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Title: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gibberish on May 06, 2010, 08:29:41 am
i posted about the dingoo a330 in the product request forum on dx. fernando (product sourcer and DX staff member) replied to say he called the dingoo team who denied that the a330 had anything to do with them and that the handheld was a knock off.

is this something to do with the split between dingoo digital and dingoo tech? have they fallen out or something? it all seems very childish.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 06, 2010, 09:36:04 am
well who do dx get their dingoos from? thought they were getting them from the guy that split away, which would explain why they got that info, but who knows, i say we make yet another forum thread of wild speculation to clutter this place up and piss people off even more  ;D
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 06, 2010, 03:19:17 pm
DX will no longer carry Dingoo-Tech products due to customer support and other issues so they won't be carrying the A330 direct from Dingoo Tech.

If they do decided to carry it I would guess they will be buying it from a wholesale warehouse as Dingoo Tech won't sell direct to them. So if they continue to sale A320 I would assume they will be buying them from the resurfaced Shenzen Dingoo-Digital that has been gone for 9 months only to resurface back in March 2010. When they started to try to spread the rumor the HK was a fake or did not exist etc etc.

Pretty much all this is another rehash with a different title is Dingoo-Tech the real Dingoo I have chimed in OMGMOD has chimed in and other forums and resellers have chimed in and all agree Dingoo-Tech is the real mccoy.

Also the actual Dingoo-Team work at Dingoo-Tech as they left Shenzen Dingoo Digital to form Dingoo-Tech... Only person from original team I know of for sure is Jim Zheng the rest are new employees and maybe a couple non-essential personnel from original team.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: SiENcE on May 06, 2010, 03:36:05 pm
Gemei Tech Website have a Link to Dingoo Tech.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 06, 2010, 03:47:00 pm
GemeiTech is not affiliated with Dingoo-Tech I brought up the matter to Dingoo-Tech and they weren't happy their logo was even on the website in the least.

So to clarify GemeiTech and Dingoo Tech don't work hand in hand nor do they have a partnership of any sort and anything mentioned that they are is point blank a lie and speculation. Not calling anyone here a liar to clairfy what I'm stating I'm saying if GemeiTech came forward and claimed it, it is a lie.

At one point Dingoo-Tech was affilated with them and they assisted with the design of the A320 but when the split happen in September 2009 with most of the people leaving Shenzen Dingoo Digital to form Dingoo-Tech that affliation died with the split.

The A330 is soley designed and manufactured and supported by Dingoo-Tech only and will remain that way...
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: eule on May 06, 2010, 06:54:33 pm
I think that the companies split was actually a good thing, imagine weīd have gotten the nice looking, but totally undocumented gemei a330 (HD7200) as the next Dingoo. Try to find something about itīs cpu, the chinachip cc1600...  Good luck ;D
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 06, 2010, 07:22:59 pm
Be a official or not(they weren't the first one to produce dingoos, sooooo.....), dingoo tech has not a big quality assurance as the original dingoo shenzhen has.

The various and various HK problems, cheap batterys and other hardware problems, using other company name, ect.
In other words, dingoo-tech is the type of chinese company who give the bad reputation to the chinese companys.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 06, 2010, 07:58:57 pm
DDragoons do you live in China have you visited China do you really know what went down. Do you know for sure Shenzen Dingoo Digital didn't release the HK models also and it was theirs that were bad as the pics they show of the really small battery etc.

I've never ever seen one before Shenzen Dingoo Digital posted the pics and called them fake and tried to bad mouth Dingoo-Tech nine months after the fact.  To be honest in my whole time as a reseller I have only sold 6 of them that I know of by accident which in turn I do QA on everyone before I ship them now and replaced the ones with HK in serial that I know of.

You have no real idea why the company split and why the majority of employees moved to Dingoo-Tech I have alot more information then you on the matter as for one I have visited China and seen it when it was Shenzen Dingoo Digital and now Dingoo Tech.

Trust me when I say this to compare Shenzen Dingoo Digital as better then Dingoo-Tech is apples and oranges there both fruit they both taste good they just come from a different tree.

You can choose to believe what you want and how you want but until you have the full unabridge story don't judge least you be judged yourself. You have no idea why they split up and will never know why it happened just know it happened and deal with that fact.

Your pretty judgemental and Opinionated about alot of things on this forum and seem to think your a subject matter expert on almost every topic you post on and act as if your better then most people here.

Word of advice before you make statements make sure you can back the statements you are making about the A330 or Shenzen Dingoo Digital or Dingoo-Tech. Because if you can't back the information all your doing is wasting space on this forum as you like to repeat your self ten times on each subject or thread your in.

Let it go breath in breath out breath in breath out take a chill pill and just be happy your alive damn dude no reason to be so serious all the time and so judgemental.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 06, 2010, 08:39:13 pm
Your pretty judgemental and Opinionated about alot of things on this forum and seem to think your a subject matter expert on almost every topic you post on and act as if your better then most people here.

^^ that right there ^^

Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on May 06, 2010, 09:08:22 pm
Your pretty judgemental and Opinionated about alot of things on this forum and seem to think your a subject matter expert on almost every topic you post on and act as if your better then most people here.

It's funny, because he (ddragoonss) accused me of acting that way for little reason, and here he is making a lifestyle out of it. All the time with this guy. Pretentious and obnoxious.

But we all act that way, sometimes. :)
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: omgmog on May 06, 2010, 10:03:16 pm
If we could get back on topic that would be good.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gibberish on May 06, 2010, 10:36:25 pm
so, you'll notice that the a330 has different logo (it's not the paw).
literally speaking, the dingoo a330 is not a sanctioned dingoo product because it is not made by dingoo digital team, it is made by former members who left and took important schematics and hardware details with them and formed a "rival" company known as dingoo tech.

so literally speaking the a330 is a fake, but it is 100% compatible because they had inside info on the hardware in the a320. what a fucking mess!

on a side note, the photos of the back of the a330 casing look very poor. the plastic is shiny and cheap looking, a lot worse quality than the matte plastic of the a320. of course that's just from some photos i've seen.

(http://www.atrtoys.com/toys/sn/112/04.jpg)
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 06, 2010, 11:06:46 pm
Actually the team that developed the A320 are within Dingoo-Tech now so ya can't really call it fake as the people who came up with the design and the software work for Dingoo-Tech.

As I said I can't and won't devulge the whole story. But to put it in a nut shell Shenzen Dingoo Digital retains the rights to it's name Shenzen Dingoo Digital and the website it host plus what ever ownership it had to use the source code and hardware.

All it boils down too is they both have the same tech but one company that being Dingoo-Tech has the know how to produce another model in a timely manner with new features as there team designed and made the A320.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gibberish on May 06, 2010, 11:09:33 pm
is that why it uses the same processor, because dingoo tech dont have the source code for the firmware?
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 06, 2010, 11:11:24 pm
is that why it uses the same processor

there's no proof of that, so don't speculate
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on May 06, 2010, 11:19:21 pm
I'll take D-D-USA's word over your little baseless speculations. He's been in the business awhile, and you're just some random guy. Don't start spreading BS around with nothing to back it up. Grr.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 06, 2010, 11:35:23 pm
Word of advice before you make statements make sure you can back the statements you are making about the A330 or Shenzen Dingoo Digital or Dingoo-Tech. Because if you can't back the information all your doing is wasting space on this forum as you like to repeat your self ten times on each subject or thread your in.

Why you don't do it too??

Everytime you tell the same big fairy tale about "teh evil company against teh good company", but you too don't give any kind of proofs or any reasonable theory or any logic view about the facts, all you just do say is "It's all the truth because I said and I'm pro."

So don't attack me cause I don't want believe in your fairy tale, cause YOU have a monetary concern in this all, and this make you a impartial and untrustful person to me.
I and others "commoners" are just theorizing about the (few) facts we have, I don't need, neither earn nothing with it, but still we are free to think and express what we think.

The only one who are spreading dogmas here is you, I'm totally open to hear and think about the other opinions, facts and theorys, but your fairy tale is so much fantasious and don't correspond to the facts, in my opinion.



Lastly, if you can't prove, you are technically just spreading rumors like everyone here.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on May 07, 2010, 12:22:14 am
Everytime you tell the same big fairy tale about "teh evil company against teh good company", but you too don't give any kind of proofs or any reasonable theory or any logic view about the facts, all you just do say is "It's all the truth because I said and I'm pro."


What are you talking about? He's explained what happened like 5 times now. And it's not some "good vs evil fairytale". How is he suppose to give you proof? The way he cares about the product and his customers should be proof enough. And he has had at least some experience with all of this, unlike you.


So don't attack me cause I don't want believe in your fairy tale, cause YOU have a monetary concern in this all, and this make you a impartial and untrustful person to me.


I suppose it's possible that he's actually some backstabbing creep that doesn't care, but ALL of the evidence shows otherwise. He's been an honest merchant (who some people have taken advantage of), and is always willing to help when he can.


The only one who are spreading dogmas here is you, I'm totally open to hear and think about the other opinions, facts and theorys, but your fairy tale is so much fantasious and don't correspond to the facts, in my opinion.


That's not true at all. All you've done is think the worst of people, misunderstand Chinese business practices, assume things, and cry about how the A330 looks like a PSP.

That's my opinion. My two cents. I'm just going to trust his word. As long as I get a Dingoo that functions as it should, I don't care who made it. I'm done looking at this annoying thread.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Harteex on May 07, 2010, 12:35:33 am
DDU deals with these people, they tell him things he can't talk to the public about. I don't see how that's strange.

As DDU has said before, he's still dealing with the same people, there is no reason for him to lie about that.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 07, 2010, 02:04:35 am
1. Thats like the pot calling the kettle Black DDragoons you shoot down any theory that doesn't match your own if it's not in your realm of reality it doesn't exist.

2. Why the hell would I lie monetary gains you must be smoking some hella good crack there isn't really any profit in this business it's more like self sustaining.

I hope with the new model I will start to actually see a profit. Plus you forget the big factor if I lied I would lose customers so to tell the truth and be honest and help when and how I can as I have and will continue too is my incentive.

What get me customers and hopefully the ability to get more profits is my honesty and truthfulness and the fact unlike other resellers I have busted my ass to support the community anyway I can...

I'm sure there are alot of people from forums and IRC that would vouch for me any day of the week along with developers which I'm friends with most of them and value there friendship.






Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 07, 2010, 07:22:31 am
1. Thats like the pot calling the kettle Black DDragoons you shoot down any theory that doesn't match your own if it's not in your realm of reality it doesn't exist.

2. Why the hell would I lie monetary gains you must be smoking some hella good crack there isn't really any profit in this business it's more like self sustaining.

I hope with the new model I will start to actually see a profit. Plus you forget the big factor if I lied I would lose customers so to tell the truth and be honest and help when and how I can as I have and will continue too is my incentive.

What get me customers and hopefully the ability to get more profits is my honesty and truthfulness and the fact unlike other resellers I have busted my ass to support the community anyway I can...

I'm sure there are alot of people from forums and IRC that would vouch for me any day of the week along with developers which I'm friends with most of them and value there friendship.


So what you say is the total and absolute truth just because you have friends and because you run a non-profit organization who do charity helping the "poor orfans"...

Sorry, but I can't hold my laugh.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 07, 2010, 08:05:02 am
Sorry, but I can't hold my laugh.

then you don't understand whatsoever why we continue to help the community.  for dd-usa, and us developers, we take time out of our own private lives(jobs, family, university etc etc) in order to write programs/do whatever else.  We rarely get any kind of thanks from anyone, only when something really good happens, and never get any money for it. 

name one single thing you have done to help the community, in the slightest way, and you might have a little more credibility.  can you?
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: omgmog on May 07, 2010, 09:21:28 am
I don't think this discussion is going anywhere, so I'm closing this thread.

@ddragoonss - you're becoming a kalisiin, and I don't want to have to deal with you in that way.



edit:

I've made a new board for this kind of discussion. Re-opening the thread, be more sensitive towards others.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 07, 2010, 03:33:43 pm
I started the webstore because there was no US retailer and no real support in the United States for the Dingoo A320 at the time that being June 2009, The process all started in March 2009 after playing with a Dingoo A320 since November 2008 and falling in love with the A320.

I do what I do not for monetary gain but because I love the Dingoo A320 and now the A330 for what it can do and how it can do it. Not because I have to and not because I will make a buck but because I want too. There really isn't much money in selling the A320 most months I either break even or take a lose.

I dedicate my time and money to support a great little product evidently at one time you thought the A320 was the greatest thing since sliced bread or you wouldn't have bought one.

You don't understand the chinese people nor their market or their culture you base your assumptions on your beliefs and thinking structure from your culture and trust me your culture and chinese culture are vastly different from each other.

Most of us have a European way of thinking as we were either a colony or occupied by them for a very long time and adopted the European culture and thought process.

China is just awakening as a culture and will stumble and fall as we did when we went through the enlightning years and became what we are today. Will they ever take our thought process or culture I vary much doubt it as it's deeply rooted in who and what they are.

To ask them to change or be what you expect or want is not acceptable as they are individuals with there own thought process and culture that is thousands of years old...

So in a nutshell you can accept the truth as it's told and backed up by omgmog the forum owner here or you can choose not too the choice is yours. But I have what I have done for the community and the developers and friends I have here to back me as what I say is truthful and to the point.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gibberish on May 08, 2010, 01:20:11 am
DDU, i respect the fact that you invest time into this product because you love it, but dont get try to excuse the chinese and dont get righteous when talking about their culture and the way they do their business. lies are lies, it doesnt mattter where you are from or what moral values you support. one team or the other are telling massive porky pies, they're both as bad as each other as far as iam concerned. i want to know whether this product is an actual genuine dingoo product or if it's a cheap low blow attempt to make money off the back off the original company. as it stands, it's pretty obvious that the latter is true. i wouldnt expect you to admit it though since you have vested interests.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Harteex on May 08, 2010, 01:35:19 am
DDU, i respect the fact that you invest time into this product because you love it, but dont get try to excuse the chinese and dont get righteous when talking about their culture and the way they do their business. lies are lies, it doesnt mattter where you are from or what moral values you support. one team or the other are telling massive porky pies, they're both as bad as each other as far as iam concerned. i want to know whether this product is an actual genuine dingoo product or if it's a cheap low blow attempt to make money off the back off the original company. as it stands, it's pretty obvious that the latter is true. i wouldnt expect you to admit it though since you have vested interests.

Pretty obvious? You don't really know anything so I don't see how you see that as obvious.
Also did you completely ignore the thing about that DDU still deals with the same people?
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gibberish on May 08, 2010, 01:38:54 am
did you even read the thread? the people that supply the original pawed dingoo to dx are denying all knowledge of the a330...
id rather believe the guy who wants to sell it but wont because it aint kosher to the guy who claims it is kosher and sells it anyway.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 08, 2010, 04:45:05 am
DDU, i respect the fact that you invest time into this product because you love it, but dont get try to excuse the chinese and dont get righteous when talking about their culture and the way they do their business. lies are lies, it doesnt mattter where you are from or what moral values you support. one team or the other are telling massive porky pies, they're both as bad as each other as far as iam concerned. i want to know whether this product is an actual genuine dingoo product or if it's a cheap low blow attempt to make money off the back off the original company. as it stands, it's pretty obvious that the latter is true. i wouldnt expect you to admit it though since you have vested interests.

Pretty obvious? You don't really know anything so I don't see how you see that as obvious.
Also did you completely ignore the thing about that DDU still deals with the same people?

Deal Extreme says the same thing, and they sells dingoos so much time before DDU.


Use the logic, the original company is the one who produced the first dingoos, why it's so hard to understand?

But you rather believe in a spy fairy tale that:
-Only one "evil" employee made a company change its name/logo/site('dingoo shenzhen' to 'dingoo tech'), just because 1 employee,
-Now another random company is using the old shenzhen name/logo to create dingoos with the same identical quality as the original company,
-And the original company(now called 'dingoo tech' just because 1 employee) is now strangely creating hardware modified and poor quality dingoos.


This don't make sense to me, but if you want to believe the company using the older logo, the older name, the older site and making high-qualily dingoos is the fake one, I can't help you.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: jkd on May 08, 2010, 07:14:01 am
someone see this notice?

http://www.dingoo.cn/en_news.asp?id=27&classid=5
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: rekmk1 on May 08, 2010, 07:52:36 am
someone see this notice?

http://www.dingoo.cn/en_news.asp?id=27&classid=5

i think i will wait and see when dingoo digitals new a330 comes out for a comparison of the 2 products before i commit to buying any thing
all seems a little bit odd to me ??? :-\
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: santino on May 08, 2010, 08:16:11 am
Hehe the fakers got faked. Now we can hope for a better a330 looking like the gemei prototype? :D
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on May 08, 2010, 08:40:50 am
Ugh, why did I go and look at this thread again?!

It's making me paranoid...
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: SiENcE on May 08, 2010, 09:02:42 am
It's getting absurdly! :-D

I hope everything clears up in future and the real company survies and the fakes on is shutting down! It's no good at all for our Dingoonity Community.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on May 08, 2010, 09:28:06 am
Are you saying DDU has been selling low quality fakes the whole time? That's obviously not the case, as many people have bought from him and know better. And he says he's been dealing with the same exact people this whole time, so how could he suddenly start getting fakes from the people he's been dealing with since BEFORE the company's split up? How does that make sense?
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: 10basetom on May 08, 2010, 10:13:17 am
"Dingoo Identity" continues.... *sigh*

Just wait for the hands-on reviews, guys. I'll read ALL of the reviews before making a judgment.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: mrkingoo on May 08, 2010, 11:53:06 am
Yeah I guess we just have to wait a bit til the dust settles and the reviews and the facts are in to know whats what. I did a lot of reading before I got the A320 and I will treat the A330 the same way.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gibberish on May 08, 2010, 12:01:36 pm
scenario:

 - 50 people work for "walmart"
 - 25 of those people decide they've had enough and quit
 - they steal a bunch of trade secrets before they leave
 - they form their own company and decide to call it "walmart 2"

that is no longer walmart really is it, it's an imposter.
pretty simple tbh.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 08, 2010, 12:03:44 pm
scenario:
 - 50 people work for "walmart"
 - 25 of those people decide they've had enough and quit
 - they steal a bunch of trade secrets before they leave
 - they form their own company and decide to call it "walmart 2"
that is no longer walmart really is it, it's an imposter.
pretty simple tbh.

change 'they steal a bunch of secrets' to 'they own the rights to the domain/company name (very different to the company)'  and you have what the now dingoo-digital did.

confucios say, before you accuse others, accuse your self  ;D
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gibberish on May 08, 2010, 12:05:51 pm
if they owned the rights to the name then why did they change it to "dingoo tech"?
and why did they give up the original dingoo digital website rather than simply changing the logo.

they would have just carried the original name and site if they truly owned them.
imo they own nothing, they just jumped ship with an idea to make a quick buck.

it matters not a jot if DDU is "dealing with the same people" as he dealt with previously, because it seems that the people he is dealing with are running a fraudulent business.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: eule on May 08, 2010, 12:38:33 pm
I guess he means Dingoo Digital holds the rights to the name, and the real company migrated.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 08, 2010, 12:46:44 pm
I guess he means Dingoo Digital holds the rights to the name, and the real company migrated.
^ exactly that right there ^ don't know how anyone could interpret it in a different way...oh wait, people that are totally ignorant of other people nad cultures, forgot this was the internet
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Stephanie on May 08, 2010, 01:01:02 pm
It's not that hard to understand, I think. Through work, I 'own' the domains for several of my customers simply because they're too busy and not tech-savvy enough to register things themselves. So I register them, do the configuration etc. but I'm listed as the domain holder, not them.

I wouldn't do it of course, but it'd be easy enough for me to do whatever I wanted with the domains should I have a falling out with those clients. I could post whatever I wanted, while they had to register a new, different domain, then try and re-establish themselves with the new domain while I posted claims that they were fakers or whatever.

Yeah I know there's legal means that could be used to get the domain names transfered -- here -- but I've no idea if they can do that sort of thing in China.

Anyhow, at this point I'm wondering whether it even matters. I mean, I have two dingoos from two different sources. They are different inside and out. One has a paw print and the dingoo digital name on the back, the other doesn't. One has a blue circuit board and a "chinachip 3200" cpu, the other has a green circuit board and the cpu says "ingenics jz4740". But functionally they are identical. And quality-wise, they are the same. Neither seems shoddy or poorly-made. They both run the same firmware, they both run Dingux, they both have the same specifications (ram, flash, etc).

So what does it matter who made them, or if they were made by different companies?

Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: rekmk1 on May 08, 2010, 02:28:35 pm
we need a review of this thing badly so we can all see what it is and what id does to put an end to this cos personally i dont care what it rips off if it does indeed rip anything off i just want to know if i should buy one or wait for the dingoo digital a330 or buy a wiz or whatever i am confused now i was going to order one till i read all this thread ???
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 08, 2010, 02:50:52 pm
we need a review of this thing badly so we can all see what it is and what id does to put an end to this cos personally i dont care what it rips off if it does indeed rip anything off i just want to know if i should buy one or wait for the dingoo digital a330 or buy a wiz or whatever i am confused now i was going to order one till i read all this thread ???
buying now vs waiting for the a330, we should know in a few days, as a few people have got theirs now, and more will in the next week or so (devs etc that is). 

dingoo vs wiz is another whole argument, but it comes down to the wiz being more expensive, and having worse battery life, but does have the touchscreen etc.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: omgmog on May 08, 2010, 05:52:33 pm
I'm working on a review right now folks, patience :P

Only got the A330 yesterday, and these things take time. The developers should get theirs this week.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: 10basetom on May 08, 2010, 06:50:44 pm
I'm working on a review right now folks, patience :P

Either sh*t or fresh strawberry funnel cake is about to hit the fan. Oh yeah, can't wait...  :D
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 08, 2010, 07:23:11 pm
Either sh*t or fresh strawberry funnel cake is about to hit the fan. Oh yeah, can't wait...  :D
or the 3rd option, a fresh shit funnel cake
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: omgmog on May 08, 2010, 07:25:10 pm
As delicious as that sounds..  ::)
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 08, 2010, 07:48:34 pm
I guess he means Dingoo Digital holds the rights to the name, and the real company migrated.

If the "real company migrated", why the "false company"(shenzhen dingoo) still keeping selling the same dingoo with the same quality while the hk ones sells 450Mah batteries and products with firmware and other problems? Just coincidence?

The shenzhen dingoo still exist, they(whatever they are) are using other company name and PRODUCING THE SAME PRODUCT WITHOUT ANY LICENSING WHILE the original company still produces your original product.
If it's is not copy, cloning, steal and pirating, I don't know how to name it.


I don't want enter in a discussion if pirating, cloning and cheap-copying is wrong, but they are fake producers, or """Dingoo Technology Product" is fake dingoo maker"" as a chinglish guy said to me.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: 10basetom on May 08, 2010, 08:34:41 pm
I don't want enter in a discussion if pirating, cloning and cheap-copying is wrong, but they are fake producers, or """Dingoo Technology Product" is fake dingoo maker"" as a chinglish guy said to me.

Umm you should take the terms "fake" "real" "licensed" "copyrighted" "trademarked" "official" etc. with a BIG grain of salt if it comes out of China (and other countries where the laws are lax). These concepts are malleable at best, downright deceitful at worst.

A "real" product can might as well be fake, and vice versa. I've been to China and now live in her neighbor Vietnam, and I can tell you that you can go into a name brand electronics store in Saigon and walk out with an HP laptop that is very real outside (and the laptop chassis may be genuine HP), but with internal components that are inferior to what you get if you were to buy the same laptop from a Best Buy in the US (because it's common for name brand electronics to be gutted by greedy middlemen out to make a quick buck). You never really know what you're gonna get until you buy it and open it yourself. As Forrest Gump would say, "buying computers in Vietnam is like opening a box of chocolates." This is the reason why so many people here prefer to import their brand name electronics from a Western country where the electronics are more legit. (Side note: Just the other day a Vietnamese local showed me his Nokia mobile phone. To my eyes it looked just like a real Nokia phone, and in fact it was using a real Nokia shell. However, one look at the OS and I can tell that it was a cheap knock-off: the OS wasn't Symbian, it was an unpolished, slow, poor imitation of Symbian.)

I'm pretty sure it's the same in China. So you can Dingoo-Tech this and Dingoo-Suck that, but at the end of the day you should really ask yourself the most basic question first: does my Dingoo make me smile? It doesn't matter where it comes from, and you may not even want to know (it's like asking your newly wed wife what men she's slept with on the first day of your honeymoon).

Sorry, it's late here and I have been drinking too much cold medicine.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on May 08, 2010, 09:55:30 pm
why the "false company"(shenzhen dingoo) still keeping selling the same dingoo with the same quality
How do you know it's the same quality?

while the hk ones sells 450Mah batteries and products with firmware and other problems? Just coincidence?
Why do you keep assuming that HKs are low quality and messed up? I own an HK, and none of that is true. Besides, Dingoo Tech still sells the original non-HK Dingoo too, don't they? Isn't that what D-D-USA has been selling this whole time? So obviously they are NOT fake/defective/lesser units. The ones out today are just as good as the originals, and they are still coming from Dingoo Tech, the REAL company.

And it seems Dingoo Tech is the more competent of the two. They had the skill and resources to release two more console models besides the A320 so far.

D-D-USA claims he has been dealing with the same company he has always been dealing with since day one. If that's true, Dingoo Tech MUST be the original company, the true minds behind the A320. If you still insist that Shenzen Dingoo Digital are the real ones, you are either accusing D-D-USA of purposefully deceiving people, or are implying that he himself was somehow deceived, and is now dealing with impostures that sell bad dingoos. Is that about right?

D-D-USA, how closely do you work with the Dingoo people? Is there any possible way what-so-ever that you are now working with the "fake" ones? If it's impossible, how so?

Sigh. I'm done.

Just as long as it does what's said in the item description, I don't care who made it.

Still eagerly awaiting A330 reviews.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 08, 2010, 11:05:55 pm
I don't want enter in a discussion if pirating, cloning and cheap-copying is wrong
So you can Dingoo-Tech this and Dingoo-Suck that, but at the end of the day you should really ask yourself the most basic question first: does my Dingoo make me smile? It doesn't matter where it comes from, and you may not even want to know (it's like asking your newly wed wife what men she's slept with on the first day of your honeymoon).

As I said, the discussion if you do worry or not about pirating or doing "illegal" things(ex:use ROMs without have purchased the game) is a quite different subject.

The subject here is dingoo tech is fake, it's copying the product of other company.
I never would impose you or anyone to do cares about this, but I'm talking with the ones who do cares(as the guy who created the topic).
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 09, 2010, 04:07:45 am
Both companies still exist and still make an A320 models the point I have been trying to make all along is the guy they split from owns the domain name for dingoo888.cn and the trade mark for the paw print they used to use.

When they split from him along with all the engineers the complete sales department and most of the manufacturing group they decided instead of a battle for the trade mark and ownership of the domain was too much of a hassle so they came up with new trademark and domain.

90% to 95% of the people that worked at Shenzhen Dingoo Digital left to form Dingoo-Tech how do I know this I talk with them on the phone every day of the week and via msn also. Trust me if it was someone new I was dealing with they would chat differently on msn and sound different on the phone also.

Also think of things that have come out since the split that kind of point out the engineers and software developers are with Dingoo-Tech the firmware that fixed the Y/B button and several new languages for the A320 and was released on November 04, 2009. Way after the split which actually happened in Late September 2009.

So if Dingoo-Tech is fake and the engineers that designed the A320 weren't with them how the hell did they come up with all the fixes?

Plus the only battery that is 450mah ever seen or was shown was on the Shenzhen Dingoo-Digital website I don't think I've heard or seen anyone else with a battery like that shown on any forum.

If I was trying to steer someone away from my competition and cause trouble I would make a fake photo of an A320 with a messed up battery and than say see this is fake and we make the real thing and blah blah blah. It seems from what I can tell  Shenzhen Dingoo Digital did just that made a fake photo with a small battery to stir up crap.

Plus none of my customers have ever had any issues with there A320 since the one batch I got that was defective right around the split with Shenzhen Dingoo Digital and to be honest with the move and restructuring something like that was bound to happen. Other then the normal things that happen like WSOD when dropped hard etc.

Also why did it taken Shenzhen Dingoo-Digital 9 months to finally surface and contest anything or say that hey we are the real people and this is fake.

You don't lay around and wait nine months and let your name be soiled and not care that 4 of your major distro/resellers are no longer ordering from you. 

I would calculate I have bought 23K in Dingoos in the last nine months and I would say the same amount for all the other distros/resellers that deal with Dingoo-Tech so that’s almost 100K. How the hell do you lose that much money and not say anything for nine months.

You don't lose 100K and not say something about it or try to figure it out and there is no way I would lay around 9 months and not figure it out. Shenzhen Dingoo Digital did just that so there is more then just a little proof that the split was most of the employees that worked at Shenzhen left and formed Dingoo-Tech.

They would be a lot more concerned and shown a lot more interest in the matter if all the information they are spreading now was true and would have done it a lot sooner then 9 months after the fact.

As for saying DX has been selling the A320 longer then me you are correct by a whole whopping 5 months longer then me as I was working out the logistics to get my web store up and the funding etc.


Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 09, 2010, 06:41:27 am
As for real company fake company that really doesn't apply they both make an A320 just the people who envisioned and made the A320 split away from Shenzen Dingoo Digital and now run Dingoo-Tech.

They are the ones who can update it make firmwares that fix the issues etc and now have released a newer updated model...
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: thismeinteil on May 09, 2010, 06:43:43 am
I have a good question.  How can we be sure that ddragonss isn't a covert spy for Shenzen Dingoo Digital?  One whos only job is to further spread bad info about Dingoo Tech?  ;-)

@DDU

Yea, I think that whole waiting around for 9 months, while losing money, is very telling.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 09, 2010, 10:41:41 am
I have a good question.  How can we be sure that ddragonss isn't a covert spy for Shenzen Dingoo Digital?  One whos only job is to further spread bad info about Dingoo Tech?  ;-)

nah, his english is too good

how do we know you aren't  :o
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on May 09, 2010, 06:31:12 pm
Lol, I thought that too. About ddragoonss being the same guy spreading all the rumors the whole time. ;D

After all that has been said so far (especially with what D-D-USA's latest post clarifies) if you still think Dingoo Tech are the crappy ones, you are a paranoid fool with no common sense. Or are purposefully trying to anger and confuse people. That's my "opinion", though, I guess. :-*
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: jkd on May 10, 2010, 05:34:27 pm
I send a Email to Dingo Digital asking about The New Dingoo. The response:

The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.





Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ricsi on May 10, 2010, 06:54:35 pm
I send a Email to Dingo Digital asking about The New Dingoo. The response:
The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.

Well ... we will see.
Will be interesting to have a a320 with new PSP housing and double memory, and the new contender.

More powerfull CPU either means incompatible CPU (so you have to port and recompile the current homebrew) or dualcore JZ7455 ...

All speculation ... let's wait until both are out, and than compare.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Stephanie on May 10, 2010, 07:30:03 pm
I send a Email to Dingo Digital asking about The New Dingoo. The response:

The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.

They didn't say 'more powerful', or even 'powerfuller', just that the cpu will be powerful. My translation: we won't know a thing about the cpu till someone gets the New Dingoo and opens it up.

And they didn't say it could output 1080P or HD, only that it could play it. My translation: we won't know if the TV-out is improved at all, till someone gets the New Dingoo and tries it out.

Not trying to be overly skeptical or pessimistic, just saying that between cultural and language barriers, combined with general vagueness and secrecy, that I'll take everything with a grain of salt unless they state something specifically. I.e. 'new cpu will be jz4755' or 'will have component-output video instead of composite video'.

Cheers!
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: eule on May 10, 2010, 08:49:34 pm
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The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.
That sounds like the Gemei A330 which probably has a Chinachip CC1600, as in these PMPs. (http://www.mp4nation.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13037&sid=63c805a2cd4079ce939ae32ffabbb8f0)
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: SiENcE on May 10, 2010, 11:15:50 pm
The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.

This is utopic. Just think about it.

But 720p would be fine.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 11, 2010, 02:38:55 am
The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.
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And they didn't say it could output 1080P or HD, only that it could play it. My translation: we won't know if the TV-out is improved at all, till someone gets the New Dingoo and tries it out.

Talking about it, the native player from A320 has some kind of limit resolution that he is able to downscale?
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: jkd on May 11, 2010, 03:25:45 am
The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.

This is utopic. Just think about it.

But 720p would be fine.

But it could be a clue about the CPU power, or ... I dont know. just wait 2 months.  ;D

Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gameking66 on May 11, 2010, 06:26:13 am
It's obvious the A330 is fake, but if they have their schematics why don't they have their Firmware source? The A330 has double the RAM (and according to GBATemp a new model soon with Quadruple), and a more powerful CPU (even if only 30MHz more powerful). However, the A330's native firmware utilizes neither of that, not even the RAM. Why's that? If they have only hardware schematics they can program their Wireless remote all they want but they can't make any real changes to software. That means at this rate the native firmware will be soon defunct, and it will be up to Dingux devs to keep the A330 current.

That being said, apparently the "real" Dingoo Digital is releasing an A330 of their own, hopefully that will have new firmware.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 11, 2010, 07:25:39 am
Why's that?

because so far the 330's out in the wild are still test units, released so that people in the community can get a first look at things and to make sure it all works fine before the final release

and where did you see that the 'real'(by that i assume you mean dingoo digital not tech, which is wrong btw) is releasing a 330?

anything that comes form gbatemp should be taken with a very liberal pinch of salt, place is dodgy as hell
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 11, 2010, 07:53:06 am
Why's that?

because so far the 330's out in the wild are still test units, released so that people in the community can get a first look at things and to make sure it all works fine before the final release
This is a really weak excuse, everyone here knows the "final release" will be equal the "test units", as everyone knowed before it would use the same processor than the A320.
You acting as a blind won't will change the real world.


And what gameking66 make sense, a upgrade in firmware is a pretty obvious thing to a company who will make a ""new"" handheld.
Or they are really dumb or they haven't the firmware source.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: eule on May 11, 2010, 08:20:23 am
ĩC-OS2 is open source i think and the kernel and sources can be downloaded from Ingenics iirc. So either they canīt update the firmware or they are at it right now. That they canīt would be just stupid, they can release a new handheld but not modify the firmware? Hard to believe, ddragonss...
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ricsi on May 11, 2010, 09:25:32 am
It's obvious the A330 is fake, but if they have their schematics why don't they have their Firmware source?

Let us wait until somebody bought it, and reports about the final unit.
dingoo-digital-usa said that they are currently changing the SW.

I believe that neither is "fake" but that they will develope 2 different units.

Let's see how the unit of the "original" named company is, and than decide which is better.

At the moment it could be that the A330 will be A320 compatible.
The "original" named companies product is possibly not A320 compatible (other CPU architecture??)

All speculation at the moment.

Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 11, 2010, 10:29:03 am
You acting as a blind won't will change the real world.

Or they are really dumb or they haven't the firmware source.

and you not making any sense just makes no sense  ;D

of course they have the source, anyone can get it if they want to (it even comes with a book all about ucos-II)
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Huka on May 11, 2010, 10:54:00 am
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Actually the team that developed the A320 are within Dingoo-Tech now so ya can't really call it fake as the people who came up with the design and the software work for Dingoo-Tech.
"Team that developed the A320", but the native firmware of A330 is still using 32MB. Hmm... I don't see any problems for developers with all codes, experience and knowledge to update firmware for such little change.
So imho i agree that A330 looks more like cheap chines fake, than product of strong professional team.

ups.. I'm late with such thoughts.. :)
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 11, 2010, 07:42:41 pm
the A-330 is a sample and first production run of the A-330 so there are bound to be omitions and mistakes with a first run of a new product.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Stephanie on May 11, 2010, 08:25:40 pm
Maybe I missed something, but I see a couple comments saying that the A330's native firmware doesn't recognize the 64MB of RAM.

Is this true? Where is it confirmed?

I can't remember seeing anything in the A320 native firmware that states how much ram it has (eg. in the About screen, etc.) so how do you know the 330 is only using 32MB?

Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ricsi on May 11, 2010, 09:18:15 pm
Maybe I missed something, but I see a couple comments saying that the A330's native firmware doesn't recognize the 64MB of RAM.

We are here in the rumor mill department ;)

what we KNOW is that the A330 sample units have been shipped with A320 Firmware 1.20 and Emulator version 1.0

the emulators most propably do NOT take into account the added RAM. (they have been developed for the 32MB A320 a long time ago)

That means that currently only dingux can take advantage of the RAM (new kernel needed, as the current kernel is hardcoded to memsize=32MB)

dingoo-digital-usa claims that the FW will change on the production units.
I think that he mentioned that he is NOT aware of a potential update of the emulators.

We will see if the added RAM will be of ANY use for the final native "a330" firmware.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: hi-ban on May 12, 2010, 01:47:06 am
this endless discussion about the "real" and the "fake" made me do this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/hi-ban/dingoo-identity.jpg)
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: 10basetom on May 12, 2010, 06:50:53 am
LOL good one.... However, I think it's on on the THIRD sequel already ;)
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: rekmk1 on May 12, 2010, 05:22:24 pm
i am not buying anything till i see both dingoo techs + dingoo digitals new products i think its psp time for me
and i think there is some fingers in the pie people are missing here
think about it
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: omgmog on May 12, 2010, 06:07:26 pm
i am not buying anything till i see both dingoo techs + dingoo digitals new products i think its psp time for me
and i think there is some fingers in the pie people are missing here
think about it

Fingers in the pie? Elaborate
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: rekmk1 on May 12, 2010, 08:02:02 pm
just reading the topics new console and who would buy dingoo digital a320 with 64mb or 128mb and it all seems a bit coincidental to me that this new console pops up just a matter or months after these threads seems like someone was testing the water a little to me thats all
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 12, 2010, 08:20:30 pm
Hehehehehe he is insinuating I'm the one with fingers in the pie. Yes I went to Dingoo-Tech with the idea after I failed experimenting on my own with it.

 I even stated I would goto them about it and if they wouldn't do it I would keep experimenting on my own. They came back after a month telling me a new model was coming out which would have 64mb of ram?

How does the hell make me have fingers in the pie? I don't make anymore money then I did before which is pretty much nothing. So before you start accussing people maybe you should make sure you have the facts straight.

The only reason I even ever asked the question is because developers like Darfgarf and Alekmaul and porters like Zear had stated the 32mb barrier was limiting to what could be loaded and what could be ported. All I have ever done is try to help the community and developers to the best of my ability.

If you also noticed although I'm no longer working on a handle held console I have decided to move into a different direction with a home console and car console unit with alot more ram and power and features and I'm bouncing ideas with developers here etc.

So once again before you go off making accusations which are unfounded and no proof or merit please do your research...
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: rekmk1 on May 12, 2010, 09:07:29 pm
how long have you been trading with dingoo tech and not dingoo digital how well do you know the people who you trade with
and why dont you make any money
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 12, 2010, 09:08:59 pm
how long have you been trading with dingoo tech and not dingoo digital how well do you know the people who you trade with
and why dont you make any money
the answer to those questions are a long time, pretty well and because not everything is about money, some people do it for the community and because they enjoy it

we should introduce a new forum rule, if you slag off someone as nice as dd-usa you should get a bit fat slap
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: rekmk1 on May 12, 2010, 09:22:28 pm
we should introduce a new forum rule people who answer questions not aimed at them should get beaten to a pulp
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 12, 2010, 10:53:42 pm
I never said I didn't make money I said I don't make much. I make like 10 to 15 dollars per Dingoo A320 I sell therefore do the math webhosting and extended bandwidth costs equals less money add shipping supplies overhead equal not much money.

As for how long have a dealt with the people I've dealt with them since day one even when the split was happening I was being supplied at times alittle delayed but never stopped.

I'm not just talking the sales team. I have contacts with engineering team and the GM and CEO of Dingoo Tech.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: gibberish on May 12, 2010, 11:03:59 pm
DDU, sounds like you're in denial. just cos you've dealt with these people before, it doesnt mean theyre not the fraudulent ones. it's pretty obvious by looking at http://dingoo.cn/en_news.asp?id=27 that dingoo tech are in for a rough ride if this lawsuit takes off.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 13, 2010, 03:43:50 am
What law suit it's just words nothing more.... I'm not in denial if there was any truth to the matter why the hell would Ingenic keep supplying them chips. There is alot more to the story and as I have said many times I'm not at liberty nor will I discuss it.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 13, 2010, 05:44:11 am
What law suit it's just words nothing more....

So they will suddenly swicth the "dingoo A-320" name to "PSP games A-320" because "words, nothing more"??

And don't tell me it was a typo, cause they fixed fastly the "PSP" thing, so technically they could easily and fastly "fix" it again to "dingoo A-320", but they didn't.
Because wasn't a typo or a error, but a conscious change due a legal issue with a brand name that they aren't the owners.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: thismeinteil on May 13, 2010, 07:32:47 am
I have a good question.  How can we be sure that ddragonss isn't a covert spy for Shenzen Dingoo Digital?  One whos only job is to further spread bad info about Dingoo Tech?  ;-)

nah, his english is too good

how do we know you aren't  :o

You caught me.  And I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling darfgarf and your damn Frylock avatar.  

But seriously, why are people so adament on proving Dingoo Tech's products are fake?  After looking at many posts from DDU and reading the Dingoo Digital website, I can only come to the conclusion that Dingoo Tech is in fact the original team.  I mean, what has Dingoo Digital produced lately?  Why wait 9-10 months to denounce Dingoo Tech when they have been selling A-320's and accessories this whole time?  It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 13, 2010, 07:57:25 am
You caught me.  And I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling darfgarf and your damn Frylock avatar.  

But seriously, why are people so adament on proving Dingoo Tech's products are fake?  After looking at many posts from DDU and reading the Dingoo Digital website, I can only come to the conclusion that Dingoo Tech is in fact the original team.  I mean, what has Dingoo Digital produced lately?  Why wait 9-10 months to denounce Dingoo Tech when they have been selling A-320's and accessories this whole time?  It just doesn't make sense.
because they're ignorant little stuck up brats who don't realise how the rest of the world thinks, and assume that everywhere has strict copyright rules as that's what they got told in school?

maybe...the dingoos...are made of chocolate!
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: thismeinteil on May 13, 2010, 08:03:37 am
You caught me.  And I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling darfgarf and your damn Frylock avatar.  

But seriously, why are people so adament on proving Dingoo Tech's products are fake?  After looking at many posts from DDU and reading the Dingoo Digital website, I can only come to the conclusion that Dingoo Tech is in fact the original team.  I mean, what has Dingoo Digital produced lately?  Why wait 9-10 months to denounce Dingoo Tech when they have been selling A-320's and accessories this whole time?  It just doesn't make sense.
because they're ignorant little stuck up brats who don't realise how the rest of the world thinks, and assume that everywhere has strict copyright rules as that's what they got told in school?

maybe...the dingoos...are made of chocolate!


Well, after studying the facts once more, while pondering the information you have provided in your response, I have come to the one and only conclusion.  The Dingoos are in fact made of chocolate.  I'm glad we have sorted this out.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: darfgarf on May 13, 2010, 08:08:33 am
Well, after studying the facts once more, while pondering the information you have provided in your response, I have come to the one and only conclusion.  The Dingoos are in fact made of chocolate.  I'm glad we have sorted this out.

great, now we can get on with life, the universe and programming, now the real question is, who came up with the recipe for the dingoo-choc? and why is one food company complaining about the other, when they either don't make/make worse tasting copies of said dingoo-choc, that make childrens teeth fall out faster
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: jkd on May 16, 2010, 06:36:11 pm
remember when i send an e-mail to dingo digital asking about his new dingoo and they answer:

The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.

Today i open my email and see a new reply from [email protected] (i dont know who is).
HI  Jonas,
 
 
In fact , till now , there are only 2 salemen left dingoo team , then they asked the other team to hack A320 firmware to produce fack dingoo.
Dingoo group still have more than 200 people, none of R&D member leaveS dingoo team.
Dingoo group includes 4 companies, all of 4 companies are under one boss:

Dingoo games: http://dingoogames.cn/ ( in charge of 3D games developing )
Chinachip: http://www.chinachip.cn/ (in charge of CPU developing )
Gemei : http://www.gemeitech.com/ ( in charge of producting)
Dingoo digital : http://www.dingoo.cn/ (in charge of marketing)
 
 
 
Our new products will use more powerful CPU , CC1800 , support 720p video files , the best model will use 1 GHZ cpu.
 There are 3  new products on the way , will be released in 3 to 6 months, screen size will be 2.8 , 3.6 & 4.3 inch.
 
 
 
BR !
 
 
 
Jim

Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Harteex on May 16, 2010, 06:40:08 pm
Well Gemei seems to work with Dingoo Tech, look at the bottom left:
http://www.gemeitech.com/en/
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: thismeinteil on May 16, 2010, 09:11:13 pm
Also, isn't Dingoo Tech still being supplied with same CPU's from the same company as Dingoo Digital?

Either way, I am still curious to see what Dingoo Digital does produce.  If they actually produce anything at all, that is.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: ddragoonss on May 16, 2010, 10:15:41 pm
remember when i send an e-mail to dingo digital asking about his new dingoo and they answer:

The new dingoo type will use powerful cpu. It can play HD(1080P) film. It will come out about two month later.

Today i open my email and see a new reply from [email protected] (i dont know who is).
HI  Jonas,
 
 
In fact , till now , there are only 2 salemen left dingoo team , then they asked the other team to hack A320 firmware to produce fack dingoo.
Dingoo group still have more than 200 people, none of R&D member leaveS dingoo team.
Dingoo group includes 4 companies, all of 4 companies are under one boss:

Dingoo games: http://dingoogames.cn/ ( in charge of 3D games developing )
Chinachip: http://www.chinachip.cn/ (in charge of CPU developing )
Gemei : http://www.gemeitech.com/ ( in charge of producting)
Dingoo digital : http://www.dingoo.cn/ (in charge of marketing)
 
 
 
Our new products will use more powerful CPU , CC1800 , support 720p video files , the best model will use 1 GHZ cpu.
 There are 3  new products on the way , will be released in 3 to 6 months, screen size will be 2.8 , 3.6 & 4.3 inch.
 
 
 
BR !
 
 
 
Jim



Previously I received almost same thing, but with a really worse english.
Exactly this:

Quote
"Shenzhen Dingoo Digital Product " and "Chendu Dingoo Technology company" are all son-company of Shenzhen Chinachip group. The group owned "dingoo" trademark.
 
"Shenzhen Dingoo Digital Product "  makes hareware,such as "dingoo A320". "Chendu Dingoo Technology company" is a software company. It makes 3D game such as "7 days".
 
 "Shenzhen Dingoo Technology Product" is fake dingoo maker.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: SiENcE on May 16, 2010, 10:48:27 pm
http://serversiders.com/dingoo.hk


Domains hosted on the same IP-address as dingoo.hk (122.193.18.12)

    * Traffic rank 623894. dingoo.hk
    * Traffic rank 874732. zhangpu-ks.gov.cn
    * Traffic rank 886543. roland.net.cn


Domain:      dingoo.hk   Hong Kong
Hosting location:    Nanjing, China
Hosting provider network:    CNCGROUP China169 Backbone (AS4837)
Sites launched on 2010-04-25
Webserver:    Microsoft-IIS/6.0
URL:    http://www.dingoo.hk/
IP-address:    122.193.18.12   China
Information last updated:    2010-05-05

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http://serversiders.com/dingoo888.cn


Domains hosted on the same IP-address as dingoo888.cn (113.105.131.205)

    * Traffic rank 492059. gemeitech.com
    * Traffic rank 941894. dingoogames.cn
    * Traffic rank 948289. dingoo888.cn
    * Traffic rank 950591. ccdang.com


IP-address:    113.105.131.205   China
Hosting location:    China
Hosting provider network:    No.31,Jin-rong Street (AS4134)

Domain Name:     dingoo888.cn
Launch (first date w/ traffic):    2009-12-03 (Thursday)
Sites launched on 2009-12-03
Webserver:    Microsoft-IIS/6.0
Information last updated:    2010-05-10


This should be more clear!

Dingoo888 (dingoo.cn), GemeiTech, DingooGames and ccdang share the same IP-Adress.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 16, 2010, 11:37:14 pm
They are all in the same technology center and who knows maybe Shenzen is teaming with Gemei if so who knows what they will produce if anything...
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: SiENcE on May 17, 2010, 01:14:20 am
@DDU: ack.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: hi-ban on May 17, 2010, 10:18:31 am
Domains on IP-addresses near dingoo888.cn

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Traffic rank 950591. ccdang.com - 113.105.131.205

ONLY.

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Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: kswildside on May 17, 2010, 02:12:01 pm
I have only a couple things to say on the fish story from Dingoo-Digital if only two salesmen left how the hell did they get a factory up and running the firmware hacked and production of the A320 in one week.  Also if it was a hacked firmware how the hell did they come up with the new laguages and the Y & B button fix if they don't have the OS it would be one hell of a hack.

Then you have the fact the new A-330 has same flavor of OS and is modified differently then A320 if they didn't have source and it was all hacked that would be a very hard feat and again one hell of a serious hack.

Because when the split happen I only had one delay and that was about a week long. There is no way humanly possible you setup a manfacturuing plant and the dies to make the cases in just one week and have enough produced to supply all your resellers.

I mean you state some of the things I have said don't ring true the whole explaination from Dingoo-Digital sounds fishy and well one whooper of a tale to me.

Then there is the fact I'm still in touch with and know about a total of 15 people at Dingoo-Tech that worked Dingoo-Digital before the split so alot of holes in the story from Shenzen Dingoo Digital.

Thats said I hope there partnership with Gemei and ChinaChip work out. Gemei does sales and manufacturing of MP4 and MP5 Players and China Chip is a Development Think tank. So maybe just maybe something good will come of it.

But end of the day it will be a Gemei product with the Shenzen Dingoo Digital logo slapped on it which in my mind still makes it a Gemei product.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: mrdomino on May 17, 2010, 10:50:30 pm
But how much input did the old Dingoo Digital staff (ie the people now at Dingoo Tech) actually have into the design of the hardware and OS of the A320? Wasn't that a collaboration with Gemei too? It was even announced before release as the Gemei A320 (AFAIK), and it's internally nearly identical to the older Gemei X760, so it looks to me like it's more Gemei than Dingoo.

Things like adding languages and fixing the button bug would be fairly trivial assuming Dingoo Tech have the OS source code, but they've yet to prove themselves with any more major changes, or any new/updated emulators. Even if all the old Dingoo Digital staff are now with Dingoo Tech, that wouldn't mean a thing if all the talent is at Gemei.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: thismeinteil on May 18, 2010, 05:57:06 pm
@ DDU

Yea, those are the same questions I was asking myself.  Pretty far-fetched story.

Also, if Dingoo Digital has a partnership with Gemei, why does the Gemei site have a Dingoo Tech tab on their main page?  If Gemei and DD were in bed together, I would think they would be promoting them, not DT.
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: flatmush on May 22, 2010, 08:17:13 pm
I have only a couple things to say on the fish story from Dingoo-Digital if only two salesmen left how the hell did they get a factory up and running the firmware hacked and production of the A320 in one week.  Also if it was a hacked firmware how the hell did they come up with the new laguages and the Y & B button fix if they don't have the OS it would be one hell of a hack.
It'd be nice to see some evidence of this.

Then you have the fact the new A-330 has same flavor of OS and is modified differently then A320 if they didn't have source and it was all hacked that would be a very hard feat and again one hell of a serious hack.
The A330 contains an identical firmware that's been modified in a HXF tool as far as we're aware unless you can disprove this.

Because when the split happen I only had one delay and that was about a week long. There is no way humanly possible you setup a manfacturuing plant and the dies to make the cases in just one week and have enough produced to supply all your resellers.

I mean you state some of the things I have said don't ring true the whole explaination from Dingoo-Digital sounds fishy and well one whooper of a tale to me.

Then there is the fact I'm still in touch with and know about a total of 15 people at Dingoo-Tech that worked Dingoo-Digital before the split so alot of holes in the story from Shenzen Dingoo Digital.

Thats said I hope there partnership with Gemei and ChinaChip work out. Gemei does sales and manufacturing of MP4 and MP5 Players and China Chip is a Development Think tank. So maybe just maybe something good will come of it.

But end of the day it will be a Gemei product with the Shenzen Dingoo Digital logo slapped on it which in my mind still makes it a Gemei product.
Sounds like there are a lot of holes in both sides of the story to me, any way you can extract some more truth from your contacts?
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: forgeflow on May 31, 2010, 02:37:09 am
I have a somewhat related question. I purchased my A-320 from ThinkGeek. Does not say Dingoo on the back, (says A-320 Made in China) and no mention of any company whatsoever is made in the documentation. However, there is a Dingoo logo (sort of a shiney 3d-rendered version of the logo) at startup, and it says "Dingoo Digital". So, is this a "real" dingoo (as real as something from China can be) or is this an identical knockoff. Just curious.

Mine's quite new and I'm waiting on the arrival of a miniSD card (had to buy on online as there are NONE in the shops here) to install Dingux and try the better emulators (the built in ones leave a bit to be desired).
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: eule on May 31, 2010, 12:55:31 pm
It might be a HK Dingoo, has it a serial (and does it end with HK)? How is the battery life, there was a report of a Thinkgeek Dingoo only having 1.5-2 hours battery life...

No paw on the back is no more a safe indicator for DingooDigital or DingooTech (or whoever else makes them) Dingoos, i think DD makes them without paw for a few months already too. I wonder why, as itīs their trademark... ???
Title: Re: why do the original dingoo team claim that the A330 is a "knock off"?
Post by: Sypran on June 24, 2010, 06:52:22 am
Not gona lie this kinda reminds me of the Atari name when It was starting to be sold around, and now its some french company (infrogames i believe?)  and has nothing to do with the original people. Well umm I dont know what to say, I dont know who is the proper w/e of w/e. But ummm may the best dingoo win?