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Title: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Renard on January 04, 2017, 03:24:51 am
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.


Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 04, 2017, 04:04:32 am
Ah so this is what they were talking about on Tieba in the thread about the upcoming improvements to the Win then.
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Guerrillas sprayer : there will be large-screen version
2016-12-19 20:55

I'm always interested in Palmtops/tiny laptops but the mouse trackball (assuming that's what the red dot is) looks painful to use and prone to be being nudged when using the spacebar although given the amount of space available I'm not sure how that could be improved.
Is the button below the mouse ball a middle mouse button?
Judging by the render this design proposal is passively cooled correct or is there plans for a fan as well?
Is the proposed screen the same resolution as the Win (1280x720) or higher like 1366x768?
What about speakers?
What would the estimated price be?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MOFO on January 04, 2017, 04:09:48 am
Any idea what CPU it will have?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: AVahne on January 04, 2017, 04:19:32 am
Just a netbook.
Well I guess it'll be good for people who need a small computer with a decent-sized keyboard for touch-typing. Mostly those who missed using a netbook and who aren't using older ones since the specs are too outdated.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: SONY on January 04, 2017, 04:44:51 am
No gaming controls, so meh.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Renard on January 04, 2017, 05:37:38 am
Any idea what CPU it will have?

It uses Intel Atom x7-Z8700

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 04, 2017, 05:42:05 am
Honestly, I can't imagine many people would be interested in another  netbook. 

The interest for me is pretty much Zero


I would suggest that GPD focus on the GPD XD 2 as their next project.  That seemed far more interesting with it's 360 degree rotating screen.  And I know a lot of people have been waiting for it.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: mr.white on January 04, 2017, 06:33:25 am
Would need a better CPU and build in game controls, otherwise I wouldn't see a big market for it.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: elwing on January 04, 2017, 08:12:15 am
If not actively cooled, this thing is useless for gaming from what I see with my gpdwin...
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 04, 2017, 09:37:23 am
The three things I'd like to see GPD release next

1)  A Ubuntu download with drivers for the GPD WIN as promised to backers .  I know a lot of people that would buy a GPD WIN when Ubuntu becomes an option for it

2)  An Android  GPD XD 2, a lot of people have been waiting for this

3)  A premium GPD WIN option with 128GB storage or more. Perhaps even with a metal shell like the one shown at one point in the Indiegogo campaign.   There are a ton of people that would buy a larger storage WIN option.  Call it the GPD WIN Elite. 
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Renard on January 04, 2017, 09:40:16 am
Ah so this is what they were talking about on Tieba in the thread about the upcoming improvements to the Win then.
Quote
Guerrillas sprayer : there will be large-screen version
2016-12-19 20:55

I'm always interested in Palmtops/tiny laptops but the mouse trackball (assuming that's what the red dot is) looks painful to use and prone to be being nudged when using the spacebar although given the amount of space available I'm not sure how that could be improved.
Is the button below the mouse ball a middle mouse button?
Judging by the render this design proposal is passively cooled correct or is there plans for a fan as well?
Is the proposed screen the same resolution as the Win (1280x720) or higher like 1366x768?
What about speakers?
What would the estimated price be?

The mouse trackball indeed is the red dot. It contains the fan. The resolution is 1920?1080, and the price is not released yet. The audio chip uses Realtek ALC5645.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Renard on January 04, 2017, 09:43:54 am
Would need a better CPU and build in game controls, otherwise I wouldn't see a big market for it.

This device is an UMPC rather than the gaming console. This product is not the same series with GPD WIN, for GPD WIN series we will develop better processor. The name for this device is currently named ?Pocket?, which is positioned as a portable notebook. For Pocket 2 we will also develop better processor.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 04, 2017, 09:47:40 am
Honestly, I can't imagine many people would be interested in another  netbook. 

The interest for me is pretty much Zero


I would suggest that GPD focus on the GPD XD 2 as their next project.  That seemed far more interesting with it's 360 degree rotating screen.  And I know a lot of people have been waiting for it.

Hello,victor. We are waiting for a better chip for GPD XD 2.So please don't worry.It must will be released one day.
And this new product actually should be a UMPC not a game console. So we remove the game pad.and adopt a real full keyboard.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: SONY on January 04, 2017, 09:54:50 am
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

Hello GPD employee,

Please stop advertising or promoting your crappy netbook.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 04, 2017, 09:59:48 am
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

Hello GPD employee,

Please stop advertising or promoting your crappy netbook.

Come on SONY, you have been overly harsh on GPD lately.  As for this thread , there is nothing wrong with GPD starting a thread to get user input on a product they are contemplating .   They did the same for the GPD WIN and previous products
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 04, 2017, 10:00:57 am
The three things I'd like to see GPD release next

1)  A Ubuntu download with drivers for the GPD WIN as promised to backers .  I know a lot of people that would buy a GPD WIN when Ubuntu becomes an option for it

2)  An Android  GPD XD 2, a lot of people have been waiting for this

3)  A premium GPD WIN option with 128GB storage or more. Perhaps even with a metal shell like the one shown at one point in the Indiegogo campaign.   There are a ton of people that would buy a larger storage WIN option.  Call it the GPD WIN Elite.

Yes.We are develop the driver for Ubuntu now. Hope can complete soon.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: skelton on January 04, 2017, 10:08:45 am
I would prefer dualos with native Android and win10 for current gpd win. I can collaborate with kernel if you like.

A gpd xd 2 would be nice Too, but I suppose you are still waiting for rk3399, right? Or hace you considered other alternative like some New mtk processor?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Maniac on January 04, 2017, 10:50:48 am
For a device like this, I wouldn't go over a 6", or maybe even 5.5", screen. 7" is too big, it can't fit in your pocket. 1366x768 is probably the ideal resolution.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: nex86 on January 04, 2017, 03:24:14 pm
I like the idea, but why does it have to look so much like a Macbook?
I'd love a Netbook with those specs and an aluminium body but I think it should be at least 8"


PS: and it has more ports than a 12" Macbook haha love it ^^
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Faust on January 04, 2017, 04:06:45 pm
The three things I'd like to see GPD release next

1)  A Ubuntu download with drivers for the GPD WIN as promised to backers .  I know a lot of people that would buy a GPD WIN when Ubuntu becomes an option for it

2)  An Android  GPD XD 2, a lot of people have been waiting for this

3)  A premium GPD WIN option with 128GB storage or more. Perhaps even with a metal shell like the one shown at one point in the Indiegogo campaign.   There are a ton of people that would buy a larger storage WIN option.  Call it the GPD WIN Elite.

Yes.We are develop the driver for Ubuntu now. Hope can complete soon.
Hi Kendy,

Do you have any news about the development of the optimised Windows version of the GPD WIN? We are also waiting for driver fix for the mouse mod.

About this netbook, the resolution is too high, you should consider the 4G, a (retractable) touch pad, a front camera, a 360? hinge and sd card reader, not micro sd.

Envoy? de mon 6039Y en utilisant Tapatalk
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: nex86 on January 04, 2017, 05:34:32 pm
I'd go for 1366x768. Not higher because scaling in Windows can be a pain.
8GB RAM instead of 4GB would be better. And as Faust said, a cardreader.
I'd love to hide my SD card inside though so it doesn't stick out.

All this would be the perfect Netbook for me.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Pintek on January 04, 2017, 06:36:42 pm
Honestly the netbook render looks likes gitterbug and lenovo had baby an covered it in aluminum it doesn't look at all that appealing. Also gives me a razer switch blade concept feel though not as dark and the keys don't have tiny LCD's behind them. (http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/razer1.jpg)

I think it be more to peoples interest to make a further improvement to the gpd win
- split the "special keys" so the main keyboard is centered flanked by (the left side: L3, select, vol up, vol down, power | right side: r3, start, xbox, insert, pause
- further optimization to the heatsink/motherboard layout to allow a higher cfm blower style cooler used more commonly in laptops an active cooling tablets
-Possibly add back lighting to the key even if its minimal just enough so we can get a guesstimate of where the keys are
-experiment with the AMD merlin apu thats being used in the smach Z an see if its remotely possible to make the gpd win sized chassis handle that amount of heat if its remotely feasible
---if its likely impossible to make the amd chip work an sticking to the z8700 bump up the ram to 6-8gb an storage to use a mini pcie/msata connection so customers can later down the line upgrade the internal SSD (half length ones to save space)

If you REAAAALY want to make a netbook i'd say don't your going to get more issues then its worth my place of employment did a 3,200 computer rollout of HP specter x360's an this race to the thinnest laptop has made them fragile as heck when you put humans in the equation.

I'd dare say an I may be the extreme minority but seeing Sony's name in the thread reminded me of a darn near invisible umpc... Look at the vaio VNG UX series
(http://www.sony-asia.com/spider/da/34/16679.jpeg)
-Maybe make a device based on a similar concept but about... 6mm thinner? (I know thats not much these things were chunky in a good way)
-Something with a slide up screen full keyboard thats perfect to thumb type one (like the old sidekicks) BACKLIT (like the side kick 4g)
-Its gonna be a bit larger form factor so go ahead an dump a merlin or intel equiv whatever has a better performance to $$$ to power consumption but no atoms
since if going with a ux sized device allow for upgradable memory and storage heck even gives you room for a spare mini pcie slot for a cell modem
Make the device as friendly as possible for people that take public trans try to design something that people can hold while on the subway to get a quick bit of news or play monster hunter online with look at the sony psp an try to emulate such a fantastically friendly device into a windows computer form factor that can fit nicely into a purse, satchel, coat pocket, pants pocket.

Well the last bit actually sounds like you guys did that already with the win just get the quality up stream line things don't neglect this little guy cause every person i've shown as actually started wondering about getting one themselfs even when they know I have a buggy unit I deal with it an love using my gpd win for typing troubleshooting tech on site and gaming at lunch

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Kilrah on January 04, 2017, 08:44:52 pm
A machine that would be a bit more convenient to type on would be nice, but at the same time I wouldn't want anything bigger than the Win. I also like the usual clamshell design of the Win. In my opinion, making a 2nd device that is too "common" and close to existing netbooks would have little interest.

I'd rather see the couple of poor design choices of the Win optimised, since to me it is pretty much perfect apart from that.
- Keep the general case design
- Make the keyboard full width and centered, with a better choice of keycaps (need to feel the space between keys more)
- Move the special keys between the joysticks, L3/R3 ideally as joystick push but if not possible right next to the joys
- Fit a 6" screen with thinner bezels

And of course fix the remaining issues i.e. sleep crash, improve cooling slightly. A thin profile radial fan like in most laptops (look at Apple inside photos) might be more efficient than the current axial one.

Also port Android and allow for dual boot. This must not be a huge thing since other Cherry Trail devices do it e.g. Gole 1.

If you do that you cater for both markets.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/Kilrah/Win_2_concept_s_zpsorx41udh.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Kilrah/media/Win_2_concept_s_zpsorx41udh.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: PowerLion1 on January 04, 2017, 08:48:55 pm
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

I had two different netbooks.  Barely used them because of the low processing power and they were just too big to be portable and too small to be useful.  I now use a laptop for my main PC and the GPD Win for on the go.  What would be nice is one of the following.


Also, thumbs sticks suck.  That's why many laptops don't use them anymore and switched to a trackball, and now to touchpads.  Maybe if you used an infrared LED without color and pointed it upwards on a flat piece of plastic or glass, it would be more comfortable and might make it more appealing to use.  Think sort of an upside down mouse.  Like moving your finger over the mouse instead of moving the mouse on a table.  Also, one less thing that could possibly break easy.





The three things I'd like to see GPD release next

1)  A Ubuntu download with drivers for the GPD WIN as promised to backers .  I know a lot of people that would buy a GPD WIN when Ubuntu becomes an option for it

I second that!





2)  An Android  GPD XD 2, a lot of people have been waiting for this

With Microsoft announcing Windows 10 on the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor the GPD XD2 would sound like a great idea.  I don't have an XD, but if they made the XD2 the same as the XD and included two changes, I would grab it up in a heartbeat.






3)  A premium GPD WIN option with 128GB storage or more. Perhaps even with a metal shell like the one shown at one point in the Indiegogo campaign.   There are a ton of people that would buy a larger storage WIN option.  Call it the GPD WIN Elite.

Only problem with that is if they bump it up to 128GB then it goes out of the specs for a free Win10 license.  So, you would have to add an additional $50 on to the price of the unit.  And the increase in storage would add approximately $20 (retail) at the current rate.

Now you're talking nearly $500.  A metal shell (which absorbs heat much more) might not be a good idea considering how hot the GPD Win does get and will add on to the cost even more.

Although what would be nice is to put a second microSD slot on the other side of the board as well so that it has two microSD slots in the same location (like a sandwich) which would allow for more storage.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: jimboton on January 04, 2017, 08:55:49 pm
Personally, I wouldn't be interested in a portable device bigger than a GPD Win, even if it offered better controls or more power than the Win. And this design does neither of those things anyway!
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 04, 2017, 10:22:19 pm
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

My first thought: Oh my God! What idiot designed that keyboard?! Backspace below space? And a power button in the place of the backspace? Do you want me to turn the machine off every time I try to delete a character? Just put the power button on the side of the machine and put the backspace where it belongs. That advice was for free, you are welcome.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Gin2168 on January 05, 2017, 01:04:02 am
Some harsh replies, but I have to echo some of the sentiments here. While I invested in a GPDWin, I do have a few Atom based windows tablets laying around. Honestly they're not appealing and I don't really feel like there is a mainstream market for them. They're slow, big and really lack the power behind them to do what a real laptop could do. At that point, most people would just go with a Chromebook or Laptop.

At 7" it's just way to big to be a UMPC. UMPC should be like the GPD WIN far more portable so there's an incentive to having it. I think you guys would be far better keeping the GPD Win mold, fixing the keyboard placement, removing the controls, upgrading the storage and ram and selling it as a separate UMPC lineup.

Otherwise, there's 100's of products just like this one stateside and internationally that I just can't see to many people being interested. The GPD Win is unique, build on that and you'll find a much bigger niche market I think.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Renard on January 05, 2017, 06:21:50 am
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Pintek on January 05, 2017, 07:00:01 am
Honestly I own a first gen acer aspire one AOA150 netbook I do not feel a device smaller then one of those would be comfortable doing standard typing the idea of playing a fps/rts/mmo seams like a horrible idea on something a little bigger then the win but without its dedicated game controls.

Also guessing this will be thinner then a win an well that throws so many red flags for me saying the thicker HP spectre I've seen get warped chassis and they are "aluminum" I really don't think its the greatest idea to start throwing another device especially one that I don't think fits your company's name or theme (least that I've seen) "Game Pad Digital" you should be focusing on devices that take gaming controls firstly an cleverly an comfortably integrating them into a portable mobile device.

You say this device is gonna be called the pocket... thats a bit of a stretch. I mean yeah it looks like this device will be only maybe a half inch smaller in the width an height then my retired note 8 tablet with zaggkeys folio case but thinner an that thing was lucky enough to fit in my cargo pant leg pockets let along the actual side pockets (29" length x 32" length pant size)

You might as well try to make a 6" version of the panisonic jungle which kinda looks like a more rugged version of the win sans the full xbox controls an stranger appearance
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55c64cb2e4b0b697c48d66e6/55c78f98e4b06be790046b94/55cb4b82e4b0fffc5dd95c9c/1439386499009/jungle_1.jpg?format=500w) (https://s.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/jungle2.jpg)

Specs are fine but really at the form factor you could save yourself rma headaches by setting it up with mini PCIE based SSD, wlan and then using sodim memory (cleverly possibly notching the motherboard to give room) so the device doesn't need to be shipped back an people have to wait 30+ days to know if their device is even picked up for servicing.

This device seams more like something that whatever marketing research you've done I feel you had people say "yeah I'd buy that" but in reality they'll go with something that this is competing for at a lower price even if its inferior to performance... This device is bland and unoriginal if this was on indigogo before the win I wouldn't even have looked... I would have actually gone an bought a old vaio VGN ux if it wasn't for the fact I noticed the win was up for presale

I really recommend you continue to innovate your fascinating game handheld/windows hybrids I'm guessing you just have way more atom 8700s laying around from the gpd win which I'd say continue churning the win's out, optimize the heat sink design further, give people a option for ram an storage upgrades heck why not offer a premium full aluminum housing option to?

Finally I just feel you guys right now are in a interesting segment after releasing the win... You have made one of the first UMPC devices in a long while that out performs most cheap windows 10 tablets, topping it off right now you hold the monopoly on this till the smach Z comes out. Why not continue on that an design a few different styles of UMPC devices each of which work great an can show that while the concept of the smach Z is cool that its better to maintaining a keyboard and a clever way to have gamepad/mouse controls?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 05, 2017, 07:13:06 am
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

What are the dimensions of the device roughly?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: mr.white on January 05, 2017, 09:22:02 am
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

Any price yet?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: SONY on January 05, 2017, 11:27:18 am
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

Why bother? You'll most likely end up with a total of 100 (or less) sold, worldwide.
Just as @Gin2168 has already stated...There are so so many other products already released on the the market exactly like the one you're trying to make and some of them are even better.
Hardly anyone wants this crap!!
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 05, 2017, 12:03:32 pm
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

Please consider redesigning that keyboard!
Also, did you ever consider Core m3 CPU? If you slightly undevolt it, it will have a greater performance than the 8700 while being less hot and having a very similar TDP. The GPD Win is the proof, that the target-audience is willing to pay more for a better performance/size ratio.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Maniac on January 05, 2017, 12:38:18 pm
Also, thumbs sticks suck.  That's why many laptops don't use them anymore and switched to a trackball, and now to touchpads.
Disagreed, I prefer them to trackpads.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Deen0X on January 05, 2017, 12:53:45 pm
Hi!

Kendy asked to me about this device and i start asking to people to know their opinions.

There are a big part of users that don?t have any interest on this device, because there is no gaming controls on it.

Then centering on the other part of users, these that are interested on UMPC aspect, show some interest on it, but there is a part that comment they will really interested if the device is cheaper than GPD-Win (up to 200usd, no more). I understand this device will be so similar to current GPD-Win, then price will be similar too, then these users really will not get interested on this device, considering the final price is around 300usd or more.

Then, i centered on users that keep interesting on the device. They are only few guys that get real interest on the device, but talking with some of them, they requeriments may be fulfit with any other Window tablet on the market. the reasons are the following:

- GPD-Win is really portable device. you can put on your pocket and go. Any other device biggest than the Win will need a proper bag/backpack/etc for transport, then is not so portable as the Win.
Considering this point, if you will use a backpack for transporting this 7" UMPC, then you most probably can carry a 10" tablet + keyboard. This will not give to you a real difference between these two devices for transporting

- 7" size will not bring a keyboard size that can be used normally with all your fingers. In any case, will be used with two fingers.

- The size of the keyboard will be so big for use the device in portable mode, this is, holding with your hands and writting with your thumbs, because you must have a very long hands for typing with easy, using the center of the keyboard. (my case, i have mid-small hands, and i get not comfortable many times when typing on the Win, trying to reach the center of the keyboard)

- The price will most probably will similar to GPD-Win (in fact, is the same device with biggest screen, redesigned keyboard and biggest battery, without gamepad, but compensate i think on the cost)

- Considering the previous points, any windows (dual-os) tablet + keyboard case will give the same portability and (even better) experience of usage as 7" UMPC, with less cost than GPD-Win

Note that this is what i conclude talking with other users.

Now, my personal opinion is: GPD must center on the new market they created, starting with GPD-Win, a device with gaming features for portable windows gaming.
I think, a GPD-Win in 6" or 7" with small redesigns maybe a good alternative. Something where keyboard will be a little bit bigger size, and keep the gaming controls. (and a tiny border for get a big screen without lossing area)
This will cover the UMPC part for people that want a mini-notebook, with a better keyboard than GPD-Win 5,5" device
This will cover the Gaming need for people that wants a 7" device for windows gaming.

My suggested "small" changes for this device are the following:
- add a second card reader (a full sized slot). Many users will be glad on getting two card readers on the device. This open a way to expand storage on the device in a cheaper way, with SD Cards.
- Add more Full Sized USB ports. This will be nice to see 2x3.0 USB and 2x2.0 USB ports (or 1x3.0 and 3x2.0). In any case, adding USB ports on the device will increase their connectivity and usability as UMPC device, expanding their usages for many kind of applications, not only storage (external devices, printers, testers, etc). Is nice that GPD-Win have a full sized USB 3.0 port, but many we (as users) must connect an USB Hub for adding more ports to the device.
- Redesign the keyboard. Move the right button bar to the center of the device, between the analog sticks. this is, for long, the most requested fix on the GPD-Win and is a must be for next designs of the device.
- Mouse stick is a good idea in my opinion, but maybe replaced by an OFN device placed on the corner of the device. A OFN device give a better precise and comfortable mouse solution tan mouse stick (and is relatively cheap piece of hardware)
- The gamepad controls on this device will be a secondary element, then may keep the same size than GPD-Win (maybe the DPAD can be a little bit bigger). Keep the location on the top of the device, will give space for the keyboard to be biggest than GPD-Win, considering now is a 7" device.
- Add a RJ45 Gigabit port. this is very useful for UMPC aspect of the device.

The rest, keep the current GPD-Win features/specs

And yes, aluminium is a very cool material/color   ^_^
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 05, 2017, 03:19:03 pm
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

There's extreme reluctance to offer opinion about your future products given your company is notoriously deaf to said advice. Also, GPD staff seems to make promises they don't keep(hello Kendy Zhu, I'm still awaiting your reply about the Win you promised me but haven't sent as you did for others), and that they, GPD, continue to do whatever they please no matter how vociferously the community members worldwide disagree to it. The cockeyed keyboard and the L3/R3 placement on the Win for example.

Although it likely won't make any appreciable difference, I see three points in this compact laptop that could use reworking...

1. Power Button size and location is poorly thought out.
2. Hinge -if touchscreen, then why not 360? like the XD2?
3. Keyboard Layout
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 05, 2017, 08:33:28 pm


Here is the issue, the GPD Pocket proposed here is more or less a Netbook.  Netbooks had a small following until Tablets came out.   After that, pretty much no one wanted them as they just used a tablet instead with a keyboard cover.

And that's the problem, just as Deen0X said, the GPD Pocket would be competing with a shit load of tablets which you can get a keyboard cover with.   That includes all the cheap Cherry Trail Chinese tablets on the market now and even the Microsoft Surface 3 which you can buy for $399 from Walmart.  IF the GPD Pocket were pocketable, then ok, yes it would have a niche for those that want a pocketable UMPC . But with it's 7" screen, lets be honest , that is not going to be pocketable.   And because of it's width , you wouldn't be able to thumb type on it.

So how would the GPD Pocket compare to Cherry Trial tablets + Keyboard cover on the market now.   Not well. 

Just compare the GPD Pocket  to the most expensive competitor and see how it stacks up


MS Surface 3                              GPD Pocket

$399                                          ?  Probably the same as the WIN $360
Z8700                                        Z8700
10" screen                                  7" screen
Large Keyboard with Track Pad       Small Keyboard with no trackpad
Transportable in a bag                   Transportable in a bag
3.5MP front-facing camera             ?
8.0MP rear-facing camera              ?
Stereo speakers with Dolby            ?


It doesn't even Compete with Microsofts Surface 3 which is getting Cheaper as time goes on.   Then there are all the 10" Z8700 Chinese tablets with keyboard covers which are dirt cheap.


Why would you launch the GPD Pocket into that market.

Also, as others have mentioned, why on earth does the GPD Pocket have a large Power button where the Backspace should be .  And I notice the backspace is actually near the space bar.   This has got to be the worst designed keyboard I have seen in a long while.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: authoreyes on January 05, 2017, 11:26:51 pm
Very interested,

And this is kind of serendipitous. I've been searching for something exactly like this. I love my WIN for gaming, but being a writer/musician, I've been searching for a netbook style/7 inch small laptop for a while. I had a surface, but it's attachable keyboard stand flops and the fixed angles never satisfied me. Tablets with stands aren't great for quickly jotting a paragraph or two on your lap/on the go, and most older netbooks are way too underpowered to run modern browser based Google Docs and editing software. I want a windows based machine as most of the software I use is win/osx only, so mobile devices are out. So count me very interested, as long as the keyboard is useable.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: waterc88 on January 06, 2017, 02:38:12 am
the hell what other say..i want it...take my money :)....come on, its clearly not for gaming...so stop complain about "why there is no gamepad" thing...give input about the keyboard or button design
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: CampGareth on January 06, 2017, 09:01:40 am
I am not interested in this device and wouldn't buy it without some changes. Note that your pictures in post 1 don't load for me so I can't see what everyone else is seeing however if it is netbook-like then that's enough information.

The key difference between a UMPC and a netbook in my opinion is whether you can get all 10 fingers on the keyboard. Early Netbooks smaller than 10" failed pretty badly as you couldn't do that. 10" seems to be the minimum that's comfortable to use like that. UMPCs on the other hand are maybe 6" and smaller so you can thumb-type effectively. UMPCs are the category I love that died out and Netbooks are the one that I really hated.

If you brought the size down so thumb-typing is possible and enjoyable I could maybe find a use, though let's be honest, I'd struggle to justify buying something with the same specs as the Win when I already own one. Bump it up to 8GB of RAM, make the storage replaceable and throw in a core M CPU and it's a more interesting product from a performance perspective. If I really had my way I'd add Thunderbolt 3 or USB-C with displayport alternate mode so I could dock this device and get a proper keyboard/monitors when at a desk.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: n1ckn4m3 on January 06, 2017, 07:56:20 pm
Personally, not terribly interested.  I liked the GPD WIN as more of a compromise -- it has gaming controls in addition to a keyboard, tradeoff being that the layout of everything is less than spectacular in order to achieve both goals.

I'm not really in the market for a pocket-sized PC itself, I'm more in it for mobile gaming.

But that's just me!  Others in the UMPC market would probably notably prefer this to the GPD WIN because if you don't use the gaming controls, the tradeoff is steep.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Jutleys on January 06, 2017, 08:58:18 pm
If it runs Android I would be interested.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: PowerLion1 on January 07, 2017, 12:29:55 am
One thing I was wondering is if it's a 7 inch display, how can it be only slightly bigger than the GPD Win?

Calculator (http://www.prinds.com/tools/screenDimensions.htm)

16:10     1920x1200
17.78 cm     7 in.

Screen (w x h)
150 x  94 mm  |  5.94" x 3.71"



I used the "Perspective Correction" and resize tools in PaintShop Pro to determine the estimated size of the shell.
I CAN see it being ONLY slightly larger than the GPD Win.


Pocket Size (Estimated):172.64 x 104.10 mm6.80" x 4.10"
GPD Win Size (Measured):155 x 97 mm6.10" x  3.82"

So, It's only around 18 x 7 mm bigger than the GPD Win if my calculations are correct and no changes are made to the current design.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/4kzreq.jpg)

Seeing that, it makes it somewhat desireable IF I didn't have a GPD Win.

As some said. the power button is in a really bad location.

Also, I would recommend an optical mouse use like the Lenovo N5902.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk6W1gU7zr4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk6W1gU7zr4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk6W1gU7zr4
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 07, 2017, 12:38:44 am
Not to dance with the Devil, but the "Pocket" will sell for sure if kept as it is in the renders. There is much to respect here. If GPD were ambitious enough and modified some of the keyboard keys it would be improved over the current subpar design(as both a handheld and a tabletop pc).
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: ohno on January 07, 2017, 03:21:32 am
YES.
I want this.

I was one of the first (order number <10) preorders on the Indiegogo page.
I also sold my GPD WIN after the first week of receiving it.

(I think they did a great job making delivery ?on time?, although the order of which some people received them was a little disappointing. But the product actually got made, I received it, and it was exactly what I ordered. Yay.)

I didn?t need a gaming device ? I needed an admin device. I wanted something to boot into linux, remote into other devices, run local VMs.
I needed something I could actually type on ? trying to type in anything using my thumbs on the GPD WIN was just too slow. Don?t get me wrong ? I received a perfectly working model, the gaming controls and experience was cool. I just didn?t need it for that.

YES to this type of small netbook model.

Looking at the renders ?

1.   I would do away with the power button on the top right, and put the backspace button somewhere along there.
2.   Make the power button a switch or recessed button along the side, something you?d need to use a thumbnail to turn on to prevent accidentally hitting it.
3.   Give 8gb RAM
4.   Another USB type A
5.   Wifi card that supports monitoring, injection


My main concerns would be the battery, and perhaps the keyboard is still too small to type on effectively? but yah I?d pick one of these up.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 07, 2017, 06:59:14 am
I would prefer dualos with native Android and win10 for current gpd win. I can collaborate with kernel if you like.

A gpd xd 2 would be nice Too, but I suppose you are still waiting for rk3399, right? Or hace you considered other alternative like some New mtk processor?

The new product will run Windows 10 or Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
And for GPD XD 2,YES. we are waiting for a suitable processor now.^^
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 07, 2017, 07:00:25 am
For a device like this, I wouldn't go over a 6", or maybe even 5.5", screen. 7" is too big, it can't fit in your pocket. 1366x768 is probably the ideal resolution.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket.
It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,
with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard,
so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.And very easy to type and carry,it must be convenient for daily work.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 07, 2017, 07:15:40 am
I like the idea, but why does it have to look so much like a Macbook?
I'd love a Netbook with those specs and an aluminium body but I think it should be at least 8"


PS: and it has more ports than a 12" Macbook haha love it ^^

Thanks for support.
Because We still hope can extrude the portability.so i think a 7 inch screen should be the suitable display.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 07, 2017, 07:15:46 am
For a device like this, I wouldn't go over a 6", or maybe even 5.5", screen. 7" is too big, it can't fit in your pocket. 1366x768 is probably the ideal resolution.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket.
It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,
with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard,
so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.And very easy to type and carry,it must be convenient for daily work.

I think a lot of concern in this thread is focussed on if it actually would be pocketable, seeing since pocketable means different things to different people.

Kendy , can you provide the planned dimensions of the GPD Pocket?

Without the dimensions, the question of whether it is or isn't pocketable will just be an endless and sidetracking debate in this thread.   Providing the rough planned dimensions will settle the issue and give people a better understanding if to them, it will be pocketable. 


Also, please provide a good view of the keyboard so that we can see all the keys.  A top down view would be preferred.  As it stands now , I can see as others have, some major issues.  ie like the power button being in the spot where the backspace should be.  The problem there being that people instinctively would hit that key expecting it to be the backspace. The Delete key is also in a very weird spot, buried between two other keys.  And the Backspace button placement  near the right mouse button is terrible. 

 But that aside, there is no clear photo of the keyboard. In the top photo , because of the photo angle, some keys are impossible to see.  It also looks like there are blank keys on the left side.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 07, 2017, 07:34:20 am
Guys,Please check the following pictures.

You can hold it in one hand and put it into your pocket.
And it also can realize the hands type.^^

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 07, 2017, 08:02:30 am
Here is the latest layout of keyboard.
For the location of power button and delete.you all can check it as your kind reference.
Totally don't need to worry about the wrong operation.
Because Power button is a metal pot button structure, You need to taking great efforts to press down,
The press strength is totally different with other key.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: scatsy on January 07, 2017, 08:15:53 am
I dont know what to think about this product. As a consumer i dont see it very usefull. But i will Try to see it as a proffesional. I am photographer and filmmaker, also i am a teacher of both things, looking at that side i can see proffesional uses that  I see in the gpd-win, I edited heavy photos in my Win without problem and i believe that is very Interesting to take all the notes of the classes in the device (text and videos) actually that is what i do with a "Teclast Kindow" a tablet with Windows and Android wich size is 7.5"

But at the end i think that are many devices very similar to this mini laptop. One big difference that you can do, is adding two usb 3.1 full size ports. When i am shooting a film i need to backup the footage many times and if i have a device like this (the Teclast that I mentioned earlier is not worth it for this pulpos e size it have only 4GB of free Memory). With this device i could shoot the film, make the backup and copy to another Hard disk "on the fly" and take less time in the proccess, Also, since the device is powerful, I think you could make edits at the moment.

All this, from a professional point of view, of course

In short, add two full-size and fast usb ports, and I would buy the device with my eyes closed :D

Pd: Oh And if you can add a mini-projector, better
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 07, 2017, 08:29:56 am
Here is the latest layout of keyboard.
For the location of power button and delete.you all can check it as your kind reference.
Totally don't need to worry about the wrong operation.
Because Power button is a metal pot button structure, You need to taking great efforts to press down,
The press strength is totally different with other key.

The issue isn't actually pressing the power button and turning it off ( although that is part of it). The issue is that people with any experience using a QWERTY keyboard would instinctively look to  hit the key in that position expecting it to be Backspace.  Since Backspace is a key people use all the time, putting it near the right mouse button and having the power button in its natural place - is absolutely what you should not do.

I would swap the Del key and +/=  keys and put the Backspace where the Power button is - where it should be 

Find a different spot for the power button

Also, how do you hit F7-F12 and PgUp, Dwn, Home and End keys.   There is no function key?  Are they used with the Shift key?  Why are they color coded ?

As I said, the keyboard has some major issues.

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Faust on January 07, 2017, 08:52:20 am
Even the GPD WIN's keyboard is better.

The A key and the one beside is a bit Wierd, the same for Ctrl key, this wasted space, you should change it (Fn button besides Ctrl key, and Cap Lock besides A key?)

Envoy? de mon 6039Y en utilisant Tapatalk
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 07, 2017, 09:41:23 am
Thanks so much for the kind recommendations of keyboard.
Please check the latest keyboard layout blow:
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zurueck on January 07, 2017, 10:11:18 am
You must redesign keyboard layout! Its most important thing in this netbook. Now the layout looks completely absolutely unusable.

Power key need to move from the keyboard block, making it concave or like in samsung ultrabooks, excluding any accidental pressing.
Keys "Tab", "Del", "+ =", "PrnScr Insert", "Backspace" not in their right places.
I agree with the opinion that the arrangement of keys on a keyboard block GPD WIN is much better, because it is not very different from the standard keyboard layouts.
Do not ignore criticism of other people about keyboard layout, at least now.

Screen size 7 "is too large, 6" or 6.44" like in Xiaomi Mi Max would have been better for everyday wear in typical pocket.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zurueck on January 07, 2017, 10:49:04 am
Position of "Esc", "CapsLock", "Del" now seems OK.

"Backspace" must be in upper position. At current position of "Backspace" must be "+ =".
It is necessary to change the position of the Tab, now it is not very comfortable. I have no idea about best place, unless shrink "| \", a series of buttons from "Q" to "P" move bit to the right, and put "Tab" to the right, above "CapsLock".
Position of "~`" and " "' " little weird.

"Compressed" buttons "<,", ">.", "?/" and "{[", "}]", ":;" also not ok, but on other compact keyboards or compact devices its too inconvenient. Probably can be improved.

I'll show a variant of a better layout in my opinion in the edited image.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 07, 2017, 11:26:56 am
Position of "Esc", "CapsLock", "Del" now seems OK.

"Backspace" must be in upper position. At current position of "Backspace" must be "+ =".
It is necessary to change the position of the Tab, now it is not very comfortable. I have no idea about best place, unless shrink "| \", a series of buttons from "Q" to "P" move bit to the right, and put "Tab" to the right, above "CapsLock".
Position of "~`" and " "' " little weird.

"Compressed" buttons "<,", ">.", "?/" and "{[", "}]", ":;" also not ok, but on other compact keyboards or compact devices its too inconvenient. Probably can be improved.

I'll show a variant of a better layout in my opinion in the edited image.
Almost there!
Drop the pause/break button, nobody uses that (or make it an Fn function), shift PrintScreen and delete left one button, and make backspace double-long!
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zurueck on January 07, 2017, 11:54:00 am

Also a good option, but have an additional button which is easy to assign to any useful function in the OS or applications may be helpful.

Also need to think about the docking station or correct support USB Type C Alternate mode Display Port and charging in the same time.

Another also - is 177.80mm x 92.60mm size of whole device or only keyboard? If only keyboard - device have sizes    
just about 182mm and 106mm. It's totally hardly pocketable.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 07, 2017, 12:11:52 pm
Thanks so much for the kind recommendations of keyboard.
Please check the latest keyboard layout blow:

Wow, you actually do know how to take suggestions(and respond mostly to other's inquiries). Anyways, yes, that layout is an improvement over the original but still it needs some work.

-Some points-
1. F1-F12 are a waste of precious keys when you have to huddle, by necessity in this design, punctuation and symbols. F1-F12 should be where they traditionally are under Fn. This will give six extra keys to work with(for say brightness, volume, PrintScreen or such).
2. The mouse "pointing stick" shouldn't be so low to the bottom edge for comfort's sake, but should be above the B and under the G and H centered like on an HP Thinkpad. Think of how the fingers usually sit as they navigate a keyboard.
3. Tab should naturally be under ESC.
4. Maybe a not so popular option too would be to put Delete as Fn with Backspace to tidy it up there so - and + can be next to each other(and [ ] \ can be above to the upper left of them). Backspace(and Fn Delete) would then be the key just above Enter.  ;)

One more thing Kendy is you mean to say the word "Below" not "Blow" as in "Please check the latest keyboard layout below".  :)

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/below?s=t (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/below?s=t) [/list]
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Jutleys on January 07, 2017, 12:39:07 pm
Camera would be nice has to have 8gb ram phones now have 4 or 6 GB RAM now so people would just rather buy a powerful smartphone with lots of ram so you must complete and edge them to buy this instead.Also how about 3g 4g support ?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: monstercameron on January 07, 2017, 08:44:29 pm
lol just noticed the size, thought this was thumb type. that last illustration was kinda gross.
No offense, I want a handheld not a mini laptop.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: surt on January 07, 2017, 09:22:30 pm
Why on earth are they wasting keyboard face on the power switch?
Why not put it on an edge like just about every other laptop/handheld?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zurueck on January 07, 2017, 10:33:37 pm
I want a handheld not a mini laptop.
Exactly!

At this moment the device is too large. If you look at the picture with a sample model in pocket - it becomes clear that with this sample you can't just sit, the device will dig into the thigh. Not speaking about large scale in the end.

For carrying in a bag there already exists a large number of devices 2-to-1 with diagonals 8"-12" inches.

We need a handheld, umpc, pocketable device.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Deen0X on January 07, 2017, 10:40:57 pm
Thanks so much for the kind recommendations of keyboard.
Please check the latest keyboard layout blow:

And mid mouse button?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 07, 2017, 11:25:10 pm
Thanks so much for the kind recommendations of keyboard.
Please check the latest keyboard layout blow:

And mid mouse button?
There's a middle mouse button between the left and right mouse buttons.

I know others aren't too excited about the "Pocket" but for a mini-laptop it's pretty good for general on the go computing and internet consumption given the large keys and the 7" display. Although not it's intended purpose, when paired up with an 8Bitdo bluetooth controller it could become a decent game emulation device too. ;D 
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 08, 2017, 12:00:54 am
I know space is precious so I'm not entirely sure there is room and it would increase cost but backlight keys could prove useful here if there is space.
One way or another there is only so much space for keys and compromises will be made somewhere so knowing where everything is while typing in the dark would be useful, with the ,./ and []\ grouped so tightly they would be hard to use without seeing them and someone frequently hitting a key they didn't mean to would prove frustrating.


More than anywhere else on the internet there are a bunch of Japanese blogs talking about this and Japan with its love of UMPC's will likely be the biggest market for the Pocket.
There's some good advice in this thread about the keyboard here but if you haven't already I'd say reach out to every Japanese blog that has covered this and solicit the opinion of them and their readers to see what they think and what they would pay for something like this.

The Win's keyboard isn't great but is okay for what it is considering the size but its main purpose is for gaming and I have seen some non-gamers who bought it to try it out and liked it but ended up selling it because the keyboard was not good enough for their purposes, this however first and foremost is a general purpose palmtop without a game controller built into to and will live or die by how well the keyboard functions in everyday use.




Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: mycraftisbest on January 08, 2017, 02:34:19 am
If I didn't already have the GPD Win, I would have a hard time deciding between the two and would of had a tough choice deciding. It looks a lot nicer and sleeker with similar design to a macbook (which is the only thing I've ever liked about those things), has a nicer screen for video playback, larger internal storage, more standard keyboard, and a proper mouse setup with a middle mouse (seriously, still waiting for the driver update where you make the L3 or R3 button middle mouse because the choice of DOWN and BREAK are random and idiotic).

Here's why it no longer appeals to me and I would never want to own both.

The basic specs are largely the same. Same CPU with the same integrated graphics and same amount of RAM. Sure, the screen is higher resolution and it has a more standard (although less so than a mousepad), but it's running the same hardware. Also the screen being so small the resolution only does so much, plus as far as games go, many can't even run in 720p well so we would be playing at a 480ish resolution anyway. Not to mention, it also lacks gamepad controls entirely. The last few points about gaming are more understandable as this appeals more to a business/practicality market, but it is still something it lacks. It also has the same ports the Win offers except it seems this one lacks the Micro SD slot. I've also gotten used to the GPD Win's keyboard by now personally and have become rather fast at typing on it.


If you want to sell me on a new computer built around the same 8700 and something that I think is reasonable for you to actually manufacture, here is more what I'm looking for:

(Similar to the GPD Win but a bit larger to add more room for certain additions.)
(To better accommodate for the fact it will also be used as VRAM.)
(we don't really need the touch, save your money if applicable, only really useful if it can dual-boot into Android)
I'd also be fine with a non-HD 16:9(854x480?) screen. Let's talk about this one. Screens are expensive and are also one of the most power/performance drainers on any computer. As previously stated, many games will not run well enough at the higher 720P already using the hardware in the GPD Win. It is also fairly small and many people have trouble seeing certain things. Just using a lower quality screen will fix both these issues and you can focus marketing on high FPS in games. The touch aspect of the screen is also largely useless when you consider mouse mode. These ideas for the screen are to help cut cost. As far as marketing goes, just focus away from the actual resolution and market it instead as DOUBLE THE RESOLUTION OF THE 3DS or some less direct version of comparing it to the closest look alike, the Nintendo 3DS. which has a 400?240p resolution (technically 800?240 for the 3D, but still a true marketing phrase). If this somehow doesn't shave off much of the production cost or you encounter issues with implementation, a similar screen to the GPD Win will suffice and be more desirable. Again though,
With the extra half an inch of room (when compared to the Win), you can have decent speakers placed below the screen.
(you have the room for it now)
Just a cheap little thing so you can say it has one
Move the L3 and R3 ether closer to the analog sticks, on the back with L1/L2/R1/R2, or clickable sticks. Select and Start in the middle between the controller layout.
Step 1: Kill the island to the right of the keyboard.
Step 2: Expand the size of the main keyboard by 0.75" in both directions.
Step 3: Make a new island somewhere else
So we already talked about L3 and R3 as well as Start and Select. Basically, the new island should be between the controller mode switch and the GPD logo of the current GPD Win.
Featuring a middle click on L3 and R3 (and perhaps alternate presets,if not full customization, for the keys like one without acceleration)
(The fan in the GPD Win is $10, having one on each side would be great. There is also room for a slightly larger heat sink and better venting so that you can have fins without blocking airflow. Yes the Intel Atom is designed for passive cooling, but we want to push this thing to the limit. If you can make it run cool when pushed to the limit with only one fan or even passivly, then don't add the fans (obviously).
The z8700 can only support 3 USB ports. I'm going to assume that one of the other components on the GPD Win shows up as a USB device. However, the USB-C could really be improved to allow proper charging and video output. If you could incorporate the video into USB-C you could just flat out remove the HDMI-C

Price I'd be willing to spend: $550-650 USD
I'd be willing to pay more if you based the same computer around a nicer CPU like the Intel? Pentium? Processor N3710, which should be cooled fine with the 2 fan setup. Maybe $800 - $850.

Think about it. Here's an idea of the bottom half of the unit re-designed to scale. (The L3-R3 buttons are not on the island here)(http://i.imgur.com/MLvRHKo.png)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MOFO on January 08, 2017, 05:28:23 am
Put in a KABY LAKE Y series CPU and the WIN's gaming controls with repositioned L3/R3 buttons and I think might be interested....maybe.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: LordDavon on January 08, 2017, 03:59:25 pm
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

Make it a 2-in-1 where the screen can fold back on the unit, and put ChromeOS + Android Apps on it.  Chromebooks sell right now, as they are small, portable, and fast on low end CPUs.  You'll get more sales.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Oshin on January 08, 2017, 04:44:56 pm
Im a proud owner of a GPD Win and XD as well as a few netbooks and tablets down through the years. Its cool to see another product but I have a few issues that would stop me from buying it.

The 7" size to me is one that comes and goes, the first eee pc had a screen this size and many tablets. However phablets cut into this market hard now.

Most netbooks settle around 10 or 11 inch. There is a reason for this, its the most small comfortable size to use on your lap or a table. 7 inch is too far small because unlike a tablet you cannot bring it closer and use it easily. Imo thats ehy the first eee pc sizes were eventually replaced by bigger machines. A 7" machine also is as about as portable as a 10", you cannot pocket a 7" easily.

Finally there is the matter of brand, you can get a 10" netbook in all shapes and sizes from respected manufacturers, its hard for a customer to instead buy from Geekbuying and have to deal with long turn arounds for fixes as opposed to dealing quickly with local retailers and manufacturers. It was tolerable for the win as it such a unique item, but for a netbook I dont think so.

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Title: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vimagreg on January 08, 2017, 07:06:39 pm
For me this is a fair good device, but with the same GPD Win specs there's no way to interest me. It should have at least 8GB RAM to make some appeal, otherwise GPD Win is still the very best option. Come on, put 8GB RAM in it, I can't find any reasonable explanation to don't do that.

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Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: monstercameron on January 08, 2017, 10:35:59 pm
Here is what I am looking for in a netbook now a days:

if its just a netbook then us american can just go to bestbuy and buy an
https://www.amazon.com/C100PA-DB02-10-1-inch-Chromebook-1-8GHz-Operation/dp/B00ZS4HK0Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483912774&sr=8-2&keywords=asus+chromebook+10

or the legion of uber cheap netbooks from reputable brands to buy from. so if the pocket is just a slightly smaller netbook from a chinese brand that doesnt have much western presence outside of the niche -read the win- not sure why i would buy it. I am interested in netbooks and umpcs but for me to buy such a product from you guys at GPD its gotta be special.

let me go over the specs and my ideas. firstly the idea of buying a netbook with an old apu like the z8700 is not very interesting. the new apollo lake atoms or core m3 are great options and offer tonnes of performance in line with contemporary laptops.

8gb ram is the minimum, that allows easy multitasking and browsing with many tabs open. ideally it has to be ddr4 for marketing reasons. I wont buy another ddr3 mobile after my win, ddr3 is old and i hate the idea of old tech.

64GB is an adequate amount of storage for a handheld device as long as it have sd card storage, however it has to be fast storage like msata or nvme. dont want to deal with emmc, it slow garbage for a netbook class device.

the rest of the specs are just differentiation, oled display, 4g lte, finger print sensor are optional specs that would add alot of value to such a handheld device .

it needs to have killer battery life, it needs to last an entire day with wireless. so if it needs to be slightly thicker , so be it.

when i was looking at the hand positioning it just looked flawed. Why would i have such a small device so far away from me. it needs to be optimized for thumb typing, touch typing on such a small device just wont work well. thats why you dont see 7 inch eepcs anymore. the formfactor was not very good.

last but not least, it obviously needs to be cheap but its not worth it being cheap shit. Add value to it and make it easy to buy. Id pay upto $600 for the specs listed above, make it an interesting device, interesting styling. it simply being the guts of the win but with a bigger screen is not appealing at all.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 09, 2017, 12:28:07 am
Well it was briefly mentioned in this thread but over on Tieba they are heavily touting Ubuntu on it more than anything else.
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This is the world's first UMPC to support Ubuntu 16.04 LTS system!
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This has almost deviated from the scope of the UMPC bar UMPC most models feature is to allow you to use handheld and typing.This stuff can only be used on the table and the same as the pen, at best close to the previous six or seven inches Of the Internet.


Pantsugrd :  now on the market cheap 8300 small walled version is also very much about three hundred five hundred will be able to engage in basic units plus a Bluetooth keyboard holster can achieve the same effect and because of the lack of joystick and mode of operation of this product should be. Few people will be used to play the game, then use the price difference of 8700, then the price is very low if the price is not low if the GPD I am afraid that the competitiveness of worrying.
2017-1-8 00:17 Reply

Guerrillas sprayer :  Reply Pantsugrd : The main Linux users! First, the system open source, followed by open source software, gcc, gdb, emacs and other programming software can provide a good programming environment, install Chrome can also support Andriod games.
2017-1-8 00:26 Reply

Pantsugrd :  Reply guerrillas sprayer : there will be a game console launch it?
2017-1-8 00:40 Reply

Guerrillas sprayer :  Reply Pantsugrd : not going out, but do not rule out this keyboard will shrink modified handle.
2017-1-8 02:21
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Guerrillas sprayer :  there are differences, first of all this product for geeks, Linux enthusiasts, mobile computing and mild office users. It is very small, very convenient to carry, and solve the input problem. Can replace the mainstream combo laptop and tablet. And then the two do not have portability.
2017-1-8 02:24 Reply

Guerrillas sprayer :  Then, based on improved WIN program before, the higher its program maturity, which means it does not WIN listed at the beginning of so many problems.
2017-1-8 02:26 Reply

Punish me :  reply guerrillas sprayer: I'm talking about board and win .... typo
2017-1-8 02:28 Reply

Guerrillas sprayer :  And the heat, to brass heat, heat output of large diameter pipeline, a new fan.
2017-1-8 02:29 Reply

Guerrillas sprayer :  plus-one color aluminum CNC shell, appearance comparable MacBook Air. With the configuration, the performance and cost-effective certainly beyond the Surface 3.
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Guerrillas sprayer :  Reply bulging LF : That is quite! However, if the joystick, then the internal structure is equal to tear down again. But we do not want the name of WIN 2 in this mold based on the change, it will be buyers scolded. Coupled with the default resolution of 1920 * 1080, if you use it to play games, performance is certainly not as good as WIN.
2017-1-8 02:42 Reply

Bulging LF :  Reply guerrillas sprayer: This mold is win2 generations, then really good. , A large number of people waiting for a generation of it
2017-1-8 02:50 Reply

Guerrillas sprayer :  Reply bulging LF : the WIN 2 will use a higher performance processor, rather than take Z8700 put forward such WIN Max, is expected to have to wait for next year
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Is because gpd win with joystick button, only to attract me, you out of a play this easy, who recognize you this brand



Guerrillas sprayer :  this does not matter, there is little notebook with Ubuntu system, not to mention such a small notebook Ubuntu, this product is definitely a geek circles and Linux users favorite, of course, we also offer Windows 10 firmware.
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Guerrillas sprayer :  will support Linux, the preferred 64-bit Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, because mainstream desktop notebook, laptop or tablet combo rarely Linux support, but such a small notebook around the world were in developing our company. I have installed Windows in VMware with Ubuntu 14.10 LTS, running very smooth, mainly due to the speed of eMMC, plus Ubuntu itself on the memory requirements of Windows 10 is not high.
2017-1-8 02:47 Reply

andygraf :  I was playing when GPD WIN sometimes want one-hand operation right mouse buttons, but GPD WIN can not do, and I feel the touch panel operation accurate positioning, speed may also be trying to control their own fingers glide speed, feel very free . You can also click on my hands, I personally feel that get hold of the touchpad very good.
2017-1-8 02:47 Reply

Guerrillas sprayer :  If fusion handles, which became one of the handheld. But if you do not use a higher performance processor, the player is not interested.
2017-1-8 02:48 Reply

Guerrillas sprayer :  Reply andygraf : In addition, there are Steam client for Ubuntu developers, since the game is not entirely dependent on Steam handle keyboard can operate. So, do not worry about missing the handle can not play the game.
2017-1-8 02:51 Reply

andygraf :  Reply andygraf : wrong, double-click
Rather than a Windows device with the option of using Ubuntu this seems to be a Ubuntu device with the option of using Windows.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 09, 2017, 12:58:38 am
Here is what I am looking for in a netbook now a days:
  • atom n4200 or core m3 apu
  • 8gb ddr4
  • 64GB msata or M.2 NVME
  • 1080p oled/ips
  • 4g lte
  • wifi ac
  • 2x usb 3 type-c
  • 8 hour battery (large battery)
  • finger print sensor
  • thumb type keyboard
  • upto $599 price

if its just a netbook then us american can just go to bestbuy and buy an
https://www.amazon.com/C100PA-DB02-10-1-inch-Chromebook-1-8GHz-Operation/dp/B00ZS4HK0Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483912774&sr=8-2&keywords=asus+chromebook+10

or the legion of uber cheap netbooks from reputable brands to buy from. so if the pocket is just a slightly smaller netbook from a chinese brand that doesnt have much western presence outside of the niche -read the win- not sure why i would buy it. I am interested in netbooks and umpcs but for me to buy such a product from you guys at GPD its gotta be special.

let me go over the specs and my ideas. firstly the idea of buying a netbook with an old apu like the z8700 is not very interesting. the new apollo lake atoms or core m3 are great options and offer tonnes of performance in line with contemporary laptops.

8gb ram is the minimum, that allows easy multitasking and browsing with many tabs open. ideally it has to be ddr4 for marketing reasons. I wont buy another ddr3 mobile after my win, ddr3 is old and i hate the idea of old tech.

64GB is an adequate amount of storage for a handheld device as long as it have sd card storage, however it has to be fast storage like msata or nvme. dont want to deal with emmc, it slow garbage for a netbook class device.

the rest of the specs are just differentiation, oled display, 4g lte, finger print sensor are optional specs that would add alot of value to such a handheld device .

it needs to have killer battery life, it needs to last an entire day with wireless. so if it needs to be slightly thicker , so be it.

when i was looking at the hand positioning it just looked flawed. Why would i have such a small device so far away from me. it needs to be optimized for thumb typing, touch typing on such a small device just wont work well. thats why you dont see 7 inch eepcs anymore. the formfactor was not very good.

last but not least, it obviously needs to be cheap but its not worth it being cheap shit. Add value to it and make it easy to buy. Id pay upto $600 for the specs listed above, make it an interesting device, interesting styling. it simply being the guts of the win but with a bigger screen is not appealing at all.

You are writing about a niche market in a niche category. Nobody will make that system you just described, because very few people would buy it.

The Apollo Lake chipset is not meant for tablets. Intel gave up on that idea. It's meant for embedded systems or full sized notebooks. For starters, the N4200 has a TDP of 10W, that's >200% more than the Z8700. It also requires 12V power supply, whereas the z8700 was good with 5V (that's why you can charge the Win from a regular mobilephone powerbank). It also only supports LPDDR3 RAM, in dual-channel configuration, a maximum of 8GB, so DDR4 is out the window. It does have a better GPU by enabling more Execution Units, but at the core it's the same GPU.

The Core m3 7y30 would be a better choice, it has a similar TDP that the Z8700 has (4.5W), a much higher single-thread performance (which is most important for games) and a better GPU. It also supports DDR3 only, but the maximum of 16GB. Problem is: it costs $280 whereas the Z8700 was $37. It's twice as fast, but 750% more expensive.

While 8GB RAM is good, it's note essential. Not unless you plan to use this as your only computer. You won't use productivity applications on this, who would want to edit movies/sound/pictures on a 7" screen? 4GB is enough that if you are in a pinch and you have absolutely no other option, you can still do some work in Photoshop or Illustrator or Logic. For games, 4GB is more than enough. You won't find a game that runs well on an intel z8700 or even an m3 7y30 with integrated graphics but needs 8GB of RAM. You also won't do virtualization, because these low power CPU's don't support it, and again, a 7" handheld is not meant for that. On the other hand for some lightweight web-development or some python scripts this hardware is more than enough, and RAM won't be a bottleneck.

The m.2 SSD would be very good. But if you want to keep the device slim, you'd have to integrate it on the motherboard. An m.2 slot needs at least 3.6mm height, that would take up battery and cooling space and would result in a thicker device for no additional benefit (for most people).

The 1080p resolution is up for debate, but I think Windows 10 would be areal pain on 6" at FHD. You won't notice the difference in games or movies either, it just uses more power, resulting in a slower system, again for no benefit other than saying it's FullHD. As for the OLED, everyone has their preference. While it would look good for sure, it's also way more expensive, and I don't know it you are familiar with the term: Pen-tile matrix, but most OLED's use that arrangement. It's not annoying on a TV, because you sit too far to notice, and it's not annoying on a FHD phone, because it has a higher resolution display on 5-5.5", so again, hard to notice. But at 720p 6" it would be horrible.

(http://icdn3.digitaltrends.com/image/one-s-one-x-screens-theverge-625x380.jpg?ver=1)

LTE is good, but most people have a smartphone with a hotspot capability nowdays. Did you know you can set it up in Android so that it shares the LTE over Bluetooth with a trusted device (like your laptop), so you don't even need to take your phone out to make a hotspot for yourself? And it even uses less battery than sharing over WiFi? Anyhow, I can see why some people might want this.

The Win already has an AC WiFi. Quite good in fact.

2x USB 3.0 Type C? Do you mean changing the USB-A to C? Because if so, it's a horrible idea, that Apple just happened to have with their macbook pro line, and just go and see how bad that turned out. A big reason I like the Win so much is the full sized USB.

8h battery: okay, in what use-case? Gaming? That would need to be 4 times bigger (and heavier) than in the Win. Let's stay reasonable, double the battery the Win has, and you got yourself 9-10h of browsing / movies and 5h of gaming. That should cover a cross-Atlantic flight including the check-in. If you use the Atom CPU, you can top that off from a mobilephone powerbank. If it's an M3 7y30, then tough luck.

I don't really see what you use-case would be with the device you described, but it would cost a whole lot more than $600, the CPU, screen, RAM and the m.2 SSD would cost just as much, and you are yet to design a mainboard, a housing, a battery, etc. I'm thinking about $1000 would cover the initial run, but only if there are a lot of preorders. You can't make only 200 motherboards, you need to make 1000-5000 to bring down the costs to a reasonable level.

I didn't meant to chew you out, but if you want a powerful portable gaming machine with AAA titles, I think you are better off waiting for the Nintendo Switch than waiting for a miracle PC to happen. Cheaper too.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 09, 2017, 01:05:10 am
Okay, here's my subtle modification of the official most current layout for the "Pocket" UMPC:

(http://i.imgur.com/RUI4ZdI.png)

Things I like:
1. Delete and Backspace are adjacent.
2. Has Volume and Brightness controls.
3. F1-F12 are traditionally placed.
4. Tab is about where it should be.

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 09, 2017, 01:21:58 am
Okay, here's my subtle modification of the official most current layout for the "Pocket" UMPC:

(http://i.imgur.com/RUI4ZdI.png)

Things I like:
1. Delete and Backspace are adjacent.
2. Has Volume and Brightness controls.
3. F1-F12 are traditionally placed.
4. Tab is about where it should be.

Wow, much better! A few notes: since you already got F1..12 covered, how about the dedicated volume keys has a secondary function of brightness (with Fn), then you can move the PrtScn up to the top row. I'd also resize the left Fn key to full sized, and make the Windows key smaller. Then move the right-Alt in the place of the ["'] the [:;] and the ["'] can be next to each other next to the space, and right Ctrl can be an Fn function to the Alt key.

(http://i.imgur.com/07ZgtrY.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 09, 2017, 09:36:57 am
Thanks so much for your kind recommendations.
We will adjust the keyboard layout soon.Once get update new,I will share with you all.
And here is some picture of GPD Pocket prototype more~
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: kendyzhu777 on January 09, 2017, 09:38:57 am
GPD Pocket prototype with Display
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Jutleys on January 09, 2017, 09:47:28 am
GPD Pocket prototype with Display
Can us loyal buyers of the gpd win get a discount price for this pocket device? that would be great and i really think 8gb ram is a must
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Faust on January 09, 2017, 10:33:29 am
Thanks so much for your kind recommendations.
We will adjust the keyboard layout soon.Once get update new,I will share with you all.
And here is some picture of GPD Pocket prototype more~
Because of the thickness of the base of the GPD Pocket, you should consider to add a retractable touch pad like on in this picture on a side or on the front side:

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_859397bigthumblogpadmain.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=859397bigthumblogpadmain.jpg)

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Lapdesk-Retractable-Multi-Touch-Touchpad-939-000356/dp/B00519ASQG

Not the same size, but the same system.

It would be better to have a hinge that allows the screen to flip 360 ?, the keyboard is not practical with one and, neither the mouse, better use the on screen keyboard and the touch screen
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 09, 2017, 10:51:22 am
@kendyzhu777

Can you post a picture of a closed GPD WIN sitting on top of a closed GPD Pocket.  An overhead photo of this would be good, it will be the best to show the size comparison, and end a lot of questions.


Also, is it true that the GPD Pocket will be on Indiegogo in February?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: midknight on January 09, 2017, 11:02:22 am
what you could do take the guts of a gpd win and put it into the shell of the q9psv and add a wacom or wacom style digitizer. maybe with the extra space jump up to a core m.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 09, 2017, 11:35:03 am
Okay, here's my subtle modification of the official most current layout for the "Pocket" UMPC:

Wow, much better! A few notes: since you already got F1..12 covered, how about the dedicated volume keys has a secondary function of brightness (with Fn), then you can move the PrtScn up to the top row. I'd also resize the left Fn key to full sized, and make the Windows key smaller. Then move the right-Alt in the place of the ["'] the [:;] and the ["'] can be next to each other next to the space, and right Ctrl can be an Fn function to the Alt key.
Thanks zdanee for the feedback but it appears the company is well on it's way to a prototype case for the unit and thus unable to shrink or offset keys. My intentions here with the v1 Mod were to make the transitions as easy as possible for them. I had thought about putting Brightness controls under Fn with Volume but with only a singular Fn key on the left, it seemed friendlier to the user to have them as distinct keys.

I too would have preferred semicolon next to apostrophe but that would entail, as best option, migrating the directionals one over to the left. As a version 1 it came out well enough though. I do like your idea of reducing the Windows key.  :)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vimagreg on January 09, 2017, 11:37:04 am
Sorry but I can't understand. If the prototype is ready, if almost all suggestions made here will be ignored, if this device will be released independent of our opinions, if specs will be that previously determined and nothing will change that...

What the reason of this thread?

Just release the device on Indiegogo, and let it go. I really didn't understand why this thread... I thought our opinions and suggestions would be considered, but obviously it's not the case. So, release the gadget and move on.

Weird...

Cheers,


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Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: eragon2890 on January 09, 2017, 12:06:13 pm
Sorry but I can't understand. If the prototype is ready, if almost all suggestions made here will be ignored, if this device will be released independent of our opinions, if specs will be that previously determined and nothing will change that...

What the reason of this thread?

Just release the device on Indiegogo, and let it go. I really didn't understand why this thread... I thought our opinions and suggestions would be considered, but obviously it's not the case. So, release the gadget and move on.

Weird...

Cheers,


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Uhm, no, prototype can be made in a day with a 3d printer. you show the design you want using hte prototype. You get feedback. You make new prototype. Etc.

When the first prototypes for the win were made in may, it had an 8500, no fan, stereo speakers, a tiny non-copper heatsink, and a metal shell. When it came out, it had a 8700, a fan, a huge coppper heatsink, mono sound, and a plastic shell.

Prototype =! necessarily "we are  almost done".
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 09, 2017, 12:24:43 pm
Just wanted to mention, when I said prototype I meant the general physical layout of the device's keyboard keys was probably set in stone. Despite that, I made another slight albeit unlikely mod:

(http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png)

1. Shrunk the Win key per zdanee's advice. :)
2. For declutter purposes, I removed the physical key on the bottom edge near right mouse click(as zdanee did), and moved Insert to Fn with Delete.

Something I'd personally like to add too is a micro sd slot if room permits.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Maniac on January 09, 2017, 12:32:18 pm
For a device like this, I wouldn't go over a 6", or maybe even 5.5", screen. 7" is too big, it can't fit in your pocket. 1366x768 is probably the ideal resolution.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket.
It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,
with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard,
so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.And very easy to type and carry,it must be convenient for daily work.

It can be fit into a pocket, but it cannot be carried comfortably in a pocket (as demonstrated by your pictures). If the top fits out of reasonably deep pockets, then I don't define that as pocketable.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Faust on January 09, 2017, 12:56:08 pm
Just wanted to mention, when I said prototype I meant the general physical layout of the device's keyboard keys was probably set in stone. Despite that, I made another slight albeit unlikely mod:

(http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png)

1. Shrunk the Win key per zdanee's advice. :)
2. For declutter purposes, I removed the physical key on the bottom edge near right mouse click(as zdanee did), and moved Insert to Fn with Delete.

Something I'd personally like to add too is a micro sd slot if room permits.

To me the "Volume +" key should have "Brightness +" as FN function and the same for "Volume -" / "Brightness -"

I would also put Caps lock besides Q and move the "A" row a bit more on the left so you could add a bigger "Back" key.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: jimboton on January 09, 2017, 01:04:18 pm
For a device like this, I wouldn't go over a 6", or maybe even 5.5", screen. 7" is too big, it can't fit in your pocket. 1366x768 is probably the ideal resolution.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket.
It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,
with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard,
so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.And very easy to type and carry,it must be convenient for daily work.

It can be fit into a pocket, but it cannot be carried comfortably in a pocket (as demonstrated by your pictures). If the top fits out of reasonably deep pockets, then I don't define that as pocketable.
Exactly this. Calling it 'Pocket' doesn't automatically make it pocketable either.
Title: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vimagreg on January 09, 2017, 01:38:58 pm
Sorry but I can't understand. If the prototype is ready, if almost all suggestions made here will be ignored, if this device will be released independent of our opinions, if specs will be that previously determined and nothing will change that...

What the reason of this thread?

Just release the device on Indiegogo, and let it go. I really didn't understand why this thread... I thought our opinions and suggestions would be considered, but obviously it's not the case. So, release the gadget and move on.

Weird...

Cheers,


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Uhm, no, prototype can be made in a day with a 3d printer. you show the design you want using hte prototype. You get feedback. You make new prototype. Etc.

When the first prototypes for the win were made in may, it had an 8500, no fan, stereo speakers, a tiny non-copper heatsink, and a metal shell. When it came out, it had a 8700, a fan, a huge coppper heatsink, mono sound, and a plastic shell.

Prototype =! necessarily "we are  almost done".

Ok, I understand this. But, then, we ask for a better processor. It can't be done. We ask for 8GB RAM. Don't receive even a comment. We ask for a better keyboard layout. They make a new layout still far from good. We ask for more ports. Again no response. We ask for some design modifications. It can't be done...

Well, collecting background is ok, but so tell us what is being made with our opinions, because until now GPD presented a very early concept and refused to change it... Again, for me that doesn't make sense.

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Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 09, 2017, 01:59:32 pm
Just wanted to mention, when I said prototype I meant the general physical layout of the device's keyboard keys was probably set in stone. Despite that, I made another slight albeit unlikely mod:

(http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png)

1. Shrunk the Win key per zdanee's advice. :)
2. For declutter purposes, I removed the physical key on the bottom edge near right mouse click(as zdanee did), and moved Insert to Fn with Delete.

Something I'd personally like to add too is a micro sd slot if room permits.

I think the pictures we see now is a 6" screen, probably a working motherboard in the background out the picture frame and a 3D printed case, so I don't think it's final and beyond changing. But considering that, my latest advice:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZKGjqPR.jpg)

- Move the [:;] and ['"] next to each other.
- Add a second Fn key on the right side, since a lot of keys depend on Fn now
- PrtScn can be important in some cases, add as an Fn function to the top row
- Fn + Win is Menu
- Fn + R-Alt is R-Ctrl

Maybe a BIOS option to use the R-Fn as a R-Ctrl? Some IBM Thinkpads did that long ago.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 09, 2017, 05:01:46 pm
To me the "Volume +" key should have "Brightness +" as FN function and the same for "Volume -" / "Brightness -"

I would also put Caps lock besides Q and move the "A" row a bit more on the left so you could add a bigger "Back" key.
The volume keys serving dual purpose could happen. No objections here if needed, but I'm hesitant if GPD moved Caps Lock to the "Q" row which shifts that row to the right while simultaneously removing the standard QWERTY key staggering by pushing the "A" row directly underneath. As for backspace, sure a longer key like on full laptops would be great, but it's still decently sized(and directly above Enter which is fortunate for text entry). :)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 09, 2017, 05:22:54 pm

- Move the [:;] and ['"] next to each other.
- Add a second Fn key on the right side, since a lot of keys depend on Fn now
- PrtScn can be important in some cases, add as an Fn function to the top row
- Fn + Win is Menu
- Fn + R-Alt is R-Ctrl

Maybe a BIOS option to use the R-Fn as a R-Ctrl? Some IBM Thinkpads did that long ago.
I think Print Screen is useful in this day and age to a small group, but opinions do vary. Never required it for much of anything myself when shortcuts or programs are available. Insert is good for Excel and word processor users(?), but it can cause mayhem if accidentally activated, which is why I wouldn't want it as a primary key. Also wouldn't mind a dedicated Menu key(even if it does nearly the same thing as right mouse click) if there's capacity but we are severely lacking fillable positions.

Haven't checked the Table of Keyboard Shortcuts list lately for Windows but I'd assume a Fn R-Alt on R-Ctrl would be problematic.

I'm still partial to v1.1: http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png (http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png) but welcome to hear more reasoning from others. 
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Faust on January 09, 2017, 05:24:42 pm
To me the "Volume +" key should have "Brightness +" as FN function and the same for "Volume -" / "Brightness -"

I would also put Caps lock besides Q and move the "A" row a bit more on the left so you could add a bigger "Back" key.

You've right for the "Q" row, so what about moving from "backspace" to "Del" to the top, while putting "caps" besides "Q" instead ? We would keep the same space for the row. It would be easier to type if:
Cap|  Q  |
|  A  |  S  |  D  |

Since you don't type the same way on the numpad than the letter part (I can type blindly on the letter, not on the numbpad), the cap lock would be considered apart of the frequently typed area.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 09, 2017, 05:38:54 pm
You've right for the "Q" row, so what about moving from "backspace" to "Del" to the top, while putting "caps" besides "Q" instead ? We would keep the same space for the row. It would be easier to type if:
Cap|  Q  |
|  A  |  S  |  D  |

...
The thing about doing that is the "Q" row then moves right while the "A" row then sits to the left which disrupts the natural staggering of the three QWERTY rows. This additionally results in frequently pressed Backspace becoming a half key.  :-\
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 09, 2017, 05:57:01 pm

- Move the [:;] and ['"] next to each other.
- Add a second Fn key on the right side, since a lot of keys depend on Fn now
- PrtScn can be important in some cases, add as an Fn function to the top row
- Fn + Win is Menu
- Fn + R-Alt is R-Ctrl

Maybe a BIOS option to use the R-Fn as a R-Ctrl? Some IBM Thinkpads did that long ago.
I think Print Screen is useful in this day and age to a small group, but opinions do vary. Never required it for much of anything myself when shortcuts or programs are available. Insert is good for Excel and word processor users(?), but it can cause mayhem if accidentally activated, which is why I wouldn't want it as a primary key. Also wouldn't mind a dedicated Menu key(even if it does nearly the same thing as right mouse click) if there's capacity but we are severely lacking fillable positions.

Haven't checked the Table of Keyboard Shortcuts list lately for Windows but I'd assume a Fn R-Alt on R-Ctrl would be problematic.

I'm still partial to v1.1: http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png (http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png) but welcome to hear more reasoning from others.

You do raise a fair point with R-Ctrl, so I fiddled around a bit. Quick question: how many times do you use CapsLock a week? And out of that, how many is by accident? I think it's safe to make CapsLock a secondary function on Shift (like on a smartphone keyboard, together with Fn, or press twice fast, or something), and then the Tab can come down from the top row to a more natural place and [~] can also go back to it's original place.

(http://i.imgur.com/w4CRfTl.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: eragon2890 on January 09, 2017, 07:36:39 pm
Sorry but I can't understand. If the prototype is ready, if almost all suggestions made here will be ignored, if this device will be released independent of our opinions, if specs will be that previously determined and nothing will change that...

What the reason of this thread?

Just release the device on Indiegogo, and let it go. I really didn't understand why this thread... I thought our opinions and suggestions would be considered, but obviously it's not the case. So, release the gadget and move on.

Weird...

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Uhm, no, prototype can be made in a day with a 3d printer. you show the design you want using hte prototype. You get feedback. You make new prototype. Etc.

When the first prototypes for the win were made in may, it had an 8500, no fan, stereo speakers, a tiny non-copper heatsink, and a metal shell. When it came out, it had a 8700, a fan, a huge coppper heatsink, mono sound, and a plastic shell.

Prototype =! necessarily "we are  almost done".

Ok, I understand this. But, then, we ask for a better processor. It can't be done. We ask for 8GB RAM. Don't receive even a comment. We ask for a better keyboard layout. They make a new layout still far from good. We ask for more ports. Again no response. We ask for some design modifications. It can't be done...

Well, collecting background is ok, but so tell us what is being made with our opinions, because until now GPD presented a very early concept and refused to change it... Again, for me that doesn't make sense.

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I don't think this is totally fair either. Most big companies, they design something, and you have ZERO input on it.

This is what changed in the win based on user feedback:

- the cpu was upgraded from 8500 to 8700

- dual band (5.0 ghz) wifi was added

- the screen res was lowered from 1080p to 720p for better performance

- a fan was added

- an extra column of keys was added to the keyboard

- the shell was made metal (initially then back again)

- 3 different input modes for the controller

I followed the thread about the win from the very beginning and I seem to remember very clearly at least most if not all (I am 100% certain about the 8700 and 5.0 ghz wifi) were added upon being suggested here. Those are very significant points.

Most companies would annoucne something and not even show a prototype.

GPD has released teh 3d renders of the boards, prototype photos, pcb images, sells replacement parts separately for almost nothig, upgraded wifi, 30% faster soc, better keyboard bla bla at user suggestion AT NO EXTRA COST for people who joined early, and people are complaining " they never listen anyway " <- WTF? The fact they don't listen to "every" suggestion doesn't mean they aren't doing a 10000x times more with feedback then a company like apple ever would during the design phase!

Now they are a smnall company but even now they are clearly trying to respond to feedback in the firmware updates. They added mouse acceleration on popular request. They brought back the input latency from 50 ms to less then 10. etc etc. etc. etc. etc. They suggested a fix for driver crashes.

This is 100000000 times better support then most chinese companies, and even some western ones like archos, have ever offered. And most of those have at least a few hundred employees, not , like 10? Like GPD. (7-man team I believe according to the IGG...)

Hell some people wanted the win to be a dedicated umpc, now they are launching a whole producht based on that feedback... and offcourse people call it stupid.

Heck do you know why they luanched the XD last year? Well I read an interview on here from 2013 or 2014 (back when they released the g5a) where the interviewer asked if they would ever make a 3ds like clamshell because they would like it and others said so to... they said they would think about it and TA-DA the XD was born.

So... I would say for a 7-man barn they sure as heck do listen to feedback!
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 09, 2017, 10:36:12 pm
You do raise a fair point with R-Ctrl, so I fiddled around a bit. Quick question: how many times do you use CapsLock a week? And out of that, how many is by accident? I think it's safe to make CapsLock a secondary function on Shift (like on a smartphone keyboard, together with Fn, or press twice fast, or something), and then the Tab can come down from the top row to a more natural place and [~] can also go back to it's original place.
Well, I think when you move something you have to borrow from something else in such a diminutive setup. I don't think Tilde is high on the priority list to have it in it's proper place by shrinking Tab, and I do press the Caps Lock key occasionally. If we make Caps a Fn + Left Shift this can be a headache for people since we have only one Fn key(making it a lock key or having to hold Fn with Shift just to get around all this for the sake of change seems extreme when it works fine already as it is).

There are tradeoffs with any layout proposal but we must strive to get most of the basics correct which I believe we've done:
(http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: ohno on January 10, 2017, 01:29:32 am
Needs at least 2 x USB-A 3.0

If not part of base model, please include as a perk for 8gb RAM - I'd pay the extra for this option.

Look forward to the indiegogo link.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 10, 2017, 04:39:18 am
Some more info/pics about the GPD Pocket has been posted on the Chinese forum.

Here is a comparison between the GPD Pocket, Surface 3, Macbook Air

It appears the dimensions of the GPD Pocket are 180mm x 106mm x 23.3mm. The GPD WIN is 155mm x 95mm. So the GPD Pocket is 25mm wider and 11mm deeper than the GPD WIN

If some one can read chinese , I'm curious to know the  difference between the $399 and $599 prices quoted for the GPD Pocket. 

I should note that the Surface 3 can be bought from Walmart for $450 (128GB edition) - keyboard covers for it can be bought for $30 - so $480 in total ( https://www.walmart.com/ip/Microsoft-Surface-3-10.8-Tablet-128GB-Windows-10/46258896). But I guess the chart below is RRPs

(http://i.imgur.com/rw5gs4D.png)

Side view showing Fan outlet

(http://i.imgur.com/ubGBnyM.jpg)


Top view showing fan and brass? (translation says brass, but it looks like copper)  heat transfer to heat sink:


(http://i.imgur.com/KTctjoF.jpg)




Hmm, wheres the uSD slot.  Kendy, can you confirm if it has a uSD slot or not?






Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 10, 2017, 05:42:11 am
GPD is a great many things, slow is not one of them.
Take with a grain of salt but here.
(http://i.imgur.com/dPnixDj.jpg)
Win's IGG price originally started at $300 and the MSRP is listed at $500 right?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 10, 2017, 05:45:42 am
Looks like the price of the GPD Pocket on Indiegogo will be $399 and the claimed RRP wil be $599  . 

So yeah, the same sort of deal as when they listed the WIN on Indiegogo for $299 but the claimed RRP was $499.  So basically the GPD Pocket looks like it will be $100 more
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 10, 2017, 06:01:36 am
At this point what would stop GPD from using Kickstarter this time?
Unlike the Win they have a working prototype right now.
PGS managed to get their idea on Kickstarter so it seems there would be some way for GPD to do the same.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 10, 2017, 06:09:22 am
At this point what would stop GPD from using Kickstarter this time?
Unlike the Win they have a working prototype right now.
PGS managed to get their idea on Kickstarter so it seems there would be some way for GPD to do the same.

Kickstarter requires that you have a company registered in one of the countries it operates from .  China is not one of them. Although a number of projects have circumnavigated this by using someone they know that has a US registered company  - Argh, just like the Icontrolpad 2 Kickstarter which I backed regrettably. PGS did the same

Kickstarter Countries US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Denmark, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, and Luxembourg
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 10, 2017, 06:27:41 am
Could've sworn Kickstarter accepts projects from Hong Kong as well and GPD has a subsidiary Hong Kong store alongside their flagship store on Aliexpress but I may be mixing something up here.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 10, 2017, 07:00:21 am
Looks like they are aiming for a February 4th Indiegogo campaign according to this thread http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4933978951?pn=2

EDIT:  Here's a shot with all the ports.  There is no uSD slot. The reason given is that they feel the 128GB storage is plenty.  I beg to differ.  That's a big mistake IMO.
I would have gone for a full sized SD slot. SD cards have higher capacity and are cheaper than uSD cards.

(http://i.imgur.com/iPVWqsI.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Deen0X on January 10, 2017, 08:14:21 am
removing the SD Card is a BIG MISTAKE

this is a must have, plus adding another full size USB port (or two) on the other side
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 10, 2017, 08:29:03 am
removing the SD Card is a BIG MISTAKE

this is a must have, plus adding another full size USB port (or two) on the other side


Yes I agree, it needs another full sized USB port.  I can see people also carrying s mouse to use with the Pocket which they would plug into the USB A port.  Which would mean the Pocket would have no SD slot, no full size USB slot free. Just the USB C.   Pretty useless.   

I would strongly recommend that GPD rethink the ports and add a (full sized preferrably) SD slot and another USB A port

I would also suggest the keyboard keys be backlit
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: bchliu on January 10, 2017, 08:45:33 am
GPD's are basically rehashing the old SONY range (a good thing actually) with these.

The GPD Win is basically the modern version of the Sony U series (specifically the U101)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_U-series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Pq71hDONE

This new 7" is the modern version of the Sony C1 series
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_C1_series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyh1bHcVwkA

I had both of these handhelds and they were definitely one of my favourites, but very underpowered with the Transmeta Processor or the bottom end Celeron.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: wade on January 10, 2017, 10:03:06 am
removing the SD Card is a BIG MISTAKE

this is a must have, plus adding another full size USB port (or two) on the other side
:'(
PCBA does not have enough area to place the TF card slot
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 10, 2017, 10:19:18 am
removing the SD Card is a BIG MISTAKE

this is a must have, plus adding another full size USB port (or two) on the other side
:'(
PCBA does not have enough area to place the TF card slot

I find this very hard to believe.  This is a device that is larger than the WIN, yet cannot fit as many ports on it's PCB?

I think you are making a big mistake  not including a SD (or uSD) slot. And this is coming from a big UMPC fan .

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: wade on January 10, 2017, 10:23:46 am
removing the SD Card is a BIG MISTAKE

this is a must have, plus adding another full size USB port (or two) on the other side
:'(
PCBA does not have enough area to place the TF card slot

I find this very hard to believe.  This is a device that is larger than the WIN, yet cannot fit as many ports on it's PCB?

I think you are making a big mistake but not including a SD (or uSD) slot. And this is coming from a big UMPC fan .

Pocket PCBA area size is smaller
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: wade on January 10, 2017, 10:25:26 am
Updated keyboard design
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 10, 2017, 10:36:00 am
removing the SD Card is a BIG MISTAKE

this is a must have, plus adding another full size USB port (or two) on the other side
:'(
PCBA does not have enough area to place the TF card slot

I find this very hard to believe.  This is a device that is larger than the WIN, yet cannot fit as many ports on it's PCB?

I think you are making a big mistake but not including a SD (or uSD) slot. And this is coming from a big UMPC fan .

Pocket PCBA area size is smaller

Have the SD slot and second USB A slot on the other side of the GPD Pocket connected to the main PCB by thin cable.  Or even extend the PCB  along the back or to the front and have the extra SD and USBA slots at the front or back .  There are many solutions to this. Not sure why you are so hesitant to do it.   As I said, it would be a big mistake not to include it.  Is it really worth the lost sales by not including it - your choice

Also, will the GPD Pocket have a backlit keyboard?

(http://i.imgur.com/KTctjoF.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Jutleys on January 10, 2017, 11:51:07 am
Its meant to have a micro sd card slot?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 10, 2017, 03:58:21 pm
I've had tablets that had the micro-sd slot on a small pcb connected via ribbon cable and installed on an edge where there was a small space available.
There has to be somewhere a sd card reader could be put.
When it comes to storage me along with many others would rather expand it with an internal sd card instead of a flash drive.

Looks like there is more info about what the keyboard will be like.
Quote
In addition, we use the keyboard is the highest award in 2009, the German red dot chocolate keyboard.
The first application of the chocolate keyboard is Sony, but not universal. Later, the apple phase, for Apple notebook, this is known. Pocket with a chocolate keyboard: flat island keyboard, that is, the following this. This keyboard is ideal for women delicate fingers.
Translated from Chinese but yes the chocolate keyboard portion is correct.
http://www.v4keyboard.com/an-unoffical-definition-of-chocolate-keyboard-1190.html
http://event.asus.com/digitrend/39html/design-093901.htm
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Asus original "chocolate keyboard" not only enhance the ergonomic comfort of the keyboard, the appearance is more concise and neat, and provides more spacious typing space. By expanding the finger contact area to make the input more fluent and smooth, and close the gap between the keys to avoid the accumulation of dust and dirt. Character keys and function keys to distinguish clearly, can effectively improve the accuracy of the input. The natural curvature of the keys on the "Chocolate Keyboard" makes it easier for the fingers to position correctly and make the typing even more comfortable. Built-in "hotkey" function, a key can immediately trigger the default function.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 10, 2017, 04:35:25 pm
Updated keyboard design

Looks good.  :)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: PowerLion1 on January 10, 2017, 08:51:26 pm
I like the idea of having all the ports on one side.  If it's designed to be a portable PC but also be used as a desktop then all the ports on one side makes it more appealing for vertical station docks like Henge Docks.

(http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/06/henge-vertical-dock-005-100592445-large970.idge.jpg)

However, NO MicroSD slot!?  Well, I guess you could use one of those super small USB miscroSD adapters, but for those ones, they are USB 2.0 the small USB 3.0 stick out too far.

Nice design, but I don't think it will catch on as much as the Win.  It's a very niche market.  And as a person with a business management degree, this is a big risk for a small company that I don't think will pay off.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 11, 2017, 09:30:52 pm
Well at least the keyboard layout is good now. 

I hope GPD adds a SD slot and extra USB A port though
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: dared on January 11, 2017, 11:04:32 pm
Really the form factor is GOOD!!

They should make a GPD WIN V2 with the same form factor.

There's enough space inside to dissipate heat, so they could use a Z8750 GPU and 8Gb of RAM...

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: dritwick93 on January 12, 2017, 07:03:30 am
Hey Wade, I am totally drooling over GPD Pocket.

 The only thing pulling me back is 4GB of ram. Please upgrade it to 8GB, it will make the device much more future proof and best for multi tasking on the go.  Also it will arguably make it better or put in neck to neck with any other handheld in the market such as pyra, smach z, pgs, etc.

8GB of ram is much needed. I am pretty sure everyone else agrees with me here.

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Title: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: mr.white on January 12, 2017, 09:16:55 am
Well at least the keyboard layout is good now. 

I hope GPD adds a SD slot and extra USB A port though

Agree with that, it would make the device much more flexible. I know there is limited shell space and also the battery needs his place. Maybe the 8GB RAM can be done as a stretchgoal, if there is such a thing on indigogo?
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 12, 2017, 09:55:06 am
Well at least the keyboard layout is good now. 

I hope GPD adds a SD slot and extra USB A port though

Agree with that, it would make the device much more flexible. I know there is limited shell space and also the battery needs his place. Maybe the 8GB RAM can be done as a stretchgoal, if there is such a thing on indigogo?

Well, there is two unpopulated RAM space on the motherboard, so either this is a demo board with 2GB or the 8GB has been planned from the beginning and only needs to be populated (maybe for a 'pro' version?).

(http://i.imgur.com/KTctjoF.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 12, 2017, 02:20:55 pm
Although finished, here's an unofficial change to the keyboard layout for ancillary functionality:

(http://i.imgur.com/q2aDTp8.png)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Kilrah on January 12, 2017, 03:32:16 pm
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop.
Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket.
It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,
with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design
I am an UMPC fan and indeed interested in anything in that class, but the Pocket is really too big and NOT realisticallly pocketable unlike the Win that I do regularly carry in my pocket. It's not in the "handheld with thumb typing" class anymore.
That with the lack of microSD slot kills it for me. It does look good, but is not practical.

If you however made a Win with the improvements I posted earlier (narrow frame to fit a 6" screen in the Win's size, full-width keyboard with the location of the special keys adjusted, keep all existing ports and gaming controls, improved robustness and fix the bugs such as sleep crash) I would order right now and even pay twice as much as for the Win.

On the "Pocket" subject, consider putting the mouse nub further up by about 5-7cm (don't know between which row of keys that would mean on that keyboard) like on every other device that uses one, the idea is that you can press the buttons with your thumb while leaving your index on the nub. The current design would be painful and slow to use by having to constantly lift your index off to press the buttons.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 12, 2017, 08:09:24 pm
I am an UMPC fan and indeed interested in anything in that class, but the Pocket is really too big and NOT realisticallly pocketable unlike the Win that I do regularly carry in my pocket. It's not in the "handheld with thumb typing" class anymore.
That with the lack of microSD slot kills it for me. It does look good, but is not practical.
...
On the "Pocket" subject, consider putting the mouse nub further up by about 5-7cm (don't know between which row of keys that would mean on that keyboard) like on every other device that uses one, the idea is that you can press the buttons with your thumb while leaving your index on the nub. The current design would be painful and slow to use by having to constantly lift your index off to press the buttons.
The problem with moving the mouse pointer upwards is that it clearly would decrease the size of the keys displaced. Yes, it most certainly is an unfortunate tradeoff to have it at the bottom serving dual-purpose as a fan inlet, but realistically everything everyone wants cannot be done optimally within these dimensions. It may not be the speediest setup outside of an external Mouse, but in a pinch it will do the job.

As for the naming issue "Compact", while apropos, lacks a certain marketable impact and "Air" was already taken. :)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: cmvrgr on January 13, 2017, 12:57:42 am
Super. I already bought a GPD WIN. That 7" screen mini laptop with a better CPU (not ATOM) will be super. It will cover both Gamers that need a bigger screen (cause many games with text are unplayable in 5.5?) and UMPC users.

I am using my GPD Win as a UMPC with heavy apps and secondary as a gaming device.

I would prefer:

- Intel CoreM (with colling system like in gpd win) (i5 would be fantastic)
- 8 GB RAM
- 128 and 256 GB emc or SSD options
- Integrated LTE modem (global version with bands 3/7/20)
- Micro SD slot
- 2 usb ports
- Micro Hdmi port


A dedicated GPU (I know that is very hard for a super small space with that thermal envelop).

A fantastic device would be to compress an 13.3? ultra book with discrite graphics in a 7?-8? chassis.  That would be the best all over ulta portable gaming and UMPC device ever.

 I have faith in you like you did in GPD WIN and you will fix the specs to a better cpu and other specs.

Hope that you will make one soon. You will get my support for a second time.
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Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 13, 2017, 02:32:34 am
Super. I already bought a GPD WIN. That 7" screen mini laptop with a better CPU (not ATOM) will be super. It will cover both Gamers that need a bigger screen (cause many games with text are unplayable in 5.5?) and UMPC users.

I am using my GPD Win as a UMPC with heavy apps and secondary as a gaming device.

I would prefer:

- Intel CoreM (with colling system like in gpd win) (i5 would be fantastic)
- 8 GB RAM
- 128 and 256 GB emc or SSD options
- Integrated LTE modem (global version with bands 3/7/20)
- Micro SD slot
- 2 usb ports
- Micro Hdmi port


A dedicated GPU (I know that is very hard for a super small space with that thermal envelop).

A fantastic device would be to compress an 13.3? ultra book with discrite graphics in a 7?-8? chassis.  That would be the best all over ulta portable gaming and UMPC device ever.

 I have faith in you like you did in GPD WIN and you will fix the specs to a better cpu and other specs.

Hope that you will make one soon. You will get my support for a second time.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but
- Core M is ~$300, Z8700 is $37. With a Core M CPU, the system would cost way more.
- Core M also needs a 12V power supply. You wouldn't be able to charge the device from USB or from a mobile powerbank
- 8 GB RAM is possible, in fact the prototype motherboard has two unpopulated RAM slots.
- SSD, LTE -> there is no space for that in there. Maybe on the cost of a smaller Battery.
- dedicated GPU -> nope. First and foremost: it's pretty much impossible, there is simply no space. A dedicated GPU needs 12V, has a much higher TDP than the CPU and the screen combined, so we are talking about massive battery drain here. There is no place for the extra heat to go: a 4.5W Atom CPU generates so much heat, that it get's uncomfortable to touch. A dedicated GPU would literally melt the components there. And for what? A high-end GPU needs ~50-60W, this means minutes of use before the whole thing becomes red-hot, and the battery drains - or explodes. A low-end dedicated mobile GPU needs less, but it's not significantly faster, than the integrated graphics. So, no, no dedicated GPU. You can't fuck with the laws of thermodynamics.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Jutleys on January 13, 2017, 10:04:47 am
If it dont have 8gb ram i would pass and stick to my smartphone oneplus 3T 6gb ram.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: CampGareth on January 13, 2017, 10:54:19 am
I am an UMPC fan and indeed interested in anything in that class, but the Pocket is really too big and NOT realisticallly pocketable unlike the Win that I do regularly carry in my pocket. It's not in the "handheld with thumb typing" class anymore.
That with the lack of microSD slot kills it for me. It does look good, but is not practical.
...
On the "Pocket" subject, consider putting the mouse nub further up by about 5-7cm (don't know between which row of keys that would mean on that keyboard) like on every other device that uses one, the idea is that you can press the buttons with your thumb while leaving your index on the nub. The current design would be painful and slow to use by having to constantly lift your index off to press the buttons.
The problem with moving the mouse pointer upwards is that it clearly would decrease the size of the keys displaced. Yes, it most certainly is an unfortunate tradeoff to have it at the bottom serving dual-purpose as a fan inlet, but realistically everything everyone wants cannot be done optimally within these dimensions. It may not be the speediest setup outside of an external Mouse, but in a pinch it will do the job.

As for the naming issue "Compact", while apropos, lacks a certain marketable impact and "Air" was already taken. :)

On a thinkpad it doesn't decrease the key size by much. Instead of shrinking the keys around the trackpoint they just made dips in the keys so you could use it without pressing them, here's a picture:

(http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/lenovo_thinkpad_x100e_in03_trackpoint_01.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: CampGareth on January 13, 2017, 11:08:43 am
Super. I already bought a GPD WIN. That 7" screen mini laptop with a better CPU (not ATOM) will be super. It will cover both Gamers that need a bigger screen (cause many games with text are unplayable in 5.5?) and UMPC users.

I am using my GPD Win as a UMPC with heavy apps and secondary as a gaming device.

I would prefer:

- Intel CoreM (with colling system like in gpd win) (i5 would be fantastic)
- 8 GB RAM
- 128 and 256 GB emc or SSD options
- Integrated LTE modem (global version with bands 3/7/20)
- Micro SD slot
- 2 usb ports
- Micro Hdmi port


A dedicated GPU (I know that is very hard for a super small space with that thermal envelop).

A fantastic device would be to compress an 13.3? ultra book with discrite graphics in a 7?-8? chassis.  That would be the best all over ulta portable gaming and UMPC device ever.

 I have faith in you like you did in GPD WIN and you will fix the specs to a better cpu and other specs.

Hope that you will make one soon. You will get my support for a second time.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but
- Core M is ~$300, Z8700 is $37. With a Core M CPU, the system would cost way more.
- Core M also needs a 12V power supply. You wouldn't be able to charge the device from USB or from a mobile powerbank
- 8 GB RAM is possible, in fact the prototype motherboard has two unpopulated RAM slots.
- SSD, LTE -> there is no space for that in there. Maybe on the cost of a smaller Battery.
- dedicated GPU -> nope. First and foremost: it's pretty much impossible, there is simply no space. A dedicated GPU needs 12V, has a much higher TDP than the CPU and the screen combined, so we are talking about massive battery drain here. There is no place for the extra heat to go: a 4.5W Atom CPU generates so much heat, that it get's uncomfortable to touch. A dedicated GPU would literally melt the components there. And for what? A high-end GPU needs ~50-60W, this means minutes of use before the whole thing becomes red-hot, and the battery drains - or explodes. A low-end dedicated mobile GPU needs less, but it's not significantly faster, than the integrated graphics. So, no, no dedicated GPU. You can't fuck with the laws of thermodynamics.

Shame about the core-M pricing since without it there can be no thunderbolt 3. 12V isn't a problem though, take the macbook 12 or whatever we're calling it, core M processor, 7.55V battery, can charge off 5V from a phone charger. How? Voltage buck and boost converters, seriously they're super common because damn near everything smarter than a microwave runs off 3.3V, 5V or 12V and batteries supply nothing like these voltages. Thanks Chemistry! *shakes fist*

I still think a core M would be best though, UMPCs were never cheap as they needed top binned processors (maximum performance + minimum voltage -> expensive) so $300 is nothing compared to say the sony viao P which started at $900 and went up from there to $1500. Plus a core-M limited to 3.5W would likely still outperform an atom while drawing less power (atom ~ 6W), heck we could get passive cooling using the case as a heatsink. For reference the macbook 12 used the case as a heatsink and it got hot, 40C maximum case temperature (hot but not burning) however it has a core-M with a long turbo limit of 15W. Sure our case is smaller but at 3.5W it's so much less heat to dissipate.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: ArchiMark on January 13, 2017, 11:10:23 am
Overall, I like concept of the Pocket as I don't need gaming controls. Would like a good UMPC.

I do agree with many comments to improve this concept design.

Would want:

Good keyboard design!

Red trackpoint is OK, but good placement is important

MicroSD would be good, SD card even better if possible

Linux option along with Win 10

Size proposed is good for me. If it got much larger, then can just use my Lenovo Flex 10 Or Fujitsu U/G90 (UH900)

4GB RAM is OK, but 8GH otion would be nice

2 full-size USB ports!


Hope GPD can make this device and do a good design and quality product.

Thanks.

Mark



Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 13, 2017, 01:55:34 pm
On a thinkpad it doesn't decrease the key size by much. Instead of shrinking the keys around the trackpoint they just made dips in the keys so you could use it without pressing them, here's a picture:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/lenovo_thinkpad_x100e_in03_trackpoint_01.jpg (http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/lenovo_thinkpad_x100e_in03_trackpoint_01.jpg)
True, but the keys are differently shaped(longer horizontally) though to allow a little more diminishment:
http://www.ithacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Thinkpad_Yoga_MacBook_Pro_Top.jpg (http://www.ithacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Thinkpad_Yoga_MacBook_Pro_Top.jpg)

Besides that, if they did move the pointer higher, it would be off center with the mouse buttons no matter which three keys chosen. This isn't terrible but it would look off to do as you and others wish(and no the keyboard keys being displaced a tad to compensate isn't the credible solution). For myself though I've used a mouse pointer before many times and no matter where it's put, it never was an ergonomic experience wishing to be revisited when external mice are so readily procurable.

As a side note too, more than a few years ago the discontinued Raon Everun umpc(and portable heater) had a neat optical mouse built into it's face that I thought was tiny and effective. No chance it could be acquired today but it was superior to the available examples for this welterweight category.  ;)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: ArchiMark on January 13, 2017, 02:21:09 pm

[SNIP...]

As a side note too, more than a few years ago the discontinued Raon Everun umpc(and portable heater) had a neat optical mouse built into it's face that I thought was tiny and effective. No chance it could be acquired today but it was superior to the available examples for this welterweight category.  ;)

The little Viliv N5 had a nice optical mouse too......worked well I thought.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on January 13, 2017, 02:56:15 pm
...
The little Viliv N5 had a nice optical mouse too......worked well I thought.

I like how it harmonizes with the case's black color.  :)

https://gigaom.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2010/06/cimg2532.jpg (https://gigaom.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2010/06/cimg2532.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: monstercameron on January 14, 2017, 07:10:26 pm
Super. I already bought a GPD WIN. That 7" screen mini laptop with a better CPU (not ATOM) will be super. It will cover both Gamers that need a bigger screen (cause many games with text are unplayable in 5.5?) and UMPC users.

I am using my GPD Win as a UMPC with heavy apps and secondary as a gaming device.

I would prefer:

- Intel CoreM (with colling system like in gpd win) (i5 would be fantastic)
- 8 GB RAM
- 128 and 256 GB emc or SSD options
- Integrated LTE modem (global version with bands 3/7/20)
- Micro SD slot
- 2 usb ports
- Micro Hdmi port


A dedicated GPU (I know that is very hard for a super small space with that thermal envelop).

A fantastic device would be to compress an 13.3? ultra book with discrite graphics in a 7?-8? chassis.  That would be the best all over ulta portable gaming and UMPC device ever.

 I have faith in you like you did in GPD WIN and you will fix the specs to a better cpu and other specs.

Hope that you will make one soon. You will get my support for a second time.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but
- Core M is ~$300, Z8700 is $37. With a Core M CPU, the system would cost way more.
- Core M also needs a 12V power supply. You wouldn't be able to charge the device from USB or from a mobile powerbank
- 8 GB RAM is possible, in fact the prototype motherboard has two unpopulated RAM slots.
- SSD, LTE -> there is no space for that in there. Maybe on the cost of a smaller Battery.
- dedicated GPU -> nope. First and foremost: it's pretty much impossible, there is simply no space. A dedicated GPU needs 12V, has a much higher TDP than the CPU and the screen combined, so we are talking about massive battery drain here. There is no place for the extra heat to go: a 4.5W Atom CPU generates so much heat, that it get's uncomfortable to touch. A dedicated GPU would literally melt the components there. And for what? A high-end GPU needs ~50-60W, this means minutes of use before the whole thing becomes red-hot, and the battery drains - or explodes. A low-end dedicated mobile GPU needs less, but it's not significantly faster, than the integrated graphics. So, no, no dedicated GPU. You can't fuck with the laws of thermodynamics.

I seriously doubt the 12v point about core m and appollolake atoms. not only have i seen plenty of top brand and chinese brands with core m at $3-400, I have also seen them use usb c for charging. Not sure where you are getting your facts from.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 14, 2017, 09:20:24 pm


I seriously doubt the 12v point about core m and appollolake atoms. not only have i seen plenty of top brand and chinese brands with core m at $3-400, I have also seen them use usb c for charging. Not sure where you are getting your facts from.
I've yet to see a single Core M tablet that can charge with 5v.
The entire line of Cube i7 tablets with core M cpu's have a 12v input and IIRC all the Dell, Asus and HP devices that use core M cpu's use 19v.

For the tablets in the $300 region a lot are using chips that Intel no longer sells which I imagine means there are quite a bit of them floating around in supplier channels for cheap but several use the m3-6Y30 which is still available as far as I know with a $280 price each for a tray of 1000 so I dunno how they are managing those prices admittedly but the Z8700 is still a lot cheaper than the Core M especially since they are already ordering large amounts of them for the Win.

And this isn't a average full size tablet which is somewhat simpler to design and cheaper to make but a small laptop which I think has a magnesium chassis with a aluminum body, active cooling with a copper heatsink and a much smaller and more compact pcb and all of it will be more expensive to make compared to a tablet.
Given I have no idea what price they are getting the Core M's theres no real way anyone can say for sure without access to suppliers but you'd probably be tacking on at least another $100 to the final price.
Plus I'm fairly sure those the companies selling those tablets in the $300-400 region are operating on razor thin profit margins and GPD more prefers to operate in niche markets with higher margins than them so they never will be as cheap as those.
And the higher the cost the smaller the market and for a IGG campaign a Z8700 at $400 will attract much more interest than a core M at >$500.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 14, 2017, 10:39:28 pm
Apollo Lake would be more of an alternative to me.  There are already Apollo Lake tablets on the market that use this $107 chip https://ark.intel.com/products/95596/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3450-2M-Cache-up-to-2_2-GHz
or even https://ark.intel.com/products/95592/Intel-Pentium-Processor-N4200-2M-Cache-up-to-2_5-GHz

Case in point: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-A1-Laptop---Gold-374446.html
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-V3-Pentium-Version-4G-4GB-128GB--Gray-375691.html
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Kilrah on January 15, 2017, 08:50:29 am
I've yet to see a single Core M tablet that can charge with 5v.
Macbooks.

The voltage argument doesn't stand at all, you can convert anything into anything very easily.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 15, 2017, 03:05:08 pm
Apollo Lake would be more of an alternative to me.  There are already Apollo Lake tablets on the market that use this $107 chip https://ark.intel.com/products/95596/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3450-2M-Cache-up-to-2_2-GHz
or even https://ark.intel.com/products/95592/Intel-Pentium-Processor-N4200-2M-Cache-up-to-2_5-GHz

Case in point: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-A1-Laptop---Gold-374446.html
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-V3-Pentium-Version-4G-4GB-128GB--Gray-375691.html

CPUPassmarkTDPPriceValue (Performance/Price*TDP)
Celeron N345019976W$1073.11
Pentium N420020996W$1612.18
Atom Z870019314W$3713.04
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 15, 2017, 08:59:58 pm
Apollo Lake would be more of an alternative to me.  There are already Apollo Lake tablets on the market that use this $107 chip https://ark.intel.com/products/95596/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3450-2M-Cache-up-to-2_2-GHz
or even https://ark.intel.com/products/95592/Intel-Pentium-Processor-N4200-2M-Cache-up-to-2_5-GHz

Case in point: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-A1-Laptop---Gold-374446.html
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-V3-Pentium-Version-4G-4GB-128GB--Gray-375691.html

CPUPassmarkTDPPriceValue (Performance/Price*TDP)
Celeron N345019976W$1073.11
Pentium N420020996W$1612.18
Atom Z870019314W$3713.04

If that's the only power difference, then yeah, it's not worth it for the cost 
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: PityOnU on January 16, 2017, 01:54:50 am
This is definitely a device I would buy - the design seems nice, and the form factor is small yet functional enough to make it a portable hacking rig.

I see many people in this thread asking for microSD or SD card slots, and many others shooting them down for various reasons. Whether or not the provided reasons have merit, the main takeaway really is that people want to be able to adjust the storage capacity as they see fit. Any way to maybe even have some internal slot (directly on the PCB somewhere) which would allow for this? An m.2 slot? mSATA? A tiny little microSD tray? That would probably be enough to make most people happy.

Regarding suggestions to improve the product, my main concern is not the hardware, but the software support from GPD. For the Win, it seemed like drivers were very buggy, and were not made available to users via any sort of professional channels (no dedicated website, no .cab driver packs, etc.). If I'm going to spend $400 (minimum) on this, I expect that the device works 100% properly without having to do things like hack the BIOS, load unsigned drivers, etc. And please, just focus on ONE operating system (Android -or- Linux -or- Windows) and make it work well. Chinese companies seem to have a habit of spreading themselves too thin when it comes to support software, which cripples otherwise fantastic products.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: monstercameron on January 16, 2017, 01:58:50 am
Apollo Lake would be more of an alternative to me.  There are already Apollo Lake tablets on the market that use this $107 chip https://ark.intel.com/products/95596/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3450-2M-Cache-up-to-2_2-GHz
or even https://ark.intel.com/products/95592/Intel-Pentium-Processor-N4200-2M-Cache-up-to-2_5-GHz

Case in point: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-A1-Laptop---Gold-374446.html
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-V3-Pentium-Version-4G-4GB-128GB--Gray-375691.html

CPUPassmarkTDPPriceValue (Performance/Price*TDP)
Celeron N345019976W$1073.11
Pentium N420020996W$1612.18
Atom Z870019314W$3713.04

If that's the only power difference, then yeah, it's not worth it for the cost

hmm, dont know that this guys agenda is but check here
~50% more cpu perf
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/1401166?baseline=1363869


https://ark.intel.com/compare/85475,95592
note ddr4, pcie lanes for m.2 storage and network adapters, hevc and vp9 codecs

also note that the prices are subject to fluctuations
Quote
Recommended Customer Price (RCP) is pricing guidance only for Intel products. Prices are for direct Intel customers, typically represent 1,000-unit purchase quantities, and are subject to change without notice. Prices may vary for other package types and shipment quantities. If sold in bulk, price represents individual unit. Listing of RCP does not constitute a formal pricing offer from Intel.

so, there is no argument here apollolake is far superior.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 16, 2017, 02:52:35 am
Form the Geekbuying thread -> http://www.geekbuying.com/item/GPD-Pocket-7-Inch-Tablet-PC-Intel-Atom-X7-Z8700-4GB-128GB-375711.html

$499 hmm, if that's what the retail price ends up at, I don't know , what do others think. That is $668 Australian dollars.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: AVahne on January 16, 2017, 03:32:42 am
The new keyboard  design looks much better! Not too interested in getting another 7 inch UMPC (I have my Q1UP, though this is much smaller), but I do have to say that two USB-As and a full sized SD or uSD card slot is pretty much required for this to be a really good UMPC. I kinda retract my earlier comment of dismissing this as simply as mini netbook as I do still regard the Samsung Q1 series and the HTC Shift as UMPCs.
Still, price is higher than the Win, which has the same processor and is more useful to me (whenever I finally get one; gonna get a refund from DinoDirect and buy one from Aliexpress after Chinese New Year or during if they have a sale)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Gin2168 on January 16, 2017, 03:36:46 am
Form the Geekbuying thread -> http://www.geekbuying.com/item/GPD-Pocket-7-Inch-Tablet-PC-Intel-Atom-X7-Z8700-4GB-128GB-375711.html

$499 hmm, if that's what the retail price ends up at, I don't know , what do others think. That is $668 Australian dollars.

Truthfully I don't understand the appeal. It has no expandable storage, a qwerty keyboard that is only just now shaping up thanks to several revisions and suggestions, a company that still hasn't made things right for many GPD Win users and a $500 price tag =\.

Meanwhile I could easily run down to Bestbuy, go on Amazon, etc... Pick up a 10inch windows tablet with keyboard with a MicroSD card slot, return and warranty policy that actually mean something and get it from a notable branded company. Did I mention I could do this for anywhere from $300 and up? Hell, with a device as limited as this in processing and graphics power, I could just get a Chromebook =\.

As someone who has done the 7inch tablet and keyboard thing... I just didn't find it very productive or fun to use. Hell even the 10inch Z3750 tablet I have can be a major pain to do anything that requires typing. The Surface Pro 2 that I have is slightly better but again... none of this beats a real laptop and for $500 you can usually find an Asus laptop with a dedicated graphics card. Sure some might scoff at Asus, but I'd take an Asus warranty over a GPD Warranty at this point.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: PityOnU on January 16, 2017, 03:53:18 am
Form the Geekbuying thread -> http://www.geekbuying.com/item/GPD-Pocket-7-Inch-Tablet-PC-Intel-Atom-X7-Z8700-4GB-128GB-375711.html

$499 hmm, if that's what the retail price ends up at, I don't know , what do others think. That is $668 Australian dollars.


Truthfully I don't understand the appeal. It has no expandable storage, a qwerty keyboard that is only just now shaping up thanks to several revisions and suggestions, a company that still hasn't made things right for many GPD Win users and a $500 price tag =\.

Meanwhile I could easily run down to Bestbuy, go on Amazon, etc... Pick up a 10inch windows tablet with keyboard with a MicroSD card slot, return and warranty policy that actually mean something and get it from a notable branded company. Did I mention I could do this for anywhere from $300 and up? Hell, with a device as limited as this in processing and graphics power, I could just get a Chromebook =\.

As someone who has done the 7inch tablet and keyboard thing... I just didn't find it very productive or fun to use. Hell even the 10inch Z3750 tablet I have can be a major pain to do anything that requires typing. The Surface Pro 2 that I have is slightly better but again... none of this beats a real laptop and for $500 you can usually find an Asus laptop with a dedicated graphics card. Sure some might scoff at Asus, but I'd take an Asus warranty over a GPD Warranty at this point.

This is my main concern. This would basically be a toy for me, but for $400-$500 it's a toy that I will expect to be reliable. From a company whose last product was anything but...

It's a tough sell simply from lack of (in my case) consumer confidence.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 16, 2017, 10:50:27 am
Apollo Lake would be more of an alternative to me.  There are already Apollo Lake tablets on the market that use this $107 chip https://ark.intel.com/products/95596/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3450-2M-Cache-up-to-2_2-GHz
or even https://ark.intel.com/products/95592/Intel-Pentium-Processor-N4200-2M-Cache-up-to-2_5-GHz

Case in point: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-A1-Laptop---Gold-374446.html
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-V3-Pentium-Version-4G-4GB-128GB--Gray-375691.html

CPUPassmarkTDPPriceValue (Performance/Price*TDP)
Celeron N345019976W$1073.11
Pentium N420020996W$1612.18
Atom Z870019314W$3713.04

If that's the only power difference, then yeah, it's not worth it for the cost

hmm, dont know that this guys agenda is but check here
~50% more cpu perf
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/1401166?baseline=1363869


https://ark.intel.com/compare/85475,95592
note ddr4, pcie lanes for m.2 storage and network adapters, hevc and vp9 codecs

also note that the prices are subject to fluctuations
Quote
Recommended Customer Price (RCP) is pricing guidance only for Intel products. Prices are for direct Intel customers, typically represent 1,000-unit purchase quantities, and are subject to change without notice. Prices may vary for other package types and shipment quantities. If sold in bulk, price represents individual unit. Listing of RCP does not constitute a formal pricing offer from Intel.

so, there is no argument here apollolake is far superior.

You linked a browser-test. One of the machines was an undervolted tablet with passive cooling and Windows 10, the other a full-sized notebook running Ubuntu Linux. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Passmark scores are not always represented in real-life scenarios, but they are still more accurate, than a random browser test on two very different system. The prices are from Intel's database, obviously I don't know what unique deals they make with some companies, but GPD would buy a few thousand CPUs at most, so they would most likely get the price I calculated with.

And I don't have an agenda, I just see, you write "oh, why can't they use KabbyLake CPUs in a computer the size of an Oreo cookie?!" and I answer.
Title: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: monstercameron on January 16, 2017, 11:56:14 am
Apollo Lake would be more of an alternative to me.  There are already Apollo Lake tablets on the market that use this $107 chip https://ark.intel.com/products/95596/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3450-2M-Cache-up-to-2_2-GHz
or even https://ark.intel.com/products/95592/Intel-Pentium-Processor-N4200-2M-Cache-up-to-2_5-GHz

Case in point: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-A1-Laptop---Gold-374446.html
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-V3-Pentium-Version-4G-4GB-128GB--Gray-375691.html

CPUPassmarkTDPPriceValue (Performance/Price*TDP)
Celeron N345019976W$1073.11
Pentium N420020996W$1612.18
Atom Z870019314W$3713.04

If that's the only power difference, then yeah, it's not worth it for the cost

hmm, dont know that this guys agenda is but check here
~50% more cpu perf
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/1401166?baseline=1363869


https://ark.intel.com/compare/85475,95592
note ddr4, pcie lanes for m.2 storage and network adapters, hevc and vp9 codecs

also note that the prices are subject to fluctuations
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Recommended Customer Price (RCP) is pricing guidance only for Intel products. Prices are for direct Intel customers, typically represent 1,000-unit purchase quantities, and are subject to change without notice. Prices may vary for other package types and shipment quantities. If sold in bulk, price represents individual unit. Listing of RCP does not constitute a formal pricing offer from Intel.

so, there is no argument here apollolake is far superior.

You linked a browser-test. One of the machines was an undervolted tablet with passive cooling and Windows 10, the other a full-sized notebook running Ubuntu Linux. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Passmark scores are not always represented in real-life scenarios, but they are still more accurate, than a random browser test on two very different system. The prices are from Intel's database, obviously I don't know what unique deals they make with some companies, but GPD would buy a few thousand CPUs at most, so they would most likely get the price I calculated with.

And I don't have an agenda, I just see, you write "oh, why can't they use KabbyLake CPUs in a computer the size of an Oreo cookie?!" and I answer.
All your responses are hyperbolic, I could pluck results like those from different machines all  day simply due to Apollo lake's 30% IPC advantage over silvermont. Also have you seen the intel compute stick? None of your arguments hold sway simply because the formfactors people are wishing for are all feasible.

And geekbench isn't a browser benchmark so please stop misinforming.
Title: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: mr.white on January 16, 2017, 12:32:47 pm
It does say it will have a Micro SD card slot, so they might now have integrated one.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 16, 2017, 12:41:22 pm
Apollo Lake would be more of an alternative to me.  There are already Apollo Lake tablets on the market that use this $107 chip https://ark.intel.com/products/95596/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3450-2M-Cache-up-to-2_2-GHz
or even https://ark.intel.com/products/95592/Intel-Pentium-Processor-N4200-2M-Cache-up-to-2_5-GHz

Case in point: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-A1-Laptop---Gold-374446.html
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Voyo-VBook-V3-Pentium-Version-4G-4GB-128GB--Gray-375691.html

CPUPassmarkTDPPriceValue (Performance/Price*TDP)
Celeron N345019976W$1073.11
Pentium N420020996W$1612.18
Atom Z870019314W$3713.04

If that's the only power difference, then yeah, it's not worth it for the cost

hmm, dont know that this guys agenda is but check here
~50% more cpu perf
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/compare/1401166?baseline=1363869


https://ark.intel.com/compare/85475,95592
note ddr4, pcie lanes for m.2 storage and network adapters, hevc and vp9 codecs

also note that the prices are subject to fluctuations
Quote
Recommended Customer Price (RCP) is pricing guidance only for Intel products. Prices are for direct Intel customers, typically represent 1,000-unit purchase quantities, and are subject to change without notice. Prices may vary for other package types and shipment quantities. If sold in bulk, price represents individual unit. Listing of RCP does not constitute a formal pricing offer from Intel.

so, there is no argument here apollolake is far superior.

You linked a browser-test. One of the machines was an undervolted tablet with passive cooling and Windows 10, the other a full-sized notebook running Ubuntu Linux. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Passmark scores are not always represented in real-life scenarios, but they are still more accurate, than a random browser test on two very different system. The prices are from Intel's database, obviously I don't know what unique deals they make with some companies, but GPD would buy a few thousand CPUs at most, so they would most likely get the price I calculated with.

And I don't have an agenda, I just see, you write "oh, why can't they use KabbyLake CPUs in a computer the size of an Oreo cookie?!" and I answer.
All your responses are hyperbolic, I could pluck results like those from different machines all  day simply due to Apollo lake's 30% IPC advantage over silvermont. Also have you seen the intel compute stick? None of your arguments hold sway simply because the formfactors people are wishing for are all feasible.

And geekbench isn't a browser benchmark so please stop misinforming.
I sand corrected. Geekbench Browser is in fact not a browser test. I don't deny N4200 is faster. All I say is it's far more expensive and not nearly as powerful as the price increase would indicate, hence would not be an ideal choice. If anything, a Core M base solution would be better. Even more expensive, and still not that powerful, but if we want to throw money at a wall, that's the way.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 16, 2017, 12:56:03 pm
Actually I found another source for benchmarks on the N4200 Apollo Lake vs the Z8700 Cherrytrail

It seems the N4200 is much faster as tested below.  I should add that from what I read from Intel, the below speed differences seem in line with their statements - from memory anyway.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Pentium-N4200-Notebook-Processor.182736.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Atom-x7-Z8700-Benchmarks.140906.0.html

@mr.white It would be lovely if I actually believed that Geekbuying listing was acurate.  Unfortunately , I don't
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: LordDavon on January 16, 2017, 08:32:01 pm
Actually I found another source for benchmarks on the N4200 Apollo Lake vs the Z8700 Cherrytrail

It seems the N4200 is much faster as tested below.  I should add that from what I read from Intel, the below speed differences seem in line with their statements - from memory anyway.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Pentium-N4200-Notebook-Processor.182736.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Atom-x7-Z8700-Benchmarks.140906.0.html

@mr.white It would be lovely if I actually believed that Geekbuying listing was acurate.  Unfortunately , I don't

Nice find.  The 3DMark scores are amazingly different.  Ice Storm Standard Physics 1280x720 is 15955 vs. 2570.  Cloud Gate Standard Physics 1280x720 is 1574 vs. 237.  That put the N4200 over 6 times faster in graphic benchmarks.  Not too shabby.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: nmkd on January 16, 2017, 08:39:30 pm
Damn that Pentium is really interesting.

Is it possible for the Chip to appear in a future GPD Win Model? Maybe a downclocked one to maintain performance?

Edit: Neat. That chip seems to have 220 GFLOPS Raw performance, the Win's GPU pushes 160.

I guess even with a downclock to match the Atom's power draw, it would be an improvement in graphics performance.

EDIT 2: Oh well, the chip is 3x as expensive...
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 17, 2017, 12:24:30 am
I wonder what is happening with the GPD Pocket.  It's been a while since GPD has said anything about it. 

I hope they still plan to make it.  I must admit I had my reservations about it until I saw the dimensions of the GPD Pocket, it was only then that I realized it could be pocketable .   Being pocketable is pretty mandatory for me. 

They keyboard layout was a big issue, but I like the recently modified keyboard layout  . But , I must admit , I still cannot call this a buy because of the lack of a SD slot . Plus it really also needs another full sized USB port.   Price is on the high side as well. $399 should be the upper limit IMO - not just for the Indiegogo , but for retail. 

If it was me, I'd make it $370 on Indiegogo . I'd then like to see it sell for $399 at retailers like geekbuying etc
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Kilrah on January 17, 2017, 09:25:55 am
EDIT 2: Oh well, the chip is 3x as expensive...

It also takes 2.5x the PCB real estate, no way it can physically fit in there.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vimagreg on January 17, 2017, 04:22:21 pm
I wonder what is happening with the GPD Pocket.  It's been a while since GPD has said anything about it. 

I hope they still plan to make it.  I must admit I had my reservations about it until I saw the dimensions of the GPD Pocket, it was only then that I realized it could be pocketable .   Being pocketable is pretty mandatory for me. 

They keyboard layout was a big issue, but I like the recently modified keyboard layout  . But , I must admit , I still cannot call this a buy because of the lack of a SD slot . Plus it really also needs another full sized USB port.   Price is on the high side as well. $399 should be the upper limit IMO - not just for the Indiegogo , but for retail. 

If it was me, I'd make it $370 on Indiegogo . I'd then like to see it sell for $399 at retailers like geekbuying etc

Hope they are rethinking and improving it.


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Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 19, 2017, 09:58:57 am
I noticed GPD said today on Baidu that the Pocket will go on sale in July in china.

I wonder if they are still planning a Feb 4th Indiegogo campaign, or if that has moved

Anyway, here is my list of things I'd like to see added to the GPD Pocket

1)  An SD slot  -  A must In my opinion

2)  Another full size USB port

3)  Back lit keyboard keys

4)  A front facing camera for skype calls etc

Would also be nice to have a premium GPD Pocket model with 4G data
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: rhx on January 19, 2017, 01:05:03 pm
My biggest ask is that the Type-C port is properly implemented. This means:


This will allow the Pocket to work with monitors like the Dell 27 inch S2718D.

The GPD WIN was GPD's first Windows product so understandably not working correctly, but this is their second product with a premium price for an Atom device. Everything should work properly and be Standards Compliant.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 19, 2017, 02:29:26 pm
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4945777436?pn=1
Ton of images here I'm not gonna bother rehosting.
No ports on the right side and no still no SD slot.

It also gives us a date.
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When to buy

Guerrillas sprayer :  July!
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 19, 2017, 04:03:13 pm
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4945777436?pn=1
Ton of images here I'm not gonna bother rehosting.
No ports on the right side and no still no SD slot.

It also gives us a date.
Quote
When to buy

Guerrillas sprayer :  July!

Look at the screen, most of these are photoshop.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: cmvrgr on January 19, 2017, 07:52:08 pm
It needs more powerful CPU/GPU for all of users that they need in a super small form factor device to run Autocad, photoshop and many other heavy Apps. The 7? screen will help running cad and working easier with the 7? screen vs 5.5? of GPD WIN.

We can have 2 versions. One with atom cpu for light usage and once with a proper intel I5 CPU. There are a lot of business users that they are willing to pay more for a i5 device than atom in that tiny body.

You will see that if it will be equiped with a better cpu it will sell also more not only to business users but also  to gamers that the 5.5? screen of GPD WIN is very small for many games that have plenty of text and they require a faster CPU. I know GPD is not experienced on non mobile chipsets but this will make the difference !

I know is not an easy task but from photos and rendering the chassis is big and has the room to accommodate the faster cpu. This forum asks for our opinion buyers of GPD products and now GPD with that product touches business territory not only games and some users should change their way of thinking for that specific device.

I bought GPD win primary for Business usage and as a UMPC user to replace my vilin N5 and I am serving the Computing industry for more that 25 years.

I want to help as far as I can GPD because they gave hope to all of us business users to have a tiny windows based pc in our pocket.

I hope that GPD can benefit from many opinions for professional users not only gamers.

The i5/i7 version it will have less endurance and it needs at minimum double the capacity. Maybe they will have to make it a bit thicker. WIth the same battery the atom version will have almost the double endurance but 1/3 to 1/4 of performance.

If they use Kaby Lake the Intel? Core? i7-7Y75 Processor is in 4.5w is not very far away from Atom (the Intel? Core? i7-7600U at 15w is but will have real performance for every task).

The i5 - i7 mobile cpu devices will have as disadvantage that they can not powered by a phones charger and powerbank but this is the only real disadvantage.

I hope that GPD to discuss it more with all of us before proceding with a device that will not be as succesfull as GPD Win (cause is the only in the market that cover light gamers and UMPC users).


Or can use a AMD Embedded R-Series RX-421BD Radeon R7 solution with a faster embedded chipset that outperforms all i5/i7 U (dual core CPUS/GPUS)...

Gfxbench comparison
(https://s20.postimg.org/xwuzcq6h9/gfxbench_compare.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: masterofstuff124 on January 19, 2017, 08:31:31 pm
hmmm this device looks great.

some thoughts though. the price is way to high for the hardware. z8700 is nice but not really enough for more serious applications. but just as a generic windows machine this design is exciting! maybe a dwarf fortress machine aswell!

if the battery life on this thing isnt stupendous i will be skipping it. im so sick of carrying around a 20000mah pack for all my devices that only get 3 hours of SOT. my new phone gets 7 so im moving away from that.


so if this device gets solid battery life(like plenty of tablets successfully get) and price drops in the future. Ill purchase it. I wont spend more then $300. but even then thats alot. these products always tend to flatline and you can pick one up for $100 in two years. I would buy it at launch. I have lots of very real use's for a product like this. But I dont think $500 is a fair price. At that price point I atleast expect the lowest lvl real intel/amd processor. These mobile chipsets do not deserve a real price point at $500. I could build a BEEFY computer at that price. Chromebooks that run windows are only slightly larger and offer far more performance for much less $.

I assume the GPD win is doing well if they think this mini laptop is gonna sell well at $500.

GPD if you are listening I would buy this at <300 not 500.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: masterofstuff124 on January 19, 2017, 08:53:54 pm
ahh just realized this is almost identical to the GPD win. so we can expect 3 hour battery life...

that just doesnt work for me. hopefully in the future with new chipsets we can get that to a better "portable" number.

I really like this form factor. I actually think it still makes a good gaming device. Plus being a full portable computer( i didnt buy the gpd win so this can fill that form factor for me)

I guess Ill just continue the long waiting game. atleast the nintendo switch comes out soon....
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: nmkd on January 19, 2017, 10:07:54 pm
ahh just realized this is almost identical to the GPD win. so we can expect 3 hour battery life...

that just doesnt work for me. hopefully in the future with new chipsets we can get that to a better "portable" number.

I really like this form factor. I actually think it still makes a good gaming device. Plus being a full portable computer( i didnt buy the gpd win so this can fill that form factor for me)

I guess Ill just continue the long waiting game. atleast the nintendo switch comes out soon....
Not really suitable for gaming without a gamepad...

//Sent from my glorious OnePlus X

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: masterofstuff124 on January 20, 2017, 02:24:54 am
yah no gamepad makes it less handle-able. but just bring along a mouse and its good for that. dwarf fortress is a great game that only requires a keyboard. could play some old emulator games with just the keyboard. bluetooth gamepad... but alas the terrible battery life makes this a skip for me. hopefully next gen.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Kilrah on January 20, 2017, 08:53:08 am
The Pocket is obviously made for all the uses other than gaming.

For those uses the Win does a good 6h battery life, so it's a very decent laptop in this regard.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Deen0X on January 20, 2017, 01:01:26 pm
well, is not so obvious. Most people that have an UMPC used this for gaming (or almost, trying to playin games with this)

most people will use this device for gaming too
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on January 20, 2017, 02:38:47 pm
Not exactly sure how this reads.
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背光也不是不可以

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backlight is not can not
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Backlight is not impossible
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The backlight is not
I'm pretty sure its saying no backlight keys but the various machine translations are vague enough I can't say for sure.
Given the density of the keyboard along with some unconventionally placed keys and the half sized keys packed together I'd still argue this could use it more than most other keyboards.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: zdanee on January 20, 2017, 03:36:15 pm
Not exactly sure how this reads.
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背光也不是不可以

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backlight is not can not
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Backlight is not impossible
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The backlight is not
I'm pretty sure its saying no backlight keys but the various machine translations are vague enough I can't say for sure.
Given the density of the keyboard along with some unconventionally placed keys and the half sized keys packed together I'd still argue this could use it more than most other keyboards.

Old Thinkpads used to have a LED above the screen that would shine some light on the keyboard. If nothing else, at least this. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Thinklight.jpg/220px-Thinklight.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Minori Hiraoka on January 20, 2017, 03:43:10 pm
Not exactly sure how this reads.
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背光也不是不可以

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backlight is not can not
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Backlight is not impossible
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The backlight is not
I'm pretty sure its saying no backlight keys but the various machine translations are vague enough I can't say for sure.
Given the density of the keyboard along with some unconventionally placed keys and the half sized keys packed together I'd still argue this could use it more than most other keyboards.

背光(也) = Backlight
不是 = is not
不可(以) = not possible / impossible

So I guess Google's translation is correct.

*EDIT: brakets
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on January 20, 2017, 09:49:27 pm
Not exactly sure how this reads.
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背光也不是不可以

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backlight is not can not
Quote
Backlight is not impossible
Quote
The backlight is not
I'm pretty sure its saying no backlight keys but the various machine translations are vague enough I can't say for sure.
Given the density of the keyboard along with some unconventionally placed keys and the half sized keys packed together I'd still argue this could use it more than most other keyboards.

I saw that the other day, they are saying no to backlit keys.   

No SD, no backlit keys, no second USB A , no 4G data option . But hey, the Pocket will have a premium price. Not a great combination

Well , that's the current plan, but as with the WIN development, if you want that to change and for some of those features to be added, they need to be brought up and fought for
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Jutleys on January 21, 2017, 04:33:42 pm
I would never buy this JUNK.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: leafar on January 22, 2017, 03:16:33 pm
so what is the meaning of this topic if they dont listen to, garbage and a premiun come on.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: cmvrgr on January 23, 2017, 12:23:31 pm
so what is the meaning of this topic if they dont listen to, garbage and a premiun come on.

Exactly !  We are willing to pay more for a better and more powerful device than GPD WIN not this !
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: CampGareth on January 23, 2017, 08:46:41 pm
so what is the meaning of this topic if they dont listen to, garbage and a premiun come on.

Exactly !  We are willing to pay more for a better and more powerful device than GPD WIN not this !

I would have loved to see the return of the Sony Vaio P series but with up to date hardware like a core M. By the time I became able to buy one they were so outdated it didn't make sense to any more.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2802/4082272223_406cb74d33_b.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: iStix on January 24, 2017, 08:08:13 am
so what is the meaning of this topic if they dont listen to, garbage and a premiun come on.

Exactly !  We are willing to pay more for a better and more powerful device than GPD WIN not this !

I would have loved to see the return of the Sony Vaio P series but with up to date hardware like a core M. By the time I became able to buy one they were so outdated it didn't make sense to any more.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2802/4082272223_406cb74d33_b.jpg)


i agree. I also got a vaio P in base spec though. 1.33gHz atom single core. It is slow as hell. Not usable. Wouldnt it be possible to retrofit the hardware with a more modern atom? i seen people modify old ibooks with newer hardware.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: leafar on January 24, 2017, 11:19:29 pm
nice find, 3 years ago i was tenting to buy, something like that, 7 or 8 inches,wider screen,kb,and detachable game controllers, OMG
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: ArchiMark on January 25, 2017, 03:15:34 am
i agree. I also got a vaio P in base spec though. 1.33gHz atom single core. It is slow as hell. Not usable. Wouldnt it be possible to retrofit the hardware with a more modern atom? i seen people modify old ibooks with newer hardware.

I used to have the top spec Vaio P model, the Japanese market version. Was 2.13GHz, with 256GB SSD.....much better than the base spec, although more expensive.

Think now, you'd be better off buying of those than trying to mod the one you have now.

Also, I took my Vaio P apart, and I would not recommend it unless you are really patient, careful, and have really good dexterity, as there are little tiny, itsy bitsy, teeny-weeny size thin plastic tabs that can easily break off if you don't open casing the right way. I know as one broke off....fortunately, the bottom and upper casing pieces still had enough other tabs left to hold the casing pieces together tightly. Otherwise, not a good situation....

Just my 2? as we say........

 :)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: monstercameron on January 25, 2017, 03:30:30 am
i wish we had more small scale criticisms for the pocket but I can't get behind it. it isn't what I want in a netbook.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: QuantumZIM on January 29, 2017, 03:29:06 am
I will absolutely buy this if it has good QA and really good cooling.  If it thermal throttles, then count me out.  As for the gaming potential, I havent used a 'game controller' since the 90s...  All my games require a MOUSE and as long as it has BLUETOOTH and doesnt thermal throttle, it will be the perfect portable gaming machine, to me.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 01, 2017, 10:35:09 pm
I wonder when GPD will be back from Chinese New Year holidays and we hear more on the Pocket.  It's been a while.

Not sure they still plan to do the Indiegogo on the 4th, seems increasingly unlikely now, but we will see.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Pintek on February 02, 2017, 12:44:51 am
kendy said around the 8th for me via email so maybe hear something after that
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: jmthomas87 on February 02, 2017, 05:44:04 am
This would be just the size I am wanting for a small laptop to carry on my motorcycle when I travel.

I have an old eMachines netbook that I carry running Bunsenlabs Linux, the child of CrunchBang Linux.  It does ok, but it is heavier than I like and even with the extended battery, only lasts an hour or so before the CPU starts overheating. 

Seems the Insyde H20 Bios on those eMachine tablets doesn't play with Linux well, no matter what I have tried as far as controlling the pathetic fan it has.

This is what I have been looking for.  Compact, efficient, and able to run either Windows for my work, or Linux for general use.  Maybe I would just set it up as a dual boot system and split the storage in half.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 03, 2017, 09:13:23 am
GPD have started posting again on Baidu.  They say the Chinese crowdfunding for the GPD Pocket will be in April.   Nothing said about the international crowdfunding and when that will be.  Initially there was word that it would be the 4th of Feb (tomorrow) .

They also said it will go on general sale in June

They are also still saying no to a SD/uSD slot addition
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 08, 2017, 09:52:47 pm
GPD Pocket to hit Indiegogo on Feb 15th . Well it seems that way from this article

http://www.4gamer.net/games/999/G999902/20170208107/
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 09, 2017, 08:59:02 pm
Just saw on Facebook, that Kendy confirmed the GPD Pocket will go live on Indiegogo on the 15th of Feb ie 5 days time.


GPD have also posted full details of the GPD Pocket as they will appear on the Indoiegogo page.  This includes full specs and pricing.   In brief, it will be listed for $399 on Indiegogo with a RRP of $599 (doesn't mean much , remember the WIN has a RRP off $499). Still no SD/uSD card

People will have a choice of WIN 10 or Ubuntu 16.04, ie it's not dual boot.

Here's all the details :  http://www.gpd.hk/news.asp?id=1520&selectclassid=002001



(https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1484741128/awvrakhfk4qnblwqiwrl.jpg)

(https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1486260695/grbgpnayz8zdyrbzkhve.png)

(https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1486638530/ac3lm2dhm8jqbqyynkcl.png)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on February 09, 2017, 09:23:47 pm
Thanks for posting updates. Curious to know the crowdfunding vs retail price, but we'll know in less than a week. :)

See that Victor amended his post above. About what I thought they'd be.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 09, 2017, 11:15:11 pm
@Saber

After thinking on the GPD Pocket for some time, here is my opinion on it.

Will people buy it, yes , I think some people will, particularly those wanting a pure UMPC that is remotely pocketable.  It will also have a market amongst those that want a Ubuntu UMPC where there is little alternatives. Lets not forget the Japanese love UMPCs

Do I have issues with it, yep

First off, I like UMPC's , I was an advocate for the GPD WIN to have a keyboard because of this.   So why do I have issues with the GPD Pocket. Well after thinking on it, this is why

1)  Lack  of ports.  Particularly a SD/uSD port.   Pretty much everyone has said it needs one along with another USB A port.  But instead of listening, GPD have resisted their customer base and decided to go without one.   Instead they are trying to convince people that if they need a SD/uSD port, that they should buy a hub like this one below.  Problem there is that like with the Mac book, I don't want to buy another thing to carry with me.  Also, the hub costs $50, covers the audio port and HDMI port - so you lose them.   It's like GPD have not even seen the negative feedback Apple has gotten my reducing ports on the Macbook.  All this nonsense simply becuase GPD will not listen to the customer base and add a couple more ports.  Frustrating as anything

Everywhere Ive gone, people have said they want the ports , even going as far as saying, that GPD will lose sales without those ports.  So why hasn't GPD added them if they are going to lose sales?  .   That is the most frustrating thing IMO, to know they will lose sales for not making a simple change, and then see them resist the change oblivious to this fact.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Satechi-Type-C-USB-3-0-3-in-1-Combo-Hub-for-MacBook-12-Inch-with-USB-C-Chargin-/222118068622?hash=item33b744c18e:g:FzMAAOSwt7pXN011

2)  It competes with the GPD WIN.  Now you might say, hey, no it doesn't , it's a pure UMPC and attracks that market. Sure, but lets look at the different markets

a)  There are those after a gaming handheld - they will buy the WIN

b)  There are those after a combination gaming handheld and UMPC - they will buy the GPD WIN

c)  There are those that purely want a UMPC. Here it gets interesting.  Rather than just going for the GPD Pocket , this market will compare the GPD WIN against the Pocket.  Some will go for the WIN, as it has more ports including a uSD port and it's more pocketable due to it's size. And the WIN is cheaper.  Then there are those who will buy the Pocket for it's bigger screen and better keyboard.

d)  It eats into the GPD WIN market. I wouldn't say it's a zero sum game , but it's close to it.  That is to say, that a number of people who buy the Pocket would have bought a WIN if the Pocket didn't exist.  GPD have literally introduced a product who's main competitor is something they also sell (WIN)

Also, It really annoys me that when the GPD WIN was being developed that we all said the keyboard needed to be fixed.  We said this before it hit Indiegogo and 8 months before it's development was finished and it was released.  Ample time to fix it.  And indeed in that time GPD made massive changes to the WIN , BUT, did not fix the Keyboard.  Now , as part of their justification for the Pocket, they say that the Pocket addresses the keyboard issues that people are complainging about with the WIN.  You now, those issues we all warned them about 8 months before they finished the GPD WIN.   Those issues they had 8 months to address.   Super frustrating.

This is a side note, but I'd still like to see GPD fix the Keyboard on the WIN.   Remove  both right columns of keys and expand the keyboard keys out.   There have been literally dozens of examples of how this can be done.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on February 10, 2017, 03:25:02 am
I've seen mentions of how they don't want to do the SD card because of space and have mentions performance problems associated with the CPU which seems weird to me but at the same time I've seen enough problems I won't immediately discard what they are saying.
But if that were true I'd much rather they outright came out and said this this and this is why we have decided not to do this.

I love Palmtops and want this market to grow more but I want a sd slot, have no desire to use a hub for any reason whatsoever and with the small keyboard with some oddly shaped keys a backlight would be something I don't need but would be convenient.
Unlike the Win its not laminated to the heat sink and there is some space under the keys.

I think I'll back off this time and just follow along rather than backing this one this time round.
Honestly no matter what we say I know this will end up making bank in Japan and from those who want native Ubunto on a UMPC without messing with drivers but I'll speak with my wallet nonetheless.
And they have mentioned the likelihood of a gen 2 using a M3 or some other cpu so I probably wanna wait for gen 2 anyways provided they can keep the cost down or just buy a used one when someone else upgrades.

And anyways if theres one thing I've learned its that it is quite possible to preorder it from a third party seller using a coupon code to get it slightly cheaper and it may or may not arrive before the campaign backers get it.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 10, 2017, 03:40:05 am
@MJPIA

The space issue was discussed at length in this thread.  As was discussed then, I see no reason why they couldn't do any number of things to include the ports - including using a smaller daughter board to put the ports on the other side.

As for the SD card performance issues with the CPU.  Sounds like you read a thread post on Baidu which I read also a while ago.  My understanding of that was different. My understanding was that a user was asking whether a high speed SD slot could be implemented.  SOC performance issues were then stated by Gorilla Sprayer. At least that was my take on the translation
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: wade on February 10, 2017, 03:54:25 am
@MJPIA

The space issue was discussed at length in this thread.  As was discussed then, I see no reason why they couldn't do any number of things to include the ports - including using a smaller daughter board to put the ports on the other side.

As for the SD card performance issues with the CPU.  Sounds like you read a thread post on Baidu which I read also a while ago.  My understanding of that was different. My understanding was that a user was asking whether a high speed SD slot could be implemented.  SOC performance issues were then stated by Gorilla Sprayer. At least that was my take on the translation
Don't add a second USB interface:
In order to achieve the first usb interface, we have to sacrifice the top right-hand corner of a standard keyboard button (to power button), the main reason is limited by the thickness of the machine

Do not need 50 dollars, type c extensions, extension accessories we will provide us $10

Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 10, 2017, 04:03:30 am
@MJPIA

The space issue was discussed at length in this thread.  As was discussed then, I see no reason why they couldn't do any number of things to include the ports - including using a smaller daughter board to put the ports on the other side.

As for the SD card performance issues with the CPU.  Sounds like you read a thread post on Baidu which I read also a while ago.  My understanding of that was different. My understanding was that a user was asking whether a high speed SD slot could be implemented.  SOC performance issues were then stated by Gorilla Sprayer. At least that was my take on the translation
Don't add a second USB interface:
In order to achieve the first usb interface, we have to sacrifice the top right-hand corner of a standard keyboard button (to power button), the main reason is limited by the thickness of the machine

Do not need 50 dollars, type c extensions, extension accessories we will provide us $10

The main issue is the lack of the SD/uSD slot.  That is the prime issue, it's an issue that everyone has pointed out.  All users here, all users on the Pyra forum and  the Chinese users on your Baidu forum.   

Are you telling me there is no way to add it, not even with a daughter board on the opposite  side of the Pocket?.


The feedback I have to date, particularly from the Pyra forum who are interested in a Linux UMPC, is that you will lose sales by not having a SD/uSD port.  I think that is clear .  Is it worth losing sales for the effort it takes to add the SD/uSD port.  That is the question you need to ask yourself.


As for the hub, as I said, it's a hassle to have to buy accessories and carry them also.  They also tend to cover existing ports,.  For example, the hub GPD showed, covers the audio port and the HDMI port.  Sure you can buy an extension cable to avoid this. But this is yet another accessory to buy and carry.  It's the same thing with the macbook.  Go and see the comments it gets for it's lack of ports.  Go and read peoples comments about needing to buy a hub for the macbook.  How many people have mentioned they didn't buy the latest macbook because of the lack of ports.  How many sales did Apple lose because of it.  It's literally the biggest talked about issue with the latest macbooks . And GPD want to repeat it? . 
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: frivolutionary on February 10, 2017, 04:22:14 am
Hello everyone,

This is my first post here but I have been following the progress of the GPD Win from at least this same time last year.  I had an Indiegogo order in the early 1000s and received a GPD Win that works satisfactorily, though to be honest, I haven't tried anything seriously taxing with it.  I even dropped it once and I thought it was dead but it started up again . . . small miracles!  I am generally pretty happy with it, keeping my expectations low but man, watching the campaign roll out was like watching a train wreck in super slow mo, without being able to do anything about it!  I'm sorry for all the other folks who funded the campaign and got less reliable Wins, if they even received one at all!

Back on track, other than the terrible rollout of the GPD Wins, the thing that bugs me the most is that GPD doesn't seem to listen.  I totally agree with vcoleiro1's points below.  First of all, it was brought up several times by several people that the keyboard should be aligned better on the GPD Win and thought they listened to some feedback, they only made little concessions like USB C over USB A or placement of certain special keys.  They stubbornly refused to consider any change to the layout as a whole, which affects the functionality of the Win in a big way.  I have small hands and it's an uncomfortable stretch to type on the GPD Win's keyboard.  Honestly, I think they were just in a rush because production was underway but still, it affects the functionality to a degree that the keyboard seems more a gimmick than something that can be used productively.

The GPD Pocket is a product that interests me.  It would interest me a whole lot more if I didn't already have a GPD Win.  This is again due to the same reasons listed by vcoleiro1 below.  I would probably fall under the category of 2 b or c.

I don't want to make pie in the sky suggestions like putting a Core i7 in a tiny package and expect all day battery life and proper heat dissipation but here is what I think GPD should really focus on:


In summary, GPD, please take the time to consider your design for the GPD Pocket.  You have no reason to rush as most folks are happy enough with their GPD Wins already, some folks may just be receiving them now and are just experimenting with them, never mind tiring of them yet.  Deal with the backlog of unprocessed orders or RMAs and take some time to seriously consider the feedback your getting.  No one is asking you to take the Pocket to market today, no one is even cornering your turf as it appears GPD are the only company currently producing or even considering producing UMPCs.  I already have a cellphone, I already have a laptop and desktop.  If you can sell me on a great GPD Pocket, I might become a repeat customer.  As it is now, I am happy enough with my GPD Win and other gadgets.

Frivolutionary - signing off

P.S.  I just want to say thank you to Saber, vcoleiro1, and Phawx for their thorough research and thoughtfully considered opinions and discussions on this board.

2)  It competes with the GPD WIN.  Now you might say, hey, no it doesn't , it's a pure UMPC and attracks that market. Sure, but lets look at the different markets

a)  There are those after a gaming handheld - they will buy the WIN

b)  There are those after a combination gaming handheld and UMPC - they will buy the GPD WIN

c)  There are those that purely want a UMPC. Here it gets interesting.  Rather than just going for the GPD Pocket , this market will compare the GPD WIN against the Pocket.  Some will go for the WIN, as it has more ports including a uSD port and it's more pocketable due to it's size. And the WIN is cheaper.  Then there are those who will buy the Pocket for it's bigger screen and better keyboard.

d)  It eats into the GPD WIN market. I wouldn't say it's a zero sum game , but it close to it.  That is to say, that a number of people who buy the Pocket would have bought a WIN if the Pocket didn't exist.  GPD have literally introduced a product who's main competitor is something they also sell (WIN)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MJPIA on February 10, 2017, 04:23:01 am
@MJPIA

The space issue was discussed at length in this thread.  As was discussed then, I see no reason why they couldn't do any number of things to include the ports - including using a smaller daughter board to put the ports on the other side.

As for the SD card performance issues with the CPU.  Sounds like you read a thread post on Baidu which I read also a while ago.  My understanding of that was different. My understanding was that a user was asking whether a high speed SD slot could be implemented.  SOC performance issues were then stated by Gorilla Sprayer. At least that was my take on the translation
Ah yeah looks like that was a misunderstanding on my part due to machine translation and dyslexia.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 10, 2017, 11:09:22 pm
Liliputing have put up a story on the GPD Pocket:

https://liliputing.com/2017/02/gpd-pocket-7-inch-laptop-crowfunding-campaign-starts-feb-15th.html
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 12, 2017, 01:49:56 am
So if it's true that the GPD WIN is using the Z8750 now, does that mean the GPD Pocket will also use the Z8750?

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-windows-devices/i-guess-gpd-has-switched-over-the-the-z8750/
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MOFO on February 12, 2017, 05:12:43 pm
Why is GPD crowdfunding again?
I really hope the learned from the roll out disaster with the WIN!
I like the idea but like a lot of you guys have said the lack of ports is very troublesome.
Personally I would never crowdfund anything from GPD.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: LifeIsOnTheWire on February 13, 2017, 09:25:03 pm
Hey everyone, I came here after seeing the Liliputing article about the GPD Pocket.  I happens that I'm also a long time GP32 GP2x, and GCW-Zero fan.

I'm looking at the keyboard layout of this device on GPD's website (it seems they have had several iterations of the keyboard layout), and I'm a little concerned about some of the design choices.

I'm referring to this one:  https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1484741128/awvrakhfk4qnblwqiwrl.jpg

The design makes several compromises that I feel are unnecessary, and it also assumes that certain keys need to be included on a keyboard of this size.

I design and build custom mechanical keyboards as a hobby, and I have some experience in "living with" certain small keyboard layouts, and I can make several suggestions based on having built and "lived with" these small keyboards:

- You don't need 2 sets of Ctrl/alt keys.  Lose the Right-hand set
- 2 Shift keys may be nice, but its a bit of a compromise, when you have reduced several keys to a 0.5 or 0.75-width key size.
- The Menu key is worthless.  Its been over a decade since I've pressed that key
- The Capslock key can be tossed.  FN + Shift is easy enough

The reason this design has so many compromises is because it is an "11 column" keyboard.  You need at least 12 columns of keys to stick to a some-what traditional design.  11 columns requires serious compromises.

I've spent some time designing a few layouts of my own.  The 1st one is a 12-column keyboard, just to demonstrate how much more "normal" a keyboard can be with an extra column.  The rest of the designs are 11-column designs.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/c85e841a841c7b12559bb776fd8462e6
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on February 13, 2017, 10:06:31 pm
Hey everyone, I came here after seeing the Liliputing article about the GPD Pocket.  I happens that I'm also a long time GP32 GP2x, and GCW-Zero fan.

I'm looking at the keyboard layout of this device on GPD's website (it seems they have had several iterations of the keyboard layout), and I'm a little concerned about some of the design choices.

I'm referring to this one:  https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1484741128/awvrakhfk4qnblwqiwrl.jpg

The design makes several compromises that I feel are unnecessary, and it also assumes that certain keys need to be included on a keyboard of this size.

I design and build custom mechanical keyboards as a hobby, and I have some experience in "living with" certain small keyboard layouts, and I can make several suggestions based on having built and "lived with" these small keyboards:

- You don't need 2 sets of Ctrl/alt keys.  Lose the Right-hand set
- 2 Shift keys may be nice, but its a bit of a compromise, when you have reduced several keys to a 0.5 or 0.75-width key size.
- The Menu key is worthless.  Its been over a decade since I've pressed that key
- The Capslock key can be tossed.  FN + Shift is easy enough

The reason this design has so many compromises is because it is an "11 column" keyboard.  You need at least 12 columns of keys to stick to a some-what traditional design.  11 columns requires serious compromises.

I've spent some time designing a few layouts of my own.  The 1st one is a 12-column keyboard, just to demonstrate how much more "normal" a keyboard can be with an extra column.  The rest of the designs are 11-column designs.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/c85e841a841c7b12559bb776fd8462e6
Respectfully disagree here.  :)

Firstly, a twelfth key column would necessitate shrinking the other normal size keys per row, which isn't a grand conception to behold since the stated objective of the Pocket's keyboard is to be as near dimensionally to a regular laptop's keys as doable in this magnitude. Secondly, as such, removing standard modifiers from their respective established locations is undesired by most users. Besides that, the Pocket is designed to be tapped with both hands, so dual modifier pairs of Shift, Ctrl, and Alt, are favored as always. For me, I like that nothing here is missing or buried, which is a comfort. ;)
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: LifeIsOnTheWire on February 14, 2017, 01:39:25 am
I'm not really stuck on the idea of a 12 column keyboard.  11 columns can be done, but you need to let go of some keys.

Id like the luxury of keeping all those keys, but if the tradeoff is that they have to be 0.5 or 0.75 wide keys, I simply won't use those.

And that tiny caps lock key snuggled up against the "A" key, I can guarantee I'll be prying it out of the keyboard when I get tired of accidently hitting it.

I've been using a 40% sized keyboard for a bit, and I've given up so many useless keys, I don't even miss them.

I'm in the middle of wiring up a custom 30% 35 key keyboard right now, you'd be surprised how much functionality you can cram into so few keys when you get creative with the function layers.  https://youtu.be/D8yM-IVX8Fo

I spent some time analyzing my typing habits, and I learned that I never once touch the following keys:

- Right shift
- Right Ctrl and Alt
- Left Windows key (I only ever use Right-win + L/K/P)
- Tilde
- Menu (next to the Right Win key)

I also learned that I rarely use caps lock, and I never touch the left half of the space bar.

I totally respect your desire to have every key you need on it, but I'd encourage you to check out the world of 40% and 60% mechanical keyboards.  I think you'd be impressed at how easily you can get used to a new layout.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: vcoleiro1 on February 14, 2017, 09:07:18 pm
The GPD Pocket is scheduled to go live on Indiegogo today.  Which means somewhere within the next 19 hours (China time)

Will have to check it out
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: Saber on February 14, 2017, 10:22:53 pm
I wonder what they've settled on in regards to the port sequencing along the side of the machine. Pictures abound with variations of where the headphone jack is on the GPD Pocket.

I would prefer too they remove the HDMI port, and substitute it with a micro SDXC slot. USB to HDMI adapters exist after all.
Title: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: mr.white on February 18, 2017, 01:00:36 pm
Just wondering if this version would be acting worse in matter of game performance as the GPD Win? I mean it got a much higher resolution 1920x1200 but 4 more gigs of ram.
Title: Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
Post by: MOFO on February 18, 2017, 03:42:42 pm
If you cut the res in half it should perform better than GPD stock 720p screen res when gaming.