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Title: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: diygamemodz on December 20, 2018, 09:25:57 pm
Retro Game Plus Screen visibility test
Official machine coming soon.......


https://youtu.be/65V5u4h-QOk

https://youtu.be/jDodkq3B-PU
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Phawx on December 21, 2018, 08:19:02 pm
Might as well share my video in here as well :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPZiwt3v70
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Soul_Est on December 22, 2018, 10:06:10 pm
Might as well share my video in here as well :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPZiwt3v70
That is excellent. It's pretty close to what many of us were hoping for. I hope the the release version of the RS-97+ has a naked LCD like the previous versions if they must do so. The one on the RS-97+ in your video looked like it had a matte overlay on top.

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ace9094 on December 23, 2018, 12:03:40 am
Might as well share my video in here as well :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPZiwt3v70

Thanks for the video, I look forward to more info...

Just curious (sorry if I missed it in the video) - Any idea what full the specs are ? RAM, Chipset etc etc

Thanks
ace
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Soul_Est on December 23, 2018, 12:16:08 am
Might as well share my video in here as well :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPZiwt3v70

Thanks for the video, I look forward to more info...

Just curious (sorry if I missed it in the video) - Any idea what full the specs are ? RAM, Chipset etc etc

Thanks
ace
After reading between the lines of what he said, it seems that the RS-97+ is using an Ingenic JZ4760 or JZ4760B like before. I'm holding out hope for one with an Ingenic JZ4770 though.

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: renejr902 on December 27, 2018, 02:06:58 am
i hope for a 3.5'' screen size. but the youtube videos dont seem to show that :(
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on December 27, 2018, 07:35:33 pm
Very interesting. Looks like they addressed a number of key issues.

- Larger battery
- Internal SD card accessible under the battery
- External SD slot built into the case rather than being on a cartridge (bet that saved some money!)
- 320x240 screen
- Better viewing angles
- Analog stick (!)

While I think the screen change is the right thing to do, I'm a little disappointed. The higher vertical resolution made vertical scaling look pretty good without blending. Still, it's a decent exchange for an overall better panel.

The analog stick is a welcome addition. It would make a very good stand-in for a mouse or traditional joystick. (Cyberia, here we come! ;))

I have two key concerns:

1. I'm hoping it's truly an analog stick and not wired up as a digital stick. It's fine if it emulates a digital stick in the shipped firmware. As long as in hardware it's still analog.

2. The stick is highly usable. These sticks have often been mounted poorly, leading to sticking and other usability issues. The PowKiddy X16 as an example (which I'm pretty sure is manufactured by RenShun) has large holes under the sticks. This leads to the edge of the mushroom cap getting stuck inside the hole. The motion of the stick doesn't require this much space, so it was probably a manufacturing shortcut. Also, pressing too hard can cause centering and sticking issues. It doesn't take much force to cause this.

Altogether, I'm incredibly pleased to see RenShun engage the community like this and create a device that better suits our needs. If you guys read this: Way to go RenShun!  8)
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ace9094 on December 27, 2018, 07:51:43 pm
Altogether, I'm incredibly pleased to see RenShun engage the community like this and create a device that better suits our needs. 8)

You would think all of the companies that create these type of devices would do the same and embrace the community, they would sell more units over all, as they do not release software titles separate then hardware is surely where they make the money.

This is why I feel like the RS-90 Gameboy clone is so poor as it has been made difficult for the Devs to do anything with it. The stock firmware is normally mediocre on there devices, but they come alive when the Dev's get hold of them and the true potential is unveiled.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on December 28, 2018, 04:49:07 pm
You would think all of the companies that create these type of devices would do the same and embrace the community, they would sell more units over all, as they do not release software titles separate then hardware is surely where they make the money.

There are a couple reasons for this.


What's really cool is that we have a really good setup at the moment. If we could just marry the software-focus of the west with the hardware-focus of the east into a solid feedback loop, we could end up with some really amazing devices!
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ChrisRR on December 29, 2018, 10:42:12 am
I wish they would've switched out the mini usb for micro usb.  It's the only device which isn't mini usb or usb C nowadays so I need to keep the cable about
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on January 06, 2019, 12:25:39 am
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Powkiddy-Retro-Handheld-Game-Console-Player-16GB-3-inch-Portable-Mini-Video-Gaming-Player-3000-Games/32967827816.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.62d94c4dpzNSrY

I already ordered.I hope that will send really rs-97 plus.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: taciturasa on January 06, 2019, 02:48:31 pm
Just for clarification - is the 360 nub on the plus hardwired to emulate the dpad or will we be able to use it separately with CFW?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: 02k0 on January 06, 2019, 11:16:39 pm
Here, for sale:

https://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.html?id=573190484111&ali_refid=a3_430125_1006:1152662194:N:%E6%80%80%E6%97%A7%E6%B8%B8%E6%88%8F%E6%9C%BA%E6%8E%8C%E6%9C%BA:9aaf8bfe4450a03e2cda2e5bda2dfffd&ali_trackid=1_9aaf8bfe4450a03e2cda2e5bda2dfffd&spm=0.0.0.0

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ManiaxMax on January 07, 2019, 04:54:59 pm
Does anyone have a link to a site in English that I can order from? I am wanting to snag one quick
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on January 07, 2019, 05:03:01 pm
Does anyone have a link to a site in English that I can order from? I am wanting to snag one quick
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Powkiddy-Retro-Handheld-Game-Console-Player-16GB-3-inch-Portable-Mini-Video-Gaming-Player-3000-Games/32967827816.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.62d94c4dpzNSrY

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ManiaxMax on January 07, 2019, 08:59:32 pm
Does anyone have a link to a site in English that I can order from? I am wanting to snag one quick
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Powkiddy-Retro-Handheld-Game-Console-Player-16GB-3-inch-Portable-Mini-Video-Gaming-Player-3000-Games/32967827816.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.62d94c4dpzNSrY

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Thanks!
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Skelton-retired on January 11, 2019, 02:42:59 pm
They should have used a cheapo ARM rather than the same ingenic again.....
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on January 11, 2019, 03:21:01 pm
They should have used a cheapo ARM rather than the same ingenic again.....
Ingenic cheap, have high perfomance/energy consumption.

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Skelton-retired on January 11, 2019, 03:36:45 pm
They should have used a cheapo ARM rather than the same ingenic again.....
Ingenic cheap, have high perfomance/energy consumption.

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High performance.... no. Even the ultra old ARM in the openpandora was faster. Probably even the old allwinner a13 is faster and costs 1 dollar (what many chinese manufactureres include in their pandoras box 6s and wtc). Also, most emus would benefit from using ARM than having to rewrite MIPS dynarecs. I guess they use ingenic because opendingux is done, and is easy to adapt gcw zero or dingoo ports to the new ingenic, as a convenience, but even the 4770 of GCW Zero is quite limited and struggles with lot of emus. Vivante Gpus don?t help either.

I don't  know, maybe is just me, but if a Plus version is the same specs with a questionable analog... I don't think as a great upgrade.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on January 11, 2019, 04:29:13 pm
They should have used a cheapo ARM rather than the same ingenic again.....
Ingenic cheap, have high perfomance/energy consumption.

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High performance.... no. Even the ultra old ARM in the openpandora was faster. Probably even the old allwinner a13 is faster and costs 1 dollar (what many chinese manufactureres include in their pandoras box 6s and wtc). Also, most emus would benefit from using ARM than having to rewrite MIPS dynarecs. I guess they use ingenic because opendingux is done, and is easy to adapt gcw zero or dingoo ports to the new ingenic, as a convenience, but even the 4770 of GCW Zero is quite limited and struggles with lot of emus. Vivante Gpus don?t help either.

I don't  know, maybe is just me, but if a Plus version is the same specs with a questionable analog... I don't think as a great upgrade.
Ratio perfomance/energy consumption is very great. On 2000 mah accumulator about 7 hours game. Old Arm so can?

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Skelton-retired on January 11, 2019, 04:39:42 pm
They should have used a cheapo ARM rather than the same ingenic again.....
Ingenic cheap, have high perfomance/energy consumption.

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High performance.... no. Even the ultra old ARM in the openpandora was faster. Probably even the old allwinner a13 is faster and costs 1 dollar (what many chinese manufactureres include in their pandoras box 6s and wtc). Also, most emus would benefit from using ARM than having to rewrite MIPS dynarecs. I guess they use ingenic because opendingux is done, and is easy to adapt gcw zero or dingoo ports to the new ingenic, as a convenience, but even the 4770 of GCW Zero is quite limited and struggles with lot of emus. Vivante Gpus don?t help either.

I don't  know, maybe is just me, but if a Plus version is the same specs with a questionable analog... I don't think as a great upgrade.
Ratio perfomance/energy consumption is very great. On 2000 mah accumulator about 7 hours game. Old Arm so can?

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Yep, an a13 most probably can. And even if it's5 hours or so I think the difference in performance is better than battery time. But just my ioinion, I am not trying to convince the company making these devices, just making suggestions.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: arthfader on January 11, 2019, 05:23:37 pm
will we be able to run useless on this?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Jutleys on January 13, 2019, 11:35:57 am
I have useless working on this but waiting for custom kernel and fully ported emulators and games then i will release a firmware and may be even a pymenu firmware too for it.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: LauweLoempia on January 13, 2019, 05:29:17 pm
Great work @Bitboy ! I would love to compare the RS-97 PLUS to the original model, especially the screens ^__^

Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Eurynomos on January 15, 2019, 05:18:43 am
anyone tried CPS3 and PGM in FBA emulation for this?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: diygamemodz on January 19, 2019, 02:27:11 am
Great work @Bitboy ! I would love to compare the RS-97 PLUS to the original model, especially the screens ^__^

https://youtu.be/FkMZiQwiWnk

Retrogame plus、retrogame、retrogame、RS-97 The screen contrast
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: LauweLoempia on January 19, 2019, 07:49:31 pm
Thanks for the video! It looks on par with the original RS-97 only slightly bigger.... or is it me  ???
It does look like the 2.1 model has slightly darker screen...
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: vermillion on January 22, 2019, 06:13:33 pm
On Ebay ?39.89
 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1X-Powkiddy-Retro-Handheld-Game-Console-16GB-3inch-Portable-Mini-Video-Gami-L2P2/283333684744?epid=12027737750&hash=item41f800ee08:g:bnEAAOSwkv5cNpYf:rk:2:pf:1&frcectupt=true
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: hi-ban on January 22, 2019, 07:05:54 pm
On Ebay ?39.89
 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1X-Powkiddy-Retro-Handheld-Game-Console-16GB-3inch-Portable-Mini-Video-Gami-L2P2/283333684744?epid=12027737750&hash=item41f800ee08:g:bnEAAOSwkv5cNpYf:rk:2:pf:1&frcectupt=true

39.89 GBP = 51.75 USD = 45.41 EUR
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: lazanti on January 26, 2019, 11:12:09 am
Tony has made a CFW for this device. So far GBA and PS1 have been improved a lot :)
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: VanZan on January 26, 2019, 11:24:24 am
Interesting. I thought he was unhappy with the device's screen and was refusing to do anything with it until they changed them.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: 02k0 on January 26, 2019, 01:03:46 pm
Tony has made a CFW for this device. So far GBA and PS1 have been improved a lot :)
It seems that Jutley's OpenDingux already works perfectly, at least in version 1.3. I saw a store on Taobao selling this version already with the OpenDingux Firmware installed.

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: hi-ban on January 26, 2019, 01:45:30 pm
Tony has made a CFW for this device. So far GBA and PS1 have been improved a lot :)

Link?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: lazanti on January 26, 2019, 06:50:40 pm
Tony has made a CFW for this device. So far GBA and PS1 have been improved a lot :)

Link?
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6013832360?pn=1 (https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6013832360?pn=1)

It will be released around 02.01 :)
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on January 27, 2019, 01:58:28 am
So mine just arrived from China today. Initial impressions are good. The console feels heavier, more substantial, and cleaner than the previous version. There?s a reset button instead of a hole, the SD Card slot looks much nicer, and the analog nub appears to be installed well. The only problem I have with it might be a surprise: the screen!

The screen is nice and bright. So it has that going for it. I?m not a huge fan of the lowered vertical resolution. At least in the default firmware, many games looks ugly due to scaling issues. This would probably be solved in the custom firmware.

The biggest problem is that there?s some sort of update / tearing issue. Parts of the screen are updating independent of other parts of the screen. These updates don?t appear to be aligned with the edges of the screen and thus create trianglular tearing. This gives the impression that everything is very low frame rate and makes full screen updates like the Sega logo and the NeoGeo logo look really weird. The NeoGeo logo looks like triangles of the screen are bright and then dark whereas the Sega logo appears to be falling to pieces and stuttering.

Hoping this is just a software issue. Anyone know if there?s firmware for this yet?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: vermillion on January 27, 2019, 09:32:06 am
So mine just arrived from China today. Initial impressions are good. The console feels heavier, more substantial, and cleaner than the previous version. There?s a reset button instead of a hole, the SD Card slot looks much nicer, and the analog nub appears to be installed well. The only problem I have with it might be a surprise: the screen!

The screen is nice and bright. So it has that going for it. I?m not a huge fan of the lowered vertical resolution. At least in the default firmware, many games looks ugly due to scaling issues. This would probably be solved in the custom firmware.

The biggest problem is that there?s some sort of update / tearing issue. Parts of the screen are updating independent of other parts of the screen. These updates don?t appear to be aligned with the edges of the screen and thus create trianglular tearing. This gives the impression that everything is very low frame rate and makes full screen updates like the Sega logo and the NeoGeo logo look really weird. The NeoGeo logo looks like triangles of the screen are bright and then dark whereas the Sega logo appears to be falling to pieces and stuttering.

Hoping this is just a software issue. Anyone know if there?s firmware for this yet?
Just out of interest, which hardware revision did you get?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on January 27, 2019, 10:03:48 am
So mine just arrived from China today. Initial impressions are good. The console feels heavier, more substantial, and cleaner than the previous version. There?s a reset button instead of a hole, the SD Card slot looks much nicer, and the analog nub appears to be installed well. The only problem I have with it might be a surprise: the screen!

The screen is nice and bright. So it has that going for it. I?m not a huge fan of the lowered vertical resolution. At least in the default firmware, many games looks ugly due to scaling issues. This would probably be solved in the custom firmware.

The biggest problem is that there?s some sort of update / tearing issue. Parts of the screen are updating independent of other parts of the screen. These updates don?t appear to be aligned with the edges of the screen and thus create trianglular tearing. This gives the impression that everything is very low frame rate and makes full screen updates like the Sega logo and the NeoGeo logo look really weird. The NeoGeo logo looks like triangles of the screen are bright and then dark whereas the Sega logo appears to be falling to pieces and stuttering.

Hoping this is just a software issue. Anyone know if there?s firmware for this yet?
Not yet. Maybe 02.01.

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: npaladin2000 on January 27, 2019, 03:22:37 pm
So mine just arrived from China today. Initial impressions are good. The console feels heavier, more substantial, and cleaner than the previous version. There?s a reset button instead of a hole, the SD Card slot looks much nicer, and the analog nub appears to be installed well. The only problem I have with it might be a surprise: the screen!

The screen is nice and bright. So it has that going for it. I?m not a huge fan of the lowered vertical resolution. At least in the default firmware, many games looks ugly due to scaling issues. This would probably be solved in the custom firmware.

The biggest problem is that there?s some sort of update / tearing issue. Parts of the screen are updating independent of other parts of the screen. These updates don?t appear to be aligned with the edges of the screen and thus create trianglular tearing. This gives the impression that everything is very low frame rate and makes full screen updates like the Sega logo and the NeoGeo logo look really weird. The NeoGeo logo looks like triangles of the screen are bright and then dark whereas the Sega logo appears to be falling to pieces and stuttering.

Hoping this is just a software issue. Anyone know if there?s firmware for this yet?

Ordered one myself, can't wait. I heard the firmware should be here around 2/1. Question: on some of the prototypes the screen was bare. Is yours bare or is there a cover? I have enough unused TPU screen protectors where I could probably rig something but I'm wondering if I'll need to bother.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on January 27, 2019, 03:56:21 pm
Here?s a video of the screen issue in slow motion:

https://youtu.be/QUfjHkVFAd0

Weirdest thing I?ve ever seen. My gut is telling me it?s a multithreading issue, possibly down to a bug in the implementation of the second core.

I haven?t taken a screwdriver and disassembled the battery to find the version number yet. The software says V3.1224. I?ll share the number on the board once I get it opened.

The screen bevel design is similar to the original translucent model. The big difference is that they?ve added a bit of length on the right to significantly reduce light leakage. No more colored lights peeking through. Just a soft glow from the screen backlight.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on January 27, 2019, 04:33:38 pm
Found the screwdriver. The new battery door takes a bit of work to get off as there is no longer any threading on the door itself. So the old trick of leaving the screw partly in and pulling with the screw no longer works. The seam is too tight to wedge something in without damaging the plastic, so I used the weigh of the battery instead. Just turn over and bang the edge a few times until the battery pushes the door open.

Inside is kind of boring. It says ?RG_PLUS_V1.0? and a bunch of component voltages. I?m linking to some some photos so everyone can see.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByZlsh73W0_SLTk0ZXp5TXRleWc
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: 02k0 on January 27, 2019, 05:24:09 pm
Found the screwdriver. The new battery door takes a bit of work to get off as there is no longer any threading on the door itself. So the old trick of leaving the screw partly in and pulling with the screw no longer works. The seam is too tight to wedge something in without damaging the plastic, so I used the weigh of the battery instead. Just turn over and bang the edge a few times until the battery pushes the door open.

Inside is kind of boring. It says ?RG_PLUS_V1.0? and a bunch of component voltages. I?m linking to some some photos so everyone can see.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByZlsh73W0_SLTk0ZXp5TXRleWc
Make a v?deo showing, please.

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on January 27, 2019, 05:29:51 pm
Here?s a video of the screen issue in slow motion:

https://youtu.be/QUfjHkVFAd0

Weirdest thing I?ve ever seen. My gut is telling me it?s a multithreading issue, possibly down to a bug in the implementation of the second core.

I haven?t taken a screwdriver and disassembled the battery to find the version number yet. The software says V3.1224. I?ll share the number on the board once I get it opened.

The screen bevel design is similar to the original translucent model. The big difference is that they?ve added a bit of length on the right to significantly reduce light leakage. No more colored lights peeking through. Just a soft glow from the screen backlight.
Its a Picodrive? Such emulator can do it?

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Timika on January 27, 2019, 10:45:04 pm
What is the SoC used in this RS97 plus? The same as th? rs97 "normal"?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on January 27, 2019, 11:22:53 pm
Its a Picodrive? Such emulator can do it?
It?s not the emulator. The issue occurs no matter which system I?m emulating. Note that this is the stock firmware, so it?s difficult to say what emulators are actually being used. Probably some really old forms of popular OSS from the Dingoo day?s.

What is the SoC used in this RS97 plus? The same as th? rs97 "normal"?

I haven?t taken it apart to check, but it?s supposed to be the 4760B that?s been used in all the later models of the RS-97 and RS-07. In other words, there?s no more or less horsepower here.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Stoofa on January 29, 2019, 12:37:59 pm
The biggest problem is that there?s some sort of update / tearing issue. Parts of the screen are updating independent of other parts of the screen. These updates don?t appear to be aligned with the edges of the screen and thus create trianglular tearing. This gives the impression that everything is very low frame rate and makes full screen updates like the Sega logo and the NeoGeo logo look really weird. The NeoGeo logo looks like triangles of the screen are bright and then dark whereas the Sega logo appears to be falling to pieces and stuttering.

Mine is exactly the same as this. I have faith that the custom firmware will address this or mitigate it at the very least.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on January 29, 2019, 01:24:34 pm
Mine is exactly the same as this. I have faith that the custom firmware will address this or mitigate it at the very least.
I?m glad to know it?s not just my unit. Part of me was worried my screen was defective. Unlikely given the behavior, but possible.

I do think the custom firmware will help. What?s not clear is if there is a hardware component to this problem. I found it very interesting to play with the home screen background. When the background is rendered without modification it looks just fine. But the moment it?s darkened by bringing up a menu, there is clear brightness banding from left to right with the bands slanted to the left.

This banding is not as obvious with the plasma tendril they picked as default background. (Perhaps why they picked it.) It gets very obvious with some of the other backgrounds. That suggests that this screen may have very poor color rendering. Or maybe it?s a sign that the real problem is that their image composition and blending library is all jacked up.

We?ll have to see when someone gets in there and figures the screen out.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Stoofa on January 29, 2019, 02:02:23 pm
Mine is exactly the same as this. I have faith that the custom firmware will address this or mitigate it at the very least.
I?m glad to know it?s not just my unit. Part of me was worried my screen was defective. Unlikely given the behavior, but possible.

I do think the custom firmware will help. What?s not clear is if there is a hardware component to this problem. I found it very interesting to play with the home screen background. When the background is rendered without modification it looks just fine. But the moment it?s darkened by bringing up a menu, there is clear brightness banding from left to right with the bands slanted to the left.

This banding is not as obvious with the plasma tendril they picked as default background. (Perhaps why they picked it.) It gets very obvious with some of the other backgrounds. That suggests that this screen may have very poor color rendering. Or maybe it?s a sign that the real problem is that their image composition and blending library is all jacked up.

We?ll have to see when someone gets in there and figures the screen out.

It's in the hands of great individuals so I live in hope
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: rsplus on February 03, 2019, 11:06:15 pm
Hi, this is my first post on the forum (relatively long time reader though).

I got an RS97 Plus recently and installed Useless97 FW on top of the stock kernel. Of course, almost nothing worked out of the box, so I've modified and rebuilt GmenuNX, couple of games and couple of emulators: Pocket/dumbSNES, ohboy and fceux.

GmenuNX works perfectly and emulators work relatively fine, but the problem is that I have some kind of ghosting/flickering on all of the emulators. I've tried switching between different screen modes/upscalers (had to modify the scaling code for the emulators a bit) and tried changing SDL VideoMode, but it didn't seem to make a difference (some components were not happy about SDL_HWSURFACE, but otherwise it didn't make any difference).

This flickering is almost invisible on ohboy, somewhat visible in Pocket/dumbSNES (depends on the game, in Super Mario it's very visible) and terribly obvious in fceux.

Before changing the firmware, I also noticed the same kind of flickering on the stock emulators so I'm wondering whether this is the problem with the stock kernel or maybe the screen/unit itself?

What's your progress guys? Will there be a CFW or custom kernel for the Plus soon, so I can compare it with my homebrew version?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on February 03, 2019, 11:16:48 pm
@rsplus - The problem was found to be insufficient bandwidth to the screen. It's impossible to drive the screen at 60FPS. Which explains the weird updating I showed in my slo-mo video. The frames are being updated and swapped many times while the screen is still receiving data.

The firmware developers are effectively boycotting the RS-97+ due to the screen. While you might be able to lower the frame rate enough to reduce or eliminate the weird screen shearing, it won't be a good experience. This is ultimately a hardware problem and has to be resolved by the manufacturer.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ManiaxMax on February 07, 2019, 01:50:39 am
I am still waiting on my plus to come in, but have a question, if I swap the screen out for the one in my regular rs-97 and flash the firmware for that version screen, will it work? If so, would I lose functionality for the analog stick? I really want the redesigned case and bigger battery..
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: gameblabla on February 07, 2019, 03:10:51 am
I am still waiting on my plus to come in, but have a question, if I swap the screen out for the one in my regular rs-97 and flash the firmware for that version screen, will it work? If so, would I lose functionality for the analog stick? I really want the redesigned case and bigger battery..
Yes, it will work. In fact, this is what Tony did to his RS-97 Pro. It's something i would recommend if you insist on using the Pro.
Analog stick is mapped to the Dpad (digital only) so it is useless, much like the way it's done on the PAP K3.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on February 07, 2019, 03:55:21 am
Yes, it will work. In fact, this is what Tony did to his RS-97 Pro. It's something i would recommend if you insist on using the Pro.
Analog stick is mapped to the Dpad (digital only) so it is useless, much like the way it's done on the PAP K3.

sed s/Pro/Plus/g < post.txt
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ManiaxMax on February 07, 2019, 10:25:08 am
I am still waiting on my plus to come in, but have a question, if I swap the screen out for the one in my regular rs-97 and flash the firmware for that version screen, will it work? If so, would I lose functionality for the analog stick? I really want the redesigned case and bigger battery..
Yes, it will work. In fact, this is what Tony did to his RS-97 Pro. It's something i would recommend if you insist on using the Pro.
Analog stick is mapped to the Dpad (digital only) so it is useless, much like the way it's done on the PAP K3.

Thank you so much, this is what I will do then! Considering that many do drastic  modifications to allow for the bigger battery, along with the new case eliminating the useless ports and no cartridge slot, this will be well worth it to me.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Stoofa on February 07, 2019, 04:24:32 pm
I am still waiting on my plus to come in, but have a question, if I swap the screen out for the one in my regular rs-97 and flash the firmware for that version screen, will it work? If so, would I lose functionality for the analog stick? I really want the redesigned case and bigger battery..
Yes, it will work. In fact, this is what Tony did to his RS-97 Pro. It's something i would recommend if you insist on using the Pro.
Analog stick is mapped to the Dpad (digital only) so it is useless, much like the way it's done on the PAP K3.

Thank you so much, this is what I will do then! Considering that many do drastic  modifications to allow for the bigger battery, along with the new case eliminating the useless ports and no cartridge slot, this will be well worth it to me.

Let us know how you get on if you don't mind mate
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ManiaxMax on February 07, 2019, 10:26:25 pm
I am still waiting on my plus to come in, but have a question, if I swap the screen out for the one in my regular rs-97 and flash the firmware for that version screen, will it work? If so, would I lose functionality for the analog stick? I really want the redesigned case and bigger battery..
Yes, it will work. In fact, this is what Tony did to his RS-97 Pro. It's something i would recommend if you insist on using the Pro.
Analog stick is mapped to the Dpad (digital only) so it is useless, much like the way it's done on the PAP K3.

Thank you so much, this is what I will do then! Considering that many do drastic  modifications to allow for the bigger battery, along with the new case eliminating the useless ports and no cartridge slot, this will be well worth it to me.

Let us know how you get on if you don't mind mate

Will do! my tracking # says it will be in Tuesday of next week, looking forward to trying it out
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Jamie_W on February 08, 2019, 01:25:34 pm
@rsplus - The problem was found to be insufficient bandwidth to the screen. It's impossible to drive the screen at 60FPS. Which explains the weird updating I showed in my slo-mo video. The frames are being updated and swapped many times while the screen is still receiving data.

The firmware developers are effectively boycotting the RS-97+ due to the screen. While you might be able to lower the frame rate enough to reduce or eliminate the weird screen shearing, it won't be a good experience. This is ultimately a hardware problem and has to be resolved by the manufacturer.

Well I should have done my research I guess! My RS-97 Plus just arrived and it's awful. The screen tears on everything and it feels too slow, things are clipping off the edges of the screen and the sound is so poor. This was not in any way what I was expecting after watching all the videos of the RS-97.

Returning mine straight away for a refund and completely put-off by the unit now. Considering a jump up to the GDP XD Plus, it's more expensive but the RS-97 has burned me now!
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: lazanti on February 09, 2019, 12:52:55 pm
With Tony's CFW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe-5DegDtY4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe-5DegDtY4)

I don't see any issues  8)
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Elegubiel on February 10, 2019, 02:52:44 pm
This firmware is not avaible yet in public? Got rs97 plus and the screen is total trash
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: npaladin2000 on February 10, 2019, 04:31:16 pm
I hope Tony releases that firmware soon. Otherwise I'm going to try the screen swap thing myself. 
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: ManiaxMax on February 11, 2019, 11:48:32 pm
Bad news everyone, I was so excited to try swapping the screen out with my RS-97 v2.0 screen and it was a completely different ribbon cable (smaller, different pin layout), the connector on the motherboard was moved, the pin layout for the old connector still exists on the pcb...I am pretty bummed out at this point, does anyone know if the ribbon connector is the same for all version screens on the OG RS-97?

PS. The screen on the plus is as awful as everyone says....real shame because they did so much right.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: hi-ban on February 12, 2019, 12:17:39 am
Bad news everyone, I was so excited to try swapping the screen out with my RS-97 v2.0 screen and it was a completely different ribbon cable (smaller, different pin layout), the connector on the motherboard was moved, the pin layout for the old connector still exists on the pcb...I am pretty bummed out at this point, does anyone know if the ribbon connector is the same for all version screens on the OG RS-97?

PS. The screen on the plus is as awful as everyone says....real shame because they did so much right.

You can't just swap the screen using the existing connector. You must solder all the components which are missing on the circuit board of the rs-97 plus. That includes resistors, capacitors, a 51-pin connector for the "new" screen, and some more components.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: peteo on February 15, 2019, 08:17:20 pm
So is basically every one saying stay away from the Plus since it does not look like custom firmware will be made for it?
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Elegubiel on February 15, 2019, 11:16:40 pm
Hope they Will do something.....
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: jbanes on February 15, 2019, 11:47:32 pm
So is basically every one saying stay away from the Plus since it does not look like custom firmware will be made for it?

If you haven't already purchased one, then yeah. Avoid.

At least until the next version of it is out. Word is they're going back to the same screen as the 3.0 board. Which I assume means we?re back to 480 lines. Which I'm totally okay with now that we have IPU support.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: SomeRetroGuy on March 09, 2019, 05:54:45 am
Not sure if people know about this but it seems cheap if you do want one:

https://www.tomtop.com/p-f1920.html

I am assuming it is not selling as well due to the poor compatibility with current CFW

Also they have the white RS-97 here too:

https://www.tomtop.com/p-f1805.html
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: gameblabla on March 09, 2019, 06:23:57 pm
Not sure if people know about this but it seems cheap if you do want one:
https://www.tomtop.com/p-f1920.html
I am assuming it is not selling as well due to the poor compatibility with current CFW
There's a reason why people don't buy it and it's because the screen has terrible tearing and is unable to go over 30 FPS
due to how it is interfaced.
As a result, Tony boycotted it (even though he could support, he's just wants to force them to release a decent device) and the CFW does not support it.
We could put something together using the stock kernel but it won't have triple buffering and all, not to mention no USB.
So yeah, it is not worth the 50$ believe me.

That white RS-97 is fine though but there's no guarantee they will give you this one and not the RS-97 Plus.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on March 09, 2019, 07:16:03 pm
Usb dont work only on retrofw if use current gmenu next compiled from available sources usb work

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: SomeRetroGuy on March 12, 2019, 08:37:36 am
Not sure if people know about this but it seems cheap if you do want one:
https://www.tomtop.com/p-f1920.html
I am assuming it is not selling as well due to the poor compatibility with current CFW
There's a reason why people don't buy it and it's because the screen has terrible tearing and is unable to go over 30 FPS
due to how it is interfaced.
As a result, Tony boycotted it (even though he could support, he's just wants to force them to release a decent device) and the CFW does not support it.
We could put something together using the stock kernel but it won't have triple buffering and all, not to mention no USB.
So yeah, it is not worth the 50$ believe me.

That white RS-97 is fine though but there's no guarantee they will give you this one and not the RS-97 Plus.

Ordered the white one, got a v 3.0 RS-97 white.

All seems good, games are in English, time to get flashing!
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on March 12, 2019, 08:48:40 am
You got not rg plus

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: SomeRetroGuy on March 13, 2019, 03:19:51 am
You got not rg plus

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nope got the straight up white one with no analogue stick, version 3.


works great.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: lazanti on March 17, 2019, 10:44:22 am
Looks like someone made a CFW for this device after all.

Running MGS (PSX): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXqUVMqAr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXqUVMqAr8)
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: gameblabla on March 17, 2019, 02:13:45 pm
Looks like someone made a CFW for this device after all.

Running MGS (PSX): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXqUVMqAr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXqUVMqAr8)
Yes it has a CFW, jutley released a prelimineary image of it together with some build (including PCSX4ALL) i've sent to him.
But you won't get USB working, you won't have triple buffering & vsync (hardware issues) and so on...
Hence why effort to improve on it has been given up.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on March 17, 2019, 02:17:46 pm
Looks like someone made a CFW for this device after all.

Running MGS (PSX): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXqUVMqAr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXqUVMqAr8)
Yes it has a CFW, jutley released a prelimineary image of it together with some build (including PCSX4ALL) i've sent to him.
But you won't get USB working, you won't have triple buffering & vsync (hardware issues) and so on...
Hence why effort to improve on it has been given up.
Its cfw a retrofw?

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: gameblabla on March 17, 2019, 02:37:39 pm
Its cfw a retrofw?
It's not RetroFW, it's based upon the older Useless firmware. Tony has refused to support the Plus LCD screen.
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: blackz1982 on March 17, 2019, 02:42:59 pm
Its cfw a retrofw?
It's not RetroFW, it's based upon the older Useless firmware. Tony has refused to support the Plus LCD screen.
Ok. Then usb works for me on cfw port from arcade mini. Gmenu myself compile from last available sources.

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Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: waru on April 30, 2019, 08:55:59 pm
So there is no hope for the new version? i just bought it
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: Jutleys on April 30, 2019, 10:16:30 pm
what new version are you talking about retro game plus V1
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: waru on April 30, 2019, 10:23:24 pm
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/Los-datos-de-la-rana-versi-n-mejorada-Retro-consola-de-juegos-port-til-64Bit-16/32986619784.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.9d1963c0ieAfkT

that one
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: LauweLoempia on May 08, 2019, 01:14:52 pm
If the specifications on the product page are accurate they used a similar screen to the RS-97 non-plus (a 480p screen). If so, would this mean this device could potentially support RetroFW?

https://es.aliexpress.com/item/Los-datos-de-la-rana-versi-n-mejorada-Retro-consola-de-juegos-port-til-64Bit-16/32986619784.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.9d1963c0ieAfkT

that one
Title: Re: Retro Game PLUS(RS-97 PLUS)coming soon
Post by: wiewiec on May 10, 2019, 05:28:34 pm
Hi, I recently got Retro Game Plus and i think that screen isn't that bad or maybe I got a device with newer screen? I only noticed tearing on NES emulator, Arcade emulators or SNES one have good visuals. Should I flash current CFW to it?