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chip

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2016, 01:48:49 pm »
in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory.
Also, Intel's high-end chips tend to be miles ahead of their mid-end chips (which are closer to the lower end). While I don't have specific data because the -trail CPUs are foreign to me, it hits all the right notes.

They're not wrong about dual-channel memory providing a noticeable speed increase, but they are forgetting that the win will use a dual channel configuration - at least according to their KS campaign.

The CPU cores in the X7 are more or less identical to the X5, but run at a slightly higher speed.  The real improvement in the X7 series is the GPU.  Again, the cores are identical, but the X7 gets 16 EUs compared to 12 EUs in the X5.

There isn't an enormous difference between the X5 and X7.  You might see a 10% FPS bump on some games.  Then again, you might see a net decrease in FPS when using both screens, as the PGS has to drive two displays while the win only needs to drive one.  You won't be able to play anything even remotely recent at the native QHD resolution on the hardcore.  720p is pretty much the max that any cherry trail chip will game at.  Honestly, that panel is a mistake.  It's more power hungry, and between the small size of the screen and the limitations of the SoC, you'll never be able to take advantage of it.
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vcoleiro1

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2016, 01:55:14 pm »
That was going to be my next question, ie does the GPD WIN actually have single or is dual channel memory. 

So yeah, it seems they got that wrong also, Chip is right, the Indiegogo campaign does say dual channel

Deen0X

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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2016, 03:12:47 pm »
hi Guys!

i did not realize on this thread.

for people who wants info in spanish, can check here:
http://manguiro.blogspot.com/2016/04/anuncio-pgs-portable-game-system-daulos.html

i gather some extra info:

Current version, there is no GUIDE button.
- The device is XInput enabled (only). the team will check on how to implement a way to swap between XInput and DInput
- L3 and R3 are on the bottom border, near to L1/L2 and R1/R2 buttons
- The second screen is a standard output, and windows will use as standard output. There is possible to use within a on screen keyboard/touchpad, but depends on the games you launch if this is supported or not (take note that many games will minimize or freeze when lost the focus on windows desktop environment)
- The second display correspond to the second output from the SoC. When you plug an external display through HDMI port, the second display will turn off, because video signal will pass through HDMI port.
- The device include a 3G/LTE module, then in Android you will be able to use as fully funcitional smartphone. In windows, there is no software dedicated to this tasks (yet), then the manufacturer will provide tools for basic support for calling and SMS. If you plan to use the device as smartphone, better choice is Android for this.
- Currently the team is working on few prototypes, but they are not in condition for present to public (basically, there are many components and wires, a very "frankenstein" version that is not a good way to introduce the device right now)
- Soon will get a functional prototype similar to the renders. When they get this, will announce on forums, webs and press.

I'll try to get more info about the device.

Deen0X

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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2016, 03:58:24 pm »
about the Z8500-8550

as i understand, this SoC is dual-Channel memory
http://ark.intel.com/products/85474/Intel-Atom-x5-Z8500-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-2_24-GHz

Z8300 is single channel...

chip

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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2016, 04:10:26 pm »
Yes, both the X5 and X7 series SoCs support dual channel memory, while the X3 series only supports single channel.  However, just because a chip supports dual channel, doesn't mean a device necessarily uses both channels.  It is entirely possible to create a device with an X5 or X7 chip that accesses all its memory across a single channel, though that would be pretty dumb.

Luckily, both GPD and PGS plan to use dual channel configurations in their devices.

Saber

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« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2016, 01:06:41 am »
If everyone holds true, the later half of this year is going to be very busy.

ie the GPD WIN, Pyra and PGS all would come out very close to each other.
Doubtful final hardware will ship to customers by year's end from two in this grouping.

Saber

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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2016, 03:47:45 pm »
A modest tempering of the PGS Pro's design:
http://i.imgur.com/P4Kx2OL.png


Here the Dpad and XYAB buttons are slightly more inward to make them more comfortable to press(although this is subjective and perhaps unnecessary to do).

I wouldn't be opposed to having Select, Guide, Start all in a row above center but my thoughts are to reserve this area for cooling if need be. Also, the e-ink screen and telescoping analogs were retired since I believe only a small portion of customers would miss their costliness. Intent is to make the gaming controls a priority.

Subsequently(and my preference), here's the presented layout with Select, Guide, and Start in the upper middle: 
http://i.imgur.com/FzROeJg.png
 

Deen0X

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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2016, 08:33:17 pm »
you did removed the second display?

ARKX

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« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2016, 10:04:06 pm »
I have several doubts about it. Did anyone look at slide mechanism in youtube video? It is unnatural. It seems as if the primary screen could only be lifted up and down changing its angle as if it cannot slide onto secondary screen

Saber

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« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2016, 10:05:42 pm »
you did removed the second display?
Yes. It's more of a gimmick in my opinion that only a handful of people would bother with, but having a secondary screen means everybody pays for it. I feel the same for telescoping joysticks which look good in the video but seem utterly wasteful in component costs. I'd rather they tighten up on substance rather than flash. Those joysticks in the renderings are too low as well for most users which is why I moved them.

An afterthought too is that the sd slot makes sense being on the right edge, the dominant hand side, than on the left edge.

Saber

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« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2016, 10:10:51 pm »
I have several doubts about it. Did anyone look at slide mechanism in youtube video? It is unnatural. It seems as if the primary screen could only be lifted up and down changing its angle as if it cannot slide onto secondary screen
True. The video is more or less an announcement of intent by them. Still a long, long way toward the prototype stage. :)

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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2016, 12:37:44 am »
I think we have to allow some sort of keyboard input, and if they cannot or will not put a keyboard there - a touch display is good enough. I'd even rather have it be an eInk display because it would save on battery power.

Also, in my opinion raised analogs improve the experience, so I'd prefer they kept the telescopic sticks. I don't think it's that much of a gimmick if it really improves the experience and keeps the device slim.

vcoleiro1

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« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2016, 12:44:06 am »
Well , you probably saw this already, but I posted the other day in their thread  that they should use an eink keyboard.  I gave the example of the Samsung Alias 2 eink keyboard

You can see my post about it in their thread here:  http://www.eurogamer.net/forum/thread/319258?start=30#latest-post

Didn't get a reply yet though.

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« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2016, 04:58:50 am »
Huh, the other day I checked their Twitter and it seems they've cleared away all the random looking posts from before. Now it seems they've posted up the images they had on their Instagram. Guess it's nearing the time for the official announcement? The blog now also has a date set for Monday the 18th of this month, so I'm guessing that's official press announcement time.

Saber

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« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2016, 12:27:07 pm »
The issue with a keyboard is position. If it's in the middle between the controls, those keys won't be easy to contact whether e-ink or physical. This is a rather long slider and that 5.7" display can act the keyboard adequately, even though having one screen won't be as appealing for when the person chats and throws a grenade, an untypical practice. The only other patch for a keyboard is underneath the game controls, but this would take expanding the height which would mean limiting pocketability.

As for telescoping joysticks, the stationary ones work fine and I suspect cost less to procure and integrate. Whichever they go with, I'd prefer them not be directly under the Dpad and XYAB buttons. The QHD panel though is the bigger concern. Why bother with such a super high resolution on a small 5.7" screen tasked with gaming? Lots of power toward indiscernible pixels.     

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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2016, 12:47:58 pm »
My guess is that it's going towards extra touchscreen accuracy, and not really towards 2K display. I'd be satisfied with either a 720p or 1080 for the actual display accuracy, and it'd be pretty great if I could select single pixels accurately enough without lowering the display resolution lower than 720p.

And yeah, it's going to take a major part of the battery power. But there have been phones which have done 4K display and their battery lasted for a day, so I guess it's possible.

Deen0X

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« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2016, 03:22:13 pm »
and you always can turn off some of these screens...

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« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2016, 05:45:45 pm »
so tomorrow the 18 is D day. lest see

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« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2016, 10:16:50 pm »
Hello, dear friends.
Thank you very much for your attention to our project. We have read the above, and remembered for a number of interesting ideas, thank you.
The device is in the active stage of creation, much has been done, but much more needs to be done. We welcome your suggestions and ideas. We will try to answer all your questions. You can ask them right here.

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« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2016, 10:18:14 pm »
Hello, dear friends.
Thank you very much for your attention to our project. We have read the above, and remembered for a number of interesting ideas, thank you.
The device is in the active stage of creation, much has been done, but much more needs to be done. We welcome your suggestions and ideas. We will try to answer all your questions. You can ask them right here.
Will it have a USB slot? And Bluetooth?

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