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Title: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: golgolt on April 09, 2016, 01:18:35 pm
Hi,

It's my first topic so I apologize in advance if it's the wrong session.

I just found on the internet this device, which in my opinion, is more interesting than the GPD WIN, it will be released in two models the PGS hardcore and the PGS lite.

CPU - Intel® Atom™ x7-Z8750 Quad-Core 2.4GHZ
 
 DISPLAY - QHD IPS 2560x1440 (5.7*) (HD IPS 1280x720 (5.5*) for PGS Lite)
 
 GPU - Intel® HD Graphics 600 MHz 16 cores
 
 RAM - 8GB LPDDR3 1600 (4GB LPDDR3 1600 for PGS Lite)
 
 OS - Windows® 10 (64-Bit), Android 6.0
 
 STORAGE - 128GB SSD (64GB SSD for PGS Lite)
 
 COMMUNICATION - 802.11a/b/g/n/ac + Bluetooth® 4.0 + 3G/LTE (without 3G/LTE for PGS Lite)
 
 BATTERY - Li-Po 6120mAh battery (Li-Po 4080mAh battery for PGS Lite)
 
 ADDITIONAL - USB 3.0 Host, HDMI 2.0 Host, 3.5mm combo, Built-in 5.0 speakers (2.0 for PGS Lite), Built-in cam and webcam (8.0MP/2.0MP) (5.0MP/1.3MP for PGS Lite), Second HD IPS display (4*), Telescopic analog sticks (basic analog sticks for PGS Lite).
 
 SIZE - 164.1 x 84 x 1.8 mm (160.0 x 81 x 1.4 mm for PGS Lite)
 
 WEIGHT – 320 g. (245 g. for PGS Lite)

_there are some possible update: XL-version of the device in the model range – for those, who want 7 inches
Changing Atom X7 with Core M – this upgrade will seriously affect the price and power consumption, but will increase the performance level by 15-30%
Factory GPU acceleration - this upgrade will increase the performance level by 10-30%, but will also increase its power consumption.

_and for the price: "We are lucky, because Microsoft graciously gives free Windows 10 licenses for all devices with the diagonal less than 10 inches. Furthermore, very lavish Intel company currently actively subsidizes its Intel Atom processors. All these factors together allow us to choose a price of around 250$ (210$ for PGS Lite)."

the links:

http://www.gamedev.net/topic/677593-portable-console-for-all-pc-games-pgs/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AlGSxsjxg

official site: http://pgslab.com/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/p/BD8-MlShp2m/?taken-by=pgs.lab
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: bamboori on April 09, 2016, 03:39:03 pm
that looks MUCH better than the WIN imo.
but lets see what becomes of this.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: golgolt on April 09, 2016, 03:46:37 pm
and the PGS Hardcore will be dual boot android 6 and windows 10, shame that the GPD won't.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 10, 2016, 02:06:27 am
The GPD WIN will be dial boot, they will release a dual boot firmware after it launches.  They have said this a number of times.


I don't know, I've never heard of PGS, are they reputable?

Also, $250 for the high end specs, hmmm.   Something doesn't sound right.   Well it was posted April 2nd rather than April 1st, so maybe
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: sircrisp on April 10, 2016, 03:31:14 am
I do like the fact that it has more ram and a slightly larger screen but lack of keyboard leaves a lot to be desired. IMO a 7" screen is the perfect UMPC size, exp in an ultrawide form factor.

Their twitter is entirely in Russian but it says they're based in Detroit. Honestly it all sounds a little too good to be true but we will see.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 10, 2016, 04:12:53 am
I can't find anything about PGS Lab, so it might be a scam - but the price seems to kind of fit. The GPD Win is sold by GPD at about $270, and its main display is a touchscreen, which drives the price point up. Having a traditional non-touch screen and a lower quality touchscreen seems to sit right with me for that price point.

RAM is cheap, and so is storage. The price difference between the Z8550 and the Z8750 isn't huge, to say the least.

So it might be possible. Plus, the fact that they don't have pre-orders yet, and with scams it's literally the first thing they post, is pretty comforting. I really hope this is real. This will hopefully replace my phone, as it runs Android as well, and I can always carry a mini-keyboard to go along with it - not ideal, but at that price point and with those specs, I'm willing to be less comfortable.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: brushpicks11 on April 10, 2016, 07:20:30 am
If this is real I might have to drop my support of the win. The fact that the second screen can be used as another monitor to place a touch screen keyboard there is basically having the win with way better specs at cheaper price

I hope someone can find information on it enough to confirm it's authenticity and release date before the campaign for the win ends in order to have the time to cancel my order
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 10, 2016, 07:57:03 am
I'm leaning to calling this one BS.  I can't find anything on the company.  Their web site which is is all showy mysteriously has no ABOUT section.  There is nothing about the company at all.   Alarms raised.

Doing a search doesn't really bring anything up.  There was a Portable Game Systems which comprised a one man shop selling xbox 360's modded into a suitcase back in 2008. But that's as close as I could find.

Show Extreme Caution folks

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Natrox on April 10, 2016, 09:57:49 am
First post here, long-time lurker.

I am going to say that this is a scam. This does not seem like a real device, and here's why:

1. $250 for a device with specs matching or even slightly beating high-end smartphones on the market, how? The specs mention that the device can dual-boot between Windows and Android 6.0. That would make this device a capable smartphone replacement; more than capable even, because it's also a PC! Now I hear you saying; $250 would be able to get you these specs right? I doubt it. Just to give you an example, a Samsung Galaxy S5 costs $215.44 to manufacture alone (source: http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/interactive-apples-and-samsungs-changing-smartphone-recipes), and its price is raised because of profit margins and R&D cost reimbursement before it enters the retail environment. So how can these people sell a device with way better specs for $250? They'd lose money over it.

2. The company is very sketchy. Supposedly it's registered in Detroit, however all of the Twitter communication is in Russian. Further research, and a WHOIS of the page, tells me that the PGS website is hosted in Russia as well. Now, I am not saying all Russians registering companies in the US are by default fraudulent, but in the case of this device I will go ahead and say that it's very sketchy.

3. Here's a nice little hardware blurp from the webpage: "5-CHANNEL SOUND SYSTEM
PGS includes 5-channel sound system with 3D features. It was simply impossible for portable gaming devices of previous generations. High quality speakers will provide you with crystal-clear and expressive sound.". What irks me here is that they call this feature 'simply impossible'. Why is this possible now? Don't you think the big players like Nintendo and Sony would have developed solutions for this? Moreover, how are you going to fit all of these speakers into such a tiny device when it's already crammed full of other stuff?


So here's my verdict:

It's a well-crafted scam. Don't hype yourself up for this. They have posted about this device on many forums, probably to generate excitement. And once the pre-orders open up, you can send them your money and never see anything back for it in return.

Of course, I'd happily accept proof of the authenticity of this device; so PGS if you're reading this, I hereby challenge you to do so.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ker on April 10, 2016, 10:36:51 am
I don't know if this is real or not, but looks pretty nice. I want it.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 10, 2016, 10:51:47 am
@ker

I'd say, if you want one, then the closest you will get to one, is if you go to their site and print an image of it.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 10, 2016, 12:50:19 pm
@vcoleiro1, I don't know. If it is a scam, they've certainly put far more effort to it than usual - talking about upgrade possibilities with actual realistic repercussions, have actual device dimensions for both versions, and aren't shy about having estimated performance of known games (GPD, on the other hand, have just said it'll play certain emulators).

I think we all can agree this is better than the GPD Win. I think it's even excellent as it stands in its own right. I just don't think we've passed the "it's too good to be true" boundary.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 10, 2016, 01:04:29 pm


I think we all can agree this is better than the GPD Win. I think it's even excellent as it stands in its own right. I just don't think we've passed the "it's too good to be true" boundary.

Spec wise it's better, but with no keyboard, it's not really what I'm after, but it would be tantalising as a gaming handheld in it's own. 

Is it a scam or just wishfull thinkers who haven't thought it through. Hard to say. 

Have we passed the it's the too good to be true for that price boundary - IMO , absolutely.

There is no info on the company, there flashy site has no ABOUT section and no info on the company. The site is hosted in Russia (they also tweet in russian). They would make little to nothing on it for $250.   

The Z8750 is $37 + Shipping, The screen would be at least $60+, then there's the 8GB ram $10 or so, the 128GB storage ($35). So just those parts would be  about $150 + shipping of those parts . Then add on the LTE chip, the WiFi chip, blutooth , telescopic sticks (by the way WTF), second screen etc etc.  It would come out to close to if not more than $250, then manufacturing costs, packaging, distribution etc Not to mention R&D.

Sorry, but just no, the Alarms are going off on this one.

Hope to be wrong, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 10, 2016, 01:26:04 pm
As with everything on the internet, you first and foremost have to assume it's a scam - so the odds are it is, and you'll be correct.

But as much as it sets alarm bells with the unknown company, and the twitter language discrepancy, I think it's plausible to think it's real.
A 2K screen and even more have already appeared on mobile phones, so setting its price point at $60 is a bit extreme - especially since it isn't a touchscreen.

Anyway, yeah. With no further information, I doubt I'll preorder it just to stay on the safe side - but I believe it might not be a scam. I hope we'll see later this year and they don't just disappear.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 10, 2016, 01:33:42 pm
@Made in China

Can I ask where you saw that the screen doesn't have a touch layer?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 10, 2016, 01:45:32 pm
While it doesn't state that specifically, the post on gamedev.net only specifies touch capabilities on the secondary screen.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 10, 2016, 01:54:31 pm
While it doesn't state that specifically, the post on gamedev.net only specifies touch capabilities on the secondary screen.

Yeahh, nah, they only mention the touch for the second screen in the context of what it can be used for ie a touchpad , keyboard etc.  It's not to say that it was pointed out because the other screen doesn't have touch.

I you read the spiel, it states that with it's LTE you will be able to use it as a high end smartphone. The top screen will be touch just like on a smartphone.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on April 10, 2016, 02:20:42 pm
Doesn't said touch screen, But must be for small screen,even the second display is a touch screen or eink , you people's notice in YouTube is one replay comments from the company and another one in Russian I want to know what it says
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: chip on April 10, 2016, 03:51:41 pm
This sort of device at this price point is just barely possible, but I don't hold out much hope that a new company with no existing infrastructure could pull it off.  I certainly wouldn't risk any money on a preorder, if they even get that far.

I like the layout, but I doubt they'll execute it well.  The dpad looks to be of the dreaded 4-separate-buttons variety, and who knows if the sticks will be decent - especially the "telescoping" ones on the HC.  Just like the win and other chinese gaming handhelds, this looks like a good idea that will be ruined by terrible execution.

It's also worth noting that the lite version would likely have <3hrs worth of run time playing actual games.  Powering the x7's beefier GPU as well as 2 displays will drain the smaller battery in very short order.

But go ahead, PGS.  Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on April 10, 2016, 04:50:47 pm
Can we all say Smach Z :(

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on April 10, 2016, 05:29:13 pm
Yeah it's seriously giving a Smach Zero vibe, but with slightly less hype.

Anyway, I don't see how the top screen ISN'T a touchscreen. It has a slider design with the device looking like a smartphone when closed and it'll also be dual-booting with Android.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: redlemon on April 10, 2016, 06:01:00 pm
I doubt this will come to fruition but I do think it's exciting that win10 games consoles seem to becoming a thing that multiple companies are attempting.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: LordDavon on April 11, 2016, 06:09:04 pm
This is a scam, unless the pricing is all about the smaller, less capable unit, and the bells and whistles one will be $500.  It comes at the right time though.  Since it has been posted in the GPD-Win thread, maybe it will light a fire under their butts and get them to add clickable sticks. ;-)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 12, 2016, 12:46:08 am
So I have some feedback from PGSLAb and am waiting on more feedback. This is the comms I have had with them so far.



vcoleiro1
@PGSLab

When will you have a prototype ready?

By the way, I'd lose that gimmicky second screen, put the controls in a line above and then add a keyboard in the bottom half. There is a number of games that won't even boot unless they detect a keyboard is attached


PGSLab
@vcoleiro1 Hi. We know about keyboard detection issue in some games. To solve this problem, we wrote a simple driver that emulates a keyboard connection.
The already have prototypes. We plan to release the final examples of the device in June-Jule 2016


vcoleiro1
@PGSLab

If you already have a prototype, I think you should show it now. There is a strong opinion on the internet that this is vapour ware at best. That is what people are saying. So showing even a crude prototype now could help convince people otherwise. Also, no one can find any info on your company PGSLab, there is no About section on your site and Google searches come up dry. The only info people have found is that your site is hosted in Russia. But nothing about your company

Also, the second talking point is the price, is the plan to still make the extreme model $250. Or is that price likely to change

By the way, a keyboard would be far better than that touchscreen. Second touch screens always end up gimmicky unless like the NDS you have an eco system built around it to support it. But if your locked into that second screen, I suppose me saying this is meaningless.

Have you guys seen the Pandora (and soon to be released Pyra) and the GPD WIN?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on April 12, 2016, 01:00:41 am
So I have some feedback from PGSLAb and am waiting on more feedback. This is the comms I have had with them so far.



vcoleiro1
@PGSLab

When will you have a prototype ready?

By the way, I'd lose that gimmicky second screen, put the controls in a line above and then add a keyboard in the bottom half. There is a number of games that won't even boot unless they detect a keyboard is attached


PGSLab
@vcoleiro1 Hi. We know about keyboard detection issue in some games. To solve this problem, we wrote a simple driver that emulates a keyboard connection.
The already have prototypes. We plan to release the final examples of the device in June-Jule 2016


vcoleiro1
@PGSLab

If you already have a prototype, I think you should show it now. There is a strong opinion on the internet that this is vapour ware at best. That is what people are saying. So showing even a crude prototype now could help convince people otherwise. Also, no one can find any info on your company PGSLab, there is no About section on your site and Google searches come up dry. The only info people have found is that your site is hosted in Russia. But nothing about your company

Also, the second talking point is the price, is the plan to still make the extreme model $250. Or is that price likely to change

By the way, a keyboard would be far better than that touchscreen. Second touch screens always end up gimmicky unless like the NDS you have an eco system built around it to support it. But if your locked into that second screen, I suppose me saying this is meaningless.

Have you guys seen the Pandora (and soon to be released Pyra) and the GPD WIN?
Good Work!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 12, 2016, 01:54:25 am
Here's their reply to my last questions to them


PGSLab
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@victorcoleiro Hi. Thanks for suggestions.
We have several test prototypes, but they are far from what can be shown on the photos ("Frankenstein prototypes" - without case, second display etc). Soon we will have a prototype similar to the final render, which we show in the forums and the press.
And sure, we know about Pandora\Pyra\GPD WIN.
Pandora and Pyra are interesting devices. They certainly good fit for emulators. Unfortunately, they are not compatible with Windows games.
GPD - is pretty well-proven team of developers of gaming systems. Although GPD WIN their first device on Windows, we have no doubt in their success. But unfortunately, in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory. We wish them luck and hope that they will reconsider their choice about 8500.
Details about the PGS team, we can tell you later, because the team is still in the process of formation. But now I can say that every member of the team is a fan of portable gaming systems and a highly qualified specialist of his field. Our multilingual team has Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians and Indians. Among them, engineers, IT specialists, programmers, etc.
We very much want the community understands - we realy want to do the best thing in the portable gaming world. Quality materials, quality device. From portable gamers for portable gamers.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on April 12, 2016, 02:59:30 am
I personally don't have much issue with them going with a second screen as long as the Windows 10 keyboard is fully useable. I actually suggested that idea in one of the earlier pages of the GPD Win topics, though it really does sound like it would be an expensive thing to do.
Right now, there's a mini PC called the Voyo V3 with a Z8700, 4 GB RAM, and 128 GB internal storage that goes for around $200 on various websites at the moment. I'm sure screens would add a lot of costs, especially two screens, but if a box with similar specs can go for $200-210, then I assume what they're aiming for could be doable if they're somehow able to source their screens cheaply. Just gotta wait and see if this ends up being yet another piece of vaporware or a real, revolutionary handheld gaming experience.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 12, 2016, 03:05:58 am
@AVahne

Yes, but it's a lot more than just the additions of screens.

There's the 6000mAh batery, yes both screens , LTE chips, 2 cameras, Game controls , more ram, 5.1 sound etc etc. There a lot of additionals that tend to be the most expensive components.


If it does to fruition , I'd say they will increase the price.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on April 12, 2016, 03:21:50 am
Yeah, seems like a bit of wishful thinking on their end to have the prices for both models being so low. Guess we'll know within the next few months or so.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: brushpicks11 on April 12, 2016, 05:50:51 am
Their responses there seem to make me think I need to pull support for the GPD Win. I'll probably give it a week or so before the indiegogo campaign ends and try to get a refund. This device seems awesome especially if they can make it only $250.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on April 12, 2016, 02:23:32 pm
Good work Vic
Getting two player one keyboard and the other one with second screen, So we can choose,definitely I will wait for this one,looks perfect to me and upgradeable options is far better,crossing my fingers on this.
So Denoox doesn't said nothing yet about this device,lets see.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 12, 2016, 03:39:21 pm
If it does to fruition , I'd say they will increase the price.
The real question here is by much. I think we can all agree that the GPD Win is overpriced at $300 compared to what it offers, and the only way they can get away with that price is by it being the only device in the market.
So is this worth $300? $350? Raising the price by $50 can alter drastically the quality of both the device and its components. It might be possible they'll sell it at $250, the same price of very powerful Android phones which also have superfluous features (fingerprint scanner, extremely high quality cameras, IR, custom ROM, etc.).

I'd also like to state that they've acknowledged the existence of the Pandora, Pyra and the GPD Win but haven't made any direct comparisons to them. Again, this is supporting the hypothesis that this isn't a scam - most scams present a better device (via direct comparisons, rather than just standalone data) at the same price range.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: bamboori on April 12, 2016, 06:50:48 pm
as a multi screen user, i do quite like the idea of two screens. i could do the same kind of multitasking what i am doing on my tower pc that way


edit: by the way, did you see and mention of rumble? would be great for a lot of games.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 13, 2016, 12:14:57 am

I'd also like to state that they've acknowledged the existence of the Pandora, Pyra and the GPD Win but haven't made any direct comparisons to them. Again, this is supporting the hypothesis that this isn't a scam - most scams present a better device (via direct comparisons, rather than just standalone data) at the same price range.

Well they did make this interesting comparison with the GPD WIN

"Although GPD WIN their first device on Windows, we have no doubt in their success. But unfortunately, in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory. We wish them luck and hope that they will reconsider their choice about 8500."
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on April 13, 2016, 12:23:58 am
When is this supposed to be released?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 13, 2016, 01:00:06 am
Well they did make this interesting comparison with the GPD WIN

"Although GPD WIN their first device on Windows, we have no doubt in their success. But unfortunately, in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory. We wish them luck and hope that they will reconsider their choice about 8500."
True, but it was only because you asked specifically about those devices. They don't show this in any marketing material, which was my original intention.

Also, Intel's high-end chips tend to be miles ahead of their mid-end chips (which are closer to the lower end). While I don't have specific data because the -trail CPUs are foreign to me, it hits all the right notes.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 13, 2016, 04:48:05 am
I thought their comment was more about the difference dual channel memory makes.  Actually , I was hoping someone who knew more on the topic would comment on their claim about it
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 13, 2016, 10:26:04 am
Dual channel memory dictates memory access rates. If you're running an algorithm that takes 50 KBs of storage (for example), the dual-channel RAM won't make a difference - but as most current day applications (such as games, or internet browsing) are memory intensive, the faster you can get access to all the data the better you are.

But I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to the fact that i3 (low end) generally only has Hyper Threading, meaning it can run 2 threads on the same core simultaneously. i5 only has Turbo Boost, which is a sort of temporary OC. i7 has both, and can therefore utilize the faster RAM access far better than other processors in the series.

I don't know how much of it applies to the Atom chipset, but assuming it's the same their data doesn't raise any conflicts.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ARKX on April 13, 2016, 11:23:17 am
In their youtube channel, they said:
We going to release at 2016Q4. 230-260$ (Lite-Hardcore)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 13, 2016, 11:35:47 am
If everyone holds true, the later half of this year is going to be very busy.

ie the GPD WIN, Pyra and PGS all would come out very close to each other.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: chip on April 13, 2016, 01:48:49 pm
in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory.
Also, Intel's high-end chips tend to be miles ahead of their mid-end chips (which are closer to the lower end). While I don't have specific data because the -trail CPUs are foreign to me, it hits all the right notes.

They're not wrong about dual-channel memory providing a noticeable speed increase, but they are forgetting that the win will use a dual channel configuration - at least according to their KS campaign.

The CPU cores in the X7 are more or less identical (http://ark.intel.com/compare/85474,85475) to the X5, but run at a slightly higher speed.  The real improvement in the X7 series is the GPU.  Again, the cores are identical, but the X7 gets 16 EUs compared to 12 EUs in the X5.

There isn't an enormous difference between the X5 and X7.  You might see a 10% FPS bump on some games.  Then again, you might see a net decrease in FPS when using both screens, as the PGS has to drive two displays while the win only needs to drive one.  You won't be able to play anything even remotely recent at the native QHD resolution on the hardcore.  720p is pretty much the max that any cherry trail chip will game at.  Honestly, that panel is a mistake.  It's more power hungry, and between the small size of the screen and the limitations of the SoC, you'll never be able to take advantage of it.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 13, 2016, 01:55:14 pm
That was going to be my next question, ie does the GPD WIN actually have single or is dual channel memory. 

So yeah, it seems they got that wrong also, Chip is right, the Indiegogo campaign does say dual channel
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 13, 2016, 03:12:47 pm
hi Guys!

i did not realize on this thread.

for people who wants info in spanish, can check here:
http://manguiro.blogspot.com/2016/04/anuncio-pgs-portable-game-system-daulos.html

i gather some extra info:

Current version, there is no GUIDE button.
- The device is XInput enabled (only). the team will check on how to implement a way to swap between XInput and DInput
- L3 and R3 are on the bottom border, near to L1/L2 and R1/R2 buttons
- The second screen is a standard output, and windows will use as standard output. There is possible to use within a on screen keyboard/touchpad, but depends on the games you launch if this is supported or not (take note that many games will minimize or freeze when lost the focus on windows desktop environment)
- The second display correspond to the second output from the SoC. When you plug an external display through HDMI port, the second display will turn off, because video signal will pass through HDMI port.
- The device include a 3G/LTE module, then in Android you will be able to use as fully funcitional smartphone. In windows, there is no software dedicated to this tasks (yet), then the manufacturer will provide tools for basic support for calling and SMS. If you plan to use the device as smartphone, better choice is Android for this.
- Currently the team is working on few prototypes, but they are not in condition for present to public (basically, there are many components and wires, a very "frankenstein" version that is not a good way to introduce the device right now)
- Soon will get a functional prototype similar to the renders. When they get this, will announce on forums, webs and press.

I'll try to get more info about the device.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 13, 2016, 03:58:24 pm
about the Z8500-8550

as i understand, this SoC is dual-Channel memory
http://ark.intel.com/products/85474/Intel-Atom-x5-Z8500-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-2_24-GHz

Z8300 is single channel...
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: chip on April 13, 2016, 04:10:26 pm
Yes, both the X5 and X7 series SoCs support dual channel memory, while the X3 series only supports single channel.  However, just because a chip supports dual channel, doesn't mean a device necessarily uses both channels.  It is entirely possible to create a device with an X5 or X7 chip that accesses all its memory across a single channel, though that would be pretty dumb.

Luckily, both GPD and PGS plan to use dual channel configurations in their devices.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 14, 2016, 01:06:41 am
If everyone holds true, the later half of this year is going to be very busy.

ie the GPD WIN, Pyra and PGS all would come out very close to each other.
Doubtful final hardware will ship to customers by year's end from two in this grouping.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 14, 2016, 03:47:45 pm
A modest tempering of the PGS Pro's design:
http://i.imgur.com/P4Kx2OL.png
(http://i.imgur.com/P4Kx2OL.png)

Here the Dpad and XYAB buttons are slightly more inward to make them more comfortable to press(although this is subjective and perhaps unnecessary to do).

I wouldn't be opposed to having Select, Guide, Start all in a row above center but my thoughts are to reserve this area for cooling if need be. Also, the e-ink screen and telescoping analogs were retired since I believe only a small portion of customers would miss their costliness. Intent is to make the gaming controls a priority.

Subsequently(and my preference), here's the presented layout with Select, Guide, and Start in the upper middle: 
http://i.imgur.com/FzROeJg.png
(http://i.imgur.com/FzROeJg.png.) 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 14, 2016, 08:33:17 pm
you did removed the second display?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ARKX on April 14, 2016, 10:04:06 pm
I have several doubts about it. Did anyone look at slide mechanism in youtube video? It is unnatural. It seems as if the primary screen could only be lifted up and down changing its angle as if it cannot slide onto secondary screen
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 14, 2016, 10:05:42 pm
you did removed the second display?
Yes. It's more of a gimmick in my opinion that only a handful of people would bother with, but having a secondary screen means everybody pays for it. I feel the same for telescoping joysticks which look good in the video but seem utterly wasteful in component costs. I'd rather they tighten up on substance rather than flash. Those joysticks in the renderings are too low as well for most users which is why I moved them.

An afterthought too is that the sd slot makes sense being on the right edge, the dominant hand side, than on the left edge.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 14, 2016, 10:10:51 pm
I have several doubts about it. Did anyone look at slide mechanism in youtube video? It is unnatural. It seems as if the primary screen could only be lifted up and down changing its angle as if it cannot slide onto secondary screen
True. The video is more or less an announcement of intent by them. Still a long, long way toward the prototype stage. :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 15, 2016, 12:37:44 am
I think we have to allow some sort of keyboard input, and if they cannot or will not put a keyboard there - a touch display is good enough. I'd even rather have it be an eInk display because it would save on battery power.

Also, in my opinion raised analogs improve the experience, so I'd prefer they kept the telescopic sticks. I don't think it's that much of a gimmick if it really improves the experience and keeps the device slim.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 15, 2016, 12:44:06 am
Well , you probably saw this already, but I posted the other day in their thread  that they should use an eink keyboard.  I gave the example of the Samsung Alias 2 eink keyboard

You can see my post about it in their thread here:  http://www.eurogamer.net/forum/thread/319258?start=30#latest-post

Didn't get a reply yet though.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on April 15, 2016, 04:58:50 am
Huh, the other day I checked their Twitter and it seems they've cleared away all the random looking posts from before. Now it seems they've posted up the images they had on their Instagram. Guess it's nearing the time for the official announcement? The blog now also has a date set for Monday the 18th of this month, so I'm guessing that's official press announcement time.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 15, 2016, 12:27:07 pm
The issue with a keyboard is position. If it's in the middle between the controls, those keys won't be easy to contact whether e-ink or physical. This is a rather long slider and that 5.7" display can act the keyboard adequately, even though having one screen won't be as appealing for when the person chats and throws a grenade, an untypical practice. The only other patch for a keyboard is underneath the game controls, but this would take expanding the height which would mean limiting pocketability.

As for telescoping joysticks, the stationary ones work fine and I suspect cost less to procure and integrate. Whichever they go with, I'd prefer them not be directly under the Dpad and XYAB buttons. The QHD panel though is the bigger concern. Why bother with such a super high resolution on a small 5.7" screen tasked with gaming? Lots of power toward indiscernible pixels.     
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on April 15, 2016, 12:47:58 pm
My guess is that it's going towards extra touchscreen accuracy, and not really towards 2K display. I'd be satisfied with either a 720p or 1080 for the actual display accuracy, and it'd be pretty great if I could select single pixels accurately enough without lowering the display resolution lower than 720p.

And yeah, it's going to take a major part of the battery power. But there have been phones which have done 4K display and their battery lasted for a day, so I guess it's possible.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 15, 2016, 03:22:13 pm
and you always can turn off some of these screens...
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on April 17, 2016, 05:45:45 pm
so tomorrow the 18 is D day. lest see
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on April 17, 2016, 10:16:50 pm
Hello, dear friends.
Thank you very much for your attention to our project. We have read the above, and remembered for a number of interesting ideas, thank you.
The device is in the active stage of creation, much has been done, but much more needs to be done. We welcome your suggestions and ideas. We will try to answer all your questions. You can ask them right here.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on April 17, 2016, 10:18:14 pm
Hello, dear friends.
Thank you very much for your attention to our project. We have read the above, and remembered for a number of interesting ideas, thank you.
The device is in the active stage of creation, much has been done, but much more needs to be done. We welcome your suggestions and ideas. We will try to answer all your questions. You can ask them right here.
Will it have a USB slot? And Bluetooth?

Sent from my XD using Tapatalk
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on April 17, 2016, 10:34:19 pm
Hi, siegel17701
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Will it have a USB slot?
USB-C port with USB-host support.
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And Bluetooth?
Yes.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on April 18, 2016, 01:46:13 am
 So tomorrow will be a announcement
i will said 8 or 10 inches the XLexpro version with pen stylus,HDMI in/out, the HDMI in(for photographers and videographers) and with the all of the possibles upgrades.
what about accessories; screen protector, docking station,bag or pouche,like small vesa mount or like(stand),hardware keyboard cover.
i believe that the device is a touchscreen,and have all the components like a gamepad,why not two more button for fight emulation games.
definitely removable battery and dual OS .
Believe in the peoples in this community,they know about this matters,glad your here Welcome to this forum
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on April 18, 2016, 06:32:16 am
How about adding an Xbox/gamepad Home button?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 18, 2016, 11:38:26 am
they replied to me that for the current project, they will not consider adding this button.

but is good to see more people asking about this, because is a very important XInput button to include.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 18, 2016, 01:04:21 pm
Hello, dear friends.
Thank you very much for your attention to our project. We have read the above, and remembered for a number of interesting ideas, thank you.
The device is in the active stage of creation, much has been done, but much more needs to be done. We welcome your suggestions and ideas. We will try to answer all your questions. You can ask them right here.
Your analog sticks are too low on the face for fingers to comfortably react with the shoulder buttons.

This is a gaming slider and as such some controls must be lower on the front anyways, which means you might have to rethink the redundant secondary display(which is naturally too inward as it is for anything more than the occasional tap) if accessibility to the other controls is an essential goal.   
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: chip on April 18, 2016, 02:57:52 pm
rethink the redundant secondary display(which is naturally too inward as it is for anything more than the occasional tap)

I think you're overestimating the size of this device.  It's barely wider than my xperia Z3, and I have no issue easily hitting any part of the device holding it in landscape mode. 

I personally feel the 2nd display would (or at least, could) be very useful.  Even beyond the obvious NDS emulation and onscreen keyboard, I think the "killer app" for this device would be software that lets you create custom touchscreen buttons assigned to specific key inputs.  Ideally the buttons could be resized/positioned/skinned on a per-game basis, but even if there was just a simple grid with names, that would be quite useful.  You could create screens for WoW, LoL, diablo, etc. with all the common actions mapped to their own buttons.  Bonus points if the software monitored the processes and fired up the appropriate touchpanel when it saw the related exe running (like the logitech G13).
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 18, 2016, 03:09:45 pm
I guess it depends on how big your hands or whether you are comfortable with a stretched grip. It's dimensions are 164.1 x 84, which makes it 9mm wider than the WIN. With small hands, you wouldn't be able to reach the centre using a normal grip with the device sides in the middle of your palms

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on April 18, 2016, 03:24:37 pm
So far this seems like a better device than the GPD WIN if it ever comes together.
Better specs, cheaper and not that big a deal if it doesn't have a physical keyboard ( but I can see how one would be useful).
If I had a choice even if the were the same price I would still get this over the GPD.
Will see what comes from this.
Hey PGS makers any chance we see a Black model? White looks nice but gets dirty looking quick.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: golgolt on April 18, 2016, 03:27:30 pm
there are some news on their blog today, http://blog.pgslab.com/

"The most powerful
  Portable console

PGS is the world first portable game console designed for running almost all the PC games (including full support of game projects from Steam). The worldwide sales of a console start in the fourth quarter of 2016, at the price from 220 dollars for a base pattern.

The device operates under Windows 10, as well as Android 6 available in a Dualboot mode. A high-performance mobile Intel Atom X7 Z8750 «chip system» is the heart of a device. The console will be released in two versions, the earlier one is equipped with 8GB of RAM, 128GB of internal memory. Memory expansion is possible thanks to Micro SD Card Slot.

PGS has a form-factor of the side slider. One of the key features of the device is two high-resolution 5.5 and 4.5 displays for the main and for the auxiliary displays respectively. The accumulator with capacity of 6120mAh provides around 5 hours of operation for very demanding games. Among other features of the device there is LTE module (in the Hardcore version), 5 channel audio system (in the Hardcore version), as well as the front and rear cameras."
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on April 18, 2016, 05:11:07 pm
That's been there for DAYS now, maybe a week or longer. I honestly have no idea why they slapped an April 18th date on that. I, and it seems many others on this board, thought that that was teasing a new announcement coming today. So there really is nothing today? That's some pretty sloppy project management.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 18, 2016, 05:29:55 pm
rethink the redundant secondary display(which is naturally too inward as it is for anything more than the occasional tap)

I think you're overestimating the size of this device.  It's barely wider than my xperia Z3, and I have no issue easily hitting any part of the device holding it in landscape mode. 

I personally feel the 2nd display would (or at least, could) be very useful.  Even beyond the obvious NDS emulation and onscreen keyboard, I think the "killer app" for this device would be software that lets you create custom touchscreen buttons assigned to specific key inputs.  Ideally the buttons could be resized/positioned/skinned on a per-game basis, but even if there was just a simple grid with names, that would be quite useful.  You could create screens for WoW, LoL, diablo, etc. with all the common actions mapped to their own buttons.  Bonus points if the software monitored the processes and fired up the appropriate touchpanel when it saw the related exe running (like the logitech G13).
Would be neat but all of that should come after the general ergonomics are considered. The Z3's dimensions are 146 x 72 x 7.3mm while the PGS is supposedly 160.0 x 81 x 14mm which is a difference in person, and here it appears someone on the PGS team became enthusiastic too about custom apps, so the second screen took precedence over the game controls(looking at the designated positions of the sticks and start, select). 

For me and others, joysticks put directly down under game controls are straining when cradling a device this wide. It wouldn't of mattered so much if they were more inward and inward too but they are not because that secondary screen is in the way. Sure the sticks can be reached by anyone who enjoys tilting their wrists to use the shoulders, but this is irregular to how a normal person would hold it and off-putting. Maybe there's a smaller screen sellable to them?

I doubt they would listen though. All of these grassroots companies I've encountered initially overlook what they had set out to do always missing that something. Sometimes it takes them several attempts to get it right.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on April 19, 2016, 01:28:13 pm
Many thanks. We have taken note of the above (sticks position, second screen app, guide button, color scheme etc), we will think about it.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: barai on April 19, 2016, 01:53:15 pm
Many thanks. We have taken note of the above (sticks position, second screen app, guide button, color scheme etc), we will think about it.

Hi, would it be possible for you to do a cost breakdown for the device? Just wondering how its possible to sell at such a low price.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 19, 2016, 01:54:04 pm
@PGSLab

You guys should probably share the info you posted on the pandora forum here. I won't post that vid and info myself, as I want to respect your wishes not to share it
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 19, 2016, 02:15:05 pm
Many thanks. We have taken note of the above (sticks position, second screen app, guide button, color scheme etc), we will think about it.

then consider too on adding GUIDE button...
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on April 19, 2016, 04:38:27 pm
vcoleiro1
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You can see sample of "Frankenstein" prototype in the video that we prepared in the event of release on Kickstarter:
#Invalid YouTube Link#
(dont share, please)

barai
Unfortunately, I have no authority to do so. But I can say that this figure is close to $ 200 (retail). We have big plans about PGS and its further modifications. Reduce the price to the extent possible, we intend to collect a steady fan base to make our products more popular.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on April 19, 2016, 08:23:31 pm
It's good to see your at least listening to some suggestions, now please consider making one in a matte black finish ;)
Thanks
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: chip on April 19, 2016, 09:25:16 pm
Before anybody gets too excited, the "frankenstein prototype" from the video appears to be nothing more than a de-cased windows tablet. 

(http://i.imgur.com/BQzIBLQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2Hqg9MO.jpg)

Short of PGS showing some actual evidence of real development, this is going to have to go back into the "pipe dream or scam" category.  The price it too low to be believable, the timeframe too short, and they've provided nothing concrete to back up their claims that they can engineer or manufacture this device.  I want to believe their intentions are good, but I see nothing that would lend credence or feasibility to this project.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on April 19, 2016, 10:46:23 pm
The use of the phrase "incredible Japanese engineers" almost feels like a buzz word meant to just inspire excitement the way he says it.

EDIT: Anyway, what are the chances of the sticks both being moved to the top like the GPD XD, or at the top and moved closer in like the New 3DS's C-stick. This device isn't as rounded as the Vita, so having the sticks at the bottom would be difficult to hold steady and having asymmetrical sticks would just be pure stupidity without full size grips.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: bamboori on April 20, 2016, 07:58:14 am
am i really the only one who desperately wants rumble for the device?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 21, 2016, 08:40:09 am
am i really the only one who desperately wants rumble for the device?

considering the device have phone specs and features, most probably vibration mode is one of these features.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: LordDavon on April 21, 2016, 08:41:23 pm
I'm a little in fear of having my whole device rumble.  I hope it can be turned off.  I've dropped a controller when it rumbled, I'm not so sure I want to drop a whole device like this.  Plus, if there is anything remotely loose, it may shake it looser.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 22, 2016, 12:07:40 pm
The use of the phrase "incredible Japanese engineers" almost feels like a buzz word meant to just inspire excitement the way he says it...
Carefully crafted marketing video of mostly an attractive and diverse actor ensemble and unsynced audio dubbing with real accents at the end to boot. If they went this far for promotion, a prototype may be incoming soon(development has probably been happening longer than they've said which will add fuel to the buzz fire around the project). We'll see. 8)   
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on April 22, 2016, 08:31:19 pm
I've identified their "early prototype" as a $65 Linx EM-I8270 7 inch Tablet, which is also sold under the Emdoor brand.

It's actually written on the board itself.

(http://s31.postimg.org/l3p5t6abf/enhance.jpg)

Also, when you look at the buttons and input/outputs they are exact matches.

(http://s31.postimg.org/5t5gnzukr/BL312193.jpg)

Here is the Linx (flipped over) superimposed on the "early prototype":

(http://s31.postimg.org/luuo8j72j/trans_linx_crop.jpg)


PGSLab, can you please comment on this?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 22, 2016, 10:55:44 pm
(http://www.animated-smileys.com/emoticons/animated-smileys-eating-drinking-075.gif)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 23, 2016, 01:03:05 am
Well it's no real secret anymore that it's a tablet, that was pretty obvious from the video and was discussed on the Pandora forum.   But well done for finding the exact tablet that it was.


But as I said on the Pandora forum, they have said they really dont have anything to show.  They only showed that video under pressure to show something with the provision that it not be shared (see the pandora forum post they made).  SO i'd cut them a little slack.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on April 23, 2016, 02:15:29 am
Well if they really don't have anything to show, then great. There's nothing to see here and a lot of early opinions would be correct. The fact of the matter is that this company is making extraordinary claims and now we see they're using cheap over the counter hardware as their alleged prototype. If it's nothing to be ashamed of, then why didn't they disclose that explicitly?

If they're claiming unfair treatment because they wished that their video "not be shared" that is an absurd cop out which speaks volumes as to how this company intends to disseminate information in the future. That's just like saying "I'll share this video about our progress, so long as everyone promises to believe everything I say and don't seek out any second opinions."

They shouldn't be afraid of people bringing up information they chose not to disclose, this is a discussion thread after all, not a propaganda thread.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 23, 2016, 02:31:11 am
I think they said on the Pandora forum that they wont do anything until they have a finished product to show .    So if that is the case,   then it's just a wait and see if that does eventuate. If they actually asked for cash with nothing to show, then worry.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on April 23, 2016, 02:54:02 am
Let's not kid ourselves, they are not operating a charity, this was always intended to be a product they can charge quite a bit of money for. Everything they do (including that video) is an attempt to secure trust among their consumer base. They are trying to make a presence on public forums to drum up support for their product so they need to be ready and prepared for fair criticism.

I know I would never consider going to Kickstarter with what they showed in that video, but I can tell you that (at one point in time) they considered going to Kickstarter with that.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: chip on April 23, 2016, 03:21:20 am
Jesus, that tablet's not even using a cherry trail chip.  Not only is this not a "prototype" by any rational definition, it's not even arguably useful for basic testing or experimentation purposes.  The only conceivable reason to take about a cheap bay trail tablet and film someone poking at it with a soldering iron is to make it look like you're actually working on something.

I'm trying damn hard to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't think of a single plausible explanation that doesn't lead to "scam".
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 23, 2016, 04:18:41 am
Look I'm just as unconvinced this will eventuate as anyone else.  Time will tell though what they come up with if anything, my bet is still leaning towards vapourware. But we will see.

As for the video, they shouldn't have shown it.  They were pressured into showing more, and they showed that video.  I don't even think it was the final version of it.  So that's all I was saying, a little slack was in order, rather than a complete hanging.   

Though if they had of shown that video and asked for cash, then that's totally different. As it stands now, they have said they wont go to sales until they have completed it and can show it working proper.   If they stick to that, then there really isn't a concern.   But again, IMO , there is probably more chance than not, this will end up as vapourware
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on April 23, 2016, 07:10:37 pm
I hear what you're saying.

But I still believe that first impressions are lasting ones. Especially if it's awkward silence.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on April 23, 2016, 08:47:21 pm
Good evening, friends.
About "early prototype and KS video":
This movie is incomplete. It was created a long time ago, when we were still planning to go on Kickstarter. An early prototype was created almost two years ago. To create it, we used the stuff from Cube iWork 7 2\32 (not Linx). Current prototypes are assembled from more recent hardware (z8700\4gb).
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on April 24, 2016, 04:48:42 am
Are you planning going to kickstarter. what about the 7 o 8 inches model, i believe you still follow the guide lines for the price, release day and all others upgrades. Don't forget to ask for suggestion and give to us more info as much you can.Make us to believe.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on April 26, 2016, 12:30:35 pm
Have to agree a 7-8 inch model would be a great idea and yes PGSLab make us believe!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 26, 2016, 12:57:44 pm
They said they have an investor , because of that, their plan at the moment is to not do a Kickstarter or crowd funding.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 26, 2016, 01:39:13 pm
i thihnk, for this specific device a 7~8 inches screen is a bad idea.

the device will be unbalanced, and uncomfortable to use (all the weight will be on the top of the surface)
i think, 7" must be some sort of GPD-Q9 style (psvita style) with screen on the center and controls on sides.


and yes... i'm expecting to see if this device finally will be released... and when.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on April 27, 2016, 03:19:08 am
i thihnk, for this specific device a 7~8 inches screen is a bad idea.

the device will be unbalanced, and uncomfortable to use (all the weight will be on the top of the surface)
i think, 7" must be some sort of GPD-Q9 style (psvita style) with screen on the center and controls on sides.


and yes... i'm expecting to see if this device finally will be released... and when.

Essentially a thinner, more gamer friendly version of this huh?

(https://gigaom.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2009/02/windows-7-samsung-umpc.jpg)

She a beaut' ain't she?
In all seriousness though this likely looks very awkward to most people, but I absolutely love mine (picture ain't mine).
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 27, 2016, 03:30:02 am
@PGSLab


Since you plan to launch this towards the end of the year, have you considered using Intels planned Apollo lake SoC due to come out at the same time?

I understand they will use Gen 9 Graphics architecture. Which should be good
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 27, 2016, 08:21:57 am
i thihnk, for this specific device a 7~8 inches screen is a bad idea.

the device will be unbalanced, and uncomfortable to use (all the weight will be on the top of the surface)
i think, 7" must be some sort of GPD-Q9 style (psvita style) with screen on the center and controls on sides.


and yes... i'm expecting to see if this device finally will be released... and when.

Essentially a thinner, more gamer friendly version of this huh?

(https://gigaom.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2009/02/windows-7-samsung-umpc.jpg)

She a beaut' ain't she?
In all seriousness though this likely looks very awkward to most people, but I absolutely love mine (picture ain't mine).

maybe, but without keyboard. is not necessary in my opinion. only gaming controls

something like this (without keyboard)...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wCB2xMYiAwU/Vo7orBxW5mI/AAAAAAAAWwM/wB3g0g8V7E4n6gAIC3VbC5yrRa7GO0LIACCo/s800/GPD-G59_V2.3.1_Closed_1.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVxSOJLAmrQ
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on April 27, 2016, 08:58:45 am
Has it been confirmed this will be dual OS or not?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on April 27, 2016, 11:26:22 am
Has it been confirmed this will be dual OS or not?

Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk
Hi! Yes, confirmed.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on April 27, 2016, 11:28:39 am
@PGSLab


Since you plan to launch this towards the end of the year, have you considered using Intels planned Apollo lake SoC due to come out at the same time?

I understand they will use Gen 9 Graphics architecture. Which should be good
We have big plans for PGS. If we have a good sales, in the next year we will release modification with Apollo Locke.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on April 27, 2016, 12:49:49 pm
@PGSLab

Are there any specs  that you have changed after hearing peoples feedback?

If so , what spec/design changes have been made?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on April 27, 2016, 03:52:26 pm
@PGSLab

Are there any specs  that you have changed after hearing peoples feedback?

If so , what spec/design changes have been made?
Yes what do(PGS) you want to Accomplish or address ,make a list.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on April 27, 2016, 04:41:14 pm
vcoleiro1
leafar

Vibration (Hardcore)
Sticks position
eMMC instead SSD
Key illumination (with brightness control. Hardcore)
Guide button
Software for binding bottom screen zones as keys
Virtual keyboard for bottom screen which works with fullscreen games
SD instead MicroSD (Hardcore)
NanoSim instead MicroSim
Replacement battery (Hardcore)
And some others
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on April 28, 2016, 07:07:35 am
Vibration (Hardcore)-
Only if you can turn it on or off
Sticks position-
Position looks good but sticks could be flatter or have a better lip for better finger contact.
eMMC instead SSD-
SSD
Key illumination (with brightness control. Hardcore)
Again only if it can be turned on or off
Guide button-
Yes
Software for binding bottom screen zones as keys-
Yes
Virtual keyboard for bottom screen which works with fullscreen games-
Yes
SD instead MicroSD (Hardcore)-
Truthfully I'm not sure but whatever format offers better read and write speeds.
NanoSim instead MicroSim-
Personally not interested but I can see how some can find it useful.
Replacement battery (Hardcore)-
Sure
And some others

My suggestions
1) Offer a Black model, White looks great but starts looking dirty quickly, or at least give it a non-glossy exterior.
2) D-pad needs to be one piece on not 4 separate sections, like the Nintendo 3DS but maybe slightly bigger.
3) Make a bigger version with 7''-8'' screen .
Only ones I can think of now but I'm sure others will have some good ideas.
Thanks
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ker on April 28, 2016, 07:45:28 am
maybe, but without keyboard. is not necessary in my opinion. only gaming controls

99.99% of CRPG need a keyboard or some kind of extra keys/buttons

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on April 28, 2016, 10:29:54 am
vcoleiro1
leafar

Vibration (Hardcore)
Sticks position
eMMC instead SSD
Key illumination (with brightness control. Hardcore)
Guide button
Software for binding bottom screen zones as keys
Virtual keyboard for bottom screen which works with fullscreen games
SD instead MicroSD (Hardcore)
NanoSim instead MicroSim
Replacement battery (Hardcore)
And some others
Appreciate your reassessment of the sticks position. If the same had been done on the GPD XD, having a joystick immediately to the left of Start and one to the right of Back would be torturous at such a low orientation whilst triggering the shoulders. As handy as an auxiliary display may be, it shouldn't by it's incorporation usurp the principal gaming control scheme. :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Deen0X on April 28, 2016, 11:59:48 am
maybe, but without keyboard. is not necessary in my opinion. only gaming controls

99.99% of CRPG need a keyboard or some kind of extra keys/buttons

ok, but this is valid only for people that want to play these games.

this is a cycling discussion. keyboard maybe a good device accesorie, but a tiny keyboard is useless for palying, almost, playing games on the way people want to play (sing WASD for move, IJKL for looking, etc). you can't use a small keyboard on this way.

and for games that requires some sort of input codes, well, there are a plenity of devices (laptops, etc)where you can play these games. Let this to play puer gamepad supported games. For sure, will be released more and more device. hope people don´t expect that EVERY of these devices come with keyboard. is absurd. there are many kind of users and market. for now, GPD-Win will be released with a keyboard, next device maybe without keyboard. next, with keyboard, etc...

and i really doubt people want to play these games that requires commands. Maybe there are some users (a small part) that want to play these games, but most users want to play other kind of games, most of them gamepad supported games.

If you wish, open a pool on any forum related to console games (not here, because we are very specific users and don´t represent the big variety of opinions, and most users are UMPC oriented opinions) and you will realize that most users want to play their steam library (or similar) as main option, but in simple way: launch a game, and play with controls.

This is the impression i have on most forums i usually visit (and not specific gaming forums like this one). We are very specific kind of users, and we (or almost GPD) must must consider this.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ker on April 29, 2016, 12:01:55 am
maybe, but without keyboard. is not necessary in my opinion. only gaming controls

99.99% of CRPG need a keyboard or some kind of extra keys/buttons

ok, but this is valid only for people that want to play these games.

this is a cycling discussion. keyboard maybe a good device accesorie, but a tiny keyboard is useless for palying, almost, playing games on the way people want to play (sing WASD for move, IJKL for looking, etc). you can't use a small keyboard on this way.

and for games that requires some sort of input codes, well, there are a plenity of devices (laptops, etc)where you can play these games. Let this to play puer gamepad supported games. For sure, will be released more and more device. hope people don´t expect that EVERY of these devices come with keyboard. is absurd. there are many kind of users and market. for now, GPD-Win will be released with a keyboard, next device maybe without keyboard. next, with keyboard, etc...

and i really doubt people want to play these games that requires commands. Maybe there are some users (a small part) that want to play these games, but most users want to play other kind of games, most of them gamepad supported games.

If you wish, open a pool on any forum related to console games (not here, because we are very specific users and don´t represent the big variety of opinions, and most users are UMPC oriented opinions) and you will realize that most users want to play their steam library (or similar) as main option, but in simple way: launch a game, and play with controls.

This is the impression i have on most forums i usually visit (and not specific gaming forums like this one). We are very specific kind of users, and we (or almost GPD) must must consider this.

I don't care what "people" expects or if 51% wants a keyboard or not. If you have a keyboard or extra keys, you can play more games. What is the point to reduce my options? I want to play everything!!

Some people want HDMI output, others want BT, others a 7'' device... I want a f*****g virtual keyboard. Just let me dream

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on May 03, 2016, 08:05:45 pm
Hm, if the Hardcore unit will be using regular size SD cards, what are the chances of having the slot protected under a cover flap like on a Vita or DS (SD cards I mean)? It could help keep dust out of the slot when not in use and keep the card from being ejected accidentally at all times and keep the unit nice and pretty. I only bring this up because most likely people will be formatting their cards in NTFS format and will want to keep the card in at all times since this is a Windows machine.
Of course this would likely just take up precious space in the design...
Alternately, if the Hardcore version will have a removable battery, the full sized SD card slot could neatly be sitting under or next to the battery like on a smartphone.
Speaking of the Hardcore version, that shoulder button design really needs some rethinking. Vertical placement is cool and all, but with how thin those buttons are it seems it'll be impossible to really use them. If you're gonna go vertical, perhaps take a gander at how EvilDragon and his Pyra are doing it; really excellent design there.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on May 03, 2016, 10:55:44 pm
...perhaps take a gander at how EvilDragon and his Pyra are doing it; really excellent design there.
Thank you. ;)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on May 03, 2016, 11:20:03 pm
Well if it's taken them 2 years to get this far, and by this far I mean not far, then I'm not really convinced we will see anything by the end of the year.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on May 07, 2016, 01:27:42 am
Very true, vcoleiro1.

They still have a chance to impress us, but I think we all would like to see more product and less promises.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on May 07, 2016, 10:22:14 pm
PGSlab Any update.  Something else ; Window 10 mobile UI, i think this something that should think about it, remember this device have small screen. Wrist strap, and the position of the stick, searching around devices of this type had the stick on top like PS vita and even some gamapad like ipega 9023.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on May 16, 2016, 01:49:15 pm
Correction, Vita had sticks at the bottom. Vita also had rounded sides which is why it was comfortable with that stick placement. A device like this definitely needs sticks at the top.
Anyway, Windows 10 allows you to switch between desktop mode and tablet mode on the fly, so PGS doesn't need to do anything special for that. They DO need to make sure that device automatically switches to tablet mode in portrait orientation when it is closed and turns to desktop mode when it is opened (I believe you can say Windows 10 to STAY in tablet mode or desktop mode no matter what if you really wanted it to).
But basically, NO WINDOWS MOBILE. That would pretty much destroy the whole point of this device.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: golgolt on May 17, 2016, 09:52:04 am
it's seem they'll prepare something for E3, on their Instagram they said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFbeHLMhp2-/?taken-by=pgs.lab

pgs.labPreorders - Coming Soon #pgs #pgslab #psp #psvita #3ds

ruszekWhen you will show real prototypes?
[email protected] We are preparing for E3 2016
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on May 17, 2016, 11:05:13 am
E3 is in 4 weeks time.  Somehow I'm skeptical they will have a prototype by then
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on May 17, 2016, 05:29:16 pm
Why do I feel this will be yet another Smach Zero situation where they'll appear at trade shows but ONLY have pamphlets and posters?
At least these guys said they've been working on a prototype for at least 2 years so there's a TINY chance they'll actually have something to show, but seriously they NEED to have a prototype soon or they'll just go the way of the Smach.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Mode7Dolphin on May 19, 2016, 10:21:33 am
Why do I feel this will be yet another Smach Zero situation where they'll appear at trade shows but ONLY have pamphlets and posters?
The fact PGSLab is working with investors rather doing a KickStarter makes me have a wee bit faith that this isn't a scam.

There's some new info on the PGS here (scroll to the bottom) -- http://fraghero.com/new-handheld-game-console-capable-running-pc-games/ (http://fraghero.com/new-handheld-game-console-capable-running-pc-games/)--
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on May 19, 2016, 03:21:22 pm
The new things they're saying sound nice, such as working with Intel to up the GPU clock, but until we get concrete proof of this thing's existence AND that they can indeed sell them for that insanely low price, I have to be skeptical. Immensely hopeful, but skeptical.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on May 19, 2016, 08:54:41 pm
They're so quiet. They must be working hard or hardly working.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on May 24, 2016, 11:24:06 am
From their site:

Quote
Even though its thickness is 1.6 cm only and you can even put it in your pocket, our PGS is the most powerful console among all known ultraportable PC-compatible devices.The heart of this device is a quad-core Intel Atom X7 processor, which makes our device the most powerful portable gaming console.
Ok so 1.6 cm according to them here

Quote
164.1 x 84 x 1.8 mm
They probably mean 18 mm thickness here.

Quote
160.0 x 81 x 1.4 mm
And 14 mm thickness here.

Quote
Thanks to four computing cores of this processor, which can work with frequencies up to 2.56 GHz, as well as to GPU with 16 computing blocks and full compatibility with any dual-channel RAM (up to 8 Gb)
They probably meant 8GB here not 8 Gigabit (which is 1 Gigabyte).

So which of the two is 1.6 cm (16 mm) or is this the average thickness. (which would be sleazy wording)
I'd like this device to be real of course and if it is I wish even more there was a ultra hardcore model with v2 core M.

I understand you guys are Japanese just like with the GPD crew you should proofread what you post. The English is quite good better than that of the GPD crew but the statements are still riddled with mistakes.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on May 24, 2016, 03:31:00 pm
The signs so far show that these PGS guys are POSSIBLY Russian, not Japanese. Is there something new I'm missing here?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on May 25, 2016, 10:49:21 pm
Healthy skepticism is understandable, but maybe lets wait until pgslabs does something foul before we start throwing rocks.  They've not asked for a single cent, nor did they attempt to crowd fund this project without a prototype.  Im not even sure why it matters what nationality they are.  If it ends up legit, I'm buying one at launch.  If its not, no skin off my back.  Pre-order culture needs to die anyway, buying blind is stupid.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: akaVanguard on May 27, 2016, 10:32:51 am
I actually like the design and think this might be a really neat handheld if it gets to market, but i think putting a 1440p screen on it is way beyond overkill.
The system simply doesn't have the hardware to play any games properly in that resolution, so whats the point of this?
I think 1080p would be far more sensible.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on May 29, 2016, 12:58:03 am
Hackinformer did a story on the PGS

See here:  http://hackinformer.com/2016/05/26/preview-pgs-portable-gaming-solution/


Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on May 29, 2016, 11:59:04 pm
Ok , some major news from PGS finally.


Their draft Kickstarter page: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pgslab/981507127?token=c0c2fbd9
News via youtube comments by the PGS team:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i60l92f4Z08


Originally Posted by Portable Solutions 5 days ago

Hi, Thank you for attention to PGS!
// "Where i can purchase"
At the moment, nowhere. We are planning to start selling in December. But this depends on many factors.

// "I can not find PGS on the Kickstarter"
Initially, we planned to develop a device using a business investor. Unfortunately, we went with the opinion with the investor. The investor would like to convert the product to the next low-quality junk. While we want to do as a qualitative device as possible. Eventually we going to try luck at Kickstarter. Most likely in the coming week.

Link to a draft of our page:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pgslab/981507127?token=c0c2fbd9

// "do you have prototype?"
Currently, we have several "frankenstein" prototypes. Unfortunately, at the moment they are visually far from the final renders. They based on Microsoft Surface 3 (128\4) stuffing, and it has the same performance. As soon as we have an industrial prototype, we are pleased to show his.

// "2016Q4"
This date we promised our partner manufacturer. Even if we have to move the release date, I do not think that will be a big shift.

// Why so cheap?
Because we can:) The approximate cost of the base model - $ 200. We have big plans for our product, and its future generations (Apollo Like), and we would like to earn a reputation in the eyes of the target audience, get fanbase. Retail will be a little more expensive.

// Retail Constacts?
Currently - nope. We plan to sell our product from Gearbest and Amazon.

// Can you show prototype benchmarks video?
Can, but the results will not differ from the results of testing Surface 3 (128/4), full of them on the web.
In truth, PGS is not the best choice for the most demanding games, like Witcher 3, DOOM 4 etc, but we must remember that these games less than one percent. Battlefield 3? No problem. Mass Effect trilogy in HD? Why not? Bioshock trology? Sure. Skyrim, Fallout 3? Yes. Tens of thousands of great games that are not available on phones and handheld game consoles.

PGS team - fans of the handheld gaming devices. We do not aim to release the device to just make money. We want to do something really new, comfortable, high-quality, popular. And we will do everything in our power to make it. I hope that answered all the questions. If we missed something, ask us. Good luck!
Preorder - Comming June (Kickstarter). But, if you want to see some reviews and final samples test, we recommend you to wait for retail (approximately december).

I thought this vid was funny:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-ynkgaR3ZY
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on May 30, 2016, 02:23:42 am
Hm, their Kickstarter prices are higher than they originally promised...
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on May 30, 2016, 06:05:54 am
... Eventually we going to try luck at Kickstarter. Most likely in the coming week.

...

Preorder - Comming June (Kickstarter). But, if you want to see some reviews and final samples test, we recommend you to wait for retail (approximately december).

I knew it. So much for not going to Kickstarter.

It's also really strange how they worded it. "Eventually we're going to try our luck on Kickstarter... Y'know, like next week or so."

Well they can call it a "preorder" all they want but they'll need a working prototype before they launch. I hope it's more than a disassembled tablet. But I have a feeling this is going to be fun.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on May 30, 2016, 06:47:58 am
The whole thing doesnt make sense, they need to explictly show a working prototype to be able to start a Kickstarter project.  They dont have that from the sounds of it.  A hacked tablet definately doesn't pass as  a prototype of their product.   Also, I note that the top of the Kickstarter page says

"This project does not meet the Kickstarter Rules. " .   Pointing to the page which says you need to show a working prototype and not renders. Actually renders like shown are a big no no. Kickstarter rules specifically prohibtis them
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on May 30, 2016, 04:32:27 pm
Definitely starting to go the way of the Smach. Sigh....Guess all I can do now is hope for the Win's price to drop to $250 or lower.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Mode7Dolphin on May 30, 2016, 08:43:37 pm
In a few weeks the system prototype will be unveiled at E3 so no need to go into panic mode just yet.

As for the Smach Zero, there's a whole lot of reasons why that KickStarter failed. I'll list my personal issues with it: it wasn't pocket sized (more tablet sized) and it was using experimental controls (the Steam Controller is absolutely horrendous for retro games).

I don't quite get why the PGS has two different versions. The price difference between Hardcore and Standard is marginal given the estimates from PGSLab.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on May 30, 2016, 10:30:32 pm
The whole thing doesnt make sense, they need to explictly show a working prototype to be able to start a Kickstarter project.  They dont have that from the sounds of it.  A hacked tablet definately doesn't pass as  a prototype of their product.   Also, I note that the top of the Kickstarter page says

"This project does not meet the Kickstarter Rules. " .   Pointing to the page which says you need to show a working prototype and not renders. Actually renders like shown are a big no no. Kickstarter rules specifically prohibtis them

Definitely starting to go the way of the Smach. Sigh....Guess all I can do now is hope for the Win's price to drop to $250 or lower.

You betcha. That's how I expect them to skirt the rules.

I know Zear hates gifs but it's worth seeing just how Smach was able to cheat meet Kickstarter's "working prototype" requirement.

(http://i.giphy.com/3o8doVOeWnXXU9W7Re.gif)

We can't stop PGS from going down that same path, that's their choice if they want the money that badly. But if they do then I don't want to hear any crying about how people's reactions and criticism is somehow unfair to them.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on May 31, 2016, 12:33:34 am
Well, that Kickstarter page has tons of photo realistic renders in it.  Kickstarter explicitly points out in its rules that photo realistic renders are prohibited. So if they go ahead, that kickstarter page will have to be drastically altered. All the photos and videos pretty much.

As for them showing the PGS at E3, nope, they are not on the exhibitors list.  So no , they wont be there, not unless they are a last minute entry . E3 starts in 14 days
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on May 31, 2016, 01:49:39 am
They claimed that they will be at E3 in some form I believe. Still, even if they're a last minute entry I can't expect anything more than a small booth with pamphlets like Smach.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on May 31, 2016, 08:27:19 am
My prediction:

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/retail-street_vendor-business-marketing-watch_sales-watches-mban541_low.jpg)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on May 31, 2016, 01:19:00 pm
I will say I hope PGS pull this device off, let's give a break.
Considering that the x7 8750 runs pretty hot I doubt it that this small machine will reach all the features mention from them, special passive cooling system??????????. No even one right now, even the core m skylake, so passive cooling system you got to tell the truth about to lock the system for not getting hot.
I don't see the difference in price range between the lite core and the hard core, just give  and other version with bigger display and better cooling system passive or active I want choices, give me those choices and I am definitely going to buy the device for sure.
Good luck
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 01, 2016, 12:04:05 am
How are they planning on fitting a 6100mAh battery in that thing
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 02, 2016, 03:35:12 am
It's maybe folks.   Honestly , I have little confidence in this.

ME  17h17 hours ago
@PGS_Lab @AKyosidaAA
Will there be a Kickstarter for the PGS this month?
Also, will you be at E3?


PGSLab LLC ‏@PGS_Lab  16h16 hours ago
Maybe, news coming soon.

ME
@PGS_Lab @AKyosidaAA
Was that maybe for the kickstarter this month, or was it maybe that you will be at E3?
 
PGSLab LLC
‏@PGS_Lab
@vcoleiro1 @AKyosidaAA We are considering the possibility. In any case, we will warn users in advance.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 02, 2016, 09:42:13 pm
"warn" is in fact the best word to use here.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on June 02, 2016, 10:34:17 pm
So this is dual boot and a phone.... does that mean it is a windows and android phone. How will that work?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on June 03, 2016, 01:39:06 am
this device its going to be the perfect one for Liquidsky, gaming cloud server
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 08, 2016, 12:08:32 am
Oh boy,  not going to say anything, we will see

https://twitter.com/PGS_Lab/status/740315177090965504



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkYguqRUUAEcAzu.jpg)

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on June 08, 2016, 12:23:11 am
Hello, dear forum users. We want to thank you once again for your help, because you inspire us to make our project better. Only because of you, the release version of the device will include such features as:
Changeable battery
Key backlight
A programmable part of the lower display to use as keys or macroses
A virtual keyboard for the lower display, which supports full-screen games
Vibration
Special version of device in black color
Today, we have two pieces of news for you. One is good, while another is bad.
As well as many other distinctive features, which were simply impossible without your tips.
Besides that, we want to tell you two pieces of news. Unfortunately, one of them is bad. The good news in that we have finally reached agreement with investors and signed a contract. Thanks to that, the basic price of PGS will start from 230$ as we planned before. But there’s a bad news. One asshole shared our old and discarded video for Kickstarter and this video was reposted and published by the vast majority of journalists and media, which wrote about our release.  As the result, our investors were able to find this video :( They decided that it can be a great idea to evaluate customers demand for device (as well for the first period of promotion) and insisted that the project has to be presented on Kickstarter.
We deeply apologize for any inconvenience those, who were waiting the device in retail. With respect to Kickstarter, we are happy to receive any support and help, but if you have any doubts in quality of the final product, we recommend you to wait until first reviews appear and official sales launched. As we planned before, official sales will start in December, immediately after the shipment of devices, which were pre-ordered by crowdfunding investors.
P.S. In the nearest future we will receive more complex prototypes of the device. We will make our best to publish a video review with several games testing.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on June 08, 2016, 01:37:18 am
i dont really understand why the investor if is there need to go to Kickstarter,? did you reach an agreement,there is another way to get a feedback.???.
even though its agood news.
so lest start, Vic or PGS labs we need a  new thread for PGSlabs device:
name of the device:
active or passive cooling system . This is my biggest concern for the CPU run pretty hot.
can we have a pro version with 8 inches. i really want this
Intel atom x7 8750 where you going to get supplay
position of the stick can be change.
colors or interchangeable cover .
the SOC atom where is going to be placed the firts or second display
a docking station if its possible with extra port maybe Ethernet port and fan.

so good luck and more info please we are here to help.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 08, 2016, 02:06:43 am
... But there’s a bad news. One asshole shared our old and discarded video for Kickstarter ...

My oh my, I wonder who that could be...
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 08, 2016, 03:16:11 am
PGSLab LLC
‏@PGS_Lab
@vcoleiro1 @AKyosidaAA We are considering the possibility. In any case, we will warn users in advance.

Hahaha, that's classic ambiguous wording at its finest!

Reminds me of an old CKY prank call where he was talking to Kinko's. I forget exactly what he said but the guy at Kinko's was something like "So will that be large, or extra large?", and the pranker goes "Yes". The guy at Kinko's is like "Yes, what?". The pranker goes "Yes, that's correct".   Hahaha    ;D

---------------------------

But in other news:

One asshole shared our old and discarded video for Kickstarter

Uhh... It's not good form for a company to publicly call people derogatory names.... No matter what that person did to damage the company.

Guys, I would be very, very wary of PGS.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 08, 2016, 03:27:24 am
There was a guy that made a youtube parody/critique video of PGS's Kickstarter vid, pretty sure they are talking about that.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 08, 2016, 03:49:26 am
There was a guy that made a youtube parody/critique video of PGS's Kickstarter vid, pretty sure they are talking about that.

Can you post it? I only saw one guy make a video about it but he seemed very interested in it even though he concluded the idea will probably never become a reality and he didn't show the KS video.

They've been so hush-hush with real details so I guess this is another matter we'll have to do some detective work on. It's the first exclusive game on the PGS: Who's the Asshole?!!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 08, 2016, 03:52:10 am
There was a guy that made a youtube parody/critique video of PGS's Kickstarter vid, pretty sure they are talking about that.

Can you post it? I only saw one guy make a video about it but he seemed very interested in it even though he concluded the idea will probably never become a reality and he didn't show the KS video.

This one:

#Invalid YouTube Link#

PGS replied to them in the comments and then the guy made a follow up vid below:

#Invalid YouTube Link#
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 08, 2016, 04:07:30 am
ah, okay. That's the guy I was thinking of but I hadn't seen the first video, only the second.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on June 08, 2016, 04:23:09 am
How much will the Pro model cost now?
Also, it seems GPD have been saying that they can no longer use the Z8550 in their product as there's no supply of that. Does the same hold true for the Z8750 that's supposed to be in the PGS? Will you guys have to use the Z8700 instead? I mean that's still way better than the Z8500, but things that supposedly got fixed in the revisions would've been nice to have.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 08, 2016, 06:07:31 am
I watched that guy's videos the other night. I thought they were funny and entertaining.

I did notice that the PGS video seemed strange, like when the guy is talking his mouth doesn't always match up with what he's saying... Like a really bad overdub. I actually wanted to find the PGS video online to analyze it further but I couldn't find it anywhere.

I guess the whole "stole it from kickstarter" explains why.

But I would hesitate to call him a derogatory term... I mean all he did was find something that was publicly available on the internet and repost it with some speculation and healthy criticism. It's not like he hacked their server or anything.

So for PGS to blame their misfortune about their funding solely on this guy, seems pretty immature, unprofessional, and frankly amateur.

That is if PGS is even a real company. It's probably just some random guy messing with everybody's head.

Edit: I made a comment in Delby's video to notify him that PGS is blaming their financial woes on him. Hoping he'll chime in here.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on June 08, 2016, 06:56:10 am
Hello, this is that guy who joins a forum to add his two cents with an account he may never use again!
I'm also the guy who's going to play devil's advocate, and then the reverse.

Basically, i got an account to point out we have no idea if it really is Delby they're talking about! In all honesty, it could just as easily be the guy who published the original video to the public in the first place;

(though saying it's publicly available is a bit untrue, as, other than Obscure Handhelds and those news sites that find it, I can't even find a reupload on youtube)

my reasoning for thinking this is their specifically calm response to Delby's first and second videos with straightforward answers, even though his first video was a lot more sarcastic and mocking than the second (obviously as it was intended to be a comedic show, but honestly, sarcasm can easily get stale if that's all you show)

On the reverse side of things, it very well could be Delby, given that, as sarcasm gets old, it soon comes off as blaming or derogatory. Another reason they could be saying this about Delby is because, aside from a few foreign-based videos, they've gotten very little video coverage, leaving Delby's video as the only 3rd-party english video "review/coverage" available for their product, which was a huge mistake on their part. (And their Facebook page might as well be forgotten, as their Twitter seems to be the only thing they reply to next to here, and the occasional youtube comments)

Marketing kerfuffles aside, we might just be taking this way too far by immediately accusing the company (either out of distrust due to past failures of similar products *cough*SmachZ*cough*, or just honest to goodness skepticism) of calling out this specific person, and trying to get said person's reply.

In all honesty, yeah, it was stupid of them to call someone an asshole under the same moniker they use for their company as a whole, but otherwise, we're still just as in the dark as before......though with a black version on the way.......and no fixes for that ghastly joystick placement....but yeah......

so, what else do you guys do with accounts on this forum? :-\
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DelbyPicnic on June 08, 2016, 07:20:31 am
The response to my video has gone beyond a level that I ever expected it to reach. It was intended to be comical and dumb, but it's one of the top-ranking videos for the tag PGS Gaming System on YouTube. I've already responded to this with another video too. I'd just like to formally clear some things up about my feelings for the original video.

First of all, the original "kickstarter" video that was used, was one which I found listed on a report by FragHero, here's a link to their report: http://fraghero.com/new-handheld-game-console-capable-running-pc-games/ (http://fraghero.com/new-handheld-game-console-capable-running-pc-games/) It's best to delete rather than unlist, if you want a video gone forever.

If at any point, I had been notified by Portable Solutions, that this video was creating difficulty in finding investors, then I would have unlisted the video and produced a more formal response to the device instead of my "shitpost" for lack of a better word. I don't want to play bad guy, just jaded and critical.

As for my video itself, it's one of the first videos that I made of it's type (the first Pointless Products to be specific) and my ability to form a balanced argument is certainly needing a bit of work, which, is something that I'd like to think I'm getting better at.
If anything I'd say that my video has sparked a lot of discussion over the PGS, and seems to be getting a decent reception as well, but whatever, that was going to happen anyway.

Portable Solutions have answered all of the questions that I had concerning their concept, and have been overwhelmingly cooperative, which is great to see. You can see their reply to my questions in the comments section of this video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i60l92f4Z08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i60l92f4Z08)
Therefore, I'd say that they have refuted my criticism to a large extent, and all I can really say about that is, great! I'm genuinely interested to see what Portable Solutions puts together.

The only point, which I should have stressed more in the original video, is that this device was advertised to me as being able to play AAA games at the level of quality that you'd expect from a mid-tier PC or a current generation console, which to my understanding would be impossible with it's currently detailed hardware. This is something that I still believe to be the case, but either way I'll be proved right or wrong when either the GPD-Win or the PGS Pro launch public tech demos.

I'd urge Portable Solutions to contact me at my usual email address if there's concern to be had with the videos, rather than calling me out on a forum post. You can also get in touch via Twitter or YouTube.

Here's my contact information:
Email: [email protected] (http://[email protected])
YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/delbypicnic (https://youtube.com/c/delbypicnic)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/delbypicnic (https://twitter.com/delbypicnic)

- DelbyPicnic
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: hsuhsu on June 08, 2016, 07:39:44 am
Hello, dear forum users. We want to thank you once again for your help, because you inspire us to make our project better. Only because of you, the release version of the device will include such features as:
Changeable battery
Key backlight
A programmable part of the lower display to use as keys or macroses
A virtual keyboard for the lower display, which supports full-screen games
Vibration
Special version of device in black color
Today, we have two pieces of news for you. One is good, while another is bad.
As well as many other distinctive features, which were simply impossible without your tips.
Besides that, we want to tell you two pieces of news. Unfortunately, one of them is bad. The good news in that we have finally reached agreement with investors and signed a contract. Thanks to that, the basic price of PGS will start from 230$ as we planned before. But there’s a bad news. One asshole shared our old and discarded video for Kickstarter and this video was reposted and published by the vast majority of journalists and media, which wrote about our release.  As the result, our investors were able to find this video :( They decided that it can be a great idea to evaluate customers demand for device (as well for the first period of promotion) and insisted that the project has to be presented on Kickstarter.
We deeply apologize for any inconvenience those, who were waiting the device in retail. With respect to Kickstarter, we are happy to receive any support and help, but if you have any doubts in quality of the final product, we recommend you to wait until first reviews appear and official sales launched. As we planned before, official sales will start in December, immediately after the shipment of devices, which were pre-ordered by crowdfunding investors.
P.S. In the nearest future we will receive more complex prototypes of the device. We will make our best to publish a video review with several games testing.

@PGSLab Blaming someone for their comical yet valid review on your device for your lack of investors, and then calling him an "asshole" is a horrible way to display your professionalism, but a very good way to show what kind of support the buyers will be faced with IF the device ever gets manufactured.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 08, 2016, 07:53:10 am
@indstr  @DelbyPicnic

First, Not sure why you posted that to DelbyPicnic.   What I said was pure conjecture, I could easily be wrong.   Let's not turn my guess into fact and go off on an unguided rampage shall we.

DelbyPicnic, I thought your first video didn't go far enough. To be honest, if someone were to go both barrels on this, then there would be a lot , and I mean a lot more you could say. But I understand it was more to be a parody and humorous, which it was.  I actually thought your second video was the worst of the pair.   And look, I honestly hope these guys pull this off, there would be nothing better than having a third player in the field to join the Pyra and GPD WIN.   But , lets be honest , there is a shit ton of questionable things here.   And a lot of it was mentioned in threads well before Delbys vid , so you can't really blame him for starting anything anyway.

Telescopic sticks in a bottom section that's about 12mm deep. First, I have never heard of telescopic sticks, and I even looked for them without success. Second, how would they retract into that space and still leave room at the bottom for the actual analogue pot - Hmmmmmmmm

Second, 6100 mAh battery in that space with all the pcb and telescopic sticks and second screen.  Hhmmmmmmmm, have you seen how big the 6000 mAh battery in the WIN is.

5 channel speaker system.  along with the above, Hmmmmmmmmmmm

There's also much more I could say

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what they say in the Kickstarter.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing their Kickstarter, it should be immediately clear where they are at, and if an end of year launch is realistic.  As I say, I hope this does come true.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 08, 2016, 08:01:01 am
@indstr  @DelbyPicnic

First, Not sure why you posted that to DelbyPicnic.   What I said was pure conjecture, I could easily be wrong.   Let's not turn my guess into fact and go off on an unguided rampage shall we.


You're right, they may not have been talking about Delby. I guess we need clarification from PGS whether they were referring to Delby, or another person.

I wasn't trying to stir up a rampage, I was just genuinely curious about the whole thing, especially after the unprofessional derogatory comment they made.

Delby handled his comment here like a pro. He should be their PR person   :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 08, 2016, 08:09:48 am
First of all, the original "kickstarter" video that was used, was one which I found listed on a report by FragHero, here's a link to their report: http://fraghero.com/new-handheld-game-console-capable-running-pc-games/ (http://fraghero.com/new-handheld-game-console-capable-running-pc-games/) It's best to delete rather than unlist, if you want a video gone forever.
Thanks for commenting, I like your work!

Their video wasn't unlisted to protect them, they were sharing it as proof of their progress, so they themselves distributed it (and from what I saw today, they don't even have it unlisted anymore, it's fully public now).

If at any point, I had been notified by Portable Solutions, that this video was creating difficulty in finding investors, then I would have unlisted the video and produced a more formal response to the device instead of my "shitpost" for lack of a better word. I don't want to play bad guy, just jaded and critical.
You should stand by your videos, even if they claim it's hurting them, you're still entitled to your own opinion. They're going to have to understand that the internet is a place where people will have and will publish their opinions. If they understood that they probably wouldn't have called you an "asshole." They can blame others all they want but it's not going to do jack shit to help them if the root of their problems is always themselves.

Kickstarter hopefuls are going to have to be weary of their cringy-ass videos. It's a big part of their public face and usually loaded with outrageous claims and unintentionally funny moments. Sometimes these videos are flat out misleading and satirizing it is the softest response they should be happy to take.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 08, 2016, 08:24:43 am
That kickstarter video was first posted by PGS on the Pandora forum in response to tough criticism there.   They said they didn't want it distributed - honoring that, I asked them to post the video here for you guys to see rather than doing it myself, they did that.  You can see my request on page 5 of this thread, and them responding with the video on page 6.

The reason they didn't want it distributed, is because it was an old draft they had made, and not final.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 08, 2016, 10:48:18 am
Here's some more info they just tweeted. Looks like the Kickstarter is this month, no doubt around or just after E3


Are we talking weeks or months away for the Kickstarter?

 PGSLab LLC ‏@PGS_Lab  15m15 minutes ago
@vcoleiro1 This month

Will there be a functioning prototype demoed?

 PGSLab LLC ‏@PGS_Lab  33m33 minutes ago
@andino1152 Yes
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on June 08, 2016, 03:32:46 pm
i dont see the big deal, i think dosent hurt to have a little bit of criticism,is for you to make better product, that is for you help,said the true sometimes hurts.
just shows what else you can do to us.
Start the discussion right here ???????
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on June 08, 2016, 06:24:16 pm
mhhm a couple of first time posters on this forum all in a row... Fishy.

Anyhow
Quote
We deeply apologize for any inconvenience those, who were waiting the device in retail. With respect to Kickstarter, we are happy to receive any support and help, but if you have any doubts in quality of the final product, we recommend you to wait until first reviews appear and official sales launched. As we planned before, official sales will start in December, immediately after the shipment of devices, which were pre-ordered by crowdfunding investors.
I will do just that wait for reviews and only then order it. I'm not going to back something unless I'm sure I get a device. That's after all not how I was raised by my great grandmother Ada Recette Schlomo Schekelberg Goldstein Jewenheimer, Capitalism HO!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on June 09, 2016, 07:39:28 am
mhhm a couple of first time posters on this forum all in a row... Fishy.

In case I'm included in this:
Just gonna say, I don't know the PGS people personally, I'm just really interested in their product. Just waiting to figure out how to get DS emulation on both screens possible and I might stop complaining about the awkward joysticks.....actually no, nevermind, that placement is still awkward to me.

Also!

If at any point, I had been notified by Portable Solutions, that this video was creating difficulty in finding investors, then I would have unlisted the video and produced a more formal response to the device instead of my "shitpost" for lack of a better word. I don't want to play bad guy, just jaded and critical.
You should stand by your videos, even if they claim it's hurting them, you're still entitled to your own opinion. They're going to have to understand that the internet is a place where people will have and will publish their opinions. If they understood that they probably wouldn't have called you an "asshole." They can blame others all they want but it's not going to do jack shit to help them if the root of their problems is always themselves.

Kickstarter hopefuls are going to have to be weary of their cringy-ass videos. It's a big part of their public face and usually loaded with outrageous claims and unintentionally funny moments. Sometimes these videos are flat out misleading and satirizing it is the softest response they should be happy to take.

Still, I think what Delby's meaning is that he might not want his first episode of his series to be this center for PGS controversy and such (whether or not PGS even means him is pretty unimportant for now).

Though opinion is something to be protected, if I put my face out there in a show that I knew was simply going to get better and evolve past the first episode, I would definitely be open to unlisting my first video, the one with little to no audience critique for a base, and entirely based on simply putting the show out there, as it is the first episode, and will simply lead to better and more well rounded ones later. (besides, he himself said he'd be fine doing a full on review later, which would then be in the same vein as his more evolved style, humor or otherwise)

And if Delby reads this: hope the show keeps going, and hope you don't limit yourself to present products, partially because it would easily avoid mix-ups like this, and mostly because I need some Shamwow/Shake-Weight episodes.  :D
[unless this is a specifically tech based show, in which case I'd still fully endorse a butchering of how a shake-weight actually mechanically 'functions']
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on June 15, 2016, 04:23:43 am
So nothing at E3 after all?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on June 15, 2016, 01:43:01 pm
So nothing at E3 after all?
I haven't seen a thing of them though I personally wasn't at the E3. Can't find a thing about a booth so I guess there was none. We still have the crowdfunding campaign allegedly starting somewhere this month I hope we get a look at a real prototype.

If they really want to launch this thing Q4 2016 they are going to have a lot of work to do. The lead time on the GPD is also 3-4 month from final design prototype to availability. Considering they don't have any final design prototype ready as far as we know I think they should postpone their launch a bit so they can actually make it.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on June 16, 2016, 01:34:28 am
they need to hurry up, i want before holidays
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 16, 2016, 03:02:53 am
What??!??! You mean they've been completely silent and we don't even know if they showed up to E3?? No way!

The part I enjoy most isn't the possibility that they're running a scam, it's the possibility that they're actually serious and don't understand how over their heads they actually are. I want them to launch their Kickstarter, bring on the fireworks.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: pantwi on June 16, 2016, 05:25:49 am
what a bunch of quacks!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 16, 2016, 12:37:34 pm

Matthew Rabbitt Britelin Kickstarter after E3, PGS Lab LLC?
Like · Reply · 1 · June 14 at 6:10pm

PGS LAB
PGS LAB Hello. Yes.
Like · Reply · 1 · 12 hrs

Ezra Klassen
Ezra Klassen When?
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 7:43am

PGS LAB
PGS LAB After E3
Like · Reply · 12 hr
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 17, 2016, 01:28:24 am

Matthew Rabbitt Britelin Kickstarter after E3, PGS Lab LLC?
Like · Reply · 1 · June 14 at 6:10pm

PGS LAB
PGS LAB Hello. Yes.
Like · Reply · 1 · 12 hrs

Ezra Klassen
Ezra Klassen When?
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 7:43am

PGS LAB
PGS LAB In the future
Like · Reply · 12 hr

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 17, 2016, 01:31:51 am
Well, they did previously say this month, so this month after E3 means in the next 13 days some time.

Place your bets
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 17, 2016, 05:39:41 am
Well, they did previously say this month, so this month after E3 means in the next 13 days some time.

Place your bets

I wager 2 GPD Win's and a Pandora that it won't happen!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on June 17, 2016, 06:09:26 am
Well, pessimism aside, the site's updated with a little sign about the Kickstarter coming soon...

Hope this goes well!  :)

[to be honest the only way they can save this now is to both throw a new/better Kickstarter video onto Youtube, as well as all the sites that gave them coverage, and get someone to do better public relations, because based on the broken english of some messages, and the more adequate diction of others, we've probably been talking with different developers a lot...Either way, unless they want the guy who caused whole a$$hole "incident*" to possibly cause another "incident" they should sacrifice development time (sure, it'll come out later than expected, but as far as I know, we're kind of a community that's used to that; every tech product should need a bit more shining, especially independent developers) and set up a better link with the public**, otherwise obscurity, or dismissive comments, will swallow the project whole.]

Just a thought.  ???

(*and by incident I mean a couple comments and then E3 shut us up)

**Twitter's their best outlet, but they need to answer more often...or heck, calm a lot of the pessimism I see here, I mean, aside from the a**hole thing, I haven't seen that much to make some of these people so dismissive aside from some SmachZ sores or such.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on June 17, 2016, 11:45:40 pm
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY, WHAT DID I SAAAAAAAAAAAY:  ;D

#Invalid YouTube Link#

[He says as if he had anything to do with this turn of events in the slightest, clearly delusional]

EDIT: well that was fun, but the bad news is, using VidIQ I see they didn't use any tags for their video so......good luck finding it without the link! [seriously guys, 'emulation,' 'portable,' 'gaming,' ANY of these would be fine! just use tags so people get directed to your video and get hyped up! Unless you think you already have enough people on the lookout for your device specifically, in which case, you should still be trying to rake in new consumers...] and add more tags to your first video....seeing as it has a lot more information about the product than this teaser.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 18, 2016, 01:02:01 am
Hmmm,    I'm still going to leave my comments until I see their final Kickstarter page, who knows, maybe it will be awesome.  But yeah, Hmmm

The teaser still says June (at the end) , so within 12 days now
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 18, 2016, 01:58:58 am
The "June" at the end could have been an editing error. It's on screen for like less than half a second. They maybe replaced the "June" still with "coming soon" and wanted to fade out but instead had a little bit of the old still left over at the end so it faded to that instead of fading to black and they didn't catch it. Just my guess.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 18, 2016, 02:02:13 am
The "June" at the end could have been an editing error. It's on screen for like less than half a second. They maybe replaced the "June" still with "coming soon" and wanted to fade out but instead had a little bit of the old still left over at the end so it faded to that instead of fading to black and they didn't catch it. Just my guess.

Not if you take into account they have been saying June on Twitter in the last few days. They have said June and after E3. The teaser just backs that up. So not a mistake IMO.

This should be good, one way or the other :P
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 18, 2016, 02:10:10 am
Yeah and they also said they would be at E3.

Maybe I'm just being generous and giving them an out if they need it later. I want to see their Kickstarter as much as the next person, so bring it on. But just saying don't get your hopes up because it could have been a mistake they didn't catch.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 18, 2016, 02:14:39 am
I think they were pretty vague about E3, from what I saw, there was no direct we will be there. That's why I asked about it.   Maybe I missed it

But they have specifically said June for the Kickstarter. Doesn't mean it will happen (or be allowed by KS).   In fact I'm holding a lot back I want to say on that front. 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 18, 2016, 02:25:49 am
It wasn't the first hazy piece of communication, it won't be the last, and it's not what you want as a backer.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 19, 2016, 01:46:13 am
PGS just did an AMA on Reddit.  They are still saying this month for the Kickstarter. Supposedly they will show a prototype of sorts.   Hmmmm

Here is the AMA:  https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4opa3g/we_are_pgs_lab_a_team_dedicated_to_making_the/


PGSlab 1 point 5 hours ago
We do have working prototypes that we're going to show when our Kickstarter launches (Within two weeks). Stay tuned!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 19, 2016, 02:26:07 pm
Awesome! indstr in with the tough questions.   :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 19, 2016, 02:35:13 pm
@indstr

Shit Stirrer :p
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 19, 2016, 05:47:57 pm
@indstr

Shit Stirrer :p

I consider myself more of a corporate accountability holder.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 19, 2016, 06:42:42 pm
@indstr

Shit Stirrer :p

I consider myself more of a corporate accountability holder.

....and I got downvoted.

Whatever guys. When this whole thing implodes, I warned you.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on June 19, 2016, 10:44:50 pm
@indstr

Shit Stirrer :p

I consider myself more of a corporate accountability holder.

....and I got downvoted.

Whatever guys. When this whole thing implodes, I warned you.
I'm waiting unless they can guarantee me I get a device. PGS actually suggested just that if you didn't trust them. I hope it's real it would make a nice phone replacement I need to buy some new jeans to fit it comfortably though  ;D.

If it turns out to be a bust at least I'll have a GPD Win to enjoy myself with.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 19, 2016, 11:14:00 pm
@indstr

Shit Stirrer :p

I consider myself more of a corporate accountability holder.

....and I got downvoted.

Whatever guys. When this whole thing implodes, I warned you.

Don't know who down voted you. But on the front of warning us, lets be honest here, it's not like you are the first to warn anyone. Read this thread, pretty much everyone is on the same page
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on June 19, 2016, 11:51:09 pm
I need to find out more about kickstarter. I am going to pledge, but if it doesn't happen do I lose my monies? Cuz I luvs my monies!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 20, 2016, 12:00:28 am
I need to find out more about kickstarter. I am going to pledge, but if it doesn't happen do I lose my monies? Cuz I luvs my monies!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

If the campaign goes bust , yes, you lose your money.  If they end up somewhere in the middle of can't fulfill your pledge but have some money left, they are supposed to refund you a percentage based on whats left.  They are also meant to account for where the money went.   I backed the ICP2 project which failed spectacularly.  After years , I ended up with 30% refund of the money I put in.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on June 20, 2016, 12:02:12 am
Kickstarter only charges you once the campaign has ended and has reached its goal.

The way I see it, E3 has come and gone and we haven't seen a prototype, or any sort of official announcement. The device in their new video seems real - it has fingerprints and everything, but it doesn't mean it actually works. I want this to be true, and I believe it's feasible - but I'm more suspicious than before.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 20, 2016, 12:11:03 am
The device in their new video seems real - it has fingerprints and everything.

Device in their new video?  Which vid are you referring to
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on June 20, 2016, 12:38:43 am
The device in their new video seems real - it has fingerprints and everything.

Device in their new video?  Which vid are you referring to
The only video I saw was a nonsense kickstarter add


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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: darkhazuki on June 20, 2016, 01:15:17 am
When the PGS will be released ?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 20, 2016, 01:29:33 am
Don't know who down voted you. But on the front of warning us, lets be honest here, it's not like you are the first to warn anyone. Read this thread, pretty much everyone is on the same page

I think it's pretty safe to assume that one of the downvotes came from PGS     ;D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DiegoSLTS on June 20, 2016, 03:00:30 am
The device in their new video seems real - it has fingerprints and everything.

Device in their new video?  Which vid are you referring to
The only video I saw was a nonsense kickstarter add


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I guess he's talking about the "Pre-order teaser" video posted some messages above. I don't think that's a physical prototype, to me it's just another render with a weird effect on the black screen.

EDIT: Confirmed, if you pause the video and compare the marks in both screens you can see it's the same image stretched.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 20, 2016, 08:50:28 am
Some more info from the AMA

What date are you targeting for the Kickstarter?
I find that if a date is given, people tend to count down to it and can share it.

PGSlab 1 point 18 hours ago
The 28th of this month is what we're going for, but it's subject to change.

Cool, thanks for the answer.
Can I ask if only the KS cash will be funding everything to do with finishing the PGS console and making the units for backers. Or will external investor money be used to fund part of it?

PGSlab 1 point 17 hours ago
The campaign will cover the cost of the first production, but we hope to expand later without having to use a crowdfunding campaign when we do so.

Thanks
Cool teaser by the way, I like the design of it.
Forgot to ask, can you tell us how many people are in the PGS team?

PGSlab  1 point 7 hours ago
There are seven members on our team, but we have had other associates who have helped as production has gone on.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on June 20, 2016, 11:51:25 am
The device in their new video seems real - it has fingerprints and everything.

Device in their new video?  Which vid are you referring to
The only video I saw was a nonsense kickstarter add


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I guess he's talking about the "Pre-order teaser" video posted some messages above. I don't think that's a physical prototype, to me it's just another render with a weird effect on the black screen.

EDIT: Confirmed, if you pause the video and compare the marks in both screens you can see it's the same image stretched.
You're completely right. I don't know how I didn't notice it before.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 21, 2016, 04:47:30 pm
PGS replied in a professional manner about my inquiry...

Quote
I personally was not working for PGS at the time of the comment, but I will say this:

We're just human. We make mistakes. While it does not excuse our actions, you have to understand that we have problems just like everyone else. As a team, we've poured our heart and soul into this project. We've made many sacrifices on both our personal and professional lives to start this company, and to develop this device.

Initially, we were going to crowdfund it, but then we got funding from a private investor. This took much of the stress off the monetary and promotional side of things, and allowed us to focus on the product. When the video leaked, our investor decided it would be best to go the crowdfunding route to gauge public response. This meant that we had to go back, and focus on everything we thought we had covered in order earn the investment back after a successful campaign.

We didn't directly blame the user; it's not their fault, but it had a massive effect on the organization and workflow of the development. It would be dishonest to try and say that we're perfect, and that that comment was made on a neutral mind set. We apologize for the incident and we hope that some kind of trust is restored after you've read this.

Thanks.

Case closed. I'll stop being a "corporate accountability holder" now and I'm interested to just sit back and watch the fireworks at this point     ;D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on June 21, 2016, 05:36:20 pm
Sounds like they hired someone with fluent English or at least great grammar skills. It's great that they seem to be putting a lot of heart into this project. I just really hope they really know what they're getting themselves into with this project.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 24, 2016, 02:18:03 pm
While I approach this product/company with great hesitation from the [many] red flags I have seen so far, I certainly do hope this product truly becomes a reality, as it seems like it could be the answer to everything I've been looking for in a phone/mobile gaming device.

One of the big concerns I have (aside from all the obvious stuff), is that IIRC, $ony still has a patent on a "slide out gamepad" from their days with the Xperia Play and PSP GO. I remember seeing in multiple places that this is the reason we have not seen any type of device hit the market (aside from some of the cheap chinese knock-off variety) with any type of slide out gamepad.

Anyone have any thoughts on this at all?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 24, 2016, 02:25:44 pm
@robman2122

I'm sure SONY do have a patent on their design for the slide out controls, but, and it's a big but, these type of patents can be very specific. By that I mean, it's likely that the patent is for the specific way the mechanism is designed for the slider devices and the controls they use (those touch analogs).   Slide out keyboards existed before SONY, and there are even slide out gamepads available on the market now, they would use a different mechanism to open.  So I'm not worried about that
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 24, 2016, 05:29:07 pm
Well, for what it's worth, I wish them luck in their endeavor. Despite all the red flags, it seems like there's a little too much effort put forth for it to be nothing more than an elaborate hoax. Still seems nothing more than a pipe dream to me personally for what they plan to accomplish and the time frame they wish to accomplish it all by. Even if all they do is drum up another companies ideas to bring a real gamephone to the market, I still see that as a win in the end.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 24, 2016, 09:48:38 pm
@robman2122

I'm sure SONY do have a patent on their design for the slide out controls, but, and it's a big but, these type of patents can be very specific. By that I mean, it's likely that the patent is for the specific way the mechanism is designed for the slider devices and the controls they use (those touch analogs).   Slide out keyboards existed before SONY, and there are even slide out gamepads available on the market now, they would use a different mechanism to open.  So I'm not worried about that

Good point, Sony themselves got around patent infringement by adding an "X" worth of plastic in the middle of the D-Pad for the Playstation's controllers.    :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on June 25, 2016, 12:22:53 am
Just got an email saying kickstarter will launch soon. $230 base unit.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 25, 2016, 12:33:17 am
Just got an email saying kickstarter will launch soon. $230 base unit.

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I signed up for all that stuff and didn't get anything yet. Could you copy/paste it here for us to see?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 25, 2016, 12:35:08 am
Nevermind. It was in my spam folder (complete with misspellings in the subject). Maybe Gmail knows something we don't ;)

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 25, 2016, 01:13:56 am
Don't forget, they have already said the KS will be this month , they also tweeted that they are targetting the 28th
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on June 25, 2016, 02:21:12 am
I got my email in my Promotions folder.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 27, 2016, 01:23:06 pm
Well, PGS are still saying "within days" now for the KS campaign.  They mentioned the 28th was their target.  I suppose we will know within 43 hours time.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 27, 2016, 01:25:00 pm
Well, PGS are still saying "within days" now for the KS campaign.  They mentioned the 28th was their target.  I suppose we will know within 43 hours time.
I've also read them saying "*subject to change" on that date as well. I certainly hope we see something soon, but I'm not holding my breath. 

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: dubsmachine on June 27, 2016, 01:25:28 pm
I'm interested to see what the price of the hardcore model will be.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 27, 2016, 01:33:36 pm
Well, PGS are still saying "within days" now for the KS campaign.  They mentioned the 28th was their target.  I suppose we will know within 43 hours time.
I've also read them saying "*subject to change" on that date as well. I certainly hope we see something soon, but I'm not holding my breath. 

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They did say it could change when they mentioned the 28th.  However a couple of hours ago, they said within days. So it seems it's still their target - for now :)

A lot of things could happen to stop it or delay it .  We will see.

If it does go live, I'm really curious to see whats changed from their draft KS page the showed previously.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 27, 2016, 01:38:09 pm
Well, PGS are still saying "within days" now for the KS campaign.  They mentioned the 28th was their target.  I suppose we will know within 43 hours time.
I've also read them saying "*subject to change" on that date as well. I certainly hope we see something soon, but I'm not holding my breath. 

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They did say it could change when they mentioned the 28th.  However a couple of hours ago, they said within days. So it seems it's still their target - for now :)

A lot of things could happen to stop it or delay it .  We will see.

If it does go live, I'm really curious to see whats changed from their draft KS page the showed previously.
Well we all know the one major change that has to occur for them to go live: a working prototype!

I really hope it's all real as I'm tired of these companies playing with my emotions on a game phone lol. Not that it was great as a phone itself, but I've kicked myself ever since I sold my Xperia play. Gaming just isn't gaming on a touch screen, not sure why cell phone companies don't seem to get that. I've even gone as far as trying to design a custom case for my note 5 that integrates a bluetooth controller that was partially successful.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 27, 2016, 01:42:12 pm
Well, PGS are still saying "within days" now for the KS campaign.  They mentioned the 28th was their target.  I suppose we will know within 43 hours time.
I've also read them saying "*subject to change" on that date as well. I certainly hope we see something soon, but I'm not holding my breath. 

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They did say it could change when they mentioned the 28th.  However a couple of hours ago, they said within days. So it seems it's still their target - for now :)

A lot of things could happen to stop it or delay it .  We will see.

If it does go live, I'm really curious to see whats changed from their draft KS page the showed previously.
Well we all know the one major change that has to occur for them to go live: a working prototype!

I really hope it's all real as I'm tired of these companies playing with my emotions on a game phone lol. Not that it was great as a phone itself, but I've kicked myself ever since I sold my Xperia play. Gaming just isn't gaming on a touch screen, not sure why cell phone companies don't seem to get that. I've even gone as far as trying to design a custom case for my note 5 that integrates a bluetooth controller that was partially successful.

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Ah, the dream of having a gamepad phone case , perhaps even one with a keyboard as well as game controls. 

Yes, I did back the iControlpad 2.  If only someone else managed that campaign, surely it would be a reality - as opposed to ending up with me losing 70% of my pledge.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 27, 2016, 01:53:17 pm
Well, PGS are still saying "within days" now for the KS campaign.  They mentioned the 28th was their target.  I suppose we will know within 43 hours time.
I've also read them saying "*subject to change" on that date as well. I certainly hope we see something soon, but I'm not holding my breath. 

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They did say it could change when they mentioned the 28th.  However a couple of hours ago, they said within days. So it seems it's still their target - for now :)

A lot of things could happen to stop it or delay it .  We will see.

If it does go live, I'm really curious to see whats changed from their draft KS page the showed previously.
Well we all know the one major change that has to occur for them to go live: a working prototype!

I really hope it's all real as I'm tired of these companies playing with my emotions on a game phone lol. Not that it was great as a phone itself, but I've kicked myself ever since I sold my Xperia play. Gaming just isn't gaming on a touch screen, not sure why cell phone companies don't seem to get that. I've even gone as far as trying to design a custom case for my note 5 that integrates a bluetooth controller that was partially successful.

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Ah, the dream of having a gamepad phone case , perhaps even one with a keyboard as well as game controls. 

Yes, I did back the iControlpad 2.  If only someone else managed that campaign, surely it would be a reality - as opposed to ending up with me losing 70% of my pledge.
And it's stories like that, that make me hesitant to ever throw money at anything on kickstarter. Especially in this case, being a company nobody has ever heard of until this "dream" of a project. I've seen too many people get screwed over by even simple projects that should have been a cakewalk compared to something like this.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 27, 2016, 01:56:50 pm
Well, PGS are still saying "within days" now for the KS campaign.  They mentioned the 28th was their target.  I suppose we will know within 43 hours time.
I've also read them saying "*subject to change" on that date as well. I certainly hope we see something soon, but I'm not holding my breath. 

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They did say it could change when they mentioned the 28th.  However a couple of hours ago, they said within days. So it seems it's still their target - for now :)

A lot of things could happen to stop it or delay it .  We will see.

If it does go live, I'm really curious to see whats changed from their draft KS page the showed previously.
Well we all know the one major change that has to occur for them to go live: a working prototype!

I really hope it's all real as I'm tired of these companies playing with my emotions on a game phone lol. Not that it was great as a phone itself, but I've kicked myself ever since I sold my Xperia play. Gaming just isn't gaming on a touch screen, not sure why cell phone companies don't seem to get that. I've even gone as far as trying to design a custom case for my note 5 that integrates a bluetooth controller that was partially successful.

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Ah, the dream of having a gamepad phone case , perhaps even one with a keyboard as well as game controls. 

Yes, I did back the iControlpad 2.  If only someone else managed that campaign, surely it would be a reality - as opposed to ending up with me losing 70% of my pledge.
And it's stories like that, that make me hesitant to ever throw money at anything on kickstarter. Especially in this case, being a company nobody has ever heard of until this "dream" of a project. I've seen too many people get screwed over by even simple projects that should have been a cakewalk compared to something like this.

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That's because it wasn't a company (and may still not be )  , they told me they were in the process of forming a company when I asked a while ago.  Don't say it :)

EDIT:  On a check of their previous posts, It seems they were saying that their team hadn't completely formed yet , not that their company hadn't formed yet
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 27, 2016, 02:26:06 pm
Gaming just isn't gaming on a touch screen, not sure why cell phone companies don't seem to get that.

I totally agree! But what I find strange is that you've got a whole generation of kids growing up now who are used to playing games on a touchscreen tablet with no buttons or gamepad at all.

When they get older they're not even going to miss the gamepad.

What is their nostalgia going to be like?

Not that either way is wrong or right....   But I'm going to be a D-Pad and buttons guy until the day I die   :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 27, 2016, 03:04:23 pm


Gaming just isn't gaming on a touch screen, not sure why cell phone companies don't seem to get that.
Not that either way is wrong or right....   But I'm going to be a D-Pad and buttons guy until the day I die   :)

I'm totally going to dig my heels in the ground and be an opinionated grouchy old man on this and say there is a right and wrong way lol. These young whipper snappers will never know the joys of physical controls!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 27, 2016, 03:09:09 pm
I'm totally going to dig my heels in the ground and be an opinionated grouchy old man on this and say there is a right and wrong way lol. These young whipper snappers will never know the joys of physical controls!

To them, buttons probably feel antequated and unnecessary.

They don't understand why we don't get satisfaction from making "swiping" gestures.

Oh dear. Oh no. Swiping. You're right.

[INNER BEAST]
GAMEPAD IS THE CORRECT WAY TO PLAY GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/INNER BEAST]

 ;D

P.S.... There is exactly 1 game where swiping makes sense: Cut the Rope. My finger is a knife. I get it. It makes sense, as a physics puzzle game it's actually not too bad.
But using swipe to make your character move? No. That is the devil's work right there.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 27, 2016, 03:17:58 pm
I'm totally going to dig my heels in the ground and be an opinionated grouchy old man on this and say there is a right and wrong way lol. These young whipper snappers will never know the joys of physical controls!

To them, buttons probably feel antequated and unnecessary.

They don't understand why we don't get satisfaction from making "swiping" gestures.

Oh dear. Oh no. Swiping. You're right.

[INNER BEAST]
GAMEPAD IS THE CORRECT WAY TO PLAY GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/INNER BEAST]

 ;D
Don't get me wrong, games that were designed around touch screen inputs are fine (ex. Angry birds) but when game designers try making traditional platformers or first person shooters on a smart phone, that's where the gap becomes increasingly more apparent.

The answer seems to be either adding in assist functions or dumbing down the game play so it doesn't require as precise of an input, which in my opinion just tarnishes the quality of said game and personally pushes me away from ever thinking of experiencing it in the first place.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 27, 2016, 05:06:20 pm
when game designers try making traditional platformers or first person shooters on a smart phone, that's where the gap becomes increasingly more apparent.

I agree somewhat, however I invite all the touchscreen platformers in the world, because of glorious touchscreen mapping software like the one that comes by default on the GPD XD    :-D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 27, 2016, 05:47:52 pm



I agree somewhat, however I invite all the touchscreen platformers in the world, because of glorious touchscreen mapping software like the one that comes by default on the GPD XD    :-D

I would certainly be on board with functions such as those paired with physical controls. As it stands for myself, I refuse to carry more than  one device on my person. Pocket real estate is expensive and carrying a bag back and forth is just too much for me on an average day. Maybe I was spoiled years ago by the Xperia play, but when I know something is a complete possibility, I refuse to compromise. If 4g LTE wasn't a thing, I'd consider even the dated snail W1 at this point (aside from its terrible build quality) but sadly that would seriously hinder my data speeds, which again (being spoiled with it) I simply refuse to give up lol. Maybe I'm just being a total princess about it all

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: XC-3730C on June 27, 2016, 06:11:12 pm
I hope this is real. I was gonna get a GPD XD or S192, but I saw this and was impressed. I don't like the playstation style D-pad ( I guess I will always prefer the SNES d-pad).

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on June 28, 2016, 12:02:04 am
one day counting
cross fingers.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 28, 2016, 12:20:26 am
Maybe I was spoiled years ago by the Xperia play, but when I know something is a complete possibility, I refuse to compromise.

Maybe I'm just being a total princess about it all

I understand what you're saying though.

Personally I don't mind carrying around a ton of devices, and I do.  But, that's on trips out of town and camping trips and stuff like that.

When I go to work, I don't even bring any devices in at all. But I'm usually so busy that I wouldn't have time to mess with anything anyway. And if I do, it's a bit of websites or whatever on the PC   :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on June 28, 2016, 05:08:47 pm
They have a kickstarter soon logo on their site nothing on KS itself yet.
They said it was a flexible date the month isn't over I hope this isn't how it ends. I'd like this device to make it to market.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 28, 2016, 10:35:49 pm
It's already the 29th for a lot of Russians right now... just sayin'...
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 28, 2016, 10:37:24 pm
It's already the 29th for a lot of Russians right now... just sayin'...
They are supposedly a USA based company, despite their multicultural list of nationalities. Hard to tell where they're based though....

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 28, 2016, 10:42:37 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160628/ce3348962fd1a75b78fa1729e89ad8c6.jpg)

They're saying the 30th now..

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 28, 2016, 11:38:40 pm
So it's moved from the 28th to the 30th. I suppose we will give it to then and see.

The last I heard, they had not formed a company yet.  They were a group of individuals from all over the world who had this idea and have been working on it since 2 years ago. At the time I asked, they were still looking to form their company

EDIT:  On a check of their previous posts, It seems they were saying that their team hadn't completely formed yet , not that their company hadn't formed yet
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on June 29, 2016, 03:10:16 am
Well, PGS are still saying "within days" now for the KS campaign.  They mentioned the 28th was their target.  I suppose we will know within 43 hours time.
I've also read them saying "*subject to change" on that date as well. I certainly hope we see something soon, but I'm not holding my breath. 

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They did say it could change when they mentioned the 28th.  However a couple of hours ago, they said within days. So it seems it's still their target - for now :)

A lot of things could happen to stop it or delay it .  We will see.

If it does go live, I'm really curious to see whats changed from their draft KS page the showed previously.
Well we all know the one major change that has to occur for them to go live: a working prototype!

I really hope it's all real as I'm tired of these companies playing with my emotions on a game phone lol. Not that it was great as a phone itself, but I've kicked myself ever since I sold my Xperia play. Gaming just isn't gaming on a touch screen, not sure why cell phone companies don't seem to get that. I've even gone as far as trying to design a custom case for my note 5 that integrates a bluetooth controller that was partially successful.

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Ah, the dream of having a gamepad phone case , perhaps even one with a keyboard as well as game controls. 

Yes, I did back the iControlpad 2.  If only someone else managed that campaign, surely it would be a reality - as opposed to ending up with me losing 70% of my pledge.

lucky you, I lost 100% of mine. Was hoping to get a discount on the pyra, but even that looks like it was just pillow talk after the anal invasion.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 29, 2016, 03:11:20 am
So it's moved from the 28th to the 30th. I suppose we will give it to then and see.

The last I heard, they had not formed a company yet.  They were a group of individuals from all over the world who had this idea and have been working on it since 2 years ago. At the time I asked, they were still looking to form their company

Then why does their twitter say PGS LLC?

(LLC being Limited Liability Company)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 29, 2016, 06:46:52 am
INDSTR LLC, sounds real ?  :)

This was about 1-2 months ago, I looked up their company, couldn't find a thing on them. So I asked them, the reply I got was that they hadn't formed the company yet. 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 29, 2016, 07:41:30 am
INDSTR LLC, sounds real ?  :)

It sounds real, and therefore it must be real because I told you that it is       ;D

Now that I am a LLC, everything that I say and do is automatically true.

Guys, forget the PGS, on July 4 to celebrate America's Independence day, I will be releasing the new "indstr gamelunatic 5000", it will actually be similar form factor to the upcoming GPD Win, but it will have a 50000 gigahertz processor, 12800x7200 resolution screen (you read that right), 32 terabytes of storage. It will also be able to connect to the internet 3, which doesn't even exist yet, and with revolutionary tueblooth technology, it will be able to communicate directly with your mind.

All this, and it will only cost $18 USD (Roughly $100 Canadian).

I'm taking preorders tomorrow. If you make a down payment of $5 before July 1st, I'll throw in a copy of E.T. for Atari 2600.

 ;D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on June 29, 2016, 08:29:31 am
I'm waiting for the gamelunatic + Half Life 3 bundle  ;)

Also, question indstr LLC.

Does the gamelunatic support quintuple processing with gigajigahurtz? or is that too much for a portable console?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: suikoden82 on June 29, 2016, 10:39:57 am
Please add virtual reality support, Nanotechnology to repair itself and solar auto rechargeble battery.
I can pay 20 euro for this :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 29, 2016, 11:03:05 am
Actually, I think they may have responded with their team is still forming rather than their company.  I had meniotned that I couldn;t find anything on their company and they responded with a comment about their team stating their team is still forming. So it's conceivable they did have a company formed, just not the team. 

Still, I can't find anything on PGSLab llc.  other than for other companies with the same name.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 29, 2016, 12:12:02 pm
Having just formed a company myself recently, I can attest it is a fairly easy process that doesn't take very long to actually get into motion. I filled out the paperwork on a Thursday and by Monday afternoon it was official.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 29, 2016, 12:16:17 pm
Having just formed a company myself recently, I can attest it is a fairly easy process that doesn't take very long to actually get into motion. I filled out the paperwork on a Thursday and by Monday afternoon it was official.

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robman2122 LLC  ?

:)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 29, 2016, 12:34:38 pm
Having just formed a company myself recently, I can attest it is a fairly easy process that doesn't take very long to actually get into motion. I filled out the paperwork on a Thursday and by Monday afternoon it was official.

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robman2122 LLC  ?

:)
Lol no, a non profit actually. My wife and I run an animal rescue.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 29, 2016, 12:43:46 pm
Having just formed a company myself recently, I can attest it is a fairly easy process that doesn't take very long to actually get into motion. I filled out the paperwork on a Thursday and by Monday afternoon it was official.

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robman2122 LLC  ?

:)
Lol no, a non profit actually. My wife and I run an animal rescue.

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That's awesome. The world needs more of the like.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 29, 2016, 12:54:04 pm



That's awesome. The world needs more of the like.

Well Thank you! It's definitely not always easy work. I can't remember the last time I had a night to myself as I'm usually doing something rescue related. Another big reason why I want a device like this to hit the market that also functions as a phone. That way I can get my gaming in short bursts while on the go but not be encumbered by extra devices/equipment in the process. Would be a godsend!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 29, 2016, 04:15:43 pm
I'm waiting for the gamelunatic + Half Life 3 bundle  ;)

Also, question indstr LLC.

Does the gamelunatic support quintuple processing with gigajigahurtz? or is that too much for a portable console?

I just got off the phone with Gabe, he confirmed that the Half Life 3 bundle will be ready by July 6. Sorry for the delay.

Re: quintuple processing, it actually has Octuple processing. In testing, we were able to get it into the gigajigahurtz range, but we had some overheating problems, so we actually had to downclock it to the gigasligahurtz. To compensate, we gave it "bang processing". It's similar to the "blast processing" they used for Sonic the Hedgehog, only 2400x faster.

Hope that answered your questions.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on June 29, 2016, 05:26:09 pm
OK guys, that's enough. I know that this thread consisted almost entirely of rumors up to this point, but can we at least keep at slightly on topic?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 29, 2016, 05:31:49 pm
OK guys, that's enough. I know that this thread consisted almost entirely of rumors up to this point, but can we at least keep at slightly on topic?
Not for nothing, but it's thinking like that, that stifles creativity. The exact kind of thinking that can tank a project like this!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on June 29, 2016, 11:27:48 pm
Hi guys. Tomorrow we will run on the KS. Please see our draft, maybe we made a mistake in the text, or missed something.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1606226331/355273044?token=f12115a8
Thank you.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on June 29, 2016, 11:35:15 pm
Hi guys. Tomorrow we will run on the KS. Please see our draft, maybe we made a mistake in the text, or missed something.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1606226331/355273044?token=f12115a8
Thank you.
Looks good so far

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on June 29, 2016, 11:43:01 pm
While not really a mistake, I don't think it's wise to show a device that clearly isn't yours on your Kickstarter page - specifically, the tablet with the clip on controller. I get the point you're trying to make, but others might not.

Also, you really have to make another promo video if you want to earn the trust of the community. Overdubbing is looked down upon.

Also, more text! You have a lot of images, but very little text that can link to your page and that can be easily quoted. I strongly suggest removing the text from the images and putting it as regular text on the page.

Good luck!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 30, 2016, 12:58:21 am
Honestly, Although I see the prototype in the KS page now, that said , everything else is the same as was months ago.  All the same errors are there that people had mentioned previously.

1)  The out of synch main video. Which by the way still shows a missleading tablet hacked open as if it were a prototype (also shown in photos)

2)  Spelling and grammar is not bad, but there still is the odd error like:

"Pledge $10 or more

BIG THANK YOU

You help to make this portable world much better. Each contributor with receive our personal “Thank you”.   

-> with should be will


3)  Use of photo realistic renders which are against KS rules.

4)  The prototype shown is no where near enough to warrant a pass form KS, it's actually orders of magnitude worse than that shown for the Laser Razer which KS booted of the site for not having an explicit enough working prototype.  It's clear in the PGS prototype that you have a foam/3D printed PGS shell with a dpad and buttons from a third party gampad horribly hacked in. You can still see the sticks on the sides from the original controller. If I'm not mistaken, that's an Ipega 9023 that you have hacked and used. You have shown basically zero HW of your prototype - the board isn't shown and you use the gamepad controls from a hacked third party controller. You make no secret of that, however, you really do need to show HW that you created.


I would strongly recommend you do the following.  Start a campaign to fund a prototype on Kickstarter. You can't offer the product as a reward, but perhaps you can offer a PGS discount voucher on any product you develop down the line - that might be ok with KS rules (youd have to check) - like $20 backer level that gets you a $20 PGS voucher.   Get something real first is the message here, then later start a campaign for the product itself

If you proceed with the KS campaign as it is now, then be prepared for a fiasco similar to what happened with the Coleco Chameleon. 

P.S  As per the Kickstarter rules :  https://www.kickstarter.com/rules/prototypes

"Don't use photorealistic renderings.
Technical drawings, CAD models, and sketches are awesome and encouraged, but photorealistic renderings that someone might mistake for a finished product are prohibited."

"Projects that involve the development of physical products must feature explicit demos of working prototypes. While you can run a project focused on the creation of a prototype, you can't offer the product that is under development as a reward."
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on June 30, 2016, 01:55:35 am
vcoleiro1 has a much firmer grasp of Kickstarter's rules than I do, so I guess he's right with this project not being Kickstarter worthy in its current form.

Also, while the current prototype has shown some promise and might've included self-made parts or board, it hasn't shown those explicitly - so vcoleiro1's assessment of them being taken from other products on the market is justified and logical. With every Kickstarter campaign comes backer scrutiny, so you should've planned ahead for that and have shown something more definitive.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on June 30, 2016, 02:24:33 am
The optimistic in me says give my money,  but the pessimistic in me is really listening to what vcoleiro1 has to say.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: XC-3730C on June 30, 2016, 02:28:52 am
I just hope this has a decent d-pad. Too many of these kids of devices have an awful d-pad.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 30, 2016, 02:34:42 am
No one's really sure on how projects get approved and launched on KS. From what I've heard there's so many projects that go live every day that there's very little oversight. You can launch a project today if you wanted to. So a lot of projects, rather than get rejected, are pulled by KS after someone flags them. Which can be very embarrassing and it's not what you want. But if they think they're ready and they're able to push the button, then go for it.

I don't think they've done enough work since they first appeared here, nor did they take many of our suggestions. Their pitch is largely unchanged and from what little we can see, so has their "prototype."
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 30, 2016, 03:13:20 am
One selling point I'd like to see is the android side of things, complete with phone capabilities. It's one thing to dual boot into android, I do it on my Asus Transformer Book all the time. It's another to have a cell modem integrated to make it work as a phone. That is the biggest allure to me with this whole project.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: XC-3730C on June 30, 2016, 03:17:43 am
Even if this (or any other Chinese tablet) had phone/data capability, I doubt in the USA that it would work on any cell carrier faster than 3G. Please correct me if I am wrong, which is why I never got a Chinese made phone, as I have AT&T.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 30, 2016, 03:28:09 am
Depends on how it's made. All the gamephones I've come across lacked in this area, which is part of the reason I never pulled the trigger and bought one. The Snail W3D (god rest it's soul) was supposed to be the answer to this problem as well, as it was designed with more than typical Chinese cell bands and frequencies in mind. There were other contributing factors at play on my decision with gamephones in the past as well that ultimately led to no purchase. Honestly, at this point, if someone could pull off a good solid phone with game controls that did everything I wanted, but could only connect at 3G speeds, I would give it serious consideration. It was have to be fairly up to date with everything though, which knocks everything that I could actually buy right now out of the running.

If all they have prototype wise is what's in that video, they definitely aren't going to get very far very fast. Hell, I've done a better job using a cheap 3D printer and modding an ipega controller into a phone case. Only thing that stopped me from finishing it was time and lack of soldering skills to fix the battery leads connecting to the circuit board. Aside from that, it was pretty much done and functioned great (until the battery disconnected of course).
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 30, 2016, 03:40:28 am
One of the things I can't get is why were they so offended by people sharing and criticizing the "first draft" of their pitch video? They're pretty much re-using that exact same video with a few more scenes of a 3d printed case added in, so why did they get so pissed off before? We didn't know it at the time but we basically were critiquing their final pitch video and most, if not all of those criticisms still stand or are now validated, depending on your previous views on the "leaked" video.

Am I the only one that thought we were going to see a completely different video remade from the ground up?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 30, 2016, 03:44:35 am
One of the things I can't get is why were they so offended by people sharing and criticizing the "first draft" of their pitch video? They're pretty much re-using the exact same video with a few more scenes of a 3d printed case added in, so why did they get so pissed off before? We didn't know it back then but we basically were criticizing their final pitch video.

Am I the only one that thought we were going to see a completely different video from the ground up?
I had certainly hoped for more than a 3d printed case with a tablet screen loosely sitting inside... I mean hey, if they want to be in the business of making custom controller cases for tablets, that's fine. But tell us that's what you're doing. Don't tout it as some new revolutionary product that will solve all the mobile gaming world's problems and make julienne fries to boot! Even if they manage to pull off the device and make it work and look nice, I want be sold until it fully functions as a phone, because otherwise, it's just a secondary device to me.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 30, 2016, 06:25:55 am
One of the things I can't get is why were they so offended by people sharing and criticizing the "first draft" of their pitch video? They're pretty much re-using that exact same video with a few more scenes of a 3d printed case added in, so why did they get so pissed off before? We didn't know it at the time but we basically were critiquing their final pitch video and most, if not all of those criticisms still stand or are now validated, depending on your previous views on the "leaked" video.

Am I the only one that thought we were going to see a completely different video remade from the ground up?

No your not the only one.  I was hoping they would have changed a lot in the KS page and added a convincing real prototype. 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on June 30, 2016, 06:29:38 am
Wait, this is gonna work as a phone too?

How's that gonna work? If somebody decides to use this as their main phone, they're never going to want to boot to Windows 10, because they might miss a call or something.

Therefore, it would be useful if they could somehow make the cell phone service work even in Windows 10 too. Is that even possible?

Edit: I just scrolled down further and read that they may support that, but only if the campaign reaches a certain goal.

Kinda lame, you would think it would be a greater selling point if they just included that from the beginning.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on June 30, 2016, 06:58:01 am
The original video showed CG renders with a disassembled tablet with iPega controls tacked on. They called that a 2 year old draft or something. Fast forward to about a month ago or a few weeks ago when they showed us the KS draft. Correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but that draft had the same damned video, but now the CG render has some kind of toon filter applied to it in what I guess was a rather lazy attempt to bypass KS's "no realistic renders" rule.
And now today, we get the almost same video again in this (likely) last draft with the CG render back in the its former glory, the disassembled tablet still existing and now we get another presumably disassembled phone or tablet sitting inside a foam or 3D-printed "case" with the "controls" sitting in and out of the "case".
Even if that were a real prototype that you really made and not another franken-type, that's really ain't enough for KS and it's definitely ain't enough for even a prototype production run, much less mass production by year's end. Even if you guys really are working on a REAL prototype, considering you're not even a company yet I would say that you're still 2 years away from being at a good enough stage to start a Kickstarter.
I apologize beforehand for the yelling I'll be doing but.....PGS, would you like to know what a ready or even almost ready prototype looks like?
#Invalid YouTube Link#

THIS IS WHAT A PROTOTYPE LOOKS LIKE.
Yes your Franken-type counts as a prototype of some form, but it ain't ready. Get to at least the stage that the Pyra was at 3 months ago before making an attempt on Kickstarter.
I want the PGS to be real, and for it to succeed, but right now it just doesn't seem to be ready for the crowdfunding stage. The Internet is much more wary of these types of things now.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 30, 2016, 07:29:40 am
I look at the PGS' behavior and it strikes me as a group of people who really want to mimic what Pandora did. They think they have it all sorted out and your money will take care of all problems along the way. But from what I'm seeing they seem destined to recreate Craig's failure rather than ED's success.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on June 30, 2016, 07:37:34 am
I see similarities with other projects also .
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: hellomoto on June 30, 2016, 02:34:11 pm
They are still listing X7 8750.  Where are they sourcing their chip?  GPD couldn't get 8550.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: chip on June 30, 2016, 03:56:55 pm
But from what I'm seeing they seem destined to recreate Craig's failure rather than ED's success.

That's very possible.  I do know that, regardless of the disaster that it turned into, Craig really did have good intentions with the pandora.  They had some really terrible luck, and it was compounded by a complete lack of experience and overabundance of optimism.

PGS though... I can't decide if they're just deluded, or if this is a straight up scam.  There's no way they can make these devices for the price listed in the time allotted, with no actual manufacturing partners or engineers and nothing like actual hardware yet in hand.  Basic box-of-parts cost would be close to their retail price, and that's before you figure in the delicate, difficult-to-engineer slider case, creating pop-up sticks from scratch, and writing all the software they're promising that will make this work.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: brushpicks11 on June 30, 2016, 05:31:53 pm
I want to buy this so bad. I already pledged to get the GPD Win because I know GPD will deliver their product. But PGS? I know nothing other than their scammer looking video and their really cool renderings.

That prototype looks like a samsung phone placed on top of a plastic mold. I will not be pledging to buy one because I don't know the rules of KS and what happens if the company doesn't deliver the product. If it does come to fruition I'll be placing an order in March till then, I am very excited for some GPD Win updates
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 30, 2016, 09:58:47 pm
According to them it's starting at 4:00pm EST so that means now we've got about two days an hour before it launches.  Anyone want to make their prediction for how much they end up raising and see who comes closest?

Lock me in at: $12,000
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 30, 2016, 10:25:02 pm
According to them it's starting at 4:00pm EST so that means now we've got about two days an hour before it launches.  Anyone want to make their prediction for how much they end up raising and see who comes closest?

Lock me in at: $12,000
I thought I saw it was launching at 6:00 PM EST? So in like half an hour?

Either way, my prediction is they will get pulled before the end of their campaign for not following kickstarter guidelines.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on June 30, 2016, 10:32:43 pm
oh shit, you're right, my bad. One hour from my post is 6:00pm EST, not 4:00pm (my time zone).


Update:

It's live- https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1606226331/portable-console-for-pc-games-pgs?token=f12115a8
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on June 30, 2016, 11:19:47 pm
Up to $7k and counting

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on June 30, 2016, 11:30:33 pm
I thought I'd back this up to get the hardcore version at $60 off, but it just raises way too many red flags as it is right now. And with their current prototype, it's really hard seeing them complete this project until March 2017 - especially if they do end up reaching some of their stretch goals, which will take more time to develop.

I guess if it is a real product, I'll just hold off until the Apollo Lake version, or get the hardcore version later.

EDIT: After an hour, it seems it has reached a quarter of its goal. I guess if Kickstarter doesn't shut it down it'll reach and exceed its goal by a large margin by the end of the campaign. Good luck PGSLab!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 01, 2016, 12:24:03 am
Assuming they don't get an avalanche of negativity - and that's not a certainty by any stretch of the imagination. Then they will reach their goal and probably hit many of their stretch goals if not all of them.

Lets face it, the device is pretty much every gamers dream device.   The only thing in their way from massive success is doubt

P.S As expected, it looks like everyone went for the hardcore version, the early bird 100 untis of the hardcore are sold out, yet zero people went for the early boird of the lite version so far
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 12:27:19 am
Assuming they don't get an avalanche of negativity - and that's not a certainty by any stretch of the imagination. Then they will reach their goal and probably hit many of their stretch goals if not all of them.

Lets face it, the device is pretty much every gamers dream device.   The only thing in their way from massive success is doubt
And a lack of actual production so far..  Can't forget that. I love the comments section where the one guy is telling everyone that they do have a prototype. I don't believe that sorry excuse of a "device" is a proven prototype worthy of kickstarter standards, as has been stated already.

I want this device to be real, but I just can't get behind it yet..  Maybe once they show a more advanced prototype I'll feel more confident.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 01, 2016, 12:29:37 am
Lock me in at: $12,000

I'm down for -$1337
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Verdugo on July 01, 2016, 12:38:15 am
If you scroll down to the bottom you can actually see a video of the second prototype playing DMC4 and dmc.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 12:40:26 am
If you scroll down to the bottom you can actually see a video of the second prototype playing DMC4 and dmc.
That's far from a prototype. From the looks of it, they have disassembled another tablet and placed it into a 3d printed case with a disassembled bluetooth controller placed in the bottom,with the pcbs still hanging off the sides.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 01, 2016, 12:44:12 am
@Verdugo

That's not anything more than a 3D printed shell with an Ipega 9023 and a cube tablet hacked inside.  They actually say that themselves above the video. So no there is no secret about it. They don't have any HW they created themselves and can pass as a prototype. Only the 3D shell

@robman2122 As I said, there's a lot you can say about this project , pretty much all of it has been said in this thread already.  It depends if it turns into an avalanche of negativity on the web or mostly excused and let go.   If not much is said it will go balistic, if things are pointed out across the web, then it could get ugly. 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 12:45:21 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/61e55cea12c5e329594ef4e567347b8e.jpg)

I can do that too! Maybe I should start a kickstarter!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on July 01, 2016, 12:50:19 am
1. Is $100,000 enough for this
2. Only $60 difference between early bird and regular price

I might wait for more.


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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 12:55:52 am
I noticed they keep changing the number of units available for the early bird pricing. It started at 100, then went to 500 and is now at 250..

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 01, 2016, 12:56:49 am
@siegel17701

I said this in a PM to someone, but IMO no , $100K is not enough , but its not the issue, the issue is that they say only 50% of the funds will be used to produce the PGS units. 

So somehow they are going to make the $280 units for $140 and the $320 units for $160.   Yeah.  I think the parts are more than that .  Lets see, as a rough guess on part costs - and this is pure conjecture

1)  $37 for the SOC
2)  $100 for the screens in the Hardcore
3)  $5 for the battery
4)  $7 for the case
5)  $40 storage and ram Hardcore
6)  $40 PCB and other components

I'm already at $229 and have missed a whole bunch of stuff like mobile comms chip (which is expensive) etc etc. I suppose my guesses would have to be way off for this to make sense, and they could be - lets just get that out there

Lets not forget the most expensive thing that needs to be amortized, ie the molds which can cost $60K to make.

You can already see the issue.  Lets not forget they have 7 people in the team but the funding breakdown provides no salary to them.   Paying staff is one fo the biggest expenses in a KS project.  It's always the biggest expense when you see where the money went in a KS project failure. Are the 7 staff volunteering their time for 3/4 of a year ?


The only saving grace is that at the bottom of the page , they say if they run out of cash, their investors will kick in the short fall.  Still , they have planned for the funds to be enough without fail safe.  So on the basis of the cost planning, I'm very sceptical.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 01, 2016, 02:00:36 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/61e55cea12c5e329594ef4e567347b8e.jpg)

I can do that too! Maybe I should start a kickstarter!

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Hey! I have that same Ipega! I only ever used it once. I think I got it a week before I ordered the GPD XD just to tide me over.

But you're welcome to join the indstr gamelunatic 5000 team. Free copy of Half Life 4 to employees only.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 02:02:56 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/61e55cea12c5e329594ef4e567347b8e.jpg)

I can do that too! Maybe I should start a kickstarter!

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Hey! I have that same Ipega! I only ever used it once. I think I got it a week before I ordered the GPD XD just to tide me over.

But you're welcome to join the indstr gamelunatic 5000 team. Free copy of Half Life 4 to employees only.
Are we guaranteed the dlc episode 5: where's my crowbar?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 01, 2016, 02:32:02 am
Are we guaranteed the dlc episode 5: where's my crowbar?

How did you find out about that!?  I mean yes.

See me in my office after your first day so we can talk about what fake information information we're allowed to mention in public.

My office is past the elevator, under the stairs, near where they keep the rat poison easy to find.

We'll be in touch!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 02:33:27 am
Are we guaranteed the dlc episode 5: where's my crowbar?

How did you find out about that!?  I mean yes.

See me in my office after your first day so we can talk about what fake information information we're allowed to mention in public.

My office is past the elevator, under the stairs, near where they keep the rat poison easy to find.

We'll be in touch!
Awww crap. Now I have to face the wrath of Lord indstren!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 01, 2016, 03:36:06 am
Did they change their goal?? I could swear it was $110k when they showed the pre-launch draft.

I'm surprised they've raised so much. It's going to be interesting to follow.

Remember guys, for just $1 you can comment with the backers and laugh when this fails.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 04:36:09 am
So what happens if they reach their goal and someone reports them to KS for not following the rules? Do they lose all those funds then? It would be a shitty thing to happen as it would most likely tank the project for good then. And yes @pardue they were at $110k on the draft page. Must have changed it before they went live.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 01, 2016, 04:50:36 am
The Skarp Laser Razor which got to over $4 Million and was still going, was pulled by Kickstarter for not having an explicit enough prototype.   The campaign was canceled, they don't get the cash, plus it lost them a ton of credibility.  They relaunched on Indiegogo and only managed to get a tenth of what they had got on KS.   

Mind you , there's a lot to be said about those guys and that product
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 01, 2016, 07:11:59 am
Mind you , there's a lot to be said about those guys and that product

Good or bad?

I went to their indiegogo and found this...

(https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1444711367/wxdm1hyh8j97nn0kt7w6.png)

One of their team members has a huge beard.

Does not instill confidence   :)    And that's coming from somebody (me) who usually has a beard.    :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 01, 2016, 12:40:12 pm
@siegel17701

I said this in a PM to someone, but IMO no , $100K is not enough , but its not the issue, the issue is that they say only 50% of the funds will be used to produce the PGS units. 

So somehow they are going to make the $280 units for $140 and the $320 units for $160.   Yeah.  I think the parts are more than that .  Lets see, as a rough guess on part costs - and this is pure conjecture

1)  $37 for the SOC
2)  $100 for the screens in the Hardcore
3)  $5 for the battery
4)  $7 for the case
5)  $40 storage and ram Hardcore
6)  $40 PCB and other components

I'm already at $229 and have missed a whole bunch of stuff like mobile comms chip (which is expensive) etc etc. I suppose my guesses would have to be way off for this to make sense, and they could be - lets just get that out there

Lets not forget the most expensive thing that needs to be amortized, ie the molds which can cost $60K to make.

You can already see the issue.  Lets not forget they have 7 people in the team but the funding breakdown provides no salary to them.   Paying staff is one fo the biggest expenses in a KS project.  It's always the biggest expense when you see where the money went in a KS project failure. Are the 7 staff volunteering their time for 3/4 of a year ?


The only saving grace is that at the bottom of the page , they say if they run out of cash, their investors will kick in the short fall.  Still , they have planned for the funds to be enough without fail safe.  So on the basis of the cost planning, I'm very sceptical.
Nah screens are a fraction of that price we have cheap 70 euro phones on banggood with these 1080P+ screens.
I think a big order these screens are dirt cheap (haven't checked Panelook but yeah Bob is your uncle)

Quite surprised to see so much money thrown into something that is so half baked. I personally did some 3d printing simple autodesk(model) -> Cura(gcode) -> printing and it was less crusty than their prototype shell. I'm not even a industrial designer or anything I'm just a physicist that occasionally uses a portal mill for custom parts.

Going by the video there is hardware outside the case, there is backlight bleed and the fillets seem to be a different radius compared to the 3d renders.

I will buy this device if it goes into retail and comes close to the early renders we saw. (which of course were gorgeous) I won't back a campaign unless I'm sure I'll get one obviously.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 01, 2016, 01:02:10 pm
@maarten12100

Remember , the screen is not a 1080p standard screen in the hardcore version, it's 1440p .  It's basically top of the line. Plus then of course there is the second screen.  Have a look at modern smartphone cost breakdowns with similar screens. The screens are the most expensive item by a long way. 

To quote PGS themselves: The PGS 5.7" display is one of the best QHD displays on the market.

Also, these guys wont be anywhere close to constituting a big order. There goal of $100K only required 400 backers.
They may end up with a few thousand if they are lucky.  Hardly the 10's or 100's of thousands needed for a large order.  They will get very little if not zero discounts on the screens





Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 01:50:21 pm
The other thing to keep in mind with this, and please remember to take this with a grain (or ton of salt). The original story went that they had an investor that was going to back them but backed down after their original "prototype" video made its rounds on the Web. According to PGS, the investor said they need to see what kind of interest is out there by running a kickstarter first. For all we know, there could still be an investor willing to dump exorbitant amounts of money into this project provided they see a justifiable interest thru the kickstarter, which in theory, could allow them to start into mass production, making way more than the number for backers on kickstarter. This could also explain their lack of following the kickstarter guidelines in hopes that even if they get pulled, the interest will still be there and the investor will still fund them.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: chip on July 01, 2016, 02:05:47 pm
there could still be an investor willing to dump exorbitant amounts of money into this project provided they see a justifiable interest

To what end?  Unless it's a rich weirdo that is looking to throw money away for the lulz, what would be the benefit to an investor for funding this device?  It's not like they could ever make any of that money back, what with every unit being sold at a sizable loss.  If this "investor" actually exists, he's being scammed as hard as all the KS backers.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 02:13:52 pm
there could still be an investor willing to dump exorbitant amounts of money into this project provided they see a justifiable interest

To what end?  Unless it's a rich weirdo that is looking to throw money away for the lulz, what would be the benefit to an investor for funding this device?  It's not like they could ever make any of that money back, what with every unit being sold at a sizable loss.  If this "investor" actually exists, he's being scammed as hard as all the KS backers.
Odds are that after KS, if they actually succeed at their goals, the pricing will go up. I'd say probably around $350 to be more realistic, although in one of their official statements, they said the special discount on KS is $60 off retail which would put it at the $320 mark (where the secondary backer option  is). I'm just as skeptical as the rest of us and wouldn't throw any money down until after a successful production and reviews are made by legitimate sources. I'm just weighing all the possibilities right now and trying to be a little optimistic that something will come out of this. At the moment it appears they are hocking nothing more than jars of air and snake oil.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 01, 2016, 02:24:08 pm
That's not the complete story though.  The complete story is they have been working on this for 2 years (And still don't have a prototype)  and were going to do a Kickstarter. They had a draft KS page done and ready. Then they found an investor. That investor saw the draft KS page that PGS showed (or via that assholewho leaked it - in their words) . Having then seen the KS draft page, the investor thought it might be a good idea to go that route to gauge interest before plunging their dollars in. Now they are back to where they started , ie Kickstarter

The Investor is supposedly still there  , and if you read the risks section of the KS page , it has this line:

"Preliminary agreements with independent investors guarantee us proper realization of the project, even in case if there are any additional expenses due to various reasons. "

Note the word - Preliminary
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 02:27:09 pm
Ah, nice points there. I forgot they've been "working on it"  for 2 years. I keep thinking they're not that invested time wise since nobody has heard of them before a couple months ago.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 01, 2016, 02:31:56 pm
@maarten12100

Remember , the screen is not a 1080p standard screen in the hardcore version, it's 1440p .  It's basically top of the line. Plus then of course there is the second screen.  Have a look at modern smartphone cost breakdowns with similar screens. The screens are the most expensive item by a long way. 

To quote PGS themselves: The PGS 5.7" display is one of the best QHD displays on the market.

Also, these guys wont be anywhere close to constituting a big order. There goal of $100K only required 400 backers.
They may end up with a few thousand if they are lucky.  Hardly the 10's or 100's of thousands needed for a large order.  They will get very little if not zero discounts on the screens
http://www.banggood.com/LETV-LeEco-LE1-PRO-X800-5_5-Inch-2K-Screen-4GB-RAM-64GB-ROM-Snapdragon-810-4G-Smartphone-p-1056505.html
All the difference in terms of HW between this and the Pro/hardcore PGS device would instead of Qualcomm SoC they have a Intel SoC, pieces of plastic (high initial cost low cost per unit), extra screen and some controls.

Most parts are cheap since GPD can make a profit on the GPD xD which is 140 dollar/euros I don't see how making a slightly nicer device for twice the price couldn't yield a profit. (Better screen, perhaps controls, extra screen, LTE module, x86 SoC, some extra ram and rom)

It's all a matter of scale if they are going to sell 10.000 or more of these they might be able to do it for that price while still turning a profit. If they really want to they can also use B or B-- panels. (pixels with like 5 or more dead pixels)


Here another taobao link to a cheap 1440P phone
https://world.taobao.com/item/524369728453.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.49heqM#detail (140 USD)

Even top end brands offer 1440P phones starting at 230 euros here in NL. They have 40-60 procent profit margins in general. I think the screen in bulk will cost anywhere from 40 to 60 euros for a nice Sharp one.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on July 01, 2016, 03:03:19 pm
I wrote them and they said $320 is the final price. I take it as you will. I

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 01, 2016, 03:09:54 pm
I wrote them and they said $320 is the final price. I take it as you will. I

*** In Search of the All In One Device ***
Sounds more legit than their original estimate.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 01, 2016, 05:54:01 pm
PGS has reached its goal. They have 29 days until the project is approved by Kickstarter, but they have made the first big leap.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: XC-3730C on July 01, 2016, 06:02:39 pm
Wow, $320...

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on July 01, 2016, 07:05:31 pm
Wow, $320...

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The dual screens are the only gotcha on the pricing. Its a great deal for us on what they’re offering but the margins at that volume have to be pretty thin. Especially when you consider any marked packaging per unit...

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 01, 2016, 09:10:43 pm
PGS has reached its goal. They have 29 days until the project is approved by Kickstarter, but they have made the first big leap.

Against all odds.    ;)

Fortunately, the indstr LLC gamelunatic 5000 also met our crowdfunding goal of 2.5 million just last night. I don't need to send you the crowdfunding link since it's already wrapped up. Stay tuned for that July 4 release! Pre orders before Sunday will also receive a free copy of Commander Keen for DOS on the original floppy disks, signed by John Carmack.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 09:28:26 pm
PGS has reached its goal. They have 29 days until the project is approved by Kickstarter, but they have made the first big leap.

Against all odds.    ;)

Fortunately, the indstr LLC gamelunatic 5000 also met our crowdfunding goal of 2.5 million just last night. I don't need to send you the crowdfunding link since it's already wrapped up. Stay tuned for that July 4 release! Pre orders before Sunday will also receive a free copy of Commander Keen for DOS on the original floppy disks, signed by John Carmack.
Aren't you going to tell them about the early backer special? You know, the one where those who opt for a July 3rd release will get a completely blank game lunatic with external floppy drive and a Windows 10 installation of floppys?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 01, 2016, 10:06:16 pm
Aren't you going to tell them about the early backer special? You know, the one where those who opt for a July 3rd release will get a completely blank game lunatic with external floppy drive and a Windows 10 installation of floppys?

Thanks for reminding me dude. It comes with 3640 floppies. Bonus, it's a bluetooth 3.5" floppy drive.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 10:08:00 pm
Aren't you going to tell them about the early backer special? You know, the one where those who opt for a July 3rd release will get a completely blank game lunatic with external floppy drive and a Windows 10 installation of floppys?

Thanks for reminding me dude. It comes with 3640 floppies. Bonus, it's a bluetooth 3.5" floppy drive.

Enjoy!
We upgraded to bluetooth? I thought we agreed on an infrared connection?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 01, 2016, 11:33:43 pm
We upgraded to bluetooth? I thought we agreed on an infrared connection?

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg)

infrared was only for the "lite" version which I was not mentioning because 90% of the test units caught on fire is only $17 instead of $18 for the "pro" version.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 01, 2016, 11:53:06 pm
You say caught fire. I say built in hand warmer!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 02, 2016, 12:52:51 am
You say caught fire. I say built in hand warmer!

That's positive marketing right there! I like the way you think. You're going places, kid!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on July 02, 2016, 01:05:59 am
So other than GPD is a proven company, what is the difference between them and PGS?  Is it just the fear of the unknown?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 02, 2016, 01:16:13 am
The GPD XD is a far less ambitious project, and their crowdfunding campaign was a thinly veiled cheap preorder site.

On the contrary, GPD is a trusted company with a very clear (and unchangeable) product idea from the start, while this is way more malleable and risky, as evidenced by the previous prototypes and test devices.

They both have their flaws, but it can be summed up by this: with GPD you know what you're going to get. With this, you aren't.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on July 02, 2016, 01:25:52 am
All the doom and gloom is definitely scaring me from contributing

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 02, 2016, 01:31:14 am
All the doom and gloom is definitely scaring me from contributing

Just wait until after March and see if there are any real reviews online, and make sure they don't have undocumented features like built in handwarmers after the first 2 hours of gameplay. Then get one.    ;)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 02, 2016, 01:49:58 am
So other than GPD is a proven company, what is the difference between them and PGS?  Is it just the fear of the unknown?

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If you were to look at GPD's Indiegogo page , it's a shocker. They have a lot of broken english in it, they don't have a prototype , and the cherry on top that no one has mentioned that still baffles me to this day - In the opening video on their campaign page, they have a random spanish guy who reported on the GPD WIN. If you think about it, it was totally ridiculous. 

That said, the GPD campaign was on Indiegogo which doesn;t require a working prototype or prohibit realistic rendors.   GPD was also a known company which was their saving grace.  Otherwise, that campaign would have been ripped to shreds

PGS on the other hand are completely unknown and have no record that we know, of ever having created anything in the past.   They are on KS which has rules against photo realistic rendors and they require explicit working prototypes. Plus there plans seem very unrealistic 

By the way, I found the Detroit company listing for PGS :  http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_llc.asp?id_nbr=E7561M&name_entity=PGS%20LAB%20LLC
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 02, 2016, 02:07:32 am

By the way, I found the Detroit company listing for PGS :  http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_llc.asp?id_nbr=E7561M&name_entity=PGS%20LAB%20LLC

So it appears they are a legitimate company. At least in the eyes of the state of Michigan. Only time will tell if they are truly legit. that KS promo video still irks me something fierce though...
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 02, 2016, 04:40:32 pm
No news about PGS today?

No problem. indstr LLC brings an update about the gamelunatic 5000...

Unlike other companies who use fake photorealistic renders of their product, indstr LLC has the highest integrity and only presents you an actual photograph of our actual product

(http://i.imgur.com/ofi2j9t.png)

Much high quality gaming content is to be had very soon!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on July 03, 2016, 02:17:19 am
Is anyone else not convinced on their "prototype"? An awful lot of offscreen controlling was being done.  And what about the complete lack of a functional gamepad?

Queued up:
https://youtu.be/KtRBEFPSMU4?t=106

Thats either the loudest F'ing gamepad I've ever heard, or someone is trying to sync the button pressing "gesture" to a keyboard in the background.  Lol.  Faking anything about your prototype is an instant red flag.  Could be my paranoia, but wtf  is the point of a prototype video that doesn't show the prototype doing anything?  Unless its to trick us into thinking the prototype does something when its really just for show. 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 03, 2016, 02:39:14 am
Is anyone else not convinced on their "prototype"? An awful lot of offscreen controlling was being done.  And what about the complete lack of a functional gamepad?

Queued up:
https://youtu.be/KtRBEFPSMU4?t=106

Thats either the loudest F'ing gamepad I've ever heard, or someone is trying to sync the button pressing "gesture" to a keyboard in the background.  Lol.  Faking anything about your prototype is an instant red flag.  Could be my paranoia, but wtf  is the point of a prototype video that doesn't show the prototype doing anything?  Unless its to trick us into thinking the prototype does something when its really just for show.

They don't have any prototype. What they have is a 3D printed shell with controls from an Ipega 9023 hacked in, it's all connected to a surface 3 or Cube tablet.  They say that themselves. ie Not conjecture. 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 03, 2016, 04:15:13 am
Is anyone else not convinced on their "prototype"? An awful lot of offscreen controlling was being done.  And what about the complete lack of a functional gamepad?

Queued up:
https://youtu.be/KtRBEFPSMU4?t=106

Thats either the loudest F'ing gamepad I've ever heard, or someone is trying to sync the button pressing "gesture" to a keyboard in the background.  Lol.  Faking anything about your prototype is an instant red flag.  Could be my paranoia, but wtf  is the point of a prototype video that doesn't show the prototype doing anything?  Unless its to trick us into thinking the prototype does something when its really just for show.

Wow. Good observation! It sounds an awful lot like an IBM model M keyboard. There is no way the hacked up ipega d-pad makes that much noise, as it should have those quiet "membrane" type switches underneath.

They don't have any prototype. What they have is a 3D printed shell with controls from an Ipega 9023 hacked in, it's all connected to a surface 3 or Cube tablet.  They say that themselves. ie Not conjecture.

All the more disturbing. They can't even make a functional "frankentype".

I can assure you the gamelunatic is going to have no such fakery or problems.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 03, 2016, 04:23:29 am
If you watch it carefully, the key noises don't even correspond exactly with the d-pad being pressed. I could probably analyze it further and confirm with virtualdub or something but I'm not even going to waste the time.

Most likely this guy was doing it:

(http://i.imgur.com/v1JS7O7.png)

And he had his left hand on the frankentype and his right hand on the IBM Model M keyboard.

Pro tip: You probably want to not use an extremely loud keyboard for your fake videos.

P.S... I've given that guy a name. I'm going to call him Ricardo from now on. That's probably not his real name, but he looks like a Ricardo to me.

Edit: On July 18 I edited this post. Apparently I originally called him "Roberto" but later forgot and started calling him "Ricardo". His de-facto name is Ricardo now, so I have just edited this post for clarity.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: XC-3730C on July 03, 2016, 04:35:00 am
He looks more like a Parker, or Wendell
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 03, 2016, 04:50:01 am
He looks more like a Parker, or Wendell
I know I called their 3d printed shell "crusty" before but do we really need to talk about things like sleazy marketing dubbed videos. And thing like the Indstr ultra awsoem game console. I expect the crowdfund to slow down generally but we can be certain that by the end of the month they'll have at least 250k. (150k already)

The money thrown is crazy did people already forget about Smach?!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 03, 2016, 05:08:48 am
Soooo... Whose gonna be the asshole *clears throat* I mean hero who reports their page to kickstarter for violating the rules and saves everyone from throwing money into the incinerator?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 03, 2016, 05:26:17 am
And thing like the Indstr ultra awsoem game console.

I'm just entertaining myself    ;D

If it's really that unwelcome here I can start a separate thread
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 03, 2016, 05:47:36 am
And thing like the Indstr ultra awsoem game console.

I'm just entertaining myself    ;D

If it's really that unwelcome here I can start a separate thread
Be sure to tag me and any of your other associates if you do! We haven't seen a launch this big since the release of ET on the atari 2600! We're sure to move millions of game lunatics!

On a more serious note though, it seems like some of the backers are catching on in the comments on kickstarter. Some users are asking the tougher technical questions and some of those seem to be ignored outright or receive the same canned response over and over again.

Others are getting them to show that they are in over their heads if they are legit. At one point, someone asked what frequencies the cell modem would operate on and once they answered, the user pointed out none of them aligned with the US market at all (where approx half their backers are coming from at this point) and their response was that they are "considering" a second model for the Americas. Not what I'd want to hear as a backer. I'd expect them to have that sorted out from the get go, especially since they are registered in Detroit.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 03, 2016, 06:21:52 am
This response seems to create more questions than it answers

"Our company is registered in Detroit. We are planning to rent an office there after the end of the campaign, and to move there. Forgive my poor English, I was born in Russia, and not very good in speaking English. English-speaking part of our team is now in China, and working with our manufacturing partners. "

As for the telescopic sticks, they say they are going to mechanical and they will be creating the mechanism for them to rise. Hmmm,
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on July 03, 2016, 08:56:27 am
Is anyone else not convinced on their "prototype"? An awful lot of offscreen controlling was being done.  And what about the complete lack of a functional gamepad?

Queued up:
https://youtu.be/KtRBEFPSMU4?t=106

Thats either the loudest F'ing gamepad I've ever heard, or someone is trying to sync the button pressing "gesture" to a keyboard in the background.  Lol.  Faking anything about your prototype is an instant red flag.  Could be my paranoia, but wtf  is the point of a prototype video that doesn't show the prototype doing anything?  Unless its to trick us into thinking the prototype does something when its really just for show.

They don't have any prototype. What they have is a 3D printed shell with controls from an Ipega 9023 hacked in, it's all connected to a surface 3 or Cube tablet.  They say that themselves. ie Not conjecture.
I would feel better about that if they didn’t have a prototype video clearly labeled on the campain page showing a single screen lookalikeish device they are demoing. Its pure fraud. If they don’t have a real prototype then the campaign should be terminated. If that’s the prototype then why are they misrepresenting its capabilities? They don’t have to at this stage. The fact that they are should scare any backers right out of their payment.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 03, 2016, 09:06:38 am
Is anyone else not convinced on their "prototype"? An awful lot of offscreen controlling was being done.  And what about the complete lack of a functional gamepad?

Queued up:
https://youtu.be/KtRBEFPSMU4?t=106

Thats either the loudest F'ing gamepad I've ever heard, or someone is trying to sync the button pressing "gesture" to a keyboard in the background.  Lol.  Faking anything about your prototype is an instant red flag.  Could be my paranoia, but wtf  is the point of a prototype video that doesn't show the prototype doing anything?  Unless its to trick us into thinking the prototype does something when its really just for show.

They don't have any prototype. What they have is a 3D printed shell with controls from an Ipega 9023 hacked in, it's all connected to a surface 3 or Cube tablet.  They say that themselves. ie Not conjecture.
I would feel better about that if they didn’t have a prototype video clearly labeled on the campain page showing a single screen lookalikeish device they are demoing. Its pure fraud. If they don’t have a real prototype then the campaign should be terminated. If that’s the prototype then why are they misrepresenting its capabilities? They don’t have to at this stage. The fact that they are should scare any backers right out of their payment.

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They believe using other products (ipega gamepad + Surface cube tablet) to show as they have , constitutes a prototype.  ie, us and them have different definitions of what a prototype is.   

Looks like they updated their KS page and replaced the photo realistic renders with images that seem to have a scetch filter applied - ie so they are not photo realistic anymore

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 03, 2016, 12:37:50 pm
Is anyone else not convinced on their "prototype"? An awful lot of offscreen controlling was being done.  And what about the complete lack of a functional gamepad?

Queued up:
https://youtu.be/KtRBEFPSMU4?t=106

Thats either the loudest F'ing gamepad I've ever heard, or someone is trying to sync the button pressing "gesture" to a keyboard in the background.  Lol.  Faking anything about your prototype is an instant red flag.  Could be my paranoia, but wtf  is the point of a prototype video that doesn't show the prototype doing anything?  Unless its to trick us into thinking the prototype does something when its really just for show.

They don't have any prototype. What they have is a 3D printed shell with controls from an Ipega 9023 hacked in, it's all connected to a surface 3 or Cube tablet.  They say that themselves. ie Not conjecture.
I would feel better about that if they didn’t have a prototype video clearly labeled on the campain page showing a single screen lookalikeish device they are demoing. Its pure fraud. If they don’t have a real prototype then the campaign should be terminated. If that’s the prototype then why are they misrepresenting its capabilities? They don’t have to at this stage. The fact that they are should scare any backers right out of their payment.

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They believe using other products (ipega gamepad + Surface cube tablet) to show as they have , constitutes a prototype.  ie, us and them have different definitions of what a prototype is.   

Looks like they updated their KS page and replaced the photo realistic renders with images that seem to have a scetch filter applied - ie so they are not photo realistic anymore

They applied the sketch filter as you call it even to the list with specs

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/012/940/960/acfc418e8061d4b3946b09ebb7fa31fe_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1467532657&auto=format&lossless=true&s=6e0c77bbcd2a59d80c7c3d9a9ed2a2da)

Unprofessional to not at least check after making such big changes.

Original:
(https://rm-content.s3.amazonaws.com/5644b27ba875e7240fbcd217/437374/upload-3f879700-9214-11e5-9acb-fb4e9ba4c5d0.png)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 03, 2016, 12:45:28 pm
Well, that gets them around the first KS rule they were breaking ie "use of photo realistic renders are strictly prohibited"

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 03, 2016, 12:46:35 pm
Is anyone else not convinced on their "prototype"? An awful lot of offscreen controlling was being done.  And what about the complete lack of a functional gamepad?

Queued up:
https://youtu.be/KtRBEFPSMU4?t=106

Thats either the loudest F'ing gamepad I've ever heard, or someone is trying to sync the button pressing "gesture" to a keyboard in the background.  Lol.  Faking anything about your prototype is an instant red flag.  Could be my paranoia, but wtf  is the point of a prototype video that doesn't show the prototype doing anything?  Unless its to trick us into thinking the prototype does something when its really just for show.

They don't have any prototype. What they have is a 3D printed shell with controls from an Ipega 9023 hacked in, it's all connected to a surface 3 or Cube tablet.  They say that themselves. ie Not conjecture.
I would feel better about that if they didn’t have a prototype video clearly labeled on the campain page showing a single screen lookalikeish device they are demoing. Its pure fraud. If they don’t have a real prototype then the campaign should be terminated. If that’s the prototype then why are they misrepresenting its capabilities? They don’t have to at this stage. The fact that they are should scare any backers right out of their payment.

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They believe using other products (ipega gamepad + Surface cube tablet) to show as they have , constitutes a prototype.  ie, us and them have different definitions of what a prototype is.   

Looks like they updated their KS page and replaced the photo realistic renders with images that seem to have a scetch filter applied - ie so they are not photo realistic anymore

They applied the sketch filter as you call it even to the list with specs

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/012/940/960/acfc418e8061d4b3946b09ebb7fa31fe_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1467532657&auto=format&lossless=true&s=6e0c77bbcd2a59d80c7c3d9a9ed2a2da)

Unprofessional to not at least check after making such big changes.

Original:
(https://rm-content.s3.amazonaws.com/5644b27ba875e7240fbcd217/437374/upload-3f879700-9214-11e5-9acb-fb4e9ba4c5d0.png)
Someone else brought up a minor but interesting point of how do they have an office space in the video if they haven't rented an office yet according to their answers to questions. And others keep pressuring them to show team members with a bio for each and the such, which they keep avoiding. I guess the Nigerian prince doesn't want to release his bio until after he's secured all that backer money.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 03, 2016, 12:51:21 pm
I doubt that's them in the video.  My impression was that video showed a bunch of actors. 
Also, they told me they had 7 members in the team. The video shows 14 people in the end group shot.  Now they did tell me they had other members in the past, so there's that.

Mind you, this is my conjecture and I could be totally wrong .  Did you hear that indstr :)

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 03, 2016, 12:54:21 pm
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/012/941/069/9a31902a03fa1aa5c88ba4468a2d9ea1_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1467534564&auto=format&lossless=true&s=73fc971714fc8775f171ca8083ed6d91)
I'm at this point quite skeptical. The touchscreen doesn't work since they use a mouse in the video only. (they have a tablet board and use some 5.7 inch screen connected through probably eDP (Displayport with proprietary connector) all they had to do was connect the screen to some USB bus  (for which there are obviously headers/pins since the board is a tablet board)

Luckily it seems like others will donate so much money that I can just wait for this to unfold be it in what I want or just flopping leaving all backers angry and sad. We'll see.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 03, 2016, 01:05:13 pm
@maarten12100
Only at this point are you very skeptical :p

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 03, 2016, 01:12:09 pm
@maarten12100
Only at this point are you very skeptical :p
I want to believe obviously but common sense skepticism pulls me down, back to earth.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 03, 2016, 01:16:30 pm
@maarten12100
Only at this point are you very skeptical :p
I want to believe obviously but common sense skepticism pulls me down, back to earth.

It's one those ones you really want to be true, but deep down you know , well, you know.

The only way they can make this happen IMO, is if their supposed investor puts down some serious cash to subsidize it.
 



Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 03, 2016, 06:05:13 pm
It's one those ones you really want to be true, but deep down you know , well, you know.
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I think you're right. Intuition, gut feeling, whatever you want to call it. Many of us are having red flags about this situation and I think that's not insignificant.

But.... Maybe Ricardo will come through for us.

(http://i.imgur.com/v1JS7O7.png)

Those eyes... Those eyes dude. They can see right through your soul.

I don't know whether to trust them or run far, far away.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: leafar on July 03, 2016, 06:24:59 pm
I don't want to discourage PGSlab people's, but it's hard to believe, even that I want to.
They didn't show nothing yet specific, physical, I don't want to see pictures, show me a real prototype. A small device like that, like they said can do everything mentions from them in Intel SoC it's hard to believe.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DroidX2 on July 03, 2016, 07:24:14 pm
There isn't ANYONE in the gaming phone biz seems like since Snail went mum, so I REALLY want to see this succeed! I appreciate the communication coming from the company, keep that flowing. Hopefully, in time, things start looking more official.


Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on July 04, 2016, 04:06:59 am
Don't be a fool DroidX2.  Cautiously optimistic.  Even with whats shown now, there's 0 chance of a spring 2017 delivery date.  This isn't GPD, a seasoned handheld maker with a long chain of supply, and manufacturing connections.  This is a random kickstarter startup led by the Russian wolf of Russian Wallstreet.  I would have said this is going to be a flop, if it weren't pretty clear at this point that the jig is a KS cash grab. My money's on scam now, 100%.  Who wants to put up a voting board for this, we'll make it into a bet!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Willburn on July 04, 2016, 07:01:10 am
Don't be a fool DroidX2.  Cautiously optimistic.  Even with whats shown now, there's 0 chance of a spring 2017 delivery date.  This isn't GPD, a seasoned handheld maker with a long chain of supply, and manufacturing connections.  This is a random kickstarter startup led by the Russian wolf of Russian Wallstreet.  I would have said this is going to be a flop, if it weren't pretty clear at this point that the jig is a KS cash grab. My money's on scam now, 100%.  Who wants to put up a voting board for this, we'll make it into a bet!

Agreed, it's a scam.
And a very obvious one at that...
I am actually quite surprised at how well their Kickstarter is doing.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 04, 2016, 12:39:45 pm
I'm not sure what it is, could be a group of uni guys fresh out of earning their degrees who had a passion for creating this device.   Who knows.

It does get to me to see backers  commenting on the PGS KS page with things like, I got burned on the Agent Smart watch, so I hope I don't get burned on this too. 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 04, 2016, 09:31:34 pm
They just updated:
Quote
Good news. We received a message from the Principal Engineer of the performance Lab of Intel Corporation.

They see an opportunity to assist us in the development. 

Does anyone know if such a thing exists? I did a search and saw that two years ago Intel invested in a New Zealand company called Performance Lab but I can't find any reference to Intel ever having an internal department called "the performance lab". I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but wanted to check here first.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 04, 2016, 09:38:51 pm
Does anyone know if such a thing exists? I did a search and saw that two years ago Intel invested in a New Zealand company called Performance Lab but I can't find any reference to Intel ever having an internal department called "the performance lab". I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but wanted to check here first.

You should do a little independent research.

Intel corporate headquarters phone number:

(408) 765-8080

Call to the operator and say something like "Hey this is Bill from HP, can you put me through to the performance lab?".

 ;D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 05, 2016, 12:07:12 am
@Pardue


Can I ask, do you also go by the username NoFaceNico on NeoGaf and Kickstarter?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 05, 2016, 12:55:18 am
^ sure do  :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 05, 2016, 12:59:49 am
@Pardue


Hmmm, what was with that exchange with a KS backer the other day.   A little harsh , bad day?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 05, 2016, 01:29:52 am
Nah, just wanted to stir the pot. I'll be doing a lot more of it too. It's really hard for creators to delete backer comments on kickstarter. As long as Yertle can still post, I have no worries.

My comments are harsh but I stand by them. I usually try to take a stand against deceptive crowdfunding schemes but this one is so blatantly obvious that these backers need to learn a harsh life lesson. I seriously want this project to succeed, no joke there. Think of it this way- I know you feel it has many similarities to the Coleco Chameleon project but that never had the chance to get funded, this one does. It sparks my curiosity, I know it's going to fail just like the Chameleon would have predictably failed but this time we get to watch it play out after they get the money. It's going to be one hell of a sight to see.

And I even want to see the PGS guys get away with it. Imagine if they do, sure a couple scumbags will get richer but think of the added rules and protection we could see on the site as a result. In that sense, this project has the chance of making something good. The backers only have themselves to blame so I don't care if their money disappears it's $1 well spent for me. So yes, I don't want to see the project pulled, I want to see what happens. I want them to get away with it and see how it affects the future of these pie-in-the-sky hardware projects that have no prototype.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DroidX2 on July 05, 2016, 04:55:35 am
Don't be a fool DroidX2.  Cautiously optimistic.  Even with whats shown now, there's 0 chance of a spring 2017 delivery date.  This isn't GPD, a seasoned handheld maker with a long chain of supply, and manufacturing connections.  This is a random kickstarter startup led by the Russian wolf of Russian Wallstreet.  I would have said this is going to be a flop, if it weren't pretty clear at this point that the jig is a KS cash grab. My money's on scam now, 100%.  Who wants to put up a voting board for this, we'll make it into a bet!

Lol! Yeah, this is about as bad as when you get one of those emails that ask, if you send us 500 dollars, we will send you 50,000 dollars! I'm not that desperate, lol! Honestly, I can rant on this, and I got a whole lot to say just about the KS Video, but to say the least, and I'm keeping calm, but there's too much tech out there to generate an internet scam of this magnitude.

I'm waiting for the irrefutable proof that it is not a scam. Then I'm waiting until the proof is proven real. In its current form, I would rather wait on Snail to release the W3D.

From day one this sounded too good to be true because if it was possible, the money they are requesting is a drop in the hat for any big name company to come in and do this without taking a loss.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 05, 2016, 11:36:43 pm
On a plus side, they finally said (via Kickstarter comments) that they're thinking of doing a survey on whether to switch the left analog and d-pad positions...

That's basically all I can seem to add to the conversation till new news comes out or March comes round, everything else has kinda been said. :-\
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 06, 2016, 12:03:28 am
Well, it looks like the Principal Engineer at Intel really is in communications with them and has offered to help tune performance with the PGS. Color me surprised.

https://twitter.com/FPiednoel/status/750012703628926976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


They have also added some new stretch goals

https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/01...sless=true&s=40252e6772790f2984cce235a7ae3232

You are in the early stages of talking to Intel who have offered to help, yet you add a strecth goal to maybe use an AMD chip. Oh boy.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 06, 2016, 12:51:33 am
Well, AMD has more powerful built-in GPUs, so it kind of makes sense. I think they marked it as their fall-back plan if they have enough money and Intel doesn't allow GPU overclock.
To be honest, though, it's kind of a bad idea. AMD's CPUs generate more heat and take more power to run.

Anyway, it seems like it isn't an outright scam, because they are going extra miles for some things. I guess that at worst they are incompetent and way over their heads. Kind of comforting, but still isn't enough to push me to become a backer.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 06, 2016, 04:14:03 am
So at least ONE of their claims turned out to be true. Now if they really want more backers they really need to show that they can actually build a real device, instead of just showing other devices stripped down.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 06, 2016, 01:38:15 pm
Well, AMD has more powerful built-in GPUs, so it kind of makes sense. I think they marked it as their fall-back plan if they have enough money and Intel doesn't allow GPU overclock.
To be honest, though, it's kind of a bad idea. AMD's CPUs generate more heat and take more power to run.

Anyway, it seems like it isn't an outright scam, because they are going extra miles for some things. I guess that at worst they are incompetent and way over their heads. Kind of comforting, but still isn't enough to push me to become a backer.
Obviously what they are getting at with AMD must be a semi custom Zen + Greenland (or whatever they call their gpu arch nowadays) semi custom device. I think Kaby lake is more viable considering the short time frame but maybe if they succeed and a V2 is made AMD might be an option.

We still have no idea how Zen performs and how much power it uses at the specific 14nm node it will be built on. We don't really know what efficiency they can get with Greenland thus far I'm not impressed at all with the RX 480. But there is some hope since the RX 480 was meant to be a value card rather than a super efficient one.

Polaris 11 (small die) will hopefully have at least Nvidia's current efficiency beat otherwise even in an SoC design I don't see an AMD APU with 2 Zen cores and ~8 Greenland CUs as being really viable.
We should not forget that Intel will also be launching Apollo lake(atom garbage) and Kaby lake(big core master race) the V2 may be even further away though and could possibly have cannon lake.

I'm a little more optimistic than I was before. We will see how this ends.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 06, 2016, 02:18:47 pm
There are way to many questions for me about this.   There would be a long list.

1)  Only 5% of funds to pay their staff salaries for the 9 month duration of the campaign and all other operational expenses

2)  Is the Industrial prototype funds allowance, to cater for the creation of molds?. 

3)  They knew photo realistic renders were against KS rules and that they needed an explicit working prototype.  Yet they went ahead and violated those rules anyway. Then days later, they changed the images with a sketch filter.

4)  They are going to build a mechanism (more molds needed?) to raise the analog sticks.  All in a depth space of ~14mm .

5)  I'm guessing they are oversees and are not where the company is registered . They say they plan to move to Detroit later.    Who are they is a common question in the KS comments, they say they plan to reveal who they are in an update. That's not really assuring to not know who they are.

6)  Have they created anything before?.

7)  The cost breakdown on there KS page says only 50% of KS money raised will go to developing the PGS units.  At best this means they have $160 to build each hardcore unit.   These are likely now to include a color e-ink display, QHD main display, 6120mAh battery, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, color choices, 5 channel sound system, LTE mobile, Button back lighting etc etc.  It seems to me the parts alone minus manufacturing would be more than $160

8 ) There is no prototype.

9)  They are trying get Intel to help them tune the SOC, yet after getting help they immediately  launch a stretch goal to dump Intel for AMD.   Why would you do that.

10) They have 7 people in the team , yet the video shows 14 people.   Old video, and 7 people have left the team?

11)  How does that screen slide open like that, ie so it exposes almost the entire bottom section.  Are they developing a mechanism for that themselves?. A mechanism that exposes almost the entire bottom never seen before on other sliders etc which still cover about a third of the bottom when open

12)  And now I see in recent update that they hope a future partner will design the PCB. Don't they have engineers themselves to do this?.  How would they know what they plan to put in the PGS is even possible ?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: hellomoto on July 06, 2016, 09:33:23 pm
New update from PGS.. Here is the part I don't like.  They have been doodling for the last two years.

--Also, until the end of campaign, we are planning to make an improved prototype version and to demonstrate it to you in new videos. The case elements of this prototype will also be printed on 3D printer and it will be based on a slightly modified Voyo V3 board. Some community members are not satisfied that the prototype is not based on our own PCB. Guys, we will start active work on PCB design after the funding ends and once we clearly know who will be a potential partner. If we get lucky and it is a company with experienced engineers (as reputable Intel), the work on PCB will be performed by engineers of our partner. We remind you, we strive for the highest quality and we will achieve it.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 06, 2016, 09:43:29 pm
New update from PGS.. Here is the part I don't like.  They have been doodling for the last two years.

--Also, until the end of campaign, we are planning to make an improved prototype version and to demonstrate it to you in new videos. The case elements of this prototype will also be printed on 3D printer and it will be based on a slightly modified Voyo V3 board. Some community members are not satisfied that the prototype is not based on our own PCB. Guys, we will start active work on PCB design after the funding ends and once we clearly know who will be a potential partner. If we get lucky and it is a company with experienced engineers (as reputable Intel), the work on PCB will be performed by engineers of our partner. We remind you, we strive for the highest quality and we will achieve it.

That line also struck me as interesting. I actually just posted the update on the Pandora board to see the thoughts from the guys there too. Looks like they do not have any experienced engineers on the team and are looking at outsourcing the actually real work in producing the handheld.

Partner strategy seems quite sketchy (pardon the pun) as I would be cautious as an established company partnering with a small group with no engineering background providing a vision and some renders.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: silvacrest on July 06, 2016, 10:26:02 pm
New update from PGS.. Here is the part I don't like.  They have been doodling for the last two years.

--Also, until the end of campaign, we are planning to make an improved prototype version and to demonstrate it to you in new videos. The case elements of this prototype will also be printed on 3D printer and it will be based on a slightly modified Voyo V3 board. Some community members are not satisfied that the prototype is not based on our own PCB. Guys, we will start active work on PCB design after the funding ends and once we clearly know who will be a potential partner. If we get lucky and it is a company with experienced engineers (as reputable Intel), the work on PCB will be performed by engineers of our partner. We remind you, we strive for the highest quality and we will achieve it.

That line also struck me as interesting. I actually just posted the update on the Pandora board to see the thoughts from the guys there too. Looks like they do not have any experienced engineers on the team and are looking at outsourcing the actually real work in producing the handheld.

Partner strategy seems quite sketchy (pardon the pun) as I would be cautious as an established company partnering with a small group with no engineering background providing a vision and some renders.

As far as i'm aware that is literally what outsourcing is all about, getting experts to do a certain part of a project that you cant do yourself, its not that surprising that a small team like PGSlabs, who dont have a specialist in a particular field would outsource.

Off topic but the kickstarter just reached 300K, impressive for only 6 days on kickstarter, it just shows how much people want this, imagine how much they would have gotten with a working prototype  :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 06, 2016, 10:39:25 pm
As far as i'm aware that is literally what outsourcing is all about, getting experts to do a certain part of a project that you cant do yourself, its not that surprising that a small team like PGSlabs, who dont have a specialist in a particular field would outsource.

Off topic but the kickstarter just reached 300K, impressive for only 6 days on kickstarter, it just shows how much people want this, imagine how much they would have gotten with a working prototype  :)

Sorry I meant as a financial partner. I don't think they could financially afford to outsource multiple PCB's with their current budget (assuming the backers are their primary investment). Outsourcing definitely makes sense but they would need to have pricing estimates from companies at before hand (which they admit they haven't even started). You don't just make up a price for a product like this, there needs to be significant cost breakdown on everything involved in development and production and estimates from your suppliers based on order quantity.

That's why at the price point right now is strange. Look at the Pyra for a good example and they wont be making profit until they reach a higher number of units sold than the PGS kickstarter and it is nearly twice as much (without the 2nd screen and all the other extras). Just doesn't make any business sense to me.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 07, 2016, 01:06:16 am
That line also struck me as interesting. I actually just posted the update on the Pandora board to see the thoughts from the guys there too. Looks like they do not have any experienced engineers on the team and are looking at outsourcing the actually real work in producing the handheld.

Partner strategy seems quite sketchy (pardon the pun) as I would be cautious as an established company partnering with a small group with no engineering background providing a vision and some renders.
So what exactly do they do with the money. They have an idea but no actual people that can do any of the work.
Probing voltages on a (by the way it was a tablet one) board should've been a huge red flag.

Anyways if you want a good high complexity pcb design for a decent price Czech Slovakia is where you'll find the most talented engineers working for reasonably low cost. Aka a few hundred euros per hour of work. Which isn't a lot for such talent. (we are talking people that could make more if they moved)

Anyhow there are also cheaper designers working for like 50 euros an hour but these are mostly less skilled. In terms of time required to lay out the design I guess about 200 hours. There is a video of someone designing a DDR3 bus connection and it took him quite long. So doing a whole bga package with so many pins is going to be one hell of a job.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 07, 2016, 01:08:46 am
New update from PGS.. Here is the part I don't like.  They have been doodling for the last two years.

--Also, until the end of campaign, we are planning to make an improved prototype version and to demonstrate it to you in new videos. The case elements of this prototype will also be printed on 3D printer and it will be based on a slightly modified Voyo V3 board. Some community members are not satisfied that the prototype is not based on our own PCB. Guys, we will start active work on PCB design after the funding ends and once we clearly know who will be a potential partner. If we get lucky and it is a company with experienced engineers (as reputable Intel), the work on PCB will be performed by engineers of our partner. We remind you, we strive for the highest quality and we will achieve it.

Translation, we are a bunch of designers and graphic artists (probably uni grads as I speculated before) with no experience designing PCBs.  PCB design will hopefully be done by a potential partner.   

This unfortunatly is exactly what people had feared about them.   

Jokes aside, they do make it sound like they don't have the electrical engineers to produce the PCB and are reliant on a potential partner, if that is the case, then how can you promise all that was in the PGS. You wouldn't have a clue any of it was technically possible to put together in a single package.  Think about that.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 07, 2016, 02:43:52 am
^ Why do I get the feeling your concerns will turn into the excuses we hear next year?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 07, 2016, 08:01:50 am
So someone found the CEO of pgslab.com , A guy by the name of Nadir Mursalov.  If you look at some of the PGS creator comments, some are signed as Nadir.

Anyway, the guy found his russian xing page (similar to linkdin ).  It clearly says he is the ceo of pgslab.com  He's a 3D generalist - basically a 3D CGI artist sort of.    ie someone who can create that type of flashy ad you see as the kickoff to the PGS kickstarter.   You can see in his demo real he has done many ads like you see for PGS ->

https://vimeo.com/79775846

So there you have it

You may need to register to see his profile here:
https://www.xing.com/profile/Nadir_Mursalov/cv?sc_o=p2786_s

His skill sets:  3D  Softimage  XSI  3Dmax  Fusion  Animation  Visualisation  VFX  CG  Supervisor  Generalist Nuke  Compositing  Video Editing  Audio Editing  Maya

09/2015 - present


CEO
pgslab.com

Industry: Computer Hardware
Type of organisation: Publicly held corporation
Company size: 1-10 employees
Employment: Owner
Career level: Senior Executive (CEO, CFO, President)
Discipline: Administration

Инициатор, создатель и руководитель проекта -> Initiator, founder and leader of the project
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Malboro on July 07, 2016, 09:04:56 am
So someone found the CEO of pgslab.com , A guy by the name of Nadir Mursalov.  If you look at some of the PGS creator comments, some are signed as Nadir.

Anyway, the guy found his russian xing page (similar to linkdin ).  It clearly says he is the ceo of pgslab.com  He's a 3D generalist - basically a 3D CGI artist sort of.    ie someone who can create that type of flashy ad you see as the kickoff to the PGS kickstarter.   You can see in his demo real he has done many ads like you see for PGS ->

https://vimeo.com/79775846

So there you have it

You may need to register to see his profile here:
https://www.xing.com/profile/Nadir_Mursalov/cv?sc_o=p2786_s

His skill sets:  3D  Softimage  XSI  3Dmax  Fusion  Animation  Visualisation  VFX  CG  Supervisor  Generalist Nuke  Compositing  Video Editing  Audio Editing  Maya

09/2015 - present


CEO
pgslab.com

Industry: Computer Hardware
Type of organisation: Publicly held corporation
Company size: 1-10 employees
Employment: Owner
Career level: Senior Executive (CEO, CFO, President)
Discipline: Administration

Инициатор, создатель и руководитель проекта -> Initiator, founder and leader of the project

Lol not someone...

Facebook LinkedIn real creatore of pgs lab

There arent other people in yours team
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001333509059&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.it%2F&_rdr


he cheated already in 2013 lol psn card free
hahaha https://plus.google.com/108846293953519280819
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 07, 2016, 12:02:09 pm
Here is the Bill of materials estimate for the iphone.  $236 for the iphone 6s plus.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150929007032/en/Upgraded-Components-iPhone-6S-Costs-Apple-Extra

Bare in mind the iphone 6s plus does not have:

1)  a secondary color e-ink display

2)  8GB RAM (iphone has 2GB)

3)  128GB SSD (iphone as costed has 16GB)

4)  A slide out game pad which adds a lot of complexity and cost

5)  Telescopic sticks

6)  Quadrophonic sound

7)  uSD slot

8 )  6120mAh battery (iphones is ~2915mAh)

The iphone does have volume discounts to get those parts at those prices. And they also design their own SOCs


So I can't see how they can build the PGS Hardcore for only $160 a piece .  Remember only 50% of funds are allocated to producing units. 



Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: silvacrest on July 07, 2016, 02:01:24 pm
Here is the Bill of materials estimate for the iphone.  $236 for the iphone 6s plus.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150929007032/en/Upgraded-Components-iPhone-6S-Costs-Apple-Extra

Bare in mind the iphone 6s plus does not have:

1)  a secondary color e-ink display

2)  8GB RAM (iphone has 2GB)

3)  128GB SSD (iphone as costed has 16GB)

4)  A slide out game pad which adds a lot of complexity and cost

5)  Telescopic sticks

6)  Quadrophonic sound

7)  uSD slot

8 )  6120mAh battery (iphones is ~2915mAh)

The iphone does have volume discounts to get those parts at those prices. And they also design their own SOCs


So tell me again how they can build the PGS Hardcore for only $160 a piece .  Remember only 50% of funds are allocated to producing units.

Its either a scam or they are not divulging all information, its annoying either way, i so badly want this to be legit but more and more oddities keep popping up.

Perhaps their mysterious backer is covering the rest of the material costs, who knows  ???
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 07, 2016, 03:33:48 pm
Ok, PGS just answered some people in the KS comments section. Here's some choice responses by PGS.

"We do have experienced engineers in our team which are capable of working on the PCB design, but now we have a lot of tasks to be done only once, which are not to be reworked later. The final PCB design depends on many factors, including the achieved Stretch Goals. At the current stage we don't think we should do things which should be inevitably reworked in the future. "

"The nearest update will be dedicated to introducing our team. "

"Our negotiations with Intel have come to further point, so we decided that it is the right way to remove the AMD Goal. "

Someone asked "By the way, did they hire the ScreenJunkies honest trailer guy to say "PGS Revolution Now"?"
PGS responded with "By the way, it was indeed a "ScreenJunkies honest trailer guy"

The last comment, whaaaat!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 07, 2016, 05:05:57 pm
I knew I recognised that smooth voice!  :D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: silvacrest on July 07, 2016, 05:12:14 pm
That's pretty funny, i watch screenjunkies often and didn't notice that.

It make sense to remove the amd stretch goal to 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 07, 2016, 05:38:40 pm
Even with stretch goals they need to have already started on a PCB, at least to get the basic functionally working.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 07, 2016, 08:27:55 pm
ED chimed in:
(https://s32.postimg.org/y3uwq7nb9/image.png)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Willburn on July 07, 2016, 09:04:35 pm
Hah, the next update will probably be along the lines:

"Hey guys guess what! We now have financial support from the creator of the openPandora and pyra...."  ;D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 07, 2016, 10:46:45 pm
^ Actually, it's a confession from them in the comments:

Quote
Our dear backers, I have something important to tell you.
Nearly 2 years ago the idea of PGS was born in my mind. I discussed with gamers around the world, discussed with another engineers, I've made hundreds of tests of reference devices. I created a compact team of people to whom I trust. We were driven by one goal and idea. The idea kept clarifying with details, something was added, something removed. I've visited tens of potential investors, the most of them were agree to invest the project only if we develop the device exceptionally on Android and if we significantly raise the cost. Such a perspective didn't satisfy me, I wanted to create not just a high quality device but also an affordable one, for many people could buy it, its cost would be fair and the device would have groundbreaking features. That's why we've come to Kickstarter.
This funding platform isn't a goldmine for us, Kickstarter is a tool which is intended for the people all over the world to invest in creating the future and the truly revolutionary products.
I'd like to say thank you to all of you who believe us, who also think that the future of portable devices will be driven by such things as PGS. The future is being built by your hands.
Now a word for those who don't trust us and maliciously trying to humiliate and insult our project.
Cancel your pledges and disappear please, this project is a clear SCAM. Isn't that what you think? We don't need any cent from you. Later, if we manage to release the prototype in time, do not return to our project. Cause anyway it's a SCAM for you and the prototype is nothing else but the case from 3D printer and the internals from another finished devices. After the campaign ends and some time passes, our YouTube channel will show the prototype based on a custom PCB. At that time do not make a preorder, don't give it a like, you just close the page and go away. At the beginning of the next year, when the backers will get the first devices and when the device starts selling on Amazon, do not buy it. It won't be that device you want to see and, by the way, it will be a fake.
During these 7 days, day after day, instead of helping our guys developing the prototype, I keep convincing you, explaining, again and again convincing the skeptical ones. I'll remind, if you have just a bit of disbelief, feel free to cancel your pledge. You can play games on PS Vita and 3Ds (by the way, these are cool devices), at least you can play on Android portable devices, do not believe and do not wait the PGS.
Even if after this post all backers go away and the campaign fails with 0 dollars, anyway we will finish and release the PGS. We will do it because we believe in PGS.
That's all I had to say.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 07, 2016, 11:06:29 pm
Well, one thing is certain - they (or he) do not know how to handle a Kickstarter project, because lashing out is the last thing you want to do.

Also, yeah, I don't get why they expect us to believe this thing is real without any proof. I'm enthusiastic because it seems possible, but it doesn't mean that they can pull it off - for that, I need some proof. And something that doesn't ring every alarm bell.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 07, 2016, 11:10:14 pm
Well, one thing is certain - they (or he) do not know how to handle a Kickstarter project, because lashing out is the last thing you want to do.

Also, yeah, I don't get why they expect us to believe this thing is real without any proof. I'm enthusiastic because it seems possible, but it doesn't mean that they can pull it off - for that, I need some proof. And something that doesn't ring every alarm bell.
The only thing this festival of sights needs now is some sharks with lasers on their heads!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Willburn on July 07, 2016, 11:22:19 pm
Gotta love the whole "hey guys trust us" approach.
Guess what, trust needs to be earned. Only fools trust unknown strangers blindly.

Then again, that approach seems to be working quite well on platforms like Kickstarter....
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 08, 2016, 12:03:49 am
More from ED:

Quote
I won't call it a scam, as scam means that someone does something bad on purpose, and that's not what I think.
However, being sceptical isn't a bad thing, and I've seen some projects with REALLY good ideas fail because the amount of work and money is underestimated.
I know complex PCB design takes a LOT of time. And the smaller and feature-rich a product is, the more time it takes.
My guess is that you'd need at least 300k USD and 1 year to complete a fully working prototype with your own PCBs from here.
Just the molds for the case would cost 50 - 80k USD, one set of bare multilayer PCBs take 6 weeks to produce, then you need to populate and test them and do that a couple of times... and each run probably costs about 20k USD as well.
The final price you sell it here is LESS than the production costs for an Apple iPhone, and Apple produces these in billions and have VERY VERY good deals with distributors, even providing some parts themselves.
You plan to have more features and sell it for less than Apples costs.
So yes, as much as I hope you can pull it off and wish you the very best, it sounds a lot like you're underestimating the amount of work, prices, etc.
You will never know the real production costs before the real prototype is finished, you can only estimate them, but looking at the features, knowing the prices of parts, your estimation seems too low.
Right now I see three options:
1. This is a scam (which don't hope it is)
2. You underestimated the costs
3. You have some investors or other money lying around so you don't even need any of the Kickstarter money
Please don't see that as trolling.
I do not want to troll, I am not calling you a scam, I just want to make sure you REALLY thought this through, as I don't want you or any of your backers run into a wall.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 08, 2016, 01:20:47 am
Bare in mind the iphone 6s plus does not have:
The Iphones has a custom in house designed SoC. A9x which is a piece of beauty on itself.
Batteries are cheap like really cheap and these poor lithium poly are especially poor.
What do you have to do to make a lithium ion battery:
Get some lithium bound to some other element to make it less volitale (reduces energy density)
grind this together with some electrolyte or mix it with a liquid electrolyte.
Take the Cathode you just made push some electrolyte on top of that finish with a anode of choice.

But I get your point unless they are doing a high volume run they won't make a profit or even turn even with their BOM.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 08, 2016, 01:22:54 am
Wow, that was the harshest comment I have ever seen from ED.   I must admit, I'm really surprised to see him say that.  If you have been on the Pyra forums for a long time like I, you would know that's way out of character for him to publicly say that.

By the way, he stole my iphone example I mentioned on the Pyra forum (and here),  I should have copyrighted it :p

As for PGSs response , yes , I agree with MAde in China, that's not professional.  They knew they were going to get slammed, shit I told them they were going to get slammed if they went ahead with the KS with no real prototype.  They knew not having an explicit working prototype and using photo relaistic renders were against KS rules, but despite all that, they went ahead anyway.  Can you blame people for reacting obviously and as predicted.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Willburn on July 08, 2016, 07:38:17 am
To be honest, I would not call his comment harsh.
I would rather say he seems genuinely concerned about the guy.

ED knows very well what the workload and financial requirements behind such a huge project look like and that a bunch of dreams and promises with no realistic plan can only lead to disaster.
He is trying to warn the guy, keep him from forever ruining his own reputation and possibly even legal action.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 08, 2016, 02:43:19 pm
Well, the PGS CEO has just made some responses to backers questions. He seems to have answered a few questions that I had been wondering on.

@Tales Dan Tamada
@MJPIA
@Julio López
Lola Kochetkova is indeed a part of our team and an official manager of PGS LAB LLC. It was her who helped us creating LLC and bank account, and also in registering the American patent for invention. The reason why the Kickstarter campaign was started on behalf of her is that only a US resident can start a campaign. To my deepest regret I am not a US resident, so the campaign couldn't be started on my behalf. As for doubting about whether or not Lola permitted to use her data to register - the data couldn't be used without her notice since Kickstarter obligates to enter an individual tax number. And only after validating it, KS gives permission to register.
@Gov
Closer to the end of the campaign, after acquiring some feedback and deciding about some minimal changes in device design, we will present the upgraded concept.
The D-Pad, similar to that of Xbox, and other changes will be shown in the concept.
The Amoled is officially confirmed for the Hardcore version. It was our mistake that Amoled was accidentally thrown to The Goals, we are sorry for that. As for overclocking, we will surely release the utility to fine tune the CPU/GPU performance.
There are quite many features that we have access to. We will also try implementing the opportunity to overclock the main components. We do not promise, but we will do as much as possible.
@david craig
Those users who don't want the E-Ink in their PGS Hardcore will get the version with regular optional display.
@Shelby
@david craig
@Yingshuai Zhang
PGS - Portable Gaming System. PGS Lab - Portable Gaming Solutions Lab.
@alexander Chernyshev
Our company is registered in Detroit. One of the Kickstarter requirements is to be a company officially registered in the USA (or some other countries in Europe). Without having a company in the USA we simply couldn't start the Kickstarter campaign.
If you have doubts about my professional skills, you may personally ask me questions throughceo@PGSLab.com.
@Bryan U-Vin
We are not a big but a talented team. Alan is also a great designer. Although I am a CEO, there are much more responsibilities on me than one may suppose. I personally play a large role in engineering and graphical sides of the project.
@Michael Mrozek
I also take a significant part in engineering and a main part in case design. We are not a big team but each does the job according to the skills.
@david craig
In the video, along with the team key members there are people who help us to different extent, but they are not the key members. Assuming that the project is funded from own funds I didn't intended to build a large staff.
@Argohrn
We are planning to implement the regular set of sensors that most Android smartphones use.
@stephen Sprites
The main goal that we have to achieve by the end of the campaign is finishing the more complex, improved prototype and showing it in the new video.
@Pablo Emilio Acevedo Díaz
We'll try to demonstrate the updated prototype version starting from the moment of device power on and all the following stages.
@Michael Mrozek (OpenPandora GmbH)
Thank you for your advice. My experience as a portable devices engineer is really not as extensive as that of Pandora team, but we truly realize that expenses may exceed the revenue from Kickstarter. We are ready for that.
@Jean-paul Joseph
Z8750 also perfectly works with Windows 8.1.
@Luke Palmgren
We are planning to develop separate device versions, one supporting European networks, and one for the US networks.
@Zlipher
The input elements of the PGS will work through Xinput. You will be able to use any software to remap the keys functioning.
@Zlipher
The finished device pack will include the adapter from USB-C to the full-sized USB.
You will be able to plug any peripheral directly or even through a USB hub. We are planning to implement a replaceable battery in PGS Hardcore.
@Horace Cheng
Maybe I was really too excessive in my previous post, but I said what I'm really thinking. We are not a large team, but we are trying hard and we'll keep doing everything possible for you. We listen and consider your advices, thank you.
@Justin
Thanks for advices.
@Ong TH
The question of PGS Hardcore memory is in consideration now. We are researching this question, thank you.
@Gov
z8750 produces about 2 watts of heat under the load. The most Windows-based tablets with Cherry Trail processors do not include any heat removal radiators. In our case there will be a tiny radiator connected to the case. Do not worry about heat problem, we will prevent it in either version of PGS, including the titanium one.
@Nofear2plus
I'm afraid we will not show you something brand new right now and today, but we are trying hard to do it by the end of the campaign.
@Qing Fang
Sure
@Erosquare
As I mentioned earlier, we came to Kickstarter in order to be less dependent on investors. In order to create a device which we really expect it to be and to show it to you.
Thank you for advices, we'll take it into account.
@Opium Pulses
Thanks for your advice. I'll consider your opinion.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 08, 2016, 08:52:44 pm
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/012/987/609/9166abce453d4d65baf042649b1b4158_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1467909779&auto=format&lossless=true&s=7ed56f661d8131e02feba49b2cd9c039)

Our Roberto appears to be Alan  :o
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on July 08, 2016, 09:33:14 pm
Lola is a dancer and actress,  hmmm


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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 08, 2016, 11:13:29 pm
@maarten12100


Roberto ?

What do you mean?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 08, 2016, 11:42:33 pm
Lola is a dancer and actress,  hmmm


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All I can think of is the Copacabana song...
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 08, 2016, 11:45:40 pm
He gave Alan a pet name as he was the lead in the promotional video.

Seeing as they are based in Eastern Europe, I can see why they had to use a proxy for a Kickstarter campaign. However, Kickstarter still has those rules in place for a reason, so while empathy is up, suspicion is also up.
I don't think ANY words can lower my suspicion, actually. I just need to see something that works before I'll totally believe them, not to say commit and back their campaign.

They have said something like that will pop up near the end of the campaign, so fingers crossed they do make it. Until then, it's just feeding my fantasy for a gaming phone.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 09, 2016, 12:02:52 am
So someone posted these Cherrytrail tablet which seems very cheap, hmmm, PGS perhaps then possible for the funds they are raising.  I'm still  skeptical, but I suppose there is a chance

http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_363113.html

http://www.geekbuying.com/item/CHUWI-Hi8-Pro-Dual-OS-Windows10---Android5-1-8-inch-2GB-32GB-Tablet-PC-Intel-Cherry-Trail-Z8300-1-84GHz-IPS-1920-1200-Type-C-HDMI---White-364655.html?utm_source=EMS&utm_medium=EMSSHW_Product_Link&utm_campaign=EMSSHW_Feed_364655
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 09, 2016, 12:10:28 am
So someone posted these Cherrytrail tablet which seems very cheap, hmmm, PGS perhaps then possible for the funds they are raising.  I'm still  skeptical, but I suppose there is a chance

http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_363113.html

http://www.geekbuying.com/item/CHUWI-Hi8-Pro-Dual-OS-Windows10---Android5-1-8-inch-2GB-32GB-Tablet-PC-Intel-Cherry-Trail-Z8300-1-84GHz-IPS-1920-1200-Type-C-HDMI---White-364655.html?utm_source=EMS&utm_medium=EMSSHW_Product_Link&utm_campaign=EMSSHW_Feed_364655
Regardless of how cheap those are, you still have to remember, at least as far as anyone on the outside can tell, PGS has done little to no R&D yet. ED said it best himself. IIRC he said just PCB design and development alone will probably cost them close to $300k+, and then theres the cost of making molds for the cases. Then once you factor in the cost of the actual manufacturing of these devices, they will have a ton of money to make up for on their margins. Unless they're just a really nice bunch of people who are cool with losing a cool half a million+ just to make gamers worldwide happier, I don't see that working financially at the prices they are touting.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 09, 2016, 12:56:38 am
@maarten12100


Roberto ?

What do you mean?

It's one those ones you really want to be true, but deep down you know , well, you know.
[/b]

I think you're right. Intuition, gut feeling, whatever you want to call it. Many of us are having red flags about this situation and I think that's not insignificant.

But.... Maybe Ricardo will come through for us.

(http://i.imgur.com/v1JS7O7.png)

Those eyes... Those eyes dude. They can see right through your soul.

I don't know whether to trust them or run far, far away.

I meant Ricardo well the handsome guy  :-X
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 09, 2016, 12:58:29 am
As I said on the Pyra forum, people seem to be searching for the wroing person.  Find me Sergei Kirimov that matches the pic of him
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 10, 2016, 07:26:51 pm
Yo, heads up! The poll for different button layout is happening on their twitter! I'm going with layout number 1.  :D

Mostly for GC emulation, me being a bit tired of the Playstation style fo button placement, and the 8 directional d-pad.  8)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 10, 2016, 11:56:25 pm
@Nicho-Mania

Did you back a PGS unit?


So this layout is an option now. 


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnBOIIMXYAAfyzJ.jpg)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 11, 2016, 12:36:26 am
@Nicho-Mania

Did you back a PGS unit?


So this layout is an option now. 


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnBOIIMXYAAfyzJ.jpg)

Haven't backed yet, due to all the vague trustability of the product, but still, from what they've said concerning 6th gen. console emulation, the first layout would be extremely helpful for wii/GC controls.  ;)

that and the d-pad looks more helpful for fighting games and the like. (skullgirls anyone  :) )
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 11, 2016, 01:14:08 am
Don't think I'll be backing the PGS, especially now that the Win will be getting a Z8700/8750.
But, if they do end up making this device and if I ever feel like adding it to my collection/using it as a phone, I'd rather they put both sticks at the top for maximum grip. The PS placement can be a little slippery on a device that isn't as round as the Vita and the asymmetrical placement is VERY....un-agreeable on devices that lack a handle or grip.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 11, 2016, 01:33:21 am
somebody made the point that putting a poll like this on twitter, rather than an actual polling site might be untrustworthy or such, due to people liking things just for showing pictures of the product.

Though I am a bit saddened the original design is winning so far, is this possibly true?
It'd be funny if the more recent post gains likes for that, more than any actual polling, but I can't honestly say, due to me having a play in this poll to begin with.   :-X
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 11, 2016, 09:53:28 pm
A poster on Neogaf named MJPIA who you might recognize from the comments section on the kickstarter, and likely is a member here (sorry if I stole your thunder  :) ), basically destroyed what little credibility PGS had left in my eyes.


BTW meet Alan Williams aka Kostas Valov aka Kostas Lucky

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12801614_1083332415062142_1868075772347765334_n.jpg?oh=17cea235983454fe8e69ec11b2a2121a&oe=582F43A5)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1083332415062142&set=ecnf.100001561807055&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/kostas.valov?fref=ufi
https://new.vk.com/id261598200
Not the one who found him but it was someone who wishes to remain anonymous.
Anyone care to try to track down the rest of the team?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 11, 2016, 10:59:25 pm
A poster on Neogaf named MJPIA who you might recognize from the comments section on the kickstarter, and likely is a member here (sorry if I stole your thunder  :) ), basically destroyed what little credibility PGS had left in my eyes.


BTW meet Alan Williams aka Kostas Valov aka Kostas Lucky

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12801614_1083332415062142_1868075772347765334_n.jpg?oh=17cea235983454fe8e69ec11b2a2121a&oe=582F43A5)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/kostas.valov?fref=ufi
https://new.vk.com/id261598200
Not the one who found him but it was someone who wishes to remain anonymous.
Anyone care to try to track down the rest of the team?

First link is down.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 11, 2016, 11:32:54 pm
First link is down.

Should be working now :)

Here's a little conversation on his upcoming acting role and a mention of his work on the PGS ad

(http://i.imgur.com/wUfKgvg.png)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 12, 2016, 12:20:07 am
A poster on Neogaf named MJPIA who you might recognize from the comments section on the kickstarter, and likely is a member here (sorry if I stole your thunder  :) ), basically destroyed what little credibility PGS had left in my eyes.


BTW meet Alan Williams aka Kostas Valov aka Kostas Lucky

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12801614_1083332415062142_1868075772347765334_n.jpg?oh=17cea235983454fe8e69ec11b2a2121a&oe=582F43A5)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1083332415062142&set=ecnf.100001561807055&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/kostas.valov?fref=ufi
https://new.vk.com/id261598200
Not the one who found him but it was someone who wishes to remain anonymous.
Anyone care to try to track down the rest of the team?

Ricardo is a man of many names
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 12, 2016, 01:53:26 am
Ricardo is a man of many names

... but in my dreams his only name is "mine"  <3
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 12, 2016, 02:28:00 am
This has just further put me on the being a "sit back and get some popcorn out" type of onlooker. I doubt the people who can actually find this forum or neogaf are still the ones supporting it, and with so many little goals already reached (though, I expected the $300,000 one to be a lot less, or even integral to the product itself) I doubt anyone's going to lower the money behind the project now. I'm just waiting till March (luckily my birthday, so this'll be fun  :P ) to see whether I should invest.


Side convo though; from what I've read about the whole Colored E-Ink display on the internet (low refresh rate and such) does it actually help in any way? [I'm more of a tech buyer than a tech knower, so pardon my question if it seems stupid]
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 12, 2016, 02:38:37 am
@Nicho-Mania

This is all shooting the breeze, but honestly, I have no idea why some people in the KS comments are against an e-ink display, apart from cost that is.   The displays are what suck the most power, more so than the SOC.   If you were to use the second display, it would suck the battery dry very quickly, so e-ink is the best option .  E-ink only ever uses power when the screen image changes.  So for applications like displaying a keyboard or custom game buttons, or game instructions - it's perfect.  These are the  reasons to have a second display - so...

Let's face it, your not going to watch a video on it while playing a game on the first screen. 

In short, you will want the e-ink display


Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 12, 2016, 04:00:09 am
@vcoleiro1
Ah, okay, now it makes more sense.  :)

though, I do hope they have thought about ds emulation and how that would play into this device....because said emulation (now finally with two screens) is the only reason I'm still holding my wallet from just buying a GPD Win instead of being patient with PGS.  ;)

that and waiting to see how this will all inevitably play out  8)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 12, 2016, 04:03:24 am
Do DS emulators even support a second screen?.


Also, if they do support a second screen, whats displayed there on DS games is usually non action anyway, like map locators , weapon selection etc.   e-ink would probably still be fine for that.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 12, 2016, 05:07:58 am
Lon Seidman took a quick look at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp3a3DLsJNU

He too sees the similarities between the RVGS/Chameleon project.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MJPIA on July 12, 2016, 07:16:21 am
I don't mind others sharing it since it was someone else who told me the info in the first place.
Just gonna post the one other thing I was told.
Quote
From some more back and forth with the anonymous person who found the info to be fair to PGS Artur Krants at least is real and he has been confirmed to be the finance guy and has been searching for investors so theres that at least.
I may not place much if any faith in PGS and feel they are way in over their heads but I'll hold out some hope they manage to make something.
The person who registered PGS LLC in the US is the head of a investor firm who has funded restaurant franchises across countries and the like and I couldn't see them getting involved if this was a whole lot of nothing.
I want to see more devices like the GPD win and PGS Lab's and with Intel dropping the lower atom chips these may be all we ever get.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 12, 2016, 07:42:22 am
^ https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/the-russian-mob-funded-my-parents-restaurant
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 12, 2016, 10:50:19 am
PGS responded to a question regarding why Alan is Kostas on social media

"Actually, Alan's true name is Konstantin. And he is indeed our community manager. He is responsible for our participation in social networks and also he was in touch with the media previously. We apologize that we had to change his data. As most of you may know, currently we have complicated political situation in Russia, and Alan (it's his new name, previously Konstantin) is going to migrate to the USA for permanent living. He wants to prevent his real personal data to leak into the media. It may lead to issues with Alan's preparing for migration. We are truly hope for your understanding.
If some backers wish to communicate with team members personally, feel free to write in private chat, we can provide the contacts, it is not a secret."
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 12, 2016, 11:38:00 am
Well, they put the challenge out there in saying they can provide contacts for their staff.   Someone needs to ask them what the full real names of all their staff are. Plus ask them to provide links to social media pages or other media pages which back up each members identity.  Particularly interested in Sergei, but all is better
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 12, 2016, 01:27:59 pm
Tripple post for the win

They posted a new update on their KS page

"The way to increase the Atom Z87XX performance by 50% has been found


Hello our friends. I'm glad to tell you that we've found the way to retrieve about 50% additional performance for the needs of PGS from the Cherry Trail SoC. Now let's go through it in details:
As you may know, there are 2 engineers in our team - Nadir, the PGS founder and Sergei. Sergei is currently working on developing the new prototype version, we are communicating with components suppliers, potential investors, media and partners for upcoming manufacturing. Meanwhile, Nadir locked with test samples in his office 3 days ago and said not to disturb him. Today Nadir returned to us and he was really excited about what he has found. Here what he states:

It's already several days that I've been testing Voyo V3 and Surface 3 mainboards. In both cases the 4GB dual-channel RAM was used. There were thousands of tests, hundreds of combinations of BIOS settings. And I've come to interesting results:

Fact 1: Maximum z8700 CPU frequency is 2.4 GHz (z8750 is 2.56 GHz). Maximum z8700 GPU frequency is 600 MHz.

Fact 2: The Surface 3 which we were using to test performance so far, almost immediately after the game launch reduces the CPU frequency to 0.8-1.1 GHz and GPU frequency to 380-420 MHz.

Fact 3: Voyo V3 almost immediately after the game launch reduces CPU freq. to 0.6-0.8 GHz and GPU freq. to 200 MHz.

Fact 4: The above mentioned facts take place due to the SoC integrated system for power saving and heat protection.

Fact 5: Disabling this protection in BIOS led to SoC overheating after some time.

Fact 6: Intentional cooling the SoC by a copper radiator and tiny fan led to significant temperature decrease. In this case the CPU and GPU frequencies stay in fixed values of 2.4 GHz and 600 MHz respectively.

Fact 7: Without using the cooling fan, when only the radiator is present, we get the performance the same as we retrieved from Surface 3 tests. It is quite a decent performance which is sufficient for comfortable gaming the most PC games in HD resolution.

Fact 8: We can integrate a tiny cooling fan into Hardcore version, sacrificing the additional speakers. The same fan as in Fujitsu F07C. It is very silent, tiny and efficient, it produces almost no sound and it is activated only when enabling the "PERFORMANCE" mode. It can give us about 50% additional performance in games. And this is very cool!

What do you think?"

Ok, so as you can hear in the video below, the fan is very noisy and it seems the concensus about this product, is that the fan is in the cradle which make sense  when you see the video.  And yes, that noise is the fan. That fan does not sound like it would fit in the PGS. But I haven't seen a pic of it.  I suppose there is a chance it's really small, but that sound, hhmmmmm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJinWfQ_9k
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: hellomoto on July 12, 2016, 02:55:26 pm
The fan at best prevents throttling for a longer time.  it does not increase performance at all.  maybe endurance?  Their post is such bs and the backers are eating it up like candy.  shake my head..
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 12, 2016, 03:11:28 pm
hellomoto, what are you talking about? A fan disperses heat and prevents throttling. Of course it impacts performance.
On the other hand, it takes a lot of power to run and is noisy.

For comparison, the smallest computer fans I know of are 8 cm diameter - they were once on the outside of the case, and were extremely noisy, and then they were adapted as CPU fans, and you could still hear them from the outside. So I think anything smaller than 8 cm isn't going to cut it, unless they use multiple fans and a smart heatsink design to increase airflow.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: dubsmachine on July 12, 2016, 03:57:55 pm
Interested to see how this device pans out..already backed the GPD Win so can't back this one too.
They are giving some good info and updates but they seem very early in the process to commit to some of the goals they have promised / achieved already.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 12, 2016, 04:06:53 pm
Been trying to find an affordable LOOX F07C for a few months now for my collection so glad to see someone else remembers that it exists. But yeah, that fan is part of the cradle, which makes me wonder how it can dissipate any heat at all. If they really do intend on being a real company with a real product, then they definitely need to replace that pointless sound system with a better cooling solution.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: hellomoto on July 12, 2016, 04:19:29 pm
It is just a fan that prevents throttling.  does it increase performance as in increasing FPS?  Let just say max FPS for z8700 is 30.  does having a fan increase it to 45 (%50 increase)? If throttling begins after 5 minutes of play and the fan prolongs it to 15 minutes (200% increase), Should it be considered tangible performance increase?  What they are posting is bs and people are eating it up.  If they can increase FPS, I would be more impressed.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: brushpicks11 on July 12, 2016, 06:46:10 pm
I think what they mean on PGS is endurance not performance as someone here already alluded to. Either way seems like a scam till its on the shelves in the meantime I hope GPD has figured out their throttling issues.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Willburn on July 12, 2016, 08:03:34 pm
The only way to actually increase performance is overclocking.
Not very recommended on such a small device though...even with fan ;)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 12, 2016, 08:21:44 pm
The only way to actually increase performance is overclocking.
Not very recommended on such a small device though...even with fan ;)
That and ya know, Intel has gone on record saying it can't be done on the chip they intend to use. But hey, anything is possible if they say it, right?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 13, 2016, 12:00:46 pm
Backer numbers and total money gained have been steadily dropping in the last couple of days - I guess media coverage that includes skepticism is taking its toll.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on July 14, 2016, 01:26:13 am
It is just a fan that prevents throttling.  does it increase performance as in increasing FPS?  Let just say max FPS for z8700 is 30.  does having a fan increase it to 45 (%50 increase)? If throttling begins after 5 minutes of play and the fan prolongs it to 15 minutes (200% increase), Should it be considered tangible performance increase?  What they are posting is bs and people are eating it up.  If they can increase FPS, I would be more impressed.

If there is enough airflow, the max temperature can be stabilized below the throttle threshold.  If that's the case, then the statement as stated can be true.  The question you should be asking, is if they will be able to produce such a design...well before spring of next year, especially when they don't even have a feature complete prototype.  How do you engineer case air flow without a case, or fit a fan into a case wihout a case design?  Im all for 3d models, but some intangibles must be experienced to evaluate.  I still think the entire project is a hoax, and these f*cks are going to take as much of the money as KS will give them and run.  Putting my money on GPD.  While i liked the idea of a dual screen slider, and phone on the hardcore edition, Im primarily buying a portable windows gaming handheld.  GPD has a track record of delivering, and delivering better than expected quality at the pricepoint. 
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 14, 2016, 01:55:43 pm
It is just a fan that prevents throttling.  does it increase performance as in increasing FPS?  Let just say max FPS for z8700 is 30.  does having a fan increase it to 45 (%50 increase)? If throttling begins after 5 minutes of play and the fan prolongs it to 15 minutes (200% increase), Should it be considered tangible performance increase?  What they are posting is bs and people are eating it up.  If they can increase FPS, I would be more impressed.

If there is enough airflow, the max temperature can be stabilized below the throttle threshold.  If that's the case, then the statement as stated can be true.  The question you should be asking, is if they will be able to produce such a design...well before spring of next year, especially when they don't even have a feature complete prototype.  How do you engineer case air flow without a case, or fit a fan into a case wihout a case design?  Im all for 3d models, but some intangibles must be experienced to evaluate.  I still think the entire project is a hoax, and these f*cks are going to take as much of the money as KS will give them and run.  Putting my money on GPD.  While i liked the idea of a dual screen slider, and phone on the hardcore edition, Im primarily buying a portable windows gaming handheld.  GPD has a track record of delivering, and delivering better than expected quality at the pricepoint.
Take 3D model add boundary conditions in Comsol select time dependent simulation and set the unit size to the smallest then wait a couple of days for results. Obviously you can just do some stationary results and then make a real prototype since these models are just approximations. A 30% error margin on the variable you are interested in is for example usually considered good enough for a simulation.

If they were serious they should get some engineers on it right now their time frame is very short and if they want to have it finished and moved into production in a few months it's the only way.

Something I'm wondering about is can you actually take back the money you plegged as it seems as if they fell back a couple grand. And this is not just my imagination they made their E-ink goal at 350k but they currently have less than that. (number of backers also decreased from 1300+ to 1281 today)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 14, 2016, 02:01:05 pm
You can cancel your pledge anytime before the kickstarter ends, however once they reach their deadline, if the goal was met, everyone's money goes bye bye for good.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: silvacrest on July 14, 2016, 03:56:12 pm
Yeah, i've noticed they are losing money everyday for a little while now, the horde of negative comments on kickstarter probably helped with that, i still dont think the PGS team understand what a working prototype would do to dispel some negativity, even their latest video is nothing really, you cant tell what environment their test system is in, no physical product on display etc, either they are still early in development or its a scam, either are annoying
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DiegoSLTS on July 14, 2016, 05:10:48 pm
Yeah, i've noticed they are losing money everyday for a little while now, the horde of negative comments on kickstarter probably helped with that, i still dont think the PGS team understand what a working prototype would do to dispel some negativity, even their latest video is nothing really, you cant tell what environment their test system is in, no physical product on display etc, either they are still early in development or its a scam, either are annoying
I think they do know the impact a working prototype can have, but I think they don't know what a prototype should be. They'll probably show something similar to the first prototype video, another mix of some tablet (I've read Voyo V3 in some comments) and a stripped out bluetooth or usb controller. Maybe they'll manage to fit more of it inside the 3D printed case so it looks decent, maybe they manage to fit the real buttons in the case instead of the clearly faked buttons in the other prototype, but that's still not a real prototype of their product, it's just a prove of concept.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 14, 2016, 05:21:35 pm
I don't know that I'd even go as far as calling it a proof of concept. If they took the time to wire up their own control pcb at a minimum and stick it in the case (not hard to do by the way with Dev boards like the teensy) ,  then maybe, but repackaging multiple off the shelf products and calling it that is almost as bad as calling it a prototype in my opinion.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DiegoSLTS on July 14, 2016, 06:11:54 pm
I don't know that I'd even go as far as calling it a proof of concept. If they took the time to wire up their own control pcb at a minimum and stick it in the case (not hard to do by the way with Dev boards like the teensy) ,  then maybe, but repackaging multiple off the shelf products and calling it that is almost as bad as calling it a prototype in my opinion.

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You're right, maybe it's not that either.

----

I just read the FAQ and it's amazing how they're mocking about the completely valid requests of a working prototype:

Soon after the GPD WIN campaign on Indiegogo ended, they showed the working device prototype. Why haven't you shown us the finished device during the first days of your campaign?!!

Despite the nonsense of such question we get it quite often. First, the GPD company presented the prototype only after the Indiegogo campaign ended. Second, we are not related to the GPD company in any way. We have our own product and our own path.


The way the question is writen (as if an angry guy just compares apples and oranges) and the "Despite the nonsense of such question" begining is really insulting. Also, I understand that in Indiegogo's rules there's no obligation to show a working prototype, while it's explicit in Kickstarter. They just turned the request of a prototype into "Why aren't you like GPD?" and answered only that.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 14, 2016, 06:17:42 pm
At this point I'm all for everyone backing the project who refuses to open their eyes to learn their $300 lessons. I believe someone else earlier in the forum discussion said something similar. But my real concern is how this blatant scam is going to hurt the gamephone market and how it may sway a legitimate company from making a real attempt at it/or from having a fair shake at getting started in a process that will hands down need to be community supported/crowd funded. The only positive I see from this whole bullshit crusade is that they've proved that there is a market for such a device, but the sting that will ensue when they don't deliver and skip out of town with everyone's money may sour the opinions of most when the real Mccoy comes along one day.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: silvacrest on July 14, 2016, 06:56:08 pm
At this point I'm all for everyone backing the project who refuses to open their eyes to learn their $300 lessons. I believe someone else earlier in the forum discussion said something similar. But my real concern is how this blatant scam is going to hurt the gamephone market and how it may sway a legitimate company from making a real attempt at it/or from having a fair shake at getting started in a process that will hands down need to be community supported/crowd funded. The only positive I see from this whole bullshit crusade is that they've proved that there is a market for such a device, but the sting that will ensue when they don't deliver and skip out of town with everyone's money may sour the opinions of most when the real Mccoy comes along one day.

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What i dont get is why has this type of project, either a gaming phone or something like the GPD win been regulated to fraudster attempts or indiegogo status, the xperia play was just to early, hardware wasn't good enough, ecosystem had not matured yet and sony didn't support it well enough, even Chinese attempts have been pretty lackluster
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 14, 2016, 07:12:50 pm

What i dont get is why has this type of project, either a gaming phone or something like the GPD win been regulated to fraudster attempts or indiegogo status, the xperia play was just to early, hardware wasn't good enough, ecosystem had not matured yet and sony didn't support it well enough, even Chinese attempts have been pretty lackluster

The reasoning I see for this, at least from a business point of view, is while there is a demand for such a project, there isn't a big enough demand to mass release such a product. Sure it will sell, but will it sell as well as some of the other flagship phones out there? Highly unlikely, which is why the bigger companies won't go anywhere near such a thing any longer. The closest I've seen of anything from a major company is the Bluetooth controller from Samsung that they put out to go with the Gear VR headset.

Companies these days try to appeal to as wide of an audience as they can with each product they release, and in all honesty, why shouldn't they? While I would love for Sony to design the next Xperia Play or for one of the other heavy hitters in the smartphone business to come out with something of their own with integrated controls, they would most likely end up taking a hit or breaking even in the end due to the R&D they would put out to design such a thing.

The Chinese companies can afford to put out shoddy products because the parts and labor are so cheap there and there is no export/import costs for most everything they use to produce them and they have no real direct competition in this market. If they were to start using higher quality parts to make something that was worth a damn, the prices would certainly skyrocket and sales would plummet due to the increased costs.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: hellomoto on July 14, 2016, 07:15:22 pm
Regardless of PGS being a scam or not.  I do want to thank them for creating competition with GPD.  Consumers win with the free upgrade.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 14, 2016, 11:15:15 pm
You can cancel your pledge anytime before the kickstarter ends, however once they reach their deadline, if the goal was met, everyone's money goes bye bye for good.

Oh wow, I didn't realize that. Does Kickstarter not have some kind of fraud protection, similar to Paypal's "buyer protection" policy? For example, when I originally bought a PSP some 11 years ago on ebay, the person I originally bought it from swindled me and took my money and never sent it. Paypal refunded my money and I was able to buy from a local seller.

You would really think kickstarter would have some kind of accountability checks in place so that thousands of people aren't being swindled?

Or maybe they don't care because they (kickstarter) are making money too and they figure "buyer beware".

I don't know. This is pretty alarming though.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 15, 2016, 12:04:17 am
Kickstarter's approach seems to be rather hands off. They want any problems to be hashed out between backers and creators directly.

From the kickstarter FAQ:

"Kickstarter Basics: Accountability

    Who is responsible for completing a project as promised?

    It's the project creator's responsibility to complete their project. Kickstarter is not involved in the development of the projects themselves.

    Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. On Kickstarter, backers (you!) ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.
    How do backers know if a project will follow through?

    Launching a Kickstarter is a very public act, and creators put their reputations at risk when they do.

    Backers should look for creators who share a clear plan for how their project will be completed, and who have a history of bringing their creative ventures and other projects to fruition. Creators are encouraged to share links and as much background information as possible so backers can make informed decisions about the projects they support.

    If a creator has no demonstrable experience in doing something like their project or doesn't share key information, backers should take that into consideration. Does the creator include links to any websites that show work related to the project, or past projects? Does the creator appear in the video? Have they connected via Facebook?

    Don't hesitate to request information from a creator. You can always reach out before pledging via the "Contact me" button on the project page.

Can Kickstarter refund the money if a project is unable to fulfill?

No, Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds. Transactions are between backers and creators directly. Creators receive all funds (less fees) soon after their campaign ends.
"

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 15, 2016, 01:08:44 am
Oh man, thanks for the info rob.

I have a sinking feeling that a bunch of people are going to have a $300 hole in their wallet with a sad face over it.

...And Ricardo's face forever burned in their minds.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 15, 2016, 01:15:31 am
You gotta give them some credit however. They sure do know how to quote Wikipedia as a defense for not having a legitimate prototype! (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/85e824849d79088941ff1e1201c2f11b.jpg)

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 15, 2016, 03:47:34 am
You gotta give them some credit however. They sure do know how to quote Wikipedia as a defense for not having a legitimate prototype!

They could probably swindle more money if they would stop calling things "nonsense" and lashing out at the community.

But, what do I know about running a fake kickstarter?    :o
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 15, 2016, 04:27:48 am
They must still be following clippy's outdated advise on how to respond to the haters. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/cdadd77e55a6d2611742d58bca707c78.jpg)

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on July 15, 2016, 10:57:39 am
Lashing out over legitimate questions to those actually interested in the "idea" of what PGS is trying to do is very foolish and you really don't want to piss off potential customers.
Not sure what they accomplish with such stupid responses.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 15, 2016, 12:05:26 pm
In regards to the xperia play, I think I can sum up its biggest problem with this:

SONY: Hey everyone, touch controls suck, I think we can all agree on that. That's why we at SONY have created a smartphone with slide out touch controls. 

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 15, 2016, 02:13:44 pm
So their latest deflection about not having a prototype... Exclusive games for the PGS! I'm curious how they plan to have a game be exclusive for a system that runs Android/Windows though. Although I guess anything is possible when your console is made up of nothing more than hopes and dreams.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/b7c6569fcf38bcd259391bc7b804415d.jpg)

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 15, 2016, 06:00:10 pm
Wow, exclusive games! They're going to waste their already limited resources on something other than their core product?

I just got a phone call from Ricardo... He told me "We make excellent decisions at PGS".

He also sent me a screenshot of one of their exclusive games:

(http://www.pixsoriginadventures.co.uk/blogimages/ultimuh_005.png)

That is some HIGH QUALITY stuff right there!!!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 15, 2016, 06:03:51 pm
OK, this is actually not a joke: As soon as I submitted that last post with the exclusive screenshot, my Windows 7 had a bluescreen of death and I had to reboot. I am actually not joking about this.

Coincidence? Or Russian/Chinese hacking? As I am one of PGS's more vocal opponents, I really wouldn't be surprised if there is some malware on my system.

WTF
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 15, 2016, 06:06:31 pm
In Soviet Russia, virus infects you!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 15, 2016, 06:10:11 pm
In Soviet Russia, virus infects you!

Indeed! In United Russia, number processing machine is infected by the programming code which has illicit intent.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 16, 2016, 08:17:13 pm
This thread has gone suspiciously quiet the last 24 hours.

Guys I think I'm done talking about PGS for a while.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DroidX2 on July 16, 2016, 08:47:29 pm
This thread has gone suspiciously quiet the last 24 hours.

Guys I think I'm done talking about PGS for a while.

Before you go, can you enlighten me on how kickstarter actually works.

Does the money get transferred out after the campaign is over?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 16, 2016, 08:50:30 pm
If the campaign reaches or surpasses its goal, the pledges are taken once it's over.
Otherwise, no money is taken.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: SquidwardTentacles on July 16, 2016, 09:15:36 pm
This thread has gone suspiciously quiet the last 24 hours.

Guys I think I'm done talking about PGS for a while.

Ricardo waits for you, under your bed.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 16, 2016, 10:19:09 pm
This thread has gone suspiciously quiet the last 24 hours.

Guys I think I'm done talking about PGS for a while.

Ricardo waits for you, under your bed.

 :o

I feel comforted knowing that I am actually the anti-Ricardo and that we will cancel each other out.

Or is that bad? Will I cease to exist?

 ???
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: SquidwardTentacles on July 16, 2016, 10:36:49 pm
This thread has gone suspiciously quiet the last 24 hours.

Guys I think I'm done talking about PGS for a while.

Ricardo waits for you, under your bed.

 :o

I feel comforted knowing that I am actually the anti-Ricardo and that we will cancel each other out.

Or is that bad? Will I cease to exist?

 ???

It will be a matter-antimatter collision. The results will be devastating, and cool to watch. I'll bring popcorn.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DroidX2 on July 16, 2016, 11:49:37 pm
If the campaign reaches or surpasses its goal, the pledges are taken once it's over.
Otherwise, no money is taken.

I see, Thanks MIC!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 17, 2016, 12:51:05 am
New update from PGS

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Dear backer, be careful, we are under attack!


During the last days our project and all web pages were brutally attacked by spammers. They aim to:

- smear our status 

- confuse our backers 

- make the backers leave our project and so contribute to their own product's development.

The main goal they're obviously trying to achieve is blocking our campaign.

They spam endlessly trying to smear as much as possible. We're almost sure you'll see their filthy comments once this message appears.

One of their principal "arguments" to make you leave us is "absence of prototype" as they call it. However, the link to the prototype has been posted on our Kickstarter page since the compaign began. By the end of the campaign we'll try to show you the renewed version of the prototype.

To those who desperately try to smear our campaing (our competitors) we advise to apply their forces and means (which they spend to hinder us) to create a decent product, able to meet our competition! As it's absolutely clear now that your present project looks quite miserable, let's face the truth.

The next update will contain the information about our production and investment partners.

Thank you for staying with us! We'll never let you down! ;)

and our hero Nadir has "returned" from China:

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PGS LAB Creator about 1 hour ago
Hello our dear backers!
I am here with you again. Today I returned back from China and I have something to share with you.
The first and the most important. We have signed the contract for developing and manufacturing our devices by one of the leading China\Taiwan microelectronics manufacturers. Under our thorough control, according to our requirements and with our help they will develop both versions of PGS, as well as be responsible for warranty and post-warranty services. They will also take care of manufacturing the main accessories. Later I will share more details about our partner.
Secondly. I've already told you about it, but many of you don't know. We've got an agreement with our investment fund. The agreement comes into force in case of successful Kickstarter campaign. The investing side will be obligated to cover all expenses on production line, producing starting batches of devices, warranty and also other expenses related with the business. Currently I'm negotiating about creating a mini-fund which will ensure the cash back for every backer on this Kickstarter campaign who invested the money, in case the backer changes his mind about having PGS before the official release. I'll try to provide you such opportunity.
To sum it up, the future of the PGS is in safety. The device will make a revolution in portable gaming no matter what our haters and enemies do.
Third. About our foes. In China I was monitoring the mail, private messages on KS, comments on KS, on YouTube, on Twitter, Instagram, even some forums. I've also noticed the unpleasant situation with the KS funding in recent days. Having analyzed the content, messages and comments with our colleagues I've come to a conclusion that we are being attacked by competitors, it's a massive spam attack. There are several people day after day are trying to blacken us. Not only the human resources are used, even spam auto-generating systems work. For instance, our YouTube channel is being daily attacked by about several hundreds of similar messages from bots. Do you know what's the point of all these messages? Something like "People, cancel your pledges, come with us in GPD, we are so cool, we have a better prototype" etc. I'm sorry that I may be excessive but I'm telling about my position.
So, everyone who is a part of this humiliating action, those b**ters who can't compete fairly, instead of supporting the revolution in gaming, they are trying to eliminate us as a threat. They realize that the PGS can ruin their works and to significantly reduce their sales. And we will make this great gaming future, I personally will make it possible.
Do you wants some interesting facts about that "competitors"?
They try to ignore it but I will remind. On the crowdfunding stage they didn't have ANY prototype (compared to us). And even that device which was shown after the campaign was in fact a device based on the weakest variation of the Intel Bay Trail. Even DMC4 runs with 15 FPS on it.
Those f***ers makes an emphasis that we do not have a prototype. I would tell those jerks from rivals to open their eyes wider. The prototype is presented in the bottom of our KS page, and closer to the campaign end we will try our best to present the improved version. Don't like that the case was printed on a 3D printer? Feeling uncomfortable that it is not based on a custom PCB? Those rivaling dumbs are trying to prove that this isn't a prototype at all. I would tell them to stop fooling our backers, just take a look on a definition of the prototype and then keep talking your bull*hit in some other place.
I've also noticed on the NEOGAF forum that some "unique" people appeal others to intentionally throw mud in our comments, to report on our project. Fortunately, opinions of that auditorium will not obstruct the creation of our device.
As for commenters like Erosquare. I know where you came from. I know who sent you. You will not succeed in your pitiful attempts to take away our backers. I thought that "competitors" company were better than that. I was wrong.
The next portion of text I dedicate to our backers, to those who believe in our success. And even when in doubts, they act considerately, they are able to see the potential of our product and they are truly looking forward to see the realization. Guys, thank you. You are our inspiration. It is the fact that you are here helps us going further, together we believe that the future of portable gaming devices is in such form-factor as PGS has. Perhaps, one day there will be the more stronger players on the market creating something that exceeds our works, but we believe that the idea of our product will prove this is the truly demanded type of device as well as the need for further developing the idea. Thank you for confidently ignoring the nonsense of our foes. Thanks for not responding to their provocations, they will try to eliminate us by all means.
We won't let you down!
Best regards,
Nadir
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 12:57:57 am
:o

I feel comforted knowing that I am actually the anti-Ricardo and that we will cancel each other out.

Or is that bad? Will I cease to exist?

 ???

It will be a matter-antimatter collision. The results will be devastating, and cool to watch. I'll bring popcorn.

....  Thanks for your support ?

No Gamelunatic 5000 for you    >:(
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 17, 2016, 01:04:02 am
Kind of amazing. They continue with the name calling, and are now blaming GPD - while GPD has actually been one step ahead of them at every turn. Every one of their progress updates retaliates against an issue GPD has found and has been working to fix (as they admitted it was an issue) - such as the cooling.

Also, since the hardware on the GPD Win and the PGS is the same now (z8750), performance should be the same, apart from throttling caused by thermal limitations. Since GPD actually has a case and can actually show us true-to-life performance, they are better in every way than the PGS. I don't get why they would point that out - it's a pretty big flaw in their logic.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 01:06:12 am
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PGS LAB Creator about 1 hour ago
Something like "People, cancel your pledges, come with us in GPD, we are so cool, we have a better prototype" etc. I'm sorry that I may be excessive but I'm telling about my position.

They try to ignore it but I will remind. On the crowdfunding stage they didn't have ANY prototype (compared to us).

Those f***ers makes an emphasis that we do not have a prototype. I would tell those jerks from rivals to open their eyes wider.
Nadir

Wait, what?

They think GPD is responsible for the opposition? I'd be really really surprised if that is the case.

Also now their corporate leader has officially called GPD the f-word. That's even worse than the a-word comment.

I'm pretty sure GPD has nothing to do with this.

Nadir, if you are reading this, NEWS FLASH: The opposition comes from individuals like myself who have a healthy sense of skepticism about your product and are feeling alarm bells going off in the back of our head saying "something seems fishy about this product".

I haven't personally seen all this "spam" they are talking about on youtube and KS, but mostly I just keep up with the PGS drama through Dingoonity and a little bit of reddit.

This is seriously out of hand though guys. There is no need for Ricardo to lash out at us like this.

I hope the backers see that message from PGS's leader, and if they still choose to fund the project, I won't shed a single tear when they complain about the $300 hole in their wallet.

P.S... Just to add to my statement to Nadir: If the "spammers" are mentioning GPD, it's because they believe it is a better product from a reliable company. There's this thing called a marketplace, and corporate competition. And if one product is viewed as better or more desirable by the consumers, it is going to be mentioned by those consumers.

It would be just like if Coca-cola released a new product that nobody liked, and everybody posted that "Pepsi's so much better!" and then Coke blamed Pepsi for planting a bunch of spam because nobody liked their product?

I don't think so.

/facepalm....  These people are idiots.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 17, 2016, 01:13:56 am
Their drama continues! So someone in the commends on their kickstarter had the bright idea of accusing someone who was bashing them of being from GPD. Now PGS has taken that idea and ran with it. On their latest blog entry, they're claiming that their competition is behind the whole damn thing now and they are trying to derail their campaign in order to help boost their own. They even call GPD out without saying their name. Here's from the blog on their website:

"During the last days our project and all web pages were brutally attacked by spammers. They aim to:

- smear our status

- confuse our backers

- make the backers leave our project and so contribute to their own product's development.

The main goal they're obviously trying to achieve is blocking our campaign.

They spam endlessly trying to smear as much as possible.

To those who desperately try to smear our campaing (our competitors) we advise to apply their forces and means (which they spend to hinder us) to create a decent product, able to meet our competition! As it's absolutely clear now that your present project looks quite miserable, let's face the truth.

Thank you for staying with us!"

Oh man, i certainly hope they get thoroughly shut down now. It just goes to show that kickstarter only seems to be about the money.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 17, 2016, 01:21:22 am
Okay, just got finished looking through their youtube (because, it would be the quickest to check) and I don't see something resembling spam. Heck, not a single comment double posted, and there's more positive feedback than negative, soooo, off to check their facebook.  8)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 01:21:37 am
Oh man, i certainly hope they get thoroughly shut down now. It just goes to show that kickstarter only seems to be about the money.

Yea I'm gonna have to agree with you there. I don't want to be the one to press the button on it, but I hope somebody makes kickstarter aware of Nadir's "responsible comments". If KS doesn't shut it down at that point, you know they are sketchy and they should probably be the subject of more scrutiny.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 17, 2016, 01:22:44 am
Oops. Looks like I was late to the party. Hadn't checked the other posts before my last one

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 01:24:10 am
Okay, just got finished looking through their youtube (because, it would be the quickest to check) and I don't see something resembling spam. Heck, not a single comment double posted, and there's more positive feedback than negative, soooo, off to check their facebook.  8)

Interesting. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to also look at the profiles of the users who posted and see that most of them have had existing youtube accounts for years and plenty of posts about other topics as well?

If that is the case, then GPD would have to be really powerful and also have an insane level of foresight to plan out all these spam accounts so they look legit.

Haha
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 01:25:02 am
Oops. Looks like I was late to the party. Hadn't checked the other posts before my last one

It's cool man, you still posted your opinion about it which I'm definitely interested to hear.

Let the trainwreck continue to unfold!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 17, 2016, 01:25:08 am
Oh man, i certainly hope they get thoroughly shut down now. It just goes to show that kickstarter only seems to be about the money.

Yea I'm gonna have to agree with you there. I don't want to be the one to press the button on it, but I hope somebody makes kickstarter aware of Nadir's "responsible comments". If KS doesn't shut it down at that point, you know they are sketchy and they should probably be the subject of more scrutiny.
I've read in multiple places that multiple people claim to have reported them already and yet they still are there. Maybe they have a deal with kickstarter for like 30% instead of the usual 10

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 17, 2016, 01:38:50 am
KK, heres my list of "spam" for facebook timeline: (AKA word for word copies on multiple posts):

(2 times copied) Dirk Loose-  Ehm you serious? U promised an AMOLED in the hardcore-Version. Not in a stretch goal! And wtf: When reaching 1.000.000$ u're thinking about AMD? U know s.th. about their TDP, thermal issues and their crappy CPU-Power? Pls delete this goal. It will delay the device massively and many backers will cancel their support if you're serious with this.

this is one of the most recent comments on one of their posts.....but that was it for word for word copies......ON TO TWITTER  8)

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 17, 2016, 01:47:08 am
Oh man, i certainly hope they get thoroughly shut down now. It just goes to show that kickstarter only seems to be about the money.

Yea I'm gonna have to agree with you there. I don't want to be the one to press the button on it, but I hope somebody makes kickstarter aware of Nadir's "responsible comments". If KS doesn't shut it down at that point, you know they are sketchy and they should probably be the subject of more scrutiny.
I've read in multiple places that multiple people claim to have reported them already and yet they still are there. Maybe they have a deal with kickstarter for like 30% instead of the usual 10

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I can't imagine a situation where kickstarter doesn't put this campaign out of its misery. The next few updates will determine it I believe.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 17, 2016, 01:51:31 am
Checked Twitter, NO spam at all... I guess it's the Kickstarter?  ???

On a side note: I now know that the russian version of the : ) face is just a )

interesting!  8)

New News: Smach Z is back with "investors".....

This is sounding more and more like an abusive relationships anonymous group....

Well back to the Kickstarter comments *gasp* -diving in-
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 17, 2016, 02:10:19 am
Holy crap, and I thought this board was a bit on the negative side!  :o

Kickstarter commenters Gr8one and and erosquare are tearing down the kickstarter in the ks comments! I don't think it's spam (no copying so far), and their english seems a bit too good to be connected to the horrid affair that is a usual GPD website/product description; but Gr8one might be the "spam" their talking about, with links to GPD more than once and being the most active "nay-sayer" on the comment section.

Either way, spam isn't the right term for it, but jeez has he been putting on a show for the other backers.  :P

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 17, 2016, 02:18:44 am
Holy crap, and I thought this board was a bit on the negative side!  :o

Kickstarter commenters Gr8one and and erosquare are tearing down the kickstarter in the ks comments! I don't think it's spam (no copying so far), and their english seems a bit too good to be connected to the horrid affair that is a usual GPD website/product description; but Gr8one might be the "spam" their talking about, with links to GPD more than once and being the most active "nay-sayer" on the comment section.

Either way, spam isn't the right term for it, but jeez has he been putting on a show for the other backers. 
If I felt like risking a dollar (I'd probably forget to take back my pledge), I'd be right alongside him. This whole thing is atrocious. Especially the way they keep lashing out at everyone. Makes you wonder if they would throw a temper tantrum at an investors meeting if they didn't get their way.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 17, 2016, 02:20:09 am
Holy crap, and I thought this board was a bit on the negative side!  :o

Kickstarter commenters Gr8one and and erosquare are tearing down the kickstarter in the ks comments! I don't think it's spam (no copying so far), and their english seems a bit too good to be connected to the horrid affair that is a usual GPD website/product description; but Gr8one might be the "spam" their talking about, with links to GPD more than once and being the most active "nay-sayer" on the comment section.

Either way, spam isn't the right term for it, but jeez has he been putting on a show for the other backers.  :P

FYI i'm not a GPD shill lol, also i'm Canadian so any flaws in my English are from typing in little comment boxes and not proof reading ;). PGS are using misdirection to avoid the obvious lack of information on their device. Some other commentors mentioned the GPD Win indie gogo and they have ran with it ever since. Also there are a lot of questionable backers providing unquestioning support and accusing everyone who disagrees with their campaign as GPD trolls. They all have accounts created in the past week when PGS funding started dropping, not backing any other campaign, comment in broken english, and do the typical Russian )))))) smiley. Take information as you will.

edit:

I should add I have never once posted a link to GPD Win indie gogo and I have no idea where you are getting that information from. I mentioned them once when I was accused of being part of GPD which is complete bulloney although I have preordered one, as well as a Pyra. I don't discriminate and I am brand agnostic.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 17, 2016, 02:24:54 am
If I felt like risking a dollar (I'd probably forget to take back my pledge), I'd be right alongside him. This whole thing is atrocious. Especially the way they keep lashing out at everyone. Makes you wonder if they would throw a temper tantrum at an investors meeting if they didn't get their way.

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Come join us. I've gotten a ton of value out of my dollar. Ask questions and make them sweat. Hopefully kickstarter shuts them down before too many people are hurt.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 17, 2016, 02:39:58 am



Come join us. I've gotten a ton of value out of my dollar. Ask questions and make them sweat. Hopefully kickstarter shuts them down before too many people are hurt.

But then they'd just think I've been hired by GPD as well for conspiring with the great Gr8one! They do get notified every time one of us posts on here btw. Unless they turned their notifications off that is. Plus I'd probably end up saying something totally innappropriate about Mother Russia and end up on a watch list somewhere.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 07:55:18 am
So guys, I was thinking about this some more a while ago and I have some more comments, I guess directed to "Nadir" aka Ricardo aka whatever:

Why would GPD waste its time and risk its public image by slandering PGS? What would they have to gain from it? They are already an established and successful company. They have been in competition with JXD for several years now and as far as I know there is no weird mud slinging war between those two companies.

Also, they really have nothing to fear from PGS anyway. 1st for the obvious reasons (Because there's a 95% chance that it's a scam anyway), and even if PGS does actually come to market in the future (against all odds), why would GPD want to slander PGS? It would be competition in the marketplace which would probably just drive healthy innovation between the two companies and then they could try to out-do each other with better and better products, kind of like the competition between Intel and AMD or something like that. Ultimately this kind of competition would cause more interest in the market as a whole and drive up sales for both companies.

The other thing that I'd like to mention is this:

Quote
As for commenters like Erosquare. I know where you came from. I know who sent you.

Uhh... That sounds kind of like a threat. Not directly, but reading it makes me uncomfortable. I don't know anything about what Erosquare has said or done, but singling out individual users sounds like an incredibly bad idea.

My guess is it's an idle threat based on PGS's bizarre assumption that this has something to do with GPD.

As an analogy, let's say I thought there was malware on my system and I thought somebody was spying on my screen and reading everything I typed. Then regardless of whether I really knew somebody was spying or not, I could open up a notepad window and write a note to them: "I know you are spying on me. You should feel ashamed of yourself". Or whatever. If there really was somebody spying, then it would let them know that I was aware of their presence, or at least the possibility of their presence. If there really wasn't anybody, then it wouldn't matter anyway and no harm would be done.

The difference here is that if PGS is wrong about GPD, then instead of "no harm done", they have unwittingly embarassed themselves and taken away any shred of credibility that they may have had remaining.

Also: The reckless abandon with which PGS is willing to display in order to lash out at the community is ALARMING. Assuming that PGS ever does somehow make it to market (again, against all odds), how can we really trust this device? How do we know that PGS hasn't installed a rootkit on every one of them and it's mining our online banking passwords and selling it to Chinese hackers on the dark web?

I mean seriously!? How can they ever be trusted, if they're going to act like this.

After knowing what you know about Ricardo and how he likes to slander and call individual users the A word and F word, do you really want to buy a device from him and put all your personal contacts and data on it and use it in your every day life?

Seriously?

Just to be clear so that I'm not misquoted by Ricardo later: I'm not saying that PGS devices WILL have a rootkit installed on them. Obviously I can't know that at this point in time in July 2016. But I'm saying that the possibility exists and that PGS cannot be trusted.

At one point, I thought the PGS device looked pretty cool and I might even get one later on if they ever actually existed. Now, I would never ever buy one ever, in fact if somebody gave me one for free I would destroy it with a baseball bat because I would be afraid it would be spying on me.

They have completely shattered any credibility they ever had, now and forever more.

Ricardo/Nadir/Whatever: You have failed. You may as well just give up now, change your identity and move on to your next scam.

And with that, I conclude my argument.

Good evening.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 08:49:50 am
P.S.... I refer to Nadir and Ricardo as the same person now. Even though the Russian actor whose name starts with a K or something like that, is only supposedly a "product designer" and Nadir is the CEO, we really don't know whether any of these people are real people anyway, or are who they say they are. Therefore it is not only convenient but also funny for me to refer to them all as Ricardo.

Also, if you weren't following my particular line of humor all along, Ricardo is just the name I gave to the guy in the kickstarter video with the wonderfully styled dark hair, who you see talking but you don't actually hear his real voice.

Also, I just noticed that in the KS video, Ricardo's role in the company has been labeled as "Product Designer", but later when they posted the roles of all the employees, his title is listed as "Community Manager".

PGS, can you explain that?

Seriously, this thing has more holes than swiss cheese. I think part of the reason so many people are scrutinizing it is because it's like unraveling a mystery novel. And also like watching a car accident or trainwreck, you don't really want to watch it but you just can't turn your head away as you are passing it      ;D

Edit: I just became a $1 backer so I could reiterate some of the points I made here on the KS page.

We need to band together to remind ourselves to pull our pledge by the end of the month!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 09:25:52 am
Haha OK I really apologize in advance for making several posts in a row, but I hope you all will forgive the creator of the gamelunatic 5000, I'll give every dingoonity member except for PGS a free gamelunatic.

Anyway, I'm finally taking the time to read the comedy hour that is the kickstarter comments.

There's a user named "BB" who appears to be pretty obviously somebody planted from PGS trying to boost morale:

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BB about 8 hours ago

@Gr8one
I repeat my comment
I compared your GPD and PGS.
On the PGS, I would be more comfortable to play. By construction and design it is more like a portable console.

GPD - this is a netbook with two stick, it must stand on a table, it is inconvenient to keep your hands and especially to play games. It is unclear why it has such a form for playing or working in the office?

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@PGS LAB
The good news, very happy for you!
Your PGS really interesting and unique device, I expect a speedy start of production!

Broken English? Check
Vague comments about why GPD sucks? Check
Random comments about "speedy production"? Check.

Hahahaha
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 17, 2016, 09:38:02 am
Guys, if you have legoitiamte concerns/questions, then by all means feel free to ask questions on their KS .

But IMO, it's low to troll them and just be nasty.   
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 09:42:59 am
Guys, if you have legoitiamte concerns/questions, then by all means feel free to ask questions on their KS .

But IMO, it's low to troll them and just be nasty.   

If you're talking to me, I don't consider my comment on their KS a troll comment. I consider it a fair warning to any real backers who aren't yet convinced that this thing is a fraud.

P.S... I canceled my pledge and my comment remained on the KS page. So if anybody else needs to go make a single comment, the possibility is there.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 17, 2016, 01:15:02 pm
This guy/companys/scammer seems to follow the same pattern over and over again.

1. Make some ridiculous claim about the PGS that will never come to light and provide no proof of claim or concept.
2. Stall/dodge/avoid answering any legitimate questions from anyone with half a brain. If you can dodge a question, you can dodge a ball!
3. Answer illegitimate questions with answers that directly contradict their initial claim.
4. Bring on the haters/spys from "GPD".
5. Make a public post of their outrage where they call out a person/group and proceed to call them a profane name.
6. Receive even more backlash from the community for acting unprofessional.
7. Apologize and promise never to do it again.
8. Totally do it all again.

Honestly, if he thinks he has trolls now, maybe someone to should head to 4chan to tell them about their "campaign" so he can really experience a troll war!

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 17, 2016, 01:55:18 pm
Sorry, my last observation for a while:

The original KS goal was $100k and they have made over $300k.

Is it possible that PGS already put down that first $100k themselves through fake pledges to themselves, to make it appear that their project had legitimacy, and to get the momentum going? Once the unwitting consumers see that the project has already met its goal, that's when they start making real pledges because they had a false sense of security.

Then, once the KS ends, even after they pay the KS fees, they've made $200k. Disappear from Earth for a while, and resurface under a new identity.

How do we know that this isn't Ricardo's first time doing this?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 17, 2016, 02:08:29 pm
I doubt the first 100K was false accounts etc.   That would need a ridiculous amount of false accounts to make a difference.

Anyway, I know people who backed it.  Even people who backed the GPD and Pyra backed it.   Don't forget, this is pretty much a dream device for most gamers.  It's not a surprise people backed it.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 17, 2016, 07:53:29 pm
I doubt the first 100K was false accounts etc.   That would need a ridiculous amount of false accounts to make a difference.

Anyway, I know people who backed it.  Even people who backed the GPD and Pyra backed it.   Don't forget, this is pretty much a dream device for most gamers.  It's not a surprise people backed it.

I would have easily backed PGS had they had a legitimate prototype or been transparent. Every update it has become more apparent that they do not know what they are doing. We will see in the next updates how serious they are about producing the device. I have no problem buying it in the future from Amazon if they are truthful about the investors but it is so very unlikely that an investor would take so much risk when they have shown in the KS they were not prepared and started their campaign with false promises, lies, and deceit. They have moved into defamation with libel against GPD and concerned backer, these aren't qualities of real professionals, how could any investor reach an agreement with these guys?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 17, 2016, 08:25:52 pm
I doubt the first 100K was false accounts etc.   That would need a ridiculous amount of false accounts to make a difference.

Anyway, I know people who backed it.  Even people who backed the GPD and Pyra backed it.   Don't forget, this is pretty much a dream device for most gamers.  It's not a surprise people backed it.

I would have easily backed PGS had they had a legitimate prototype or been transparent. Every update it has become more apparent that they do not know what they are doing. We will see in the next updates how serious they are about producing the device. I have no problem buying it in the future from Amazon if they are truthful about the investors but it is so very unlikely that an investor would take so much risk when they have shown in the KS they were not prepared and started their campaign with false promises, lies, and deceit. They have moved into defamation with libel against GPD and concerned backer, these aren't qualities of real professionals, how could any investor reach an agreement with these guys?
Well in about 2 weeks they will either show a prototype or vanish with the money of a couple of guys. I think they will show another proof of concept and then market it as a proof of product like total liars.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 18, 2016, 08:15:28 am
I doubt the first 100K was false accounts etc.   That would need a ridiculous amount of false accounts to make a difference.

Anyway, I know people who backed it.  Even people who backed the GPD and Pyra backed it.   Don't forget, this is pretty much a dream device for most gamers.  It's not a surprise people backed it.
.

I think there is easily more than twice that amount in fake pledges. It happens more often than you think but KS doesn't have enough resources to police it. Check out this project for an obvious example: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1623845638/zrro-touch-your-tv-from-the-couch/ (http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1623845638/zrro-touch-your-tv-from-the-couch/) And yes, they explained it away as their "investors" contributing to the project and the project has since failed.

Then you have the obviously fake accounts that were all conveniently created in May of this year, added to the fact that they were originally planning to launch the campaign in May, and the glove fits. I can understand them making the fake accounts right now to help them in the comments, but if those have existed since May, something's up.

I see you believe people want this as a dream device, but it has undoubtedly less media coverage than SmachZ but raised more than double their amount raised in just a week. I follow a lot of campaigns and there's nothing exceptional about this one that would cause the numbers to defy gravity. There are TONS of dream devices and flying cars that go to Kickstarter (without a prototype) and they don't get even 1% of their goal. Just because it's a dream device that doesn't mean people throw out common sense. Face it, the numbers are cooked.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 18, 2016, 08:39:28 am
@Pardue

Don't know if you visited the Ouya forums in the past. If you did, you would know it was me that pointed out the dodgy backing on the Zrro.   Different circumstance though for the PGS.   Zrro were struggling to get their goal. Plus it was a handfull of big backing with the Zrro, not hundreds of $300 backers.

PGS may not have gotten a ton of press when the KS launched, but they did get a slow burn of press for months leading up to the KS - months back. They also did the right thing by spreading the word, by the time the KS  started, they had 90K people following them.   I even predicted before the KS went live, that it would go crazy, a ton of people wanted that thing.  It's a little bit like the Pyra got essentially no press when pre-orders started , yet they had a pent up demand from a long time of talking about it and stories about it in the past.  If you look at the Pyra forums, despite 30 pages of negitivity about the PGS and disturbing facts, people still hung onto backing the PGS.   

Plus as I said, I saw people form different forums backing the thing.   Pyrans, GPDians etc.   

So no, they didnt reach the 100K goal because of fake accounts, I don't believe that for a second.  Have they created some accounts to combat trolls on the KS page, probably.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 18, 2016, 09:44:42 am
No, I've never been to the Ouya forums but you give yourself too much credit, I was watching ZRRO while it was live and their endgame was so obvious it never need a hero to point out what was going on there. Trust me, I watched the whole thing, I remember how they were doing well until the moment the Shield TV box was announced and people jumped ship and then they resorted to those shady tactics.

Not only that, you give PGS too much credit. Just because someone has X number of followers or X amount raised doesn't mean its true. Startups manipulate numbers all the time, it helps with algorithms on a site like twitter. Have you seen the amount of votes and likes they get on their twitter postings? Does that look like what you would expect from a brand new company that gathered 90k+ followers in less than a year? Of course not because they're not real people.

I also remember looking up news articles at the time this thing launched. There were a couple of German language articles and one in English from Hardcoregamer. Again, hardly a slow burn or even a spark.

And for a company that was so cocksure of themselves that they had the audacity to launch on KS without a prototype, those accounts set up in May had nothing to do with combating trolls, the spike in negativity took them by surprise. Those May accounts are there to fluff the amount raised.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 18, 2016, 10:22:23 am
I'm not referring to me being the identifier of the Zrro dodgy backer, merely that I was well and truely aware of them having followed them every day.

Lets face it , the PGS is a $280 Z8750 phone with 128GB SSD, 8GB ram etc etc etc, Windows and Android and phone functionality + gamepad and second screen.  Just on those specs alone it would have attracted that many backers with zero outside publicity - just on KS browsers attracted to it's top end Z8750 phone appeal , forget the gaming aspect.

Not sure why it needs a conspiracy theory to explain it. As I said , it wasn't the media they got at launch, it was what they got leeding up to launch over months.  Remember how many forums they spammed.  Plus they did get some publicity back then - ie months ago including gizmodo. 

Also, if they did set up hundreds of fake accounts to prop it up, where are they now? .  Surely they would have used them to counter the drop in backing. 

Plus there's all the people I know that backed it, plus all  the people that claimed to be early backers and then canceled once the shit hit the fan.  Some of them converted to GPD WIN backers and commented there.

Honestly, it's something I would have jumped on myself if I wasn't aware of the questionable things, like them breaking KS rules etc.  Most people would not have been aware of that.   Also, unfortunately, a number of backers, just like the the WIN , come from countries that don't speak English as their first language. So for the warnings that  didn't kick in to later, it would have been hard to read them for those backers.  For example, the second biggest backer nation behind the US (with 300 odd backers) is Japan with 227.


Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: dubsmachine on July 18, 2016, 12:01:33 pm
I was interested and ready to back at launch but chose GPD Win as I could see actual real details and specs vs PGS which seemed at the time to be just a list of specs and no iternal hardware design let alone prototype.
As far as I can see and read they still did not design the main board, now they talk about taking out the speakers from the hardcore model which was something that made me interested in it.

I would like to see the device launch but I am too skeptical from what I have seen and read and now with all this talk of being attacked I am even more skeptical.

I wrote a comment a couple of weeks ago asking when they will have an actual main board designed so maybe I am attacking them instead of being a curious potential buyer who wants to know at least something real exists before putting down my money.

Now PGS instagram has a picture "we are under attack, don't panic" and I just don't buy into all this under attack stuff but I am sure interested to see how it develops.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 18, 2016, 04:26:44 pm
lso, if they did set up hundreds of fake accounts to prop it up, where are they now? .  Surely they would have used them to counter the drop in backing. 

They have hundreds of accounts, but only one guy to manage them all. Ricardo only has a limited amount of time/resources, so he's using the "BB" account and a couple others to combat the negative comments.

Also just a random comment vceloeiro1, you seem to be so concerned about "trolls" on KS, presumably because Kickstarter's etiquette is to "keep comments nice"....   What you're not mentioning is the fact that Kickstarter itself seems to be shady here and they are overlooking this entire sketchy situation, despite multiple people reporting the campaign. [And if it is true that they're not supposed to use CGI renders and they need a real prototype, why hasn't it been shut down yet? I think KS needs some accountability here too] So the reason people are "trolling" is not to be mean or difficult, it's because there is something WRONG with this whole situation. And if Kickstarter isn't going to take notice, why should we bother following their etiquette?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on July 18, 2016, 10:48:31 pm
I'm not referring to me being the identifier of the Zrro dodgy backer, merely that I was well and truely aware of them having followed them every day.

That's not what you claimed.
@Pardue
Don't know if you visited the Ouya forums in the past. If you did, you would know it was me that pointed out the dodgy backing on the Zrro.   Different circumstance though for the PGS.   Zrro were struggling to get their goal. Plus it was a handfull of big backing with the Zrro, not hundreds of $300 backers.


They have hundreds of accounts, but only one guy to manage them all. Ricardo only has a limited amount of time/resources, so he's using the "BB" account and a couple others to combat the negative comments.

True. They can't even keep up the lie that Nadir locked himself in his office for three days while he was supposed to be in China. Plus, they did try to spam with three very obvious fake account comments in a row and stopped after they were called out on it.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 18, 2016, 11:40:15 pm
True. They can't even keep up the lie that Nadir locked himself in his office for three days while he was supposed to be in China.

What's the story with that? I'm not familiar with this part of the legend.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 19, 2016, 12:26:29 am
I'm not referring to me being the identifier of the Zrro dodgy backer, merely that I was well and truely aware of them having followed them every day.

That's not what you claimed.
@Pardue
Don't know if you visited the Ouya forums in the past. If you did, you would know it was me that pointed out the dodgy backing on the Zrro.   Different circumstance though for the PGS.   Zrro were struggling to get their goal. Plus it was a handfull of big backing with the Zrro, not hundreds of $300 backers.


Yes, I was referring to how I pointed it out there on the Ouya forum - ie not generally exposing them for the first time anywhere.   It was in reply to you talking about the Zrro, I was merely saying I knew about it, as I had exposed it on the Outya forum myself. You had already said, to start with, that you saw it independently

IF you do believe there are a ton of fake accounts used to back it.  Then my question still stands, where are they now, why are they not being used to prop up the campaign against all those backing out?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 19, 2016, 01:47:14 am
True. They can't even keep up the lie that Nadir locked himself in his office for three days while he was supposed to be in China.

What's the story with that? I'm not familiar with this part of the legend.

Nadir had a meltdown on the comments, swearing and calling people trolls and whatnot. Within minutes a new member appeared named Alec (Nadir created an Alias to keep the heat off him). A day later in a comment he stated that Nadir was in China securing manufacturing. A few days later they did their 50% SoC speed increase update where the update stated that Nadir had been locked in his office for 3 days straight when he came to his brilliant idea of putting a fan into the PGS to increase speeds and stop throttling by 50%.

Nadir in China Quote by "Alec" (Nadir):

(http://i.imgur.com/2qqqstL.png)

The 50% update where they say Nadir was locked in his office for 3 days (100% Nadir himself posted this btw, he never went to China):

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1606226331/portable-console-for-pc-games-pgs/posts/1627809

(http://i.imgur.com/H2SUCEU.png)

Then a savvy comment from a confused backer and reply from PGS Lab (Nadir who was supposedly in China and was not commenting on KS for the days previously or after *BUSTED*) saying it took time to translate his own update to English (lol ok, but you can comment in English without problem and it's your own words so who needed to translate it?!?):

(http://i.imgur.com/2cwdaJN.png)

Finally Nadir our hero returns from China (no he didn't he was posting as Alec, and never left home, and Sergei the engineer doesn't exist, he was just an actor in the promo video), this post is the beginning of the post where he called eveyone b**ters and f**kers i included the image but it's so good I threw the quote in for you too!:

(http://i.imgur.com/qHMW3dH.png)

Quote
PGS LAB Creator 2 minutes ago
Hello our dear backers!
I am here with you again. Today I returned back from China and I have something to share with you.
The first and the most important. We have signed the contract for developing and manufacturing our devices by one of the leading China\Taiwan microelectronics manufacturers. Under our thorough control, according to our requirements and with our help they will develop both versions of PGS, as well as be responsible for warranty and post-warranty services. They will also take care of manufacturing the main accessories. Later I will share more details about our partner.
Secondly. I've already told you about it, but many of you don't know. We've got an agreement with our investment fund. The agreement comes into force in case of successful Kickstarter campaign. The investing side will be obligated to cover all expenses on production line, producing starting batches of devices, warranty and also other expenses related with the business. Currently I'm negotiating about creating a mini-fund which will ensure the cash back for every backer on this Kickstarter campaign who invested the money, in case the backer changes his mind about having PGS before the official release. I'll try to provide you such opportunity.
To sum it up, the future of the PGS is in safety. The device will make a revolution in portable gaming no matter what our haters and enemies do.
Third. About our foes. In China I was monitoring the mail, private messages on KS, comments on KS, on YouTube, on Twitter, Instagram, even some forums. I've also noticed the unpleasant situation with the KS funding in recent days. Having analyzed the content, messages and comments with our colleagues I've come to a conclusion that we are being attacked by competitors, it's a massive spam attack. There are several people day after day are trying to blacken us. Not only the human resources are used, even spam auto-generating systems work. For instance, our YouTube channel is being daily attacked by about several hundreds of similar messages from bots. Do you know what's the point of all these messages? Something like "People, cancel your pledges, come with us in GPD, we are so cool, we have a better prototype" etc. I'm sorry that I may be excessive but I'm telling about my position.
So, everyone who is a part of this humiliating action, those b**ters who can't compete fairly, instead of supporting the revolution in gaming, they are trying to eliminate us as a threat. They realize that the PGS can ruin their works and to significantly reduce their sales. And we will make this great gaming future, I personally will make it possible.
Do you wants some interesting facts about that "competitors"?
They try to ignore it but I will remind. On the crowdfunding stage they didn't have ANY prototype (compared to us). And even that device which was shown after the campaign was in fact a device based on the weakest variation of the Intel Bay Trail. Even DMC4 runs with 15 FPS on it.
Those f***ers makes an emphasis that we do not have a prototype. I would tell those jerks from rivals to open their eyes wider. The prototype is presented in the bottom of our KS page, and closer to the campaign end we will try our best to present the improved version. Don't like that the case was printed on a 3D printer? Feeling uncomfortable that it is not based on a custom PCB? Those rivaling dumbs are trying to prove that this isn't a prototype at all. I would tell them to stop fooling our backers, just take a look on a definition of the prototype and then keep talking your bull*hit in some other place.
I've also noticed on the NEOGAF forum that some "unique" people appeal others to intentionally throw mud in our comments, to report on our project. Fortunately, opinions of that auditorium will not obstruct the creation of our device.
As for commenters like Erosquare. I know where you came from. I know who sent you. You will not succeed in your pitiful attempts to take away our backers. I thought that "competitors" company were better than that. I was wrong.
The next portion of text I dedicate to our backers, to those who believe in our success. And even when in doubts, they act considerately, they are able to see the potential of our product and they are truly looking forward to see the realization. Guys, thank you. You are our inspiration. It is the fact that you are here helps us going further, together we believe that the future of portable gaming devices is in such form-factor as PGS has. Perhaps, one day there will be the more stronger players on the market creating something that exceeds our works, but we believe that the idea of our product will prove this is the truly demanded type of device as well as the need for further developing the idea. Thank you for confidently ignoring the nonsense of our foes. Thanks for not responding to their provocations, they will try to eliminate us by all means.
We won't let you down!
Best regards,
Nadir

Enjoy!

edit: Bonus original Nadir meltdown I mentioned that brought Alec (who isn't on the team page btw, and doing Alan's job as community manager). Alan was already proven to be an Actor/Model named Kostas Lucky on his facebook (http://boards.dingoonity.org/other-game-systems/pgs-portable-gaming-system-on-windows-10!!!/msg146955/#msg146955), although he is listed as the community manager he was originally the product designer in their video LOL:

(http://i.imgur.com/9zTnKkq.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7gHwfgy.png)

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 19, 2016, 07:32:02 am
Thanks Gr8one for the backstory. Definitely a load of drama right there.

I think around these parts, instead of saying "goodbye", the appropriate parting comment shall be "let the trainwreck continue to unfold"    :)   

In fact, that sounds like a great forum signature!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DiegoSLTS on July 19, 2016, 03:49:28 pm
Hi, I have a question and I know I should post this into KS's comments, but I'm too lazy to create an account and put money just for one comment. I really doubt they can make it, but I didn't see this question and it's bothering me. If anyone can do me a favor and post this there I'll be really thankfull.

They said their investor will cover all costs and expenses as long as the KS campaing succedes, but the campaign itself has stretch goals. Does that mean the investor will only put money for the stretch goals reached? If that's the case, why? The stretch goals look like randomly placed, and I doubt 50K is a magic number needed for each new feature, so what is actually covered by them? It's like the investor(s) is(are) willing to put a LOT of extra money just because an arbitrary goal was reached.

Also, the 100K base looks arbitrary, why did the investor accepted that instead of, say, another arbitrary goal like 150K? And why does the 100K breakdown still mentions things like "Production", "Packaging and shipping" and "Industrial prototype"? Shouldn't that be covered by the investor too? Shouldn't PGS write an update of what they'll do with the money from KS once the investor starts putting money?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 19, 2016, 04:21:20 pm
Hi, I have a question and I know I should post this into KS's comments, but I'm too lazy to create an account and put money just for one comment. I really doubt they can make it, but I didn't see this question and it's bothering me. If anyone can do me a favor and post this there I'll be really thankfull.

They said their investor will cover all costs and expenses as long as the KS campaing succedes, but the campaign itself has stretch goals. Does that mean the investor will only put money for the stretch goals reached? If that's the case, why? The stretch goals look like randomly placed, and I doubt 50K is a magic number needed for each new feature, so what is actually covered by them? It's like the investor(s) is(are) willing to put a LOT of extra money just because an arbitrary goal was reached.

Also, the 100K base looks arbitrary, why did the investor accepted that instead of, say, another arbitrary goal like 150K? And why does the 100K breakdown still mentions things like "Production", "Packaging and shipping" and "Industrial prototype"? Shouldn't that be covered by the investor too? Shouldn't PGS write an update of what they'll do with the money from KS once the investor starts putting money?
100k is not really a lot of money.
PCB design (6-10 layer board with a DDR4 interface and a many pin bga package and a lot of USB/Pci-e peripherals) and shell design is going to take up half that already. Then there is a real prototype to assemble which will not only take a couple of months it will also take another 10k. They are in well over their heads if they think 100k is going to be enough to ramp up production.

There are all these special features that are totally custom which you have to engineer which takes time and money. It would be a different story if they had people in their team that could actually do parts of the work and see this as a long term investment of their time and money. But it's just a bunch of marketing whacks with no engineering experience it seems. There is only one so called engineer a "japanese" called "Sergei" which is a Russian name and if he's not a board designer it would mean he has to learn to be proficient with a tool set first.
And second it means they would be paying a few grand on a designer package such as Altium.

They underestimated or it is an outright scam.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DiegoSLTS on July 19, 2016, 05:23:39 pm
Hi, I have a question and I know I should post this into KS's comments, but I'm too lazy to create an account and put money just for one comment. I really doubt they can make it, but I didn't see this question and it's bothering me. If anyone can do me a favor and post this there I'll be really thankfull.

They said their investor will cover all costs and expenses as long as the KS campaing succedes, but the campaign itself has stretch goals. Does that mean the investor will only put money for the stretch goals reached? If that's the case, why? The stretch goals look like randomly placed, and I doubt 50K is a magic number needed for each new feature, so what is actually covered by them? It's like the investor(s) is(are) willing to put a LOT of extra money just because an arbitrary goal was reached.

Also, the 100K base looks arbitrary, why did the investor accepted that instead of, say, another arbitrary goal like 150K? And why does the 100K breakdown still mentions things like "Production", "Packaging and shipping" and "Industrial prototype"? Shouldn't that be covered by the investor too? Shouldn't PGS write an update of what they'll do with the money from KS once the investor starts putting money?
100k is not really a lot of money.
PCB design (6-10 layer board with a DDR4 interface and a many pin bga package and a lot of USB/Pci-e peripherals) and shell design is going to take up half that already. Then there is a real prototype to assemble which will not only take a couple of months it will also take another 10k. They are in well over their heads if they think 100k is going to be enough to ramp up production.

There are all these special features that are totally custom which you have to engineer which takes time and money. It would be a different story if they had people in their team that could actually do parts of the work and see this as a long term investment of their time and money. But it's just a bunch of marketing whacks with no engineering experience it seems. There is only one so called engineer a "japanese" called "Sergei" which is a Russian name and if he's not a board designer it would mean he has to learn to be proficient with a tool set first.
And second it means they would be paying a few grand on a designer package such as Altium.

They underestimated or it is an outright scam.
Thanks, I know that 100K is not enough for what they promise and read about the japanese engineer. What I want to know with my questions is how the external investor contract and the kickstarter campaign work together according to PGS. I know some people don't believe them (I'm in that group) and some other people just don't care about it, but I think they should explain that A LOT more than what they explained by now.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Willburn on July 19, 2016, 11:14:25 pm
I have also discovered one more tiny little detail supporting the theory by Gr8one, that our little scammer friend Nadir is using several aliases in the comments. It's actually interesting that this little slip went very unnoticed by the community:

(http://i.imgur.com/2l9TGVC.jpg)

This little mishap actually proves one of two things:

1) Nadir and Alec are indeed the same person and he forgot to switch accounts for his post.

2) They have a very unhealthy habit of sharing account passwords inside their team. (Would you share the Creator account password of a 300+ k crowd funding campaign with random team members? I sure as hell wouldn't!)

Theory 1 seems a bit more plausible in my eyes...
Take it as you will, in the end it's just one of the thousands of red flags this project has to offer  ;)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 19, 2016, 11:19:45 pm
Nice, an actual proof of sock puppets.

I think it's pretty clear right now that this is a scam, so nothing to see here? It's not an actual device that's going to come out.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 19, 2016, 11:21:50 pm
There is only one so called engineer a "japanese" called "Sergei" which is a Russian name

The only credible thing about this is that Japan is literally right across a small sea from Russia. So it's technically possible that his parents were ..... No, just nevermind, this half explanation doesn't even make sense. Just never mind.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 19, 2016, 11:23:41 pm
I think it's pretty clear right now that this is a scam, so nothing to see here? It's not an actual device that's going to come out.

That's what's making it so compelling to watch now. It's like a real life mystery novel or something.     ;D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 20, 2016, 12:59:45 am
Would be nice if Fujitsu could see the demand for a slider phone/Windows UMPC (whether the PGS KS is showing real demand or an imaginary one) and then put out a long overdue successor to the LOOX F07C with Windows 10/Android dual boot (or simultaneous boot with a button that instantly switches between the OSes). The successor should still have the keyboard to keep with the UMPC theme, but they should also incorporate some form of gaming controls. Of course screen size should be 5-6 inches so the device itself can be big enough to house a decent enough battery and the physical controls.
I don't want it to be ridiculously thick, but I'm also sick of slippery, thin devices that I MUST buy a case for.
Hopefully the GPD Win is successful enough with the Japanese so Fujitsu can give the UMPC market at least one final go.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 20, 2016, 01:31:03 am
I have also discovered one more tiny little detail supporting the theory by Gr8one, that our little scammer friend Nadir is using several aliases in the comments. It's actually interesting that this little slip went very unnoticed by the community:

(http://i.imgur.com/2l9TGVC.jpg)

This little mishap actually proves one of two things:

1) Nadir and Alec are indeed the same person and he forgot to switch accounts for his post.

2) They have a very unhealthy habit of sharing account passwords inside their team. (Would you share the Creator account password of a 300+ k crowd funding campaign with random team members? I sure as hell wouldn't!)

Theory 1 seems a bit more plausible in my eyes...
Take it as you will, in the end it's just one of the thousands of red flags this project has to offer  ;)

Great find. I shared your detective work on the Pyra boards too! Now there's this Monty guy. These guys are unbelievable. I mean if you are going to fake some team members use the bloody people you already provided!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Willburn on July 20, 2016, 07:59:06 am
Glad I could help  :)

EDIT:
Funny thing, this Monty Character popped up right after Gr8one linked my post from this forum, exposing that Alec and Nadir are the same person.

Just a mere coincidence or yet another attempt to redirect the heat/attention away from failed scamming attempts.

This is just too predictable. Anyone who cannot see how obvious this scam is has to actively ignore all the facts and is beyond help and reasoning.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 20, 2016, 08:33:49 am
Apparently Monty cant prove who is is , you know , ,like with links to (non recently) created social accounts etc.

He wants to be anoymous. 


Aha, hmm, it's not like we are doubting any team members till now. Totally legit
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Willburn on July 20, 2016, 08:56:29 am
Yep, all I ever read from these people is "I promise...", "Trust me/us...", "We will not let you down...".

Why in the world would I trust some random internet stranger?
That's not called trusting, that's called being naive.

Due to it's somewhat anonymous nature trust should never just be given on the internet, trust should be earned.

If some random person with a mask walks up to you in the street, showing you a couple of hand drawn pictures and promising you to build a computer in a year if you give 300 bucks to him right now, would you just give the money to him and wave as he runs off with it?

It really baffles me how absolutely blind, gullible and naive a lot of people are...

/end of rant  ;)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 20, 2016, 07:12:27 pm
Hey guys, hate to burst the who's who in the Kickstarter comments discussion, but they have some new prototype videos! Tell me what you think, because, seeing as I wasn't tech savvy enough to notice what they used at the bottom of the kickstarter page, I doubt I can make any assumptions for these.

Early prototype #3  tests A and B
#Invalid YouTube Link#

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P.S. they might have turned off all sound so you cant hear those fans anymore, but who knows.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 20, 2016, 07:25:22 pm
I believe it's been mentioned many times before, and PGS themselves have already admitted it on their own KS page:
These "prototypes" are NOTHING MORE than OTHER devices shoved into a 3D printed case. This has always been the case for all their "prototypes".
This proves absolutely nothing about their device other than the fact that they know how to take apart OTHER devices, and then shove them into 3D printed cases. Before they used various Windows tablets. Now they're using a Windows 10 TV box.
There's nothing that shows off their precious dual screen set up, nor their "amazing" telescopic sticks that have never existed before.
IF they wanted to call these "prototypes", this is the type of thing they should have 2-3 years ago, not now when they're half a year away from release. They haven't even done ANY work on the main PCBs for this device at all. At this moment they should already have SOMETHING ORIGINAL to be doing tests on and making sure all the components and traces are doing what they need to be.
The Dragonbox Pyra went through years of REAL prototyping to get where it is now. PGS was supposedly in development for 2 years and all they have to show for it is a bunch of other devices shoved into a 3D case.
Anyway, anyone experienced in console modding would know how to do what these guys did. There's nothing special going on here.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 20, 2016, 07:29:37 pm
I believe it's been mentioned many times before, and PGS themselves have already admitted it on their own KS page:
These "prototypes" are NOTHING MORE than OTHER devices shoved into a 3D printed case. This has always been the case for all their "prototypes".
This proves absolutely nothing about their device other than the fact that they know how to take apart OTHER devices, and then shove them into 3D printed cases. Before they used various Windows tablets. Now they're using a Windows 10 TV box.
There's nothing that shows off their precious dual screen set up, nor their "amazing" telescopic sticks that have never existed before. IF they wanted to call these "prototypes", this is the type of thing they should have 2-3 years ago, not now when they're half a year away from release.
Anyway, anyone experienced in console modding would know how to do what these guys did. There's nothing special going on here.

So nothing has changed aside from a better mold?
I only wish they'd stop using a mouse and show how well the physical controls on the device work.  :-\

Otherwise, idk what they put in the mold, original tech or not, but that's for the other commenters to figure out.  ;)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 20, 2016, 07:31:53 pm
I believe it's been mentioned many times before, and PGS themselves have already admitted it on their own KS page:
These "prototypes" are NOTHING MORE than OTHER devices shoved into a 3D printed case. This has always been the case for all their "prototypes".
This proves absolutely nothing about their device other than the fact that they know how to take apart OTHER devices, and then shove them into 3D printed cases. Before they used various Windows tablets. Now they're using a Windows 10 TV box.
There's nothing that shows off their precious dual screen set up, nor their "amazing" telescopic sticks that have never existed before. IF they wanted to call these "prototypes", this is the type of thing they should have 2-3 years ago, not now when they're half a year away from release.
Anyway, anyone experienced in console modding would know how to do what these guys did. There's nothing special going on here.

So nothing has changed aside from a better mold?
I only wish they'd stop using a mouse and show how well the physical controls on the device work.  :-\

Otherwise, idk what they put in the mold, original tech or not, but that's for the other commenters to figure out.  ;)
They listed what was used. It's a voyo v3 board and an ipega Bluetooth controller. I love that every video is from the same angle. No doubt to hide any wires hanging out.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 20, 2016, 07:33:32 pm

So nothing has changed aside from a better mold?
I only wish they'd stop using a mouse and show how well the physical controls on the device work.  :-\

Otherwise, idk what they put in the mold, original tech or not, but that's for the other commenters to figure out.  ;)

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/012/888/867/cd78521d6718a5f0cade7b3f6429b8f1_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1467131681&auto=format&lossless=true&s=102a9b7169624418db0bce18ad50e282)

This is from their KS page. This is simply yet another RetroVGS/Coleco Chameleon situation. By now I would have hoped that people would be more cautious of these type of scams.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 20, 2016, 07:59:23 pm

So nothing has changed aside from a better mold?
I only wish they'd stop using a mouse and show how well the physical controls on the device work.  :-\

Otherwise, idk what they put in the mold, original tech or not, but that's for the other commenters to figure out.  ;)

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/012/888/867/cd78521d6718a5f0cade7b3f6429b8f1_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1467131681&auto=format&lossless=true&s=102a9b7169624418db0bce18ad50e282)

This is from their KS page. This is simply yet another RetroVGS/Coleco Chameleon situation. By now I would have hoped that people would be more cautious of these type of scams.

guess we'll just sit back and wait for that final video they said will be out by the end of the campaign.
 :-\
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 20, 2016, 10:00:14 pm
So nothing has changed aside from a better mold?
I only wish they'd stop using a mouse and show how well the physical controls on the device work.  :-\

Otherwise, idk what they put in the mold, original tech or not, but that's for the other commenters to figure out.  ;)

Haha the way you phrased this is so funny.

They already showed "how well" the controls work by showing that they don't work at all    ;D
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 21, 2016, 01:15:43 am
LoL you can see the ipega controller pair with the hidden surface under the table. Nothing to show again not that i'm at all surprised. I am surprised that Nadir and Alec are different people, but considering he recruited him from a Russian forum with promise of a cut of KS backer funds and recruited all those shady backer accounts that popped up when things started go south I'm really surprised KS hasn't shut this garbage campaign down.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 21, 2016, 01:29:09 am
LoL you can see the ipega controller pair with the hidden surface under the table. Nothing to show again not that i'm at all surprised. I am surprised that Nadir and Alec are different people, but considering he recruited him from a Russian forum with promise of a cut of KS backer funds and recruited all those shady backer accounts that popped up when things started go south I'm really surprised KS hasn't shut this garbage campaign down.
I'm surprised and I'm not about kickstarter. It appears they've been policing certain comments on the campaign page, but ignoring the dodgy campaign all together. If they kill it now though, they get no money from it.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 21, 2016, 01:34:06 am
I'm surprised and I'm not about kickstarter. It appears they've been policing certain comments on the campaign page, but ignoring the dodgy campaign all together. If they kill it now though, they get no money from it.

IF for some reason this campaign actually finishes and if they run off with the money successfully, I think it would be appropriate for Kickstarter itself to be our next target of scrutiny. And we'll have plenty of evidence of wrongdoing as well.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Gr8one on July 21, 2016, 01:57:10 am
Except for Brad Linder at liliputing and Lon Seidman, there has not been any real coverage on tech or gaming sites of this bizarre campaign. I find it really interesting story with lots of twists and turns and I think they could write a really good piece, and raise awareness which would put KS in a position to act.

Right now it's a few smaller forums and a few backer's complaining, there's not enough bad PR for them atm.

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Nicho-Mania on July 21, 2016, 02:18:36 am
So nothing has changed aside from a better mold?
I only wish they'd stop using a mouse and show how well the physical controls on the device work.  :-\

Otherwise, idk what they put in the mold, original tech or not, but that's for the other commenters to figure out.  ;)

Haha the way you phrased this is so funny.

They already showed "how well" the controls work by showing that they don't work at all    ;D


Did you watch the new prototype videos, because the physical controls (i.e. the buttons and sticks) seem to be used fine in-game; I was just wondering how the controls work on desktop and such. Sorry if it was too general.  ;)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 21, 2016, 02:28:26 am
Still no touch screen overlay. (it's not hard guys it's literally USB you can do it without a custom board)
They connected the screen which is eDP and obviously more work than connecting 2 wires of USB (2 extra if you include power)

The case is extremely thick certainly not the 1.8 cm this may be due to a poor minimum deposit size on their 3D printer. Really they should stop with the mouse and get the touch screen working. Everybody knows you can use your bluetooth mouse with a bluetooth capable tablet.

About the controls at least their stick don't look generic I expected them to use those PS2 sticks you can buy for a few euros from Taobao. I have a constructive suggestion for their next prototype: fix the touch screen, make a real case (you could for example mill a case costs very little if you have someone who knows their way around inventor) and finally get everything into that case and show that it fits and is portable.

Did anyone else notice how the movement of the camera in the second video is out of size with the girl's hand moving the control stick. Bluetooth keyboard/mouse again?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 21, 2016, 02:34:18 am
Did you watch the new prototype videos, because the physical controls (i.e. the buttons and sticks) seem to be used fine in-game; I was just wondering how the controls work on desktop and such. Sorry if it was too general.  ;)

That's because it's an iPega BLUETOOTH controller that they simply paired with the VOYO or whatever tv box or tablet. There's no interaction with desktop using the sticks simply because they haven't switched the pairing mode to mouse mode yet. There's nothing integrated yet (or ever).
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 21, 2016, 02:53:18 am


The case is extremely thick certainly not the 1.8 cm this may be due to a poor minimum deposit size on their 3D printer.

Speaking as someone who owns and operates their own 3d printer, this increase in thickness would only result in a fraction of a millimeter at most (0.1 to 0.4 mm layer height is what you typically find on most 3d printers). The only reason the case is that thick is because they are trying their best to fit anything and everything of their "prototype" into their case. If they wanted to, they could easily scale their printed case down to match the size specs they listed. For instance, I have been able to mimic the case for the Pyra for an upcoming project involving the raspberry pi, but keep running into issues fitting all the components in because they are all off the shelf parts and not integrated into a custom pcb. Therefore, I may need to scale my model up to have everything fit a little better as well. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160721/47cb3786350aa89f7548ea01d3c904bd.jpg)

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 21, 2016, 03:24:40 am
Did you watch the new prototype videos, because the physical controls (i.e. the buttons and sticks) seem to be used fine in-game; I was just wondering how the controls work on desktop and such. Sorry if it was too general.  ;)

I did watch them. They didn't look fine to me. They looked like they didn't quite correspond with the in-game movement. I.e. fakery, but I wasn't even going to bother wasting my breath mentioning it because I thought that would be obvious to everyone else too.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: dubsmachine on July 21, 2016, 07:41:28 am
Except for Brad Linder at liliputing and Lon Seidman, there has not been any real coverage on tech or gaming sites of this bizarre campaign. I find it really interesting story with lots of twists and turns and I think they could write a really good piece, and raise awareness which would put KS in a position to act.

Right now it's a few smaller forums and a few backer's complaining, there's not enough bad PR for them atm.

So all of those logo's from tech websites on their KS are just plastered there without any real backing or articles from those sites?
This is what I thought a while ago as I read some of those sites and never saw an article on PGS.

If so surely this itself is some kind of violation of KS rules?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 21, 2016, 12:04:44 pm
Except for Brad Linder at liliputing and Lon Seidman, there has not been any real coverage on tech or gaming sites of this bizarre campaign. I find it really interesting story with lots of twists and turns and I think they could write a really good piece, and raise awareness which would put KS in a position to act.

Right now it's a few smaller forums and a few backer's complaining, there's not enough bad PR for them atm.

So all of those logo's from tech websites on their KS are just plastered there without any real backing or articles from those sites?
This is what I thought a while ago as I read some of those sites and never saw an article on PGS.

If so surely this itself is some kind of violation of KS rules?
Every one that I checked out in the past had an article. It wasn't anything more than "hey this company wants to do this, we think that's awesome, let's see how they do" type of an article though. And some of them (Gizmodo comes to mind) were on the UK version of the site and not the US one, but have no distinction of that. And all of the articles I read on these sites predated the kickstarter campaign by at least a month and a half if not longer.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 24, 2016, 03:44:58 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160724/900afb1c037195a2b9bf0604168d4650.jpg)

So this just happened... Not sure how Facebook made that connection unless they're all watching us..

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 24, 2016, 04:02:37 am
If you're connected to Facebook in a certain device (always on app/cookies), and you enter a page with a Facebook share/like button - it automatically sends statistics to Facebook about that page.

So it knows you've visited their Kickstarter page, and the strongest connection is to the project leader - Nadir Mirsalov.

Just another reason to avoid Facebook if you care about data security.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 24, 2016, 04:06:40 am
If you're connected to Facebook in a certain device (always on app/cookies), and you enter a page with a Facebook share/like button - it automatically sends statistics to Facebook about that page.

So it knows you've visited their Kickstarter page, and the strongest connection is to the project leader - Nadir Mirsalov.

Just another reason to avoid Facebook if you care about data security.
Ah that makes sense. Doesn't make it any less creepy though.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 24, 2016, 01:59:22 pm


PGS Cancelled the KS campaign. Apparently their investor is going to fund them anyway and they are now also going to start pre-orders on their site

Here is their Pre-order page: https://gumroad.com/l/yeBmO

Oh, now I feel bad. This was PGS's last update:

"
We are leaving but we don't say Goodbye

About 24 days ago, being highly inspired we started fundraising campaign for realization of probably the most ambitious project over the history of portable gaming. It would be a device which is capable to become your smartphone, PC and portable gaming console at once. That device would have potential to reincarnate portable gaming world.

For less than 5 days we collected more than $300.000. Those were very busy days and we got precious experience. With your help we have proven that PGS is highly interesting to people. Despite the raw prototype version, we got nearly 1000 backers from all over the world in our community. Driven by a common idea and vision, we were moving forward together.

The project has made a great social impact: about 1000 articles in the world media, more than 300.000 community members. We are really thankful to everyone who shares our vision of the future.

Unfortunately, such a great impact also attracted the attention of a small group of people who are always trying to spoil others' achievements, to obstruct the progress. We are not much offended, but activity of these people managed to induce suspicion in some part of our community. The detractors were trying hard to convince others that our project is fake and scam and that our only goal is to get money and disappear. At some point even several media resources started believing that it's true.

As a result we were facing the dilemma. In several days the campaign is going to end, we can get the sufficient sum of money for the PGS development, our investment agreements come into force. But.. A lot of people may keep thinking we are a scam project. We were considering various paths and decisions and eventually we've come to the following decision: we are cancelling our Kickstarter campaign. All your pledges will cancel as well. We will get no funds, but that's the price of saving our reputation. Now everyone who still thinks that PGS is a scam, should realize how far it is from truth.

Even though we are cancelling, things are not so bad. Despite the initial agreements with investors that we must finish the campaign, the last meeting ended up with the new agreement according to which our device will be created anyway!

We can say we are not leaving with empty hands. This campaign has made a great impact, increasing our community and indicating the market demand situation. Also, during the campaign we have got hundreds of hints and reviews of our work, which we will use to grow and to make our product better.

Many people would ask: what about achieved stretch goals? All stretch goals, including those which are not achieved yet (except water proof), will be implemented in series devices. Moreover, the Hardcore version will include such features as vibro-modules, NFC, IRDA and FM-radio. Also, as it was mentioned before, the Hardcore version will include active cooling, which will allow keeping constant GPU frequency at 600 MHz. It will add about 50% performance compared to Microsoft Surface 3, for instance (which GPU frequency is 400 MHz in standard conditions).

After the release the device will become available on such stores as Amazon and Gearbest. The price for Hardcore version will start from 360$. This is higher than the Kickstarter price, so to make it fair we are opening the preorder system on pgslab.com Preorder price is 299$. During a month since today you will be able to use a promo code "hardcore". Having entered it on the payment page, you will get an additional discount of 40$ (resulting price would be 259$).

As for the Lite version, its fate is in question. We don't want to cancel it, but also it hasn't gained great popularity in its current state. Perhaps we will revise its conception and pricing in the nearest future.

Everyone who wants to stay tuned, feel free to subscribe to our news feed, you can find the corresponding button in the right upper corner of the pgslab.com

We thank everyone who has trusted and supported us on our way. Thank you so much. We are creating the future together.

Best,

PGS LAB Team
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on July 24, 2016, 02:15:53 pm
Situation feels a helluva lot like Smach Z, except with way more negativity and with these guys claiming that they already have an investor.
Canceling the KS doesn't prove that they aren't a scam.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 24, 2016, 02:22:47 pm
They still haven't addressed any of the issued that were presented - they cancelled their campaign because it was constantly declining. And that's a thing I've never seen before on Kickstarter.

If they'll make it, I'll admit I was wrong. But it doesn't seem they can make it - heck, GPD had to revise their design multiple times to make it practical and to address all of the issues, while they haven't changed their core design and only added more features. This is too far gone in clickbait\scam territory to be real, sorry.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 24, 2016, 02:29:27 pm
While I want this to become a reality in the worst way, I still don't believe it. It sounds more like their canceling to save fave and offering a pre-order through another channel where people can't be swayed as easily. If it ever does come to fruition, I'll be one of the first people to purchase one. At full price no less. But until I see a legitimate working prototype/model of their own creation and not cobbled together from everyone else's work, it remains part of the ether.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 24, 2016, 02:29:32 pm
For all iv'e said in the past.  One thing though in their defense.

The similarities between the Ouya KS campaign and the PGS's is striking.  They had no prototype, and if you watch Ouya's KS video, the similarities are huge.

Look at Ouya's KS video , the similarities with PGS's include:

1) Some 3rd party reference board seeming as if it's the prototype. Check

2) Guy in a workshop sanding a model of the Ouya as like with the PGS. Check

3) Design drawings of the Ouya shown a lot including a stack pinned on a board - as also happened with PGS's video. Check

4) Guy looking over some supposed workers as they sit at their computers. Check

5) Shots of a Japanese/asian designer. Check

6) Scene with the core team members sitting in a meeting room discussing the design. Check

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U39L4mEyIRc


When you think about it, Ouya had no prototype (KS rules were different back then).  Yet they did something simiarly impossible by producing a console for $99.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on July 24, 2016, 03:13:03 pm
The Ouya was outdated the moment it came out, had a really bad controller, and all of its "exclusives" vaporized.

If Ouya is the golden standard for seemingly impossible projects coming true, then at best the PGS is going to be very disappointing.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: silvacrest on July 24, 2016, 04:15:47 pm
The Ouya was outdated the moment it came out, had a really bad controller, and all of its "exclusives" vaporized.

If Ouya is the golden standard for seemingly impossible projects coming true, then at best the PGS is going to be very disappointing.

To be fair, the ouya delivered on what was promised, including the price point, it being disappointing is subjective on an individual basis.

If anyone wants to take a risk on the pre-order, PGS does have a paypal payment option so you do have some sort of cover if nothing shows up  ;)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 24, 2016, 04:16:34 pm
not to defend them, but on their "preorder page", you at least have the option of paying with PayPal... So... maybe not exactly a scam? Or maybe they're banking on people not using them for every transaction? Who knows..
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on July 24, 2016, 04:59:10 pm
Either way it's still not a good idea to pre-order, they still have almost nothing to show except some cobbled together mess that uses parts from other hardware.
If by chance they actually make a handheld ( I'll believe when I see it ) it won't come out for a long,long time.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: dubsmachine on July 24, 2016, 05:27:41 pm
Glad I didn't back this and watched how it developed. I will be keeping this stance until I see a real device on sale.
I wanted the hardcore model quite a lot but it never sat right with me.

If by some miracle it does launch I will happily buy one.

I don't agree with their leaving KS statement and putting so much onto haters and people who challenged the project...a lot of genuine potential buyers has real questions which they took offense too and caused a lot of anger and confusion.

If they had waited until they could show a real prototype before launching their KS a lot of this would of been avoided.

Keep watching I guess.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: SquidwardTentacles on July 24, 2016, 08:44:14 pm
That link to the preorders is already down. I'm not sure that's a good sign.

https://gumroad.com/l/yeBmO
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 24, 2016, 09:54:57 pm
New ordering site is up. Oddly lacking PayPal now.. I certainly wouldn't trust it lol

https://shop.trycelery.com/page/57951724fb13471100ee85c6

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on July 25, 2016, 06:37:53 am
Hey guys, hate to burst the who's who in the Kickstarter comments discussion, but they have some new prototype videos! Tell me what you think, because, seeing as I wasn't tech savvy enough to notice what they used at the bottom of the kickstarter page, I doubt I can make any assumptions for these.

Early prototype #3  tests A and B
#Invalid YouTube Link#

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P.S. they might have turned off all sound so you cant hear those fans anymore, but who knows.

LAFF!  They cut the sound so we can't hear the mismatch of the move joystick vs the keyboard press.  WTF is going on with the incredible input lag?  Notice there's also no analog movement.  Piss poor.  If they were serious about debunking their phony practices, it would be quite simple to show the device disconnected from everything and the gamepad movement slowly increasing and decreasing the view angle change.  I'd even go as far as to show there is no wireless or bluetooth enabled on teh device.  A lot can be faked, but its shit like this that leaves people with no choice but to believe this is bullshit.  They're putting a lot of effort into making stuff here, it seems like this might not be a traditional scam, but just a couple of idiots with an idea and no legitimate experience or know how on how to get from point A to point B.  Instead of being honest, they're trying to cover up their lack of expertise.  The campaign has met its goal.  If you guys were smart, you would wait for a retail product to buy.  The price hike isn't the big from prerelease to production.  I'd rather spend an extra 50$ on the final product that I'm near guaranteed to receive, than risk losing 300$ trying to save 50$.  SmachZ might emerge from the the ashes of its original kickstarter attempt, and GPD has working production models of its original design, with an upgrade slated to drop near the same timeframe as the original.  Holding your money and keeping your options open seems like the no brainer move here.  Of the 3 campaigns, this is clearly the least likely to succeed.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on July 25, 2016, 06:47:51 am
not to defend them, but on their "preorder page", you at least have the option of paying with PayPal... So... maybe not exactly a scam? Or maybe they're banking on people not using them for every transaction? Who knows..

Correct me if im wrong, but doesn't paypal buyer protection only extend 6 months?  If they run the preorder delivery beyond that time frame, im not sure how paypal handles those disputes...  If anyone knows off the top if this isn't the case, or if the 6 months start at the delivery date, please chime in :)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 25, 2016, 03:18:29 pm
The price hike isn't the big from prerelease to production.  I'd rather spend an extra 50$ on the final product that I'm near guaranteed to receive, than risk losing 300$ trying to save 50$. 

Of the 3 campaigns, this is clearly the least likely to succeed.

Well said, my friend.  A resounding "Yes!" from me!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: maarten12100 on July 26, 2016, 07:18:08 pm
Well as I said before if they produce it and it's good I will still buy it. I'm actually a little glad they canceled their KS campaign it gives me some hope that they aren't just smoke and mirrors.

So we'll see whether or not they start shipping these PGS Hardcore devices of them out after the summer.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on July 26, 2016, 11:09:32 pm
Well as I said before if they produce it and it's good I will still buy it.

I won't, because I can't be guaranteed there's not a rootkit on it stealing my online banking info and selling it to Chinese hackers.

Not that I have any money for them to steal, but still it's better to be cautious.

All this sounds funny, but I'm dead serious. I don't trust these people.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: CelaZhra on August 25, 2016, 08:39:58 pm
Looks like PGS Lab has given an answer to my prayers!! It's now in black! The black Hardcore looks amazing, now it's more of my preference than the white one.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on August 25, 2016, 08:46:48 pm
Looks like PGS Lab has given an answer to my prayers!! It's now in black! The black Hardcore looks amazing, now it's more of my preference than the white one.
I certainly hope that this post is sarcasm. Certainly everyone is aware that this is nothing more than a scam by now. I hope at least... If the product ever actually comes to fruition and sees a release, I'll eat my words (and probably buy one) but there has not been a shred of believable evidence that they have the slightest clue as to what they are doing.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: ­ on August 25, 2016, 09:19:17 pm
We have proof of PGS sockpuppeting.
We have a new user with 1 post, containing "new" information.
That new information is a mockup, much like previous mock ups done by PGS.

I don't mean to falsely accuse the new user, but it's suspicious as hell.

Also, yeah, that PGS thing is 100% a scam by now. The first post should just read "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" to discourage all further discussion - it's pointless.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on August 25, 2016, 09:27:26 pm
Accusation seems pretty legit to me. Account created the day before the "news" broke about the colors? 1 post? Odd choice of wording in the post? Is that you Nadir? Or this Alec? Kostas maybe?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 26, 2016, 01:50:19 am
Accusation seems pretty legit to me. Account created the day before the "news" broke about the colors? 1 post? Odd choice of wording in the post? Is that you Nadir? Or this Alec? Kostas maybe?

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That account has been newly created to post that exact message on a number of forums.  Pretty obvious it's a PGS member.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on August 26, 2016, 08:59:23 am
I love PGS. Just let them be, it's like watching a fireworks store burn down.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: NTMBK on August 26, 2016, 02:02:58 pm
Looks like PGS Lab has given an answer to my prayers!! It's now in black! The black Hardcore looks amazing, now it's more of my preference than the white one.

WWYBYWB
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: SONY on August 26, 2016, 03:19:27 pm
P
G
S

Pretty Good Scam
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on August 28, 2016, 02:43:44 pm
If they took the time they used to post the new colors and to actually  worked on  the PGS they might go somewhere, it seems they are trying to hard to make us think it's not a scam.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on August 29, 2016, 12:38:28 pm
PGS is a reputable modeling/talent agency, which dabbles in the handheld PC gaming realm.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Faust on August 29, 2016, 01:14:35 pm
PGS: Pure Goddamn Scam
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: AVahne on September 13, 2016, 05:36:58 am
Now that I think about it, the PGS actually has a lot in common with the Averatec, Erathink Erapalm, MIU HDPC, OCOSMO OSC1, Panasonic Jungle, and any other pre-GPD Win gaming focused Windows UMPC that I missed: it's vaporware.
Though, at the very least, all those devices I listed had REAL fully functioning, or mostly functioning prototypes with a REAL finalized or almost final case and REAL hardware.
Now that I think about it again, it really sucks that we've had soooooo many chances at a handheld gaming PC in the past and not one of them ever became a reality until now with the GPD Win.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: SONY on September 13, 2016, 09:17:54 am
L
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: dmitry_smagin on September 14, 2016, 08:12:27 pm
An article on Russian site clearly stating PGS as a hoax:
https://life.ru/t/%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%8B/902614/po_stopam_taivanchika_kak_russkiie_razvieli_inostrannykh_ghieimierov (https://life.ru/t/%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%8B/902614/po_stopam_taivanchika_kak_russkiie_razvieli_inostrannykh_ghieimierov)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: XC-3730C on September 14, 2016, 08:29:36 pm
Why even go through all this effort for it to be a hoax? What do these guys hope to gain from this?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DiegoSLTS on September 14, 2016, 11:28:40 pm
Why even go through all this effort for it to be a hoax? What do these guys hope to gain from this?

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Money from people?

Anyway, as some people said it may not be a scam, it may be just a team of unexperienced people underestimating the effort to actually do what they say they can do.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on September 17, 2016, 04:46:22 am
Money from people?

Anyway, as some people said it may not be a scam, it may be just a team of unexperienced people underestimating the effort to actually do what they say they can do.

Which would be the best case scenario- they're just naive. But that's giving them too much slack. You have to add that they flat out refused to take constructive criticism, failed to follow up on promised update information, and never came up with a viable business plan other than 'we really really want to do this! Join us!"

It may be ignorance but it's willful ignorance that pushes it into scam territory.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: siegel17701 on September 17, 2016, 04:40:42 pm
Have they made a prototype yet?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on September 17, 2016, 04:43:18 pm
Have they made a prototype yet?

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Not something that I personally would call a prototype. Just disassembled another companies tablet and stuck it in a 3d printed case with a disassembled Bluetooth controller.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: fofo33 on September 19, 2016, 10:26:08 pm
Scam or not?  :'(
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: SONY on September 25, 2016, 01:36:14 am
Scam or not?  :'(

Probably a scam :(
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: davidgilmour on September 29, 2016, 08:59:13 pm
Scam or not?  :'(

Probably a scam :(
They cancelled their KIckstarter. Says enough. This topic can close now.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: fofo33 on October 12, 2016, 01:31:30 am
They have uploaded a performance test:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h-H-uvLzjXteFX4sgp-OwXQixwBGEHtmezSjv4uAb6M/edit#gid=1224150358

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: shinkamui on October 12, 2016, 02:44:29 am
TBH, I'm surprised this product isn't confirmed fake or dead by now.  They're really struggling to stay relevant.  With the gpd weeks away from western hands, and the smach z having a real and reasonably sized prototype now, I'm not even sure what these jokers are doing. Its time to take the money they have now and run back to Russia.


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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: fofo33 on October 12, 2016, 04:46:11 am
Because perhaps it's not a fake....
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: XC-3730C on October 12, 2016, 04:55:24 am
I really hope it is real. The GPD Win is so expensive, and I like the for factor on this better

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: davidgilmour on October 12, 2016, 11:33:42 am
They have uploaded a performance test:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h-H-uvLzjXteFX4sgp-OwXQixwBGEHtmezSjv4uAb6M/edit#gid=1224150358
Lol, where is the evidence of this prototype playing. That video and picture could be taken from my pentium 300 celeron 16MB voodoo PC
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: PGSLab on March 19, 2017, 12:36:47 pm
Hello, dear forum users!

We are very happy to meet all our fans in 2017. All of you will be rewarded for your trust in our great project!
(https://pp.userapi.com/c639916/v639916365/174ee/iS-yVZ6toi4.jpg)
PGS Lab is going to open several new official public pages in social networks where they are still not present. Also you can look at the latest updates in the blog (http://blog.pgslab.com/) and check out the Japanese version (http://jp.pgslab.com/) of our site.

Get ready for exciting and groundbreaking news in the next six months!

In conclusion, we'd like to say that our company will do everything to make communication between us and our followers and fans as clear and transparent as possible.

Keep track of the news!

PS Meet us at the E3! (http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2017/03/pgs-lab-unveils-e3-plans-and-developmentmanufacturing-centres/)
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on March 19, 2017, 09:40:25 pm
Well, I think you have got one tiny chance to win people back.  And that is to show a working prototype beforehand.  That would be great if this could happen at E3 as you plan. Of course people are going to scrutinse that prototype , so make sure it's the real deal and not another Coleco Chameleon situation

.

Also, you say you are willing to listen to people. Here's some suggestions that I feel you absolutely need to do.

1)   Get rid of the bottom screen, now that the top screen covers a lot of the bottom screen when open, it's pointless having it. Plus it was meaningless to start with.   I don't think anyone would use it for anything.

2)  Get rid of the second Mediatek SOC.   The Z8750 is going to be a hungry enough SOC for battery life, having two SOCs working will just be a nightmare.   And lets not forget the huge cooling issue you are going to have with two SOCs

Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on March 19, 2017, 10:10:17 pm
Why is this thread even open still? It's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this whole thing is a scam. The creator has even been shown asking on another forum for people to help with his scam. They've done nothing but ignore or deny any credible question or criticism that has been sent their way. It's clear reading all the baseless tech jibberjabber they keep spewing that they know nothing about what they're "trying to accomplish". Put the final nail in the coffin already and close this thread. It's only giving them further free advertising at this point for a fictitious product that only hurts any real chances of seeing anything real in this realm.

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Pardue on March 22, 2017, 05:20:06 am
Nah, let them do their thing. If they come back to crowdfunding and still have nothing substantial then it will look twice as bad..... I'll make sure of that.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Saber on March 26, 2017, 10:52:31 pm
Anyone know if the preordering form on the website requires instant down payment, or is it only for reserving a position in the queue? If they have accepted money from people, then yes, this is an utter scam given all they have said and haven't done.

These illusory updates every few months are what is referred to as the "long con".
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on May 18, 2017, 02:34:02 pm
So I don't see PGS listed as one of the exhibitors at E3, which starts in less than 4 weeks time.

http://mp037jm24.mapyourshow.com/7_0/alphalist.cfm?alpha=P
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: NTMBK on May 18, 2017, 05:01:30 pm
So I don't see PG listed as one of the exhibitors at E3, which starts in less than 4 weeks time.

http://mp037jm24.mapyourshow.com/7_0/alphalist.cfm?alpha=P

Oh no! I'm starting to have one or two doubts about the legitimacy of their operation!
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on May 19, 2017, 02:11:42 am
I wonder what  will be at E3 this year
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: hellomoto on May 21, 2017, 12:36:54 am
post on wrong topic.  Pls see Smach Z
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: pantwi on June 04, 2017, 05:11:21 pm
Hello, dear forum users!

We are very happy to meet all our fans in 2017. All of you will be rewarded for your trust in our great project!
(https://pp.userapi.com/c639916/v639916365/174ee/iS-yVZ6toi4.jpg)
PGS Lab is going to open several new official public pages in social networks where they are still not present. Also you can look at the latest updates in the blog (http://blog.pgslab.com/) and check out the Japanese version (http://jp.pgslab.com/) of our site.

Get ready for exciting and groundbreaking news in the next six months!

In conclusion, we'd like to say that our company will do everything to make communication between us and our followers and fans as clear and transparent as possible.

Keep track of the news!

PS Meet us at the E3! (http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2017/03/pgs-lab-unveils-e3-plans-and-developmentmanufacturing-centres/)

Dont see you listed for E3 this company is so full of shit!!! its not even funny.
a bunch of scammers. There HQ pics are all photoshopped.
About a year no prototype like get the heck out of here and stop
marketing to us you scumbags. Failed Kickstarter because your a scam.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: DiegoSLTS on June 09, 2017, 12:18:16 am
Has anyone read the latest update on their blog? They're already blaming game developers for not optimizing their games properly.

Quote
Unfortunately, one of the today's trends is that the higher the performance of PC hardware, the less attention game developers pay to optimization of game engines.

It looks like they're saying "We have the hardware to run every new game in the market as we promised a year ago, but developers are too lazy nowadays, so when you get the device and get dissapointed, it's not our fault, it's their's".

They're also promising more impossible things:

Quote
We decided not to ignore this fact, so in our "Gaming section" we are going to provide special patches, configs, and presets for various games to maximize performance of the games running on our hardware.

So... they'll provide special patches to maximize performance on their hardware. That sounds like custom patches made specially with the PGS in mind, right? I mean, they wouldn't post a mod to get the lowest quality to improve FPS and call it a "special patches to maximize performance"...  ::)

Quote
Of course, if such possibility is provided by game developers.
Oh, OK, they'll do it, but if they don't and you get disappointed, blame the develoeprs, they didn't want to cooperate.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on June 11, 2017, 12:53:49 pm
I'm still waiting to see what comes out of this train wreck.
While I would love to see them succeed and be proven wrong they have yet to show anything for all there talk.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: davidgilmour on July 05, 2017, 08:18:27 am
Hello, dear forum users!

We are very happy to meet all our fans in 2017. All of you will be rewarded for your trust in our great project!
(https://pp.userapi.com/c639916/v639916365/174ee/iS-yVZ6toi4.jpg)
PGS Lab is going to open several new official public pages in social networks where they are still not present. Also you can look at the latest updates in the blog (http://blog.pgslab.com/) and check out the Japanese version (http://jp.pgslab.com/) of our site.

Get ready for exciting and groundbreaking news in the next six months!

In conclusion, we'd like to say that our company will do everything to make communication between us and our followers and fans as clear and transparent as possible.

Keep track of the news!

PS Meet us at the E3! (http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2017/03/pgs-lab-unveils-e3-plans-and-developmentmanufacturing-centres/)
Where is the SCAM warning?
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: vcoleiro1 on July 12, 2017, 03:47:09 pm
PGS have made a project update, too long to fully quote, and it's worth a read. But here are some highlights

They claim the XPphone guys who were building the PGS, scammed them. So in search of another manufacturer, all but one told them it was not possible and rejected them. But in the end they supposedly found a group who will do it. They name them in the update.

They claim they have raised $1.6 Million so far in pre-orders. They also say that if anyone wants a refund , they will honor it.

They also listed a number of specs that will change

Anyway, here is the bit about XPphone

"XpPhone developers failure

Entering the ranks of PGS each of us realized that the development of the most advanced portable device in the world is an extremely difficult task even for teams with vast experience and an almost infinite resource base, not to mention us. But we did not expect that it would be so difficult to push the industry forward.

After a long search for a developer team we chose guys who had created XpPhone and XpPhone 2 - and that was a big mistake. Those people turned out to be scammers. They kept giving us false reports for several months in a row, creating the illusion of active work on our product, but the truth revealed: they tried to create their own product using our resources. Fortunately, they had lack of professionalism, and the common sense helped us suspect and investigate the case. A long court trial against the scammers is going to take place, but we didn't get upset, and full of determination we continued to search for skilled contract developers.
"

The complete PGS update: http://blog.pgslab.com/
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: MOFO on July 15, 2017, 10:20:34 am
So basically if this ever comes out ( HAHAHAHA? sure) it will already be outdated by still using the 8750.
I'm lost for words.
GPD will have a 2nd gen Win in the works by then that will most likely blow this thing away in performance .
The only good thing to say is they do put together a pretty slick website.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: robman2122 on July 15, 2017, 11:34:15 am


The only good thing to say is they do put together a pretty slick website.

What if this whole thing has just been a resume for Nadir's graphic design and web development skills?

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Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: Excalibur on July 15, 2017, 01:12:36 pm


The only good thing to say is they do put together a pretty slick website.

What if this whole thing has just been a resume for Nadir's graphic design and web development skills?

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Highly possible... Seems like StopDrop&Retro called out B.S. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ECmCChjnK0) and I kinda believe it. PGS looks too good to be true, though I wish it's going to be a real product that'll come along.

If this was something the GPD Folks are working on, I'd have zero doubt (happy with my GPD Win). Oh well.... Time will tell. I'm just glad I didn't back this project.
Title: Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
Post by: indstr on September 07, 2017, 02:53:26 am

What if this whole thing has just been a resume for Nadir's graphic design and web development skills?


I think you mean Ricardo

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D