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Title: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on December 19, 2018, 07:55:11 pm
This one actually looks great from initial reviews and is pretty cheap ($39.99 or 31 UK pounds), does NES, GB and GBC which is almost perfect for me. Hopefully they add SMS at some point.
https://www.bittboy.com/collections/bittboy2/products/new-bittboy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5JMjsZR-WY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCyCMpg7FOw

Seems to be a massive improvement over the first one with a Micro SD slot, IPS screen, emulator options etc and retains the tiny size so is a nice alternative to the RS-90. I have one on order, apparently the normal price will be $59.99 so I grabbed one.

EDIT: Apparently it has no illegal roms and has a setting for the proper GB aspect ratio. Also original GB case colours!

Incidentally Banggood have some cheap 32gb Micro SD cards if anyone needs them for these little systems, don't think the new Bittboy works without one inserted:
https://www.banggood.com/Mixza-Year-of-the-Dog-Limited-Edition-U1-32GB-TF-Memory-Card-p-1295486.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN
https://www.banggood.com/SASTFUE-C10-32GB-TF-Memory-Card-p-1377059.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: retrodoodoo on December 20, 2018, 09:37:59 am
Anybody can make customize firmware for it? DM me :)
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Steward_Fu on December 20, 2018, 02:10:39 pm
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5981212479
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on December 20, 2018, 04:53:41 pm
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5981212479

Thanks, for those of us who can't read that (almost all of us!) what is it? Stock firmware image?

Seems like a better option than both the RS-90 and the Odroid Go, although I was playing my RS-90 a lot at work today!
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on December 20, 2018, 05:45:50 pm
Seems to be using this CPU if it's of use to anybody:
http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0198e/Cacheeja.html
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Surkow on December 20, 2018, 06:31:59 pm
Seems to be using this CPU if it's of use to anybody:
http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0198e/Cacheeja.html
Very generic, I wouldn't expect much of a development scene for ARM based consoles. Apparently there's 200-900MHz variations floating around of the CPU included in the device.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: retrodoodoo on December 21, 2018, 02:28:14 am
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5981212479

Thanks, for those of us who can't read that (almost all of us!) what is it? Stock firmware image?

Seems like a better option than both the RS-90 and the Odroid Go, although I was playing my RS-90 a lot at work today!

It is like Lichee Nano coming for the kernel. Possibly it will be another open source handheld. Existing?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on December 21, 2018, 12:11:14 pm
Very generic, I wouldn't expect much of a development scene for ARM based consoles. Apparently there's 200-900MHz variations floating around of the CPU included in the device.

Just to be clear I don't think it needs a development scene, as long as it does what it claims (play 8bit Nintendo games), is a good price and is readily available then it can stand on it's own two feet. The screen looks great and it seems like a bit of thought has been put into the menus and options. Hopefully they update it with SMS emulation then it owuld be complete for me.

I was just curious about what was in it and thought I might as well link to it to save other people the trouble.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Surkow on December 21, 2018, 12:56:42 pm
Very generic, I wouldn't expect much of a development scene for ARM based consoles. Apparently there's 200-900MHz variations floating around of the CPU included in the device.

Just to be clear I don't think it needs a development scene, as long as it does what it claims (play 8bit Nintendo games), is a good price and is readily available then it can stand on it's own two feet. The screen looks great and it seems like a bit of thought has been put into the menus and options. Hopefully they update it with SMS emulation then it owuld be complete for me.

I was just curious about what was in it and thought I might as well link to it to save other people the trouble.
To me the most interesting thing about this piece of hardware is the graphical interface. Pretty cool design.

A development scene doesn't just include people who repackage and recompile existing Dingoo A320 and GP2x emulators. It also includes people who crack open the device, document it, fix bugs in existing open source emulators and write dynarecs from scratch to target low power hardware. A process which could take multiple man years.

Existing MIPS hardware appears "easy to mod" because it's well documented and has tonnes of development resources. You think the RS-97 would be easy to modify if not for a decade old scene which already did all of the work? Without existing development resources being available this device would even have issues with adding SMS emulation.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on December 21, 2018, 05:15:40 pm
I'm not saying community development doesn't matter, just that for the period of time this device is available (lets face it a better alternative will be available in a year or so) it will probably function perfectly fine without anybody directly working on it. It aims pretty low and seems to work as advertised. Obviously the RS-97/PAP K3P absolutely needed somebody to port the old Dingux/GP2X stuff over as they were broken devices on release, much worse than the A320 from memory.

The UI is one of the first things I liked about the new Bittboy, it seems like some genuine thought and design has been put into it rather than being thrown together which is what we're used to. The mini GB form factor is neat too, this is kinda what I wished the RS-90 had been.

Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lazanti on December 22, 2018, 01:19:57 pm
And it has been hacked :)

(http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/111fc8cb0a46f21ff16d1bf8fb246b600d33ae12.jpg)
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Steward_Fu on December 23, 2018, 08:54:44 am
The above image is made by PhotoShop from our QQ(OpenSource Handheld) group.

But the following image is what I am porting into this tiny device:
(http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/6b9e621373f0820221484baf46fbfbeda9641b9a.jpg)
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Jutleys on December 23, 2018, 05:32:01 pm
Good work Steward keep it up we should have this device soon we will support you.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Jutleys on January 02, 2019, 03:00:38 pm
Find my new website for bittboy here https://jutleys.wixsite.com/bittboynew4u

And join my new bittboy discord server here https://discord.gg/9qvpCqy
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 02, 2019, 07:53:05 pm
Mine arrived today, seems like a nice little machine for the money. Screen is very nice, plastics are cheap but fine and the battery is a 700mah GBA SP compatible. It looks absolutely fantastic and is tiny, definitely shows what a well designed aesthetic can do when applied to a cheapo device!

Slight issue with it as it will crash on the save state menu every now and then, don't know if anyone else has experienced this but I've messaged Bittboy about it. Emulation is decent but not perfect - screen tearing particularly noticeable on GB and it does drop the odd frame. Audio seems a little shrill but this may be the speaker rather than the sound emulation. You can drop roms in folders or straight onto the root of the SD. Another drawback which can be solved with a software update is the lack of space for text on the rom selection screen which doesn't fit the whole title in and is slow to start scrolling. This means if you have a few Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Bros etc. games you have to rename them or wait several seconds to see what they are.

Compatibility is pretty good, tried to run my normal problem game which is Race Drivin' on the GB, on the Bittboy it hangs at the same spot it does on the RS-97 and other similar consoles. Everything else I've tried so far runs ok though, even Zas and Sagaia which can display sprite issues on other emulators.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 02, 2019, 08:15:54 pm
Oh btw here are the in game controls:
Volume - Hold Select and press A/B
Brightness - Hold Select and press Turbo A/B
Exit game - long press the R button.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 03, 2019, 03:28:34 pm
Been playing it quite a lot in my downtime today, the weird save issue seems to only happen on NES roms. I put all my roms onto a different Micro SD card and it now happens very rarely, also doesn't seem to happen on every game. Kid Kool seems to be a problem rom, saving frequently causes issues and reloading a state freezes the emulator.

Got a couple of pics to show the build quality, feels more like the original Bittboy instead of the RS-90 which is a shame, the dpad and buttons feel nice though.

(https://i.ibb.co/kKXfnMb/BB1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/s9D58kB/BB2.jpg)
Can see how sharp the screen is with decent viewing angles, NES roms look great.
(https://i.ibb.co/Mf59kRM/GB.jpg)
Gameboy roms have a strange scaling issue which looks a bit jagged, the guy in the Retro Future review stated GB was looked perfect but I don't think he knows all that much.

(https://i.ibb.co/8xth78t/Light1.jpg)
Light shining through the side of the case from the battery/charge LED.
(https://i.ibb.co/hDzd0ZW/Light2.jpg)
Another bit of light bleed, no idea where this comes from as there is no other indicator LED on the handheld! Must be a rogue one on the board.

(https://i.ibb.co/tDRSq2K/Buttons.jpg)
Although the buttons, paint and lettering look cheap the controls actually feel very nice, shame the dpad and buttons aren't textured like the GB/GBP or RS-90.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 03, 2019, 03:31:30 pm
Also anybody looking for cheap but nice cases for this the Lowepro Portofino 20 fits pretty well and is ?2.99:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Real-Leather-Lowepro-Portofino-20-Compact-camera-case-BLACK/401108183672?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

The Palm Pilot case I use for my RS-90 is available again at a bargain price (?1.79 delivered UK) so I bought another for the Bittboy:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Camera-Carry-Case-Pouch-With-Velcro-Fastening-110mm-x70mm-x-20mm/282694248039?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Surkow on January 03, 2019, 03:51:55 pm
Been playing it quite a lot in my downtime today, the weird save issue seems to only happen on NES roms. I put all my roms onto a different Micro SD card and it now happens very rarely, also doesn't seem to happen on every game. Kid Kool seems to be a problem rom, saving frequently causes issues and reloading a state freezes the emulator.

Got a couple of pics to show the build quality, feels more like the original Bittboy instead of the RS-90 which is a shame, the dpad and buttons feel nice though.

[...]
Thanks for the in-depth explanations and extensive photos. 40 dollars is kinda steep for the quality of the device, though!
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 03, 2019, 06:14:04 pm
The quality is ok, I think I'm being hyper critical because a few YouTubers seemed to be going overboard on it. It plays games well and the screen really pops, everything looks colourful vibrant. It's definitely a cool device to leave in your workbag or whatever, the neat UI means you can get into playing roms quickly.

Some systems are just fun little consoles and this definitely falls into that category, I'm enjoying it so far. Was my first day back at work today and I got all my new year prep done early so I shut my office door and spent a couple hours on it playing SMB 3, Sagaia and Castlevania II. Water/cloud transparency trickery on Trip World also works on this which can be an issue with some GB emulators.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Surkow on January 03, 2019, 06:53:54 pm
The quality is ok, I think I'm being hyper critical because a few YouTubers seemed to be going overboard on it. It plays games well and the screen really pops, everything looks colourful vibrant. It's definitely a cool device to leave in your workbag or whatever, the neat UI means you can get into playing roms quickly.

Some systems are just fun little consoles and this definitely falls into that category, I'm enjoying it so far. Was my first day back at work today and I got all my new year prep done early so I shut my office door and spent a couple hours on it playing SMB 3, Sagaia and Castlevania II. Water/cloud transparency trickery on Trip World also works on this which can be an issue with some GB emulators.
Being critical is fine. I'll probably get one if they are on sale in the coming years. Currently the RS-90 has more bang for buck.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 03, 2019, 07:22:54 pm
I think I paid ?25 for the RS-90 and ?31 for the Bittboy (well the Bittboy was a gift from Mrs. Lemmywinks so technically she paid for it!) so the difference isn't massive, the RS-90 was one of my most played handhelds last year along with the GPD Win. I love that little thing, it doesn't do anything particularly well but hopefully it can run CFW at some point, with the micro handhelds all I want is 8 bit console and handheld emulation really. I think if the Bittboy got SMS/GG emulation using the official firmware I would leave it like that, the UI is very nice.

There's still the resolution problem with the RS-90 though so maybe anything other than handheld roms will always look a bit borked, plus mine is a little worse for wear due to travelling in my work bag full time. I have a couple of dead pixels now and recently had to open it up to bend the speaker contacts as audio was cutting out.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Surkow on January 03, 2019, 10:18:10 pm
I think I paid ?25 for the RS-90 and ?31 for the Bittboy (well the Bittboy was a gift from Mrs. Lemmywinks so technically she paid for it!) so the difference isn't massive, the RS-90 was one of my most played handhelds last year along with the GPD Win. I love that little thing, it doesn't do anything particularly well but hopefully it can run CFW at some point, with the micro handhelds all I want is 8 bit console and handheld emulation really. I think if the Bittboy got SMS/GG emulation using the official firmware I would leave it like that, the UI is very nice.

There's still the resolution problem with the RS-90 though so maybe anything other than handheld roms will always look a bit borked, plus mine is a little worse for wear due to travelling in my work bag full time. I have a couple of dead pixels now and recently had to open it up to bend the speaker contacts as audio was cutting out.
I paid around 20+ euro for my RS-90. It apparently uses a normal GB Micro screen. They should be relatively easy to source (and affordable). The plastic shell is rather brittle, though. I might have to arrange a new battery hatch for mine.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 03, 2019, 10:45:40 pm
Yeah the clip on the battery door definitely seems like it's made of that plastic which wants to snap rather than bend, the one on the Bittboy is no better tbh.

Found another annoyance with the Bittboy - the roms on the SD card keep the same order they are added in the roms list, so you end up with a new alphabetical list added onto the end of the last one each time you add roms. Very annoying and needs fixing. Seems like this handheld is one software update from being extremely good, whether it will ever get one might be a different story!
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 03, 2019, 10:47:55 pm
Oh and I had a look for replacement screens a while ago, not worth replacing it really so I'll put up with the dead pixels as you don't really notice them unless you're playing original b&w GB games with plain white backgrounds.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Fishcakes on January 04, 2019, 05:34:44 am
Is there any documentation on stewards custom firmware? Id like to hear of any improvements/ functionality that it adds
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 05, 2019, 04:10:10 pm
Only the thread on Baidu which is in Chinese (I presume, can't read it either way!).

Btw I think I've realised what causes the save bug - seems to be when you try and navigate through the menu too quickly (ie double tapping A in quick succession to get to the load/save state menu), just doing this at normal speed seems to eliminate any issues. So far so good, will update if this isn't the cause.

Unfortunately the rom order still seems messed up - I moved all my roms over to a different SD card in one go and they are still not alphabetical. Weird.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on January 15, 2019, 08:28:59 am
So I saw a youtube video where somebody said the video sync looks weird. Not the old vsync problems but something new.
Anyone notice it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJs3aHM6ZZU

Look at 9:55 in the video and further, he talks about it, screen tearing.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on January 17, 2019, 08:39:38 am
So, no love for the new bittboy here?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 17, 2019, 08:41:33 pm
The screen tearing is in TV out mode, it's been mentioned in other videos IIRC. Emulation isn't perfect if you're used to a GPD etc but games run fine.

Until there is CFW it doesn't really warrant much activity on a forum tbh, it's a simple little handheld which does what it claims to, doesn't have a total mess of a UI and has a nice sharp screen with vibrant colours. For a while I've wanted something this size to emulate GB and GBC so that's why I bought it, unfortunately no SMS at the moment.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: retrodoodoo on January 18, 2019, 02:52:29 am
So I saw a youtube video where somebody said the video sync looks weird. Not the old vsync problems but something new.
Anyone notice it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJs3aHM6ZZU

Look at 9:55 in the video and further, he talks about it, screen tearing.

The original aspect ratio display mode will be added in the new batch. This issue will be solved. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: ADY on January 18, 2019, 07:42:24 am
The original aspect ratio display mode will be added in the new batch. This issue will be solved. Stay tuned.
For those of us with or awaiting the ones we already purchased, will we be able to update the base firmware and solve the issue?

Also any idea if in-game saves will be supported alongside save states in future versions?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Superpuissant on January 18, 2019, 10:47:38 am
The original aspect ratio display mode will be added in the new batch. This issue will be solved. Stay tuned.
For those of us with or awaiting the ones we already purchased, will we be able to update the base firmware and solve the issue?

Also any idea if in-game saves will be supported alongside save states in future versions?

Good question, could you please clarify this point as I couldn't find any information about possible firmware update?
The wrong aspect ratio is really preventing to enjoy my new bittboy and I really regret having bought one so early.
If there is no update planned, it will really be a deal breaker.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: VanZan on January 18, 2019, 12:15:36 pm
So I saw a youtube video where somebody said the video sync looks weird. Not the old vsync problems but something new.
Anyone notice it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJs3aHM6ZZU

Look at 9:55 in the video and further, he talks about it, screen tearing.

The original aspect ratio display mode will be added in the new batch. This issue will be solved. Stay tuned.

Looks like those of us who purchased early in good faith are screwed.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Superpuissant on January 18, 2019, 03:50:19 pm
So I saw a youtube video where somebody said the video sync looks weird. Not the old vsync problems but something new.
Anyone notice it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJs3aHM6ZZU

Look at 9:55 in the video and further, he talks about it, screen tearing.

The original aspect ratio display mode will be added in the new batch. This issue will be solved. Stay tuned.

Looks like those of us who purchased early in good faith are screwed.

That would really be a shame
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on January 19, 2019, 03:16:15 am
So I saw a youtube video where somebody said the video sync looks weird. Not the old vsync problems but something new.
Anyone notice it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJs3aHM6ZZU

Look at 9:55 in the video and further, he talks about it, screen tearing.

The original aspect ratio display mode will be added in the new batch. This issue will be solved. Stay tuned.

Where did you read that?

And how does the emulation compare with the RS-90 ? That can also do NES and gameboy (with a trick).
Does this emulate them better?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 19, 2019, 11:52:55 am
NES and GB/GBC emulation is much better on the Bittboy. On the RS-90 NES is squashed in to a GBA resolution screen, it drops frames and the buttons are reversed (A is B, B is A). Gameboy is done through an extra layer of emulation and runs quite poorly.

Both run fine on the Bittboy.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on January 19, 2019, 12:08:42 pm
NES and GB/GBC emulation is much better on the Bittboy. On the RS-90 NES is squashed in to a GBA resolution screen, it drops frames and the buttons are reversed (A is B, B is A). Gameboy is done through an extra layer of emulation and runs quite poorly.

Both run fine on the Bittboy.

Nice, so basically this is the ?gameboy mini? that Nintendo has not released yet and that plays NES as a bonus.

I will buy one!
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 19, 2019, 12:32:59 pm
Yeah it does a decent job of GB and GBC which is what I bought it for, if you look at the photos I posted it doesn't look perfect but the games run fine and compatibility is good. A lot of SMS/GB/GBC games have issues on the RS-90 due to two layers of emulation, on the Bittboy the only games I had problems with were Race Drivin' (same as RS-97 etc) and Kid Kool. There's a bit of background flicker at the start of the last castle In Castlevania II Belmont's Revenge too but apart from that it runs great.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 20, 2019, 01:49:47 am
Having compared this to OG GBP hardware it does seem to be less smooth, tried Bemlont's Revenge and it definitely seems to be dropping the odd frame but in a weird way, definitely feels like obvious emulation. Even on slow scrolling games it is evident, on SMB 2 the screen tearing is pretty bad but this is worst case scenario. Hopefully this gets fixed, on most games it's not a problem.

Maybe because SMB 2 definitely doesn't run at 60fps on the original hardware (it has pretty bad slowdown and regular stutters throughout) so frame drops seem worse, Belmont's Revenge is silky smooth on OG hardware though and it feels like it's using frameskip on the Bittboy.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on January 20, 2019, 06:06:51 am
Having compared this to OG GBP hardware it does seem to be less smooth, tried Bemlont's Revenge and it definitely seems to be dropping the odd frame but in a weird way, definitely feels like obvious emulation. Even on slow scrolling games it is evident, on SMB 2 the screen tearing is pretty bad but this is worst case scenario. Hopefully this gets fixed, on most games it's not a problem.

Maybe because SMB 2 definitely doesn't run at 60fps on the original hardware (it has pretty bad slowdown and regular stutters throughout) so frame drops seem worse, Belmont's Revenge is silky smooth on OG hardware though and it feels like it's using frameskip on the Bittboy.
So the bittboy can?t emulate a 1989 system 100% in 2019?

30 year later! Wow!  :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 20, 2019, 09:13:15 am
Neither can the RS-97, both GB emulators for that crap out on some games like Race Drivin' that I mentioned. Hopefully it can be sorted via a software update and they didn't use a sub 60hz screen or something stupid like that.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: ADY on January 21, 2019, 02:34:41 pm
New video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJY4wmP79Xs) from the Bittboy people showing off a new native resolution mode for Gameboy and Gameboy Color.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lyleflyle on January 22, 2019, 08:41:23 pm
New video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJY4wmP79Xs) from the Bittboy people showing off a new native resolution mode for Gameboy and Gameboy Color.

I assume this is a new firmware rather than a new hardware version leaving previous buyers having the inferior one?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 23, 2019, 12:25:14 am
I assume this is a new firmware rather than a new hardware version leaving previous buyers having the inferior one?

Looks like it's specific to a slightly different hardware revision, apparently according to some posters on their Facebook page the original model released a month ago can't be updated without bridging two pins on the motherboard. Quite a few people not too happy about it, as usual with Chinese manufacturers they're ignoring this like there's nothing wrong.

I emailed them asking if there was a new firmware and got this as a reply:

"HI, we have updated this problem on our NEW inventory for NEW BITTBOY.
We added the original aspect ratio display mode for GB/GBC games.

Buy it now: https://www.bittboy.com/collections/bittboy2"


Nice.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on January 23, 2019, 05:36:35 am
I assume this is a new firmware rather than a new hardware version leaving previous buyers having the inferior one?

Looks like it's specific to a slightly different hardware revision, apparently according to some posters on their Facebook page the original model released a month ago can't be updated without bridging two pins on the motherboard. Quite a few people not too happy about it, as usual with Chinese manufacturers they're ignoring this like there's nothing wrong.

I emailed them asking if there was a new firmware and got this as a reply:

"HI, we have updated this problem on our NEW inventory for NEW BITTBOY.
We added the original aspect ratio display mode for GB/GBC games.

Buy it now: https://www.bittboy.com/collections/bittboy2"


Nice.
So you don?t know what you are getting, old or new inventory.

Anyway, I don?t like the tiny new aspect ratio, it is way too small!
I am happy with the old ? 10:9 ? screen ratio, looks perfectly fine to me.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 23, 2019, 05:04:01 pm
I assume if you order it from them it will be one of the new batches which can be updated over USB and will have the new firmware installed. Hopefully they release the new firmware and there are modding instructions for the original one, I guess it will be covered on Jutley's site or something. Currently all information is on Baidu I think which presents a language barrier.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 23, 2019, 05:10:39 pm
Also the problem of roms getting mixed up alphabetically when you add new ones can be fixed by using this utility:
http://www.trustfm.net/software/utilities/SDSorter.php?fbclid=IwAR2U5GjSDPTKCsyX_D1JGnP8JdQQIVjgndZh0o5NjCqqpLH7iRoHGfM8qIo

Fix courtesy of a few users on the Bittboy Facebook page.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: VanZan on January 23, 2019, 08:21:18 pm
Even if I considered purchasing again what's to stop them making another improvement the following week? I have zero trust in them now. Unless they do something truly revolutionary they won't see another penny of my money.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 23, 2019, 09:11:59 pm
Yeah it usually doesn't bother me if there's an updated system 6 months to a year after a device is released (par course with Chinese tech) but this thing has been out around a month, they announced it as the "new" Bittboy and a few weeks later it's outdated with no update path.

As it stands the handheld is pretty nice but it's unlikely I'll buy anything else from them again and if their Facebook page is anything to go by there's quite a few who feel the same. They're already getting opinions on a new handheld which looks like an RS-97 with a fancy paint job. Clueless.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lazanti on January 26, 2019, 11:07:51 am
I was stupid enough to pre-order two new BittBoys before x-mas 2018, which turns out to be the pre-final version. It took them two months to get here and the package was also damaged. They've only used a very thin box without the bubble wrap, but luckily I got a refund for one of the damaged BittBoy. Now they've released a new version and I'm so pissed!!! Posted this on their Facebook page and 24 hours later I was banned from the group. So far I can't trust this company anymore and to be honest I don't really care about their current and upcoming products. I'm done. I'll spent my money on the upcoming Retro-V3S console that can emulate PS1 :)   
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: nick p on January 28, 2019, 11:17:54 am
So can we already buy the new bittboy with the firmware update or is it better to wait?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on January 28, 2019, 12:26:29 pm
So can we already buy the new bittboy with the firmware update or is it better to wait?

On youtube they said they ship the new one now!

look at their reply to drb his comment

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJY4wmP79Xs
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: nick p on January 28, 2019, 02:12:08 pm
So can we already buy the new bittboy with the firmware update or is it better to wait?

On youtube they said they ship the new one now!

look at their reply to drb his comment

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJY4wmP79Xs

wow! Awesome customer service, LOL. I was going to buy a bittboy on aliexpress and when I read that they had taken an update, i cancel the order. Now I do not know if I buy it there because maybe it's an old bittboy without an update and I do not know if I trust its website.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: ADY on January 29, 2019, 01:31:05 pm
I heard from here (https://youtu.be/AvsCu7OiSk8?t=299) the save state menu frequently locks up freezing until reset. Is there any truth to that and how often?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 29, 2019, 04:55:43 pm
I heard from here (https://youtu.be/AvsCu7OiSk8?t=299) the save state menu frequently locks up freezing until reset. Is there any truth to that and how often?

That happened to me when I first got it, found out it was triggered by navigating the menu too quickly - ie if you want to quickly save then you would quickly tap A several times automatically. Just going through the menu at normal speed prevents it freezing, hasn't happened to me since discovering thar.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lazanti on January 31, 2019, 05:21:10 pm
NxHope BETA out :)

(https://i.imgur.com/ozkHba2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FwAhPYl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3yjZiBm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CBUNrXG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/r0mt1Yp.jpg)
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on January 31, 2019, 06:57:26 pm
I went to order one today, and Bittboy is on vacation until the 12th of Feb. Just my luck. Does anyone know where I can get one of the latest revision ordered? US would be great, but I'll live with wherever as long as it is the latest build.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: VanZan on January 31, 2019, 08:06:06 pm
That NxHope beta is a hardware mod yeah?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on January 31, 2019, 11:05:29 pm
Is there a soldering/flashing guide for this?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 01, 2019, 02:21:00 am
I assume this?

https://jutleys.wixsite.com/bittboynew4u/home/cfw-for-old-bittboy-mod-devices-only
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 06, 2019, 01:08:30 am
@lemmywinks Did you ever get around to trying this out?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on February 06, 2019, 07:52:51 am
No not done anything yet, will wait until it's ready for primetime as I use the Bittboy regularly.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 06, 2019, 01:14:18 pm
Makes sense. I went ahead and ordered one. Won't ship for another 8 days, then I get to wait on shipping from China... so 2-4 weeks I guess. I hope there will be something more substantial available by the time I get it in hand.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: ADY on February 06, 2019, 07:27:13 pm
Just a heads up, on my 1st gen unit holding Right + B + TB is the same as pressing R(menu) and holding Right + A + TA turns down the volume and acts as if you are pressing select. Not an issue so long as you don't use a regular button and it's turbo counterpart in conjunction but still annoying. Has anyone else had this happen?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: fakk3 on February 11, 2019, 12:11:08 pm
I received my console a few days ago. Generally, it makes a good impression. The buttons work well. Very good quality display. Game emulation is very good as long as the game works. My console has improved screen proportions for gameboy games.. I tested some games and the following titles did not work/was glitched for me:

Battletoads NES (USA/EU) not working... (Japanese version works  :D )
Battletoads Double Dragon not working
Castlevania 3 (US/EU/JP) has broken sound
Big Nose Freaks Out NES is glitched
Unlicensed Bio hazard NES is not detected by the console
Prehistoryk GB (US/EU/JP) not working
Trip World GB has glitched intro but playable
Shantae GB is glitched too but playable

The improved aspect ratio mode is useless because the image is very small.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 14, 2019, 09:29:21 pm
Well... Got mine in the mail today. 2 days instead of 2 weeks. Pretty happy about that. Now I hope for easier installing of the CFW. :-D Cool little device so far though.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: ADY on February 14, 2019, 10:37:17 pm
Just got the new model. A few differences I've noticed besides the new aspect ratio.

1. Nice clicky start and select buttons that activate with a light touch, I no longer have to use my nail to press them down far enough.
2. The on/off is smoother.
3. Glitch where pressing right D-pad, turbo B and normal B together activate the menu is gone.
4. D-pad is creaky as hell. I can't remember if the original was like that but I hope it gets worn down soon.

Finally

The new model and the old model use different file types for NES saves. The original used .sav while the new uses .sav0, I can't seem to make them cross compatible. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 14, 2019, 10:40:00 pm
Doesn't the new one only have the ability to use save states? If so, I wouldn't imagine you could transfer saves? I'm not sure.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: ADY on February 14, 2019, 10:59:10 pm
Doesn't the new one only have the ability to use save states? If so, I wouldn't imagine you could transfer saves? I'm not sure.

Both models only have the ability to use save states, the GB and GBC saves transfer fine.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 14, 2019, 11:07:19 pm
And I assume manually changing the format in the name does no good? If not no clue. Just got mine today, so no old saves to transfer.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: ADY on February 14, 2019, 11:39:09 pm
And I assume manually changing the format in the name does no good? If not no clue. Just got mine today, so no old saves to transfer.

Nope, it recognizes a file is there in the R menu but won't load it. There is also a significant size difference, .sav files are 200kb while a .sav0 file is only 15kb.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on February 15, 2019, 07:01:12 am
And now the new new new bittboy is here!

(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/35814386c6e3ab6dfe554d4d3b84ee7329f9f66b6904f56f46b811f47c0a9dd87e65bcb6.jpg)
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 15, 2019, 11:21:00 am
I definitely want to play with the CFW, but I don't want to have to open the unit every time I want to boot linux. I am waiting for now.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lazanti on February 15, 2019, 05:44:19 pm
The real story:

(https://i.imgur.com/Zdeu5dy.png)

I've also heard that the 3rd batch will include L and R buttons on the back.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 16, 2019, 12:03:19 am
Not sure what you're getting at by "Real story". Jutley has had a tutorial on a usable build for awhile. It's just a little more work than I'm comfortable doing, and even if I were, it has to be opened every time, so that seems a bit much for now.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Prokel on February 16, 2019, 10:53:55 am
How does the GBA emulation run on CFW? Does it run smooth or not?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lazanti on February 16, 2019, 11:21:44 am
Not sure what you're getting at by "Real story". Jutley has had a tutorial on a usable build for awhile. It's just a little more work than I'm comfortable doing, and even if I were, it has to be opened every time, so that seems a bit much for now.
I was referering to davidgilmou's picture! Well, you haven't see the newest instructions with the paperclip etc. Anyway PSX emulation:

(https://i.imgur.com/AD0AvPv.jpg)
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: baka-neko on February 16, 2019, 04:38:43 pm
Will it be possible to install the CFW on the 2nd revision (with the 1:1 GB scaling) without opening it?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: gameblabla on February 18, 2019, 08:20:01 pm
Will it be possible to install the CFW on the 2nd revision (with the 1:1 GB scaling) without opening it?
Yes, steward-fu just got his 2nd revision unit and he told me that those units won't even require flashing to the SPI chip.
All you need to do is to flash a firmware image to the sd card.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 19, 2019, 04:17:32 am
Will it be possible to install the CFW on the 2nd revision (with the 1:1 GB scaling) without opening it?
Yes, steward-fu just got his 2nd revision unit and he told me that those units won't even require flashing to the SPI chip.
All you need to do is to flash a firmware image to the sd card.

I assume you still have to open the unit and ground the wire for this?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: baka-neko on February 19, 2019, 02:54:25 pm
Yes, steward-fu just got his 2nd revision unit and he told me that those units won't even require flashing to the SPI chip.
All you need to do is to flash a firmware image to the sd card.

Awesome. Thanks!
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on February 20, 2019, 12:45:01 am
Just digging through the new posts on Jutley's website. I guess I need to get on Discord to get the Beta for my V2? exciting stuff!

Edit: That seems to be the case. Playing with it now. :-P

Edit 2: Well I have the CFW booted, but I can't figure out how to mount this to add roms. LoL

Edit 3: Just wasn't playing well with my Win 7 PC at work. Got it loaded up from home. Can't wait to see what comes of this. Already very nice.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Jutleys on February 21, 2019, 08:08:50 pm

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Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: chevette on March 07, 2019, 04:55:15 pm
I am enjoying the BittBoy Ver2. Installed CFW_V2_Beta_20190306 yesterday and that really make this little handheld so much better. The only problem I'm having is getting the GNGEO (NeoGeo) emulator to work. It opens but when I point to the ROMS folder, it does not find any ROMS. I have the NEOGEO.zip (BIOS) in the ROMS folder. Anyone have any luck with this????
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: adventureFAN on March 08, 2019, 02:23:01 pm
Whats about the Turbo-buttons? Is it possible to map L+R to the Turbo-buttons for GBA-emulation? Or a C-Button for Mega Drive?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: chevette on March 08, 2019, 05:31:50 pm
Yes, buttons can remapped through setting in the emulators. The only one I couldn't remap was the SNES emulator. Also no L-R buttons. The NEOGEO emulator doesn't work (I can't get it to work) but everything else looks good. GBA shoulder buttons can be remapped too. Pretty cool device!!
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Chex on March 09, 2019, 04:35:20 pm
Is it worth upgrading from Retromini to Bittboy?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on March 10, 2019, 04:20:00 pm
Anybody else had a problem with a dodgy charging port? Just had to resolder mine as it came right off the board, was barely any solder on the contacts and not much on the posts either, not had any rough treatment as I've always been careful with it, just plugged in a cable as normal and it sheered off completely.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: VanZan on March 10, 2019, 06:18:41 pm
Had the same problem with the previous Bittboy (the one without sd card support). Hardly used it and went to charge it one day and the whole thing came away.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Great Crippler on March 10, 2019, 07:56:40 pm
@chevette  The Neo Geo emulator works.


@everyone else.

In general, it's a really cheaply made unit. For the price, it's nice to have something this small with a CFW... That said, build quality on this thing is really bad. I keep hoping for a CFW release on the RS-90.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on March 10, 2019, 09:59:09 pm
Even on cheap devices there is usually a post either side of the USB port which goes through the board, on this it is just attached to the surface with a tiny bit of solder. Can't believe it lasted this long as it looks so flimsy, when it goes again I'll put some hot glue behind it, this might be a good preventative measure tbh.

I used one of those cheap $3 USB powered irons because I couldn't be bothered setting my main iron and power supply up for a 2 minute job, they're surprisingly good!
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: VanZan on March 11, 2019, 12:38:21 am
I used one of those cheap $3 USB powered irons because I couldn't be bothered setting my main iron and power supply up for a 2 minute job, they're surprisingly good!

I'm being lazy but link please? :)
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: davidgilmour on March 11, 2019, 09:59:36 am
Is it worth upgrading from Retromini to Bittboy?

Yes, I would like to see a 1:1 comparison betweeen the RS-97 and the new Bittboy too.
Do the games run almost the same as on the much faster RS -97 ?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on March 11, 2019, 06:11:04 pm
I'm being lazy but link please? :)

Seem to be more like $5 now but still a good deal, got mine on sale from Banggood IIRC but their prices are higher at the moment. Spare tips on eBay are a couple of $.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Portable-USB-5V-8W-Electric-Powered-Soldering-Iron-Pen-Tip-Touch-Switch-UP/252699637872?epid=2080277719&hash=item3ad6127870:g:fPEAAOSwjDZYY3Co

I thought this would be barely usable but it actually works very well, heats up and cools down really quickly too. I have a TS100 which is great but something that just plugs into a USB port and has no controls is more convenient.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: VanZan on March 11, 2019, 09:01:11 pm
I'm being lazy but link please? :)

Seem to be more like $5 now but still a good deal, got mine on sale from Banggood IIRC but their prices are higher at the moment. Spare tips on eBay are a couple of $.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Portable-USB-5V-8W-Electric-Powered-Soldering-Iron-Pen-Tip-Touch-Switch-UP/252699637872?epid=2080277719&hash=item3ad6127870:g:fPEAAOSwjDZYY3Co

I thought this would be barely usable but it actually works very well, heats up and cools down really quickly too. I have a TS100 which is great but something that just plugs into a USB port and has no controls is more convenient.

Thank you.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: jackal27 on March 16, 2019, 09:18:44 pm
I just ordered one these. Couldn't pass it up for $34. If I don't love it I can always just gift it my little brother or a friend who isn't as picky.

How is the Dpad? I heard some negative things about Rev 1, but haven't anything about Rev 2's inputs. If the Dpad is poor, has anyone tried a mod yet? I've Googled around, but haven't found anything.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: ADY on March 17, 2019, 01:00:17 am
How is the Dpad? I heard some negative things about Rev 1, but haven't anything about Rev 2's inputs.
I have rev 1 and 2. Rev 1 for me is far and away the better d-pad, it works perfectly, rev 2 s the same but it creaks loudly. I tried switching them but Rev 2 still creaked, it's infuriating like someone is breaking peanut shells with every diagonal. I wish I new how to fix it.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Tokyudo on March 17, 2019, 01:25:17 am
I just ordered one these. Couldn't pass it up for $34. If I don't love it I can always just gift it my little brother or a friend who isn't as picky.

How is the Dpad? I heard some negative things about Rev 1, but haven't anything about Rev 2's inputs. If the Dpad is poor, has anyone tried a mod yet? I've Googled around, but haven't found anything.

D-Pad is both clicky and squishy, pretty cheap build all around but what do you expect for $40. My up direction is a little squshy but the other directions click nicely. The diagonals can be sketchy while playing certain games, feels like it wants to stick a little.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Jutleys on March 19, 2019, 01:42:30 pm
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Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: wen_nug on March 22, 2019, 11:19:15 am
Any information update about in game saves from the current CFW?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on March 23, 2019, 04:09:59 pm
Can a mod sort out that reseller spam shitposting please? On every thread now and extremely annoying, limit the guy to one shitpost a week or something.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: kryswade on March 24, 2019, 10:06:52 am
Can a mod sort out that reseller spam shitposting please? On every thread now and extremely annoying, limit the guy to one shitpost a week or something.

are you arguing about jutleys??
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on March 24, 2019, 02:42:40 pm
Nobody is arguing, just pointing out that spamming forums with his reseller shitposting is annoying. Maybe a non-stickied thread dedicated to reseller posts so they don't clog up other people's threads would be a good idea?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: adventureFAN on March 24, 2019, 04:59:47 pm
From the Board Rules:
Quote
No personal advertising without prior permission. Contact omgmog if you're interested in advertising.

I hope he has contacted omgmog ;)
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Faust on March 25, 2019, 04:24:07 pm
Nobody is arguing, just pointing out that spamming forums with his reseller shitposting is annoying. Maybe a non-stickied thread dedicated to reseller posts so they don't clog up other people's threads would be a good idea?
Reported

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Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: kryswade on April 01, 2019, 06:24:12 pm
hey guys how can I flash the stock firmware into an sd?
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: gibberish on April 03, 2019, 11:47:03 am
it's not just here it's all over gbatemp and the openpandora boards as well, it's irritating as hell.

Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: Jutleys on April 05, 2019, 01:47:57 am
For you maybe but if it saves people a few $ i am sure they appreciate the discount codes,
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: HercTNT on April 05, 2019, 03:51:54 am
I'm not a mod or smart enough to say if Jutley is posting by the rules or not. What I can say is given the amount he does for this community it does not bother me that he pushes some product. Considering he is a contributing member I certainly can't fault a guy for doing the legwork to attract some business.

Not picking sides or pointing fingers. Just my two cents on the matter.
Title: Re: New (much) improved Bittboy on Presale
Post by: lemmywinks on April 13, 2019, 11:02:18 pm
In all honestly I've been spending much less time here now threads get hijacked with reseller stuff. It puts me off buying anything from those stores and clogs the forum up