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Faust

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #80 on: January 09, 2017, 10:33:29 am »
Thanks so much for your kind recommendations.
We will adjust the keyboard layout soon.Once get update new,I will share with you all.
And here is some picture of GPD Pocket prototype more~
Because of the thickness of the base of the GPD Pocket, you should consider to add a retractable touch pad like on in this picture on a side or on the front side:



https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Lapdesk-Retractable-Multi-Touch-Touchpad-939-000356/dp/B00519ASQG

Not the same size, but the same system.

It would be better to have a hinge that allows the screen to flip 360 ?, the keyboard is not practical with one and, neither the mouse, better use the on screen keyboard and the touch screen
« Last Edit: January 09, 2017, 11:15:59 am by Faust »

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2017, 10:51:22 am »
@kendyzhu777

Can you post a picture of a closed GPD WIN sitting on top of a closed GPD Pocket.  An overhead photo of this would be good, it will be the best to show the size comparison, and end a lot of questions.


Also, is it true that the GPD Pocket will be on Indiegogo in February?

midknight

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2017, 11:02:22 am »
what you could do take the guts of a gpd win and put it into the shell of the q9psv and add a wacom or wacom style digitizer. maybe with the extra space jump up to a core m.

Saber

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2017, 11:35:03 am »
Okay, here's my subtle modification of the official most current layout for the "Pocket" UMPC:

Wow, much better! A few notes: since you already got F1..12 covered, how about the dedicated volume keys has a secondary function of brightness (with Fn), then you can move the PrtScn up to the top row. I'd also resize the left Fn key to full sized, and make the Windows key smaller. Then move the right-Alt in the place of the ["'] the [:;] and the ["'] can be next to each other next to the space, and right Ctrl can be an Fn function to the Alt key.
Thanks zdanee for the feedback but it appears the company is well on it's way to a prototype case for the unit and thus unable to shrink or offset keys. My intentions here with the v1 Mod were to make the transitions as easy as possible for them. I had thought about putting Brightness controls under Fn with Volume but with only a singular Fn key on the left, it seemed friendlier to the user to have them as distinct keys.

I too would have preferred semicolon next to apostrophe but that would entail, as best option, migrating the directionals one over to the left. As a version 1 it came out well enough though. I do like your idea of reducing the Windows key.  :)

vimagreg

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2017, 11:37:04 am »
Sorry but I can't understand. If the prototype is ready, if almost all suggestions made here will be ignored, if this device will be released independent of our opinions, if specs will be that previously determined and nothing will change that...

What the reason of this thread?

Just release the device on Indiegogo, and let it go. I really didn't understand why this thread... I thought our opinions and suggestions would be considered, but obviously it's not the case. So, release the gadget and move on.

Weird...

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eragon2890

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2017, 12:06:13 pm »
Sorry but I can't understand. If the prototype is ready, if almost all suggestions made here will be ignored, if this device will be released independent of our opinions, if specs will be that previously determined and nothing will change that...

What the reason of this thread?

Just release the device on Indiegogo, and let it go. I really didn't understand why this thread... I thought our opinions and suggestions would be considered, but obviously it's not the case. So, release the gadget and move on.

Weird...

Cheers,


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Uhm, no, prototype can be made in a day with a 3d printer. you show the design you want using hte prototype. You get feedback. You make new prototype. Etc.

When the first prototypes for the win were made in may, it had an 8500, no fan, stereo speakers, a tiny non-copper heatsink, and a metal shell. When it came out, it had a 8700, a fan, a huge coppper heatsink, mono sound, and a plastic shell.

Prototype =! necessarily "we are  almost done".

Saber

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2017, 12:24:43 pm »
Just wanted to mention, when I said prototype I meant the general physical layout of the device's keyboard keys was probably set in stone. Despite that, I made another slight albeit unlikely mod:



1. Shrunk the Win key per zdanee's advice. :)
2. For declutter purposes, I removed the physical key on the bottom edge near right mouse click(as zdanee did), and moved Insert to Fn with Delete.

Something I'd personally like to add too is a micro sd slot if room permits.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2017, 12:26:33 pm by Saber »

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2017, 12:32:18 pm »
For a device like this, I wouldn't go over a 6", or maybe even 5.5", screen. 7" is too big, it can't fit in your pocket. 1366x768 is probably the ideal resolution.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket.
It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,
with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard,
so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.And very easy to type and carry,it must be convenient for daily work.

It can be fit into a pocket, but it cannot be carried comfortably in a pocket (as demonstrated by your pictures). If the top fits out of reasonably deep pockets, then I don't define that as pocketable.

Faust

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #88 on: January 09, 2017, 12:56:08 pm »
Just wanted to mention, when I said prototype I meant the general physical layout of the device's keyboard keys was probably set in stone. Despite that, I made another slight albeit unlikely mod:



1. Shrunk the Win key per zdanee's advice. :)
2. For declutter purposes, I removed the physical key on the bottom edge near right mouse click(as zdanee did), and moved Insert to Fn with Delete.

Something I'd personally like to add too is a micro sd slot if room permits.

To me the "Volume +" key should have "Brightness +" as FN function and the same for "Volume -" / "Brightness -"

I would also put Caps lock besides Q and move the "A" row a bit more on the left so you could add a bigger "Back" key.

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #89 on: January 09, 2017, 01:04:18 pm »
For a device like this, I wouldn't go over a 6", or maybe even 5.5", screen. 7" is too big, it can't fit in your pocket. 1366x768 is probably the ideal resolution.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket.
It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,
with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard,
so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.And very easy to type and carry,it must be convenient for daily work.

It can be fit into a pocket, but it cannot be carried comfortably in a pocket (as demonstrated by your pictures). If the top fits out of reasonably deep pockets, then I don't define that as pocketable.
Exactly this. Calling it 'Pocket' doesn't automatically make it pocketable either.

vimagreg

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What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #90 on: January 09, 2017, 01:38:58 pm »
Sorry but I can't understand. If the prototype is ready, if almost all suggestions made here will be ignored, if this device will be released independent of our opinions, if specs will be that previously determined and nothing will change that...

What the reason of this thread?

Just release the device on Indiegogo, and let it go. I really didn't understand why this thread... I thought our opinions and suggestions would be considered, but obviously it's not the case. So, release the gadget and move on.

Weird...

Cheers,


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Uhm, no, prototype can be made in a day with a 3d printer. you show the design you want using hte prototype. You get feedback. You make new prototype. Etc.

When the first prototypes for the win were made in may, it had an 8500, no fan, stereo speakers, a tiny non-copper heatsink, and a metal shell. When it came out, it had a 8700, a fan, a huge coppper heatsink, mono sound, and a plastic shell.

Prototype =! necessarily "we are  almost done".

Ok, I understand this. But, then, we ask for a better processor. It can't be done. We ask for 8GB RAM. Don't receive even a comment. We ask for a better keyboard layout. They make a new layout still far from good. We ask for more ports. Again no response. We ask for some design modifications. It can't be done...

Well, collecting background is ok, but so tell us what is being made with our opinions, because until now GPD presented a very early concept and refused to change it... Again, for me that doesn't make sense.

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zdanee

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #91 on: January 09, 2017, 01:59:32 pm »
Just wanted to mention, when I said prototype I meant the general physical layout of the device's keyboard keys was probably set in stone. Despite that, I made another slight albeit unlikely mod:



1. Shrunk the Win key per zdanee's advice. :)
2. For declutter purposes, I removed the physical key on the bottom edge near right mouse click(as zdanee did), and moved Insert to Fn with Delete.

Something I'd personally like to add too is a micro sd slot if room permits.

I think the pictures we see now is a 6" screen, probably a working motherboard in the background out the picture frame and a 3D printed case, so I don't think it's final and beyond changing. But considering that, my latest advice:



- Move the [:;] and ['"] next to each other.
- Add a second Fn key on the right side, since a lot of keys depend on Fn now
- PrtScn can be important in some cases, add as an Fn function to the top row
- Fn + Win is Menu
- Fn + R-Alt is R-Ctrl

Maybe a BIOS option to use the R-Fn as a R-Ctrl? Some IBM Thinkpads did that long ago.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2017, 02:02:41 pm by zdanee »
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Saber

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2017, 05:01:46 pm »
To me the "Volume +" key should have "Brightness +" as FN function and the same for "Volume -" / "Brightness -"

I would also put Caps lock besides Q and move the "A" row a bit more on the left so you could add a bigger "Back" key.
The volume keys serving dual purpose could happen. No objections here if needed, but I'm hesitant if GPD moved Caps Lock to the "Q" row which shifts that row to the right while simultaneously removing the standard QWERTY key staggering by pushing the "A" row directly underneath. As for backspace, sure a longer key like on full laptops would be great, but it's still decently sized(and directly above Enter which is fortunate for text entry). :)

Saber

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #93 on: January 09, 2017, 05:22:54 pm »

- Move the [:;] and ['"] next to each other.
- Add a second Fn key on the right side, since a lot of keys depend on Fn now
- PrtScn can be important in some cases, add as an Fn function to the top row
- Fn + Win is Menu
- Fn + R-Alt is R-Ctrl

Maybe a BIOS option to use the R-Fn as a R-Ctrl? Some IBM Thinkpads did that long ago.
I think Print Screen is useful in this day and age to a small group, but opinions do vary. Never required it for much of anything myself when shortcuts or programs are available. Insert is good for Excel and word processor users(?), but it can cause mayhem if accidentally activated, which is why I wouldn't want it as a primary key. Also wouldn't mind a dedicated Menu key(even if it does nearly the same thing as right mouse click) if there's capacity but we are severely lacking fillable positions.

Haven't checked the Table of Keyboard Shortcuts list lately for Windows but I'd assume a Fn R-Alt on R-Ctrl would be problematic.

I'm still partial to v1.1: http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png but welcome to hear more reasoning from others. 
« Last Edit: January 09, 2017, 05:29:41 pm by Saber »

Faust

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #94 on: January 09, 2017, 05:24:42 pm »
To me the "Volume +" key should have "Brightness +" as FN function and the same for "Volume -" / "Brightness -"

I would also put Caps lock besides Q and move the "A" row a bit more on the left so you could add a bigger "Back" key.

You've right for the "Q" row, so what about moving from "backspace" to "Del" to the top, while putting "caps" besides "Q" instead ? We would keep the same space for the row. It would be easier to type if:
Cap|  Q  |
|  A  |  S  |  D  |

Since you don't type the same way on the numpad than the letter part (I can type blindly on the letter, not on the numbpad), the cap lock would be considered apart of the frequently typed area.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2017, 05:27:27 pm by Faust »

Saber

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #95 on: January 09, 2017, 05:38:54 pm »
You've right for the "Q" row, so what about moving from "backspace" to "Del" to the top, while putting "caps" besides "Q" instead ? We would keep the same space for the row. It would be easier to type if:
Cap|  Q  |
|  A  |  S  |  D  |

...
The thing about doing that is the "Q" row then moves right while the "A" row then sits to the left which disrupts the natural staggering of the three QWERTY rows. This additionally results in frequently pressed Backspace becoming a half key.  :-\

zdanee

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2017, 05:57:01 pm »

- Move the [:;] and ['"] next to each other.
- Add a second Fn key on the right side, since a lot of keys depend on Fn now
- PrtScn can be important in some cases, add as an Fn function to the top row
- Fn + Win is Menu
- Fn + R-Alt is R-Ctrl

Maybe a BIOS option to use the R-Fn as a R-Ctrl? Some IBM Thinkpads did that long ago.
I think Print Screen is useful in this day and age to a small group, but opinions do vary. Never required it for much of anything myself when shortcuts or programs are available. Insert is good for Excel and word processor users(?), but it can cause mayhem if accidentally activated, which is why I wouldn't want it as a primary key. Also wouldn't mind a dedicated Menu key(even if it does nearly the same thing as right mouse click) if there's capacity but we are severely lacking fillable positions.

Haven't checked the Table of Keyboard Shortcuts list lately for Windows but I'd assume a Fn R-Alt on R-Ctrl would be problematic.

I'm still partial to v1.1: http://i.imgur.com/RDXYWEX.png but welcome to hear more reasoning from others.

You do raise a fair point with R-Ctrl, so I fiddled around a bit. Quick question: how many times do you use CapsLock a week? And out of that, how many is by accident? I think it's safe to make CapsLock a secondary function on Shift (like on a smartphone keyboard, together with Fn, or press twice fast, or something), and then the Tab can come down from the top row to a more natural place and [~] can also go back to it's original place.

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #97 on: January 09, 2017, 07:36:39 pm »
Sorry but I can't understand. If the prototype is ready, if almost all suggestions made here will be ignored, if this device will be released independent of our opinions, if specs will be that previously determined and nothing will change that...

What the reason of this thread?

Just release the device on Indiegogo, and let it go. I really didn't understand why this thread... I thought our opinions and suggestions would be considered, but obviously it's not the case. So, release the gadget and move on.

Weird...

Cheers,


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Uhm, no, prototype can be made in a day with a 3d printer. you show the design you want using hte prototype. You get feedback. You make new prototype. Etc.

When the first prototypes for the win were made in may, it had an 8500, no fan, stereo speakers, a tiny non-copper heatsink, and a metal shell. When it came out, it had a 8700, a fan, a huge coppper heatsink, mono sound, and a plastic shell.

Prototype =! necessarily "we are  almost done".

Ok, I understand this. But, then, we ask for a better processor. It can't be done. We ask for 8GB RAM. Don't receive even a comment. We ask for a better keyboard layout. They make a new layout still far from good. We ask for more ports. Again no response. We ask for some design modifications. It can't be done...

Well, collecting background is ok, but so tell us what is being made with our opinions, because until now GPD presented a very early concept and refused to change it... Again, for me that doesn't make sense.

Cheers,


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I don't think this is totally fair either. Most big companies, they design something, and you have ZERO input on it.

This is what changed in the win based on user feedback:

- the cpu was upgraded from 8500 to 8700

- dual band (5.0 ghz) wifi was added

- the screen res was lowered from 1080p to 720p for better performance

- a fan was added

- an extra column of keys was added to the keyboard

- the shell was made metal (initially then back again)

- 3 different input modes for the controller

I followed the thread about the win from the very beginning and I seem to remember very clearly at least most if not all (I am 100% certain about the 8700 and 5.0 ghz wifi) were added upon being suggested here. Those are very significant points.

Most companies would annoucne something and not even show a prototype.

GPD has released teh 3d renders of the boards, prototype photos, pcb images, sells replacement parts separately for almost nothig, upgraded wifi, 30% faster soc, better keyboard bla bla at user suggestion AT NO EXTRA COST for people who joined early, and people are complaining " they never listen anyway " <- WTF? The fact they don't listen to "every" suggestion doesn't mean they aren't doing a 10000x times more with feedback then a company like apple ever would during the design phase!

Now they are a smnall company but even now they are clearly trying to respond to feedback in the firmware updates. They added mouse acceleration on popular request. They brought back the input latency from 50 ms to less then 10. etc etc. etc. etc. etc. They suggested a fix for driver crashes.

This is 100000000 times better support then most chinese companies, and even some western ones like archos, have ever offered. And most of those have at least a few hundred employees, not , like 10? Like GPD. (7-man team I believe according to the IGG...)

Hell some people wanted the win to be a dedicated umpc, now they are launching a whole producht based on that feedback... and offcourse people call it stupid.

Heck do you know why they luanched the XD last year? Well I read an interview on here from 2013 or 2014 (back when they released the g5a) where the interviewer asked if they would ever make a 3ds like clamshell because they would like it and others said so to... they said they would think about it and TA-DA the XD was born.

So... I would say for a 7-man barn they sure as heck do listen to feedback!

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #98 on: January 09, 2017, 10:36:12 pm »
You do raise a fair point with R-Ctrl, so I fiddled around a bit. Quick question: how many times do you use CapsLock a week? And out of that, how many is by accident? I think it's safe to make CapsLock a secondary function on Shift (like on a smartphone keyboard, together with Fn, or press twice fast, or something), and then the Tab can come down from the top row to a more natural place and [~] can also go back to it's original place.
Well, I think when you move something you have to borrow from something else in such a diminutive setup. I don't think Tilde is high on the priority list to have it in it's proper place by shrinking Tab, and I do press the Caps Lock key occasionally. If we make Caps a Fn + Left Shift this can be a headache for people since we have only one Fn key(making it a lock key or having to hold Fn with Shift just to get around all this for the sake of change seems extreme when it works fine already as it is).

There are tradeoffs with any layout proposal but we must strive to get most of the basics correct which I believe we've done:

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #99 on: January 10, 2017, 01:29:32 am »
Needs at least 2 x USB-A 3.0

If not part of base model, please include as a perk for 8gb RAM - I'd pay the extra for this option.

Look forward to the indiegogo link.

 

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