Author Topic: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...  (Read 23450 times)

Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2010, 04:33:27 pm »
Yes, saying "TON" was an exaggeration. But it' SOMETHING. Compared to DD's NOTHING.

Again, we just have to wait and see what DD makes next, if anything. And also what DT makes next.

To DDU, you earn money(amount of money is relative, but it's still money), so to me all your "help" is marketing/merchandising to get(directly and indirectly) more customers.

You are a cynical and miserable thing.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2010, 04:36:57 pm »
i agree wit ddragons on this one ddu is self promoting on these forums for his own gain and as for him not earning much money from sales we only have his word on that which means nothing to me. ddu is too quick to put other resellers down just to try and sway potential customers to buy off him

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2010, 04:39:07 pm »
To DDU, you earn money(amount of money is relative, but it's still money), so to me all your "help" is marketing/merchandising to get(directly and indirectly) more customers.

If that's how one judges peoples credibility then you can't believe a word anyone says.

Personally I don't know who or what to believe. Too many rumors too much speculation and confusion. DDU seems the most credible and trustworthy source of information to me, but my jury is still out until more evidence show up

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2010, 05:01:50 pm »
How do I put down other resellers I have numerous time told people if your in the UK to buy from Dingoo.CO.UK and as for Deal Extreme I just stated facts they are slow the customer support is not that great and they have not taken anytime to show a presences on the forums or assist with help in any form of patches or fixes or anything.

Just because I'm a reseller does not equal self promotion or trying to get more customers because I help someone with an issue hell I help all kinds of people on this forum and on irc #dingoonity and most are not my customers and probably never will be my customers.

I get better promotion from satisified customers leaving a review about how happy they are with the product I sent them then I would ever helping the community. So to say I'm self promoting or trying to gain customers have you lost you damn mind.

If helping equals gaining customers and making money wow I must help alot more and if it equals promotion for free damn I must be rich ohhh ya I forgot oppps I still have a day job to pay my bills my imagination ran away for a second and I was thinking like you weeee glad I came to my senses and back to reality.


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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2010, 06:29:28 pm »
Try to keep the posts on topic. This thread is about Dingoo Digital being butthurt. Any further posts about the legitimacy of DDUs intentions, will result in a permenant ban.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2010, 10:22:35 pm »
Just a small hint, i think DDU should not write that much about his business in this forum. It's not good at all. For him and for this forum.

Let people rumor...they rumor the whole day. And the days are long.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2010, 12:20:08 am »
Has I previewed, now we can't tell anything about 1 reseller(amongst thousands in e-bay and the rest of internet)  because he is a mercyful god who don't resell things for money, even thousand other resellers doing the same work in various other places, he just want resell too because he is a charitable god.
And as a god he can't be fooled, he know everything, the all-seeing eye itself.

Great work, OMGMOG.



You should create other sub-forum, now for worshipping, this would be good.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2010, 12:42:22 am »
You're lucky I'm in a good mood and a Batman fan.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2010, 03:27:31 am »
I have a theory.  DDU is really working for Dingoo Digital.  And through reverse psychology, is trying to get us to support Dingoo Digital in this whole debacle.  And ddragonss, through the same reverse psychology, is actually trying to promote Dingoo Tech.  That's just a theory, though.   :P

@ ddragonss

You know you seem so concerned about others providing proof of their claims that Dingoo Tech are the original developers.  They and I feel everyone has.  There's the Y/B fix firmware, the accessories, an actual upgrade to the Dingoo HW, and the absense of Dingoo Digital's objections to Dingo Tech for around 9-10 months.  So now, why don't you provide proof for your claims, that Dingoo Tech is just a knock off company, selling low-grade A-320 ripoffs.

To me it just seems you're mad that the A-330 isn't a complete overhaul, and maybe are hoping against all hopes that Dingoo Digital will come out with a more improved version of the A-330.  To me, the A-330 is more like a small upgrade, kinda like the different versions of the PSP.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2010, 04:52:51 am »
"Y/B fix firmware"
Fixed by shenzhen dingoo digital,  acessible in the dingoo888.cn site and inside the new-dingoos from there.

"the accessories"
What acessories?  Replacement screen made by shenzhen? Third-party baterries and screens?

"the absense of Dingoo Digital's objections to Dingo Tech for around 9-10 months."
You have no proofs of this, dingoo digital never said dingoo tech is a official company.

A example:
How much iphone clones there has? Thousands.
You think apple or other company(ex: the nintendo and the A360 from the dingoo tech, who do 1 copy, can do two) has enougth time to keep doing "public objections" to someone of theses fakes?
But if you ask if a Hiphone is a fake, they will tell, "it's a fake".


Back to the topic:
If the company see various persons are buying a fake-sucessor thinking they are original(cause the almost same name and other common cheap-cloning selling techniques), a company CAN warn your customers that they aren't official sucessors, as this company can make legal measures in the time he think it's needed(what chinachip is doing, or DT wouldn't had removed almost all "dingoo" trademark from your site so suddenly).

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About my "proofs", follow the steps:

-Shenzhen dingoo digital was the first developers, the original producer and creator from the dingoo.
-Shenzhen dingoo digital is still producing dingoos, and didn't stopped since the first day.
-Shenzhen dingoo digital say the "dingoos" of a NEWER company are fake ones.

The original company is who has all rigths about your creation, so if they tell other company are creating fakes, other company are creating fakes, to the creator and original developers must go all the confidence.

It's clear to you or should I draw a picture?



PS: Before "someone" repeat again the same ""wonderful magic fairy story about Oompa-loompas swicthing to other magical and happy company"", even if this tale is true(what I don't believe) the other "evil company" who created the dingoos is still working, So It's still cheap-coping, illegal cloning and a really unfair way to earn money on a product/name/brand from another company.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 04:55:53 am by ddragoonss »

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2010, 06:55:01 am »
"Y/B fix firmware"
Fixed by shenzhen dingoo digital,  acessible in the dingoo888.cn site and inside the new-dingoos from there.

"the accessories"
What acessories?  Replacement screen made by shenzhen? Third-party baterries and screens?

"the absense of Dingoo Digital's objections to Dingo Tech for around 9-10 months."
You have no proofs of this, dingoo digital never said dingoo tech is a official company.

A example:
How much iphone clones there has? Thousands.
You think apple or other company(ex: the nintendo and the A360 from the dingoo tech, who do 1 copy, can do two) has enougth time to keep doing "public objections" to someone of theses fakes?
But if you ask if a Hiphone is a fake, they will tell, "it's a fake".


Back to the topic:
If the company see various persons are buying a fake-sucessor thinking they are original(cause the almost same name and other common cheap-cloning selling techniques), a company CAN warn your customers that they aren't official sucessors, as this company can make legal measures in the time he think it's needed(what chinachip is doing, or DT wouldn't had removed almost all "dingoo" trademark from your site so suddenly).

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About my "proofs", follow the steps:

-Shenzhen dingoo digital was the first developers, the original producer and creator from the dingoo.
-Shenzhen dingoo digital is still producing dingoos, and didn't stopped since the first day.
-Shenzhen dingoo digital say the "dingoos" of a NEWER company are fake ones.

The original company is who has all rigths about your creation, so if they tell other company are creating fakes, other company are creating fakes, to the creator and original developers must go all the confidence.

It's clear to you or should I draw a picture?



PS: Before "someone" repeat again the same ""wonderful magic fairy story about Oompa-loompas swicthing to other magical and happy company"", even if this tale is true(what I don't believe) the other "evil company" who created the dingoos is still working, So It's still cheap-coping, illegal cloning and a really unfair way to earn money on a product/name/brand from another company.


The only FW I can find that I would guess corresponds with the Y/B fix FW 1.2 is FW1.22.  And according to their site it was posted on 1/28/2010.  However, DDU was able to give us FW1.2 on 11/04/2009.  Considering DDU has such good contacts that he could get the firmware to us that much earlier, I'm more prone to believe him.  And, if anyone has replacement screens, I highly doubt they are manufactured by either Dingoo Digital or Dingoo Tech, but instead by a seperate lcd screen manufacturer.  Do you have proof that Dingoo Digital actually makes those in their factory?  Besides, I was mostly speaking of the silicone glove and carrying pouch.  There is definite proof of Dingoo Digital not objecting to Dingoo Tech over their production of A-320's and accessories, since this drama only started recently.  But for about 9 months prior there was no outcry from Dingoo Digital at all.

Also, your analogy of iphone and Nintendo is apples to oranges.  These are huge multi-billion dollar companies.  They don't have the time, nor wish to waste the resources, fighting a small company from China that may be lucky to sell a few thousand units.  However, both Dingoo Digital and Dingoo Tech are small companies that rely on the A-320 to keep them running.  And if what you believe is true, Dingoo Digital is very foolish, as Dingoo Tech would have been taking business from them for months (not only on accessories, but the A-320 itself), and yet they did nothing to stop it.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2010, 07:08:40 am »
do you know what?

I don't care.

As long as my dingoo a320 does what it is expected to do (and it does), i don't care who the manufacturer is.

If both of you enjoy being involved in a flame war and getting banned, then good for you. But i have more interest in knowing what the dingoo-tech-a330 is capable to do, and what the future dingoo-digital-a330 will be capable to do.

This goes for everyone involved in this war.

Peace.

Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2010, 12:31:14 pm »
Why are people still talking about this? What good will it do? All we can do is wait and see what comes next for both companies.

Trying to explain anything to ddragoonss is a lost cause. You realize this, right? Just let it go. Let him drown in his shame and stupidity alone, unaware. It's actually very sad.

This Rumor Mill forum is dead to me.

Have fun being stupid, guys.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2010, 03:46:00 pm »
That "Great one new upgrade" is really useful? Before aswersing it, remember, that "new RAM improvement" is literally useless, just a piece of chip in the PCB who can't even be used in actual native OS, neither in actual dingux.
And a portable controller in a portable device(yo dawg) is not the best piece of "upgrade" I can imagine, and it CANT be used to make a 2 controller thing/multi-player between dingoos because it's just soldered in the controller circuit.
And the great PSP rip-off design(a.k.a PSP games A330).

SO why a company who CREATED a good handheld, would want to do such dubious "great improvements" in your master-piece?

PLEASE ... all calm down.

fact is there are 2 companies now, which are in a battle. (let the court decide about the allegations)
both seem to manufacture a device called a320.
One of them additionally manufactures a device called a330.

Nobody says EITHER of them is a masterpiece.
Hey ... they are ~100$ cheap personal media players like many more exist!
(and neither company cared enought to rectify for example the genesis emulator screen tearing!!)

I have not seen anybody speaking about a "Great one new upgrade".
The dingoo tech A330 is a small evolution.
It has better shouldberuttons, a better LCD, the possibility to use a wireless controller (which is handy if you use your dingoo with a TV).

These are things that the A320 manufactured by both companies cannot do.
In my eyes also the new case looks slightly better (also I like both cases ...). Some say that it is a PSP knockoff. Yes ... it heavily borrowed from PSP. And that in itself is not bad (I think) because sony has spent quit some effort to develope a convenient shape.
It WOULD be bad, if there was the chance that you could mix up a dingoo tech a330 with a real Playstation Protable. But this is impossible, because the dingoo tech a330 is MUCH smaller (I just took out my PSP and compared to my A320!).

regarding the usefulness of the added 32MB of RAM.
Is it usefull - yes (there is a dingux port on the way which will easily utilize it). Also the native FW can potentially use it. (at the moment it does NOT do so)

So this leads me to this:
We are no lawyers, and I personally also am not interested in THAT stuff.
I am a geek, and I like those gadgets. I want to explore them, and look at what we can do with them!

So there is the A320 a nice little gadget!

Now one company released another nice gadget.
In my point of view it has no obvious drawbacks when compared to the A320. (some say the need to patch with HK patcher - well all new homebrew is compatible. some say the case - well THAT is a matter of taste)

Is the dingoo tech A330 a BIIIIIIIIG monumental improvement?? certrainly not.
Well is it evil? certainly not.
Could it have been made better? yes certainly (and than would also be more expensive)

But that is not the point.
The point is that it is there.

Dingoo digital also claims that it will launch a new handheld in the next 2 months.
What do I say to that: GREAT - please do so.

I will look at the tech specifications and reviews, and than decide which is the better value for me.

If I were forced to buy a new dingoo at the moment (say mine died, and I would want a new one) I would buy a A330.
It has SOME LIMITED advantages, and only a small drawback (some ancient homebrew needs to be patched).
For me the case (as of today) is clear, that for me the a330 is the better handheld whne compared to dingoo digital A320 or dingoo tech A320.

If dingoo tech releases another revolutionary new handheld in 2 months, this could change.
(until now they have NOT undermined their words .... dingoo tech did deliver ...)

Simply calm down, lean back, and wait what is coming.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2010, 04:05:25 pm »
How much iphone clones there has? Thousands.
You think apple or other company(ex: the nintendo and the A360 from the dingoo tech, who do 1 copy, can do two) has enougth time to keep doing "public objections" to someone of theses fakes?
But if you ask if a Hiphone is a fake, they will tell, "it's a fake".

I do not really see the necessity to create such uproar:

This is not our aim to decide. This is what courts are for.
dingoo digital claims that it will sue dingoo technology.
That's their good right! If the judge agrees than there will be a penalty for dingoo tech (which could range even to a close down of the company, and destruction of all of the unsold a330 stock).

If on the other side dingoo digital is just blowing hot air, than they will not sue, because they know they will not win.

In neither case is there action needed by US here at dingoonity!
At the moment we have 2 sources for A320 and one source for a slightly enhances A320 (callled the dingoo tech A330).

In the future we will either have 2 enhanced A320s (dingoo digital did not win, and is producing its own enhanced version), or it stays as it is (dingoo digital is not capable or willing to produce an enhanced version), or a chinese court stops dingoo tech from selling further products.

Lean back, take some popcorn, and enjoy!



regarding your example - it is a bad one.
Both DO take actions. (they try it as discreetly as possible - so that they do not harm their image!)
They do EVERYTHING they can to take them out.
China is a very hard ground. Many companies (like supercard, R4, dingoo digital, dingoo technology) make money by profiting of other companies work.
I know that I have some ROMs on my dingoo, where I do not even own the console to play them!!

Also those IPhone clones are NOT able to run IPhone executables (if you know one sub100$ shipped which does - please tell me - I'm interested)

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2010, 12:17:46 am »
Why are people still talking about this? What good will it do? All we can do is wait and see what comes next for both companies.

Trying to explain anything to ddragoonss is a lost cause. You realize this, right? Just let it go. Let him drown in his shame and stupidity alone, unaware. It's actually very sad.

This Rumor Mill forum is dead to me.

Have fun being stupid, guys.

Hey!  I'm not stupid.   :P

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2010, 12:42:12 am »
Quoting the 2 UMONGOUS posts from ricsi.

I read everything you said(believe it or not), and I think I got it what you wanted to say.
And I agree with EVERYthing you said, but I'm very interested what happen in the Backstages, be about dingoo or any other thing.


But I am not the zealot here, just look back in ALL the threadS, everyone discussing or talking normally and suddenly "the god"(or one of your followers) begin with the SAME BIG religious sermon about what is right or wrong, about "theh dark 10 months", "theh exilium of the enlighteneds ones" and other "serious" lessons about your dogmas, and as a dogma, this can't be disputed, doubted or from which diverged.



And about the other matter: "If pirating, to use illegal roms, faking, ect. is rigth or wrong" this is a personal, very personal thing.
BUT it's  NOT a personal and subjective matter to identify, only identify what is pirating, what is a illegal rom or what is faking.



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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2010, 12:49:39 am »
What is flaming here? Something bad is cooking up here. Lock the thread and stop this madness, not good for the forum. :P

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2010, 05:29:35 am »
@ ddragonss

You're problem is you cannot respect others' opinions.  Those who do not agree with you, you insult.  You act as if we are all following some "fake religion" or "false god" (DDU), just because we can look at the same info and intrepret it differently.  It just comes off as arrogant and insulting.  And that does not help your cause.  If anything, it hurts it.

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Re: Shenzhen Dingoo Digital is at it again...
« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2010, 06:13:33 am »
@ ddragonss

You're problem is you cannot respect others' opinions.  Those who do not agree with you, you insult.  You act as if we are all following some "fake religion" or "false god" (DDU), just because we can look at the same info and intrepret it differently.  It just comes off as arrogant and insulting.  And that does not help your cause.  If anything, it hurts it.
;D ;D ;
Hahaha, great, great.

Can you do me a favor, look the old threads and see who is the one who start the insults and personal offenses.

In this last 2 days(only in this last 2 days), I become someway  nervous because 2 or 3 people was calling me "idiot", "dumb", "jerk", and "idiot" again and again.
It's ok, I don't care so much of people calling me bad names.
But the real reason to get me mad was the great unbiased, neutral and impartial administrador(A.K.A. OMGMOG) just say to me in PM:
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Don't abuse the report system. Reporting with just "idiot" isn't helpful at all. His post was perfectly valid.

This is great, 2 guys calling consecutively bad names, and when I report, the administrador say to me to not use the report system.

Because of this, I lose my self-control and started some slighty attacks, but you to accuse me saying I am the one who insult everyone is really, really, really unfair.
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