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nex86

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2017, 05:34:32 pm »
I'd go for 1366x768. Not higher because scaling in Windows can be a pain.
8GB RAM instead of 4GB would be better. And as Faust said, a cardreader.
I'd love to hide my SD card inside though so it doesn't stick out.

All this would be the perfect Netbook for me.

Pintek

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2017, 06:36:42 pm »
Honestly the netbook render looks likes gitterbug and lenovo had baby an covered it in aluminum it doesn't look at all that appealing. Also gives me a razer switch blade concept feel though not as dark and the keys don't have tiny LCD's behind them.

I think it be more to peoples interest to make a further improvement to the gpd win
- split the "special keys" so the main keyboard is centered flanked by (the left side: L3, select, vol up, vol down, power | right side: r3, start, xbox, insert, pause
- further optimization to the heatsink/motherboard layout to allow a higher cfm blower style cooler used more commonly in laptops an active cooling tablets
-Possibly add back lighting to the key even if its minimal just enough so we can get a guesstimate of where the keys are
-experiment with the AMD merlin apu thats being used in the smach Z an see if its remotely possible to make the gpd win sized chassis handle that amount of heat if its remotely feasible
---if its likely impossible to make the amd chip work an sticking to the z8700 bump up the ram to 6-8gb an storage to use a mini pcie/msata connection so customers can later down the line upgrade the internal SSD (half length ones to save space)

If you REAAAALY want to make a netbook i'd say don't your going to get more issues then its worth my place of employment did a 3,200 computer rollout of HP specter x360's an this race to the thinnest laptop has made them fragile as heck when you put humans in the equation.

I'd dare say an I may be the extreme minority but seeing Sony's name in the thread reminded me of a darn near invisible umpc... Look at the vaio VNG UX series

-Maybe make a device based on a similar concept but about... 6mm thinner? (I know thats not much these things were chunky in a good way)
-Something with a slide up screen full keyboard thats perfect to thumb type one (like the old sidekicks) BACKLIT (like the side kick 4g)
-Its gonna be a bit larger form factor so go ahead an dump a merlin or intel equiv whatever has a better performance to $$$ to power consumption but no atoms
since if going with a ux sized device allow for upgradable memory and storage heck even gives you room for a spare mini pcie slot for a cell modem
Make the device as friendly as possible for people that take public trans try to design something that people can hold while on the subway to get a quick bit of news or play monster hunter online with look at the sony psp an try to emulate such a fantastically friendly device into a windows computer form factor that can fit nicely into a purse, satchel, coat pocket, pants pocket.

Well the last bit actually sounds like you guys did that already with the win just get the quality up stream line things don't neglect this little guy cause every person i've shown as actually started wondering about getting one themselfs even when they know I have a buggy unit I deal with it an love using my gpd win for typing troubleshooting tech on site and gaming at lunch


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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2017, 08:44:52 pm »
A machine that would be a bit more convenient to type on would be nice, but at the same time I wouldn't want anything bigger than the Win. I also like the usual clamshell design of the Win. In my opinion, making a 2nd device that is too "common" and close to existing netbooks would have little interest.

I'd rather see the couple of poor design choices of the Win optimised, since to me it is pretty much perfect apart from that.
- Keep the general case design
- Make the keyboard full width and centered, with a better choice of keycaps (need to feel the space between keys more)
- Move the special keys between the joysticks, L3/R3 ideally as joystick push but if not possible right next to the joys
- Fit a 6" screen with thinner bezels

And of course fix the remaining issues i.e. sleep crash, improve cooling slightly. A thin profile radial fan like in most laptops (look at Apple inside photos) might be more efficient than the current axial one.

Also port Android and allow for dual boot. This must not be a huge thing since other Cherry Trail devices do it e.g. Gole 1.

If you do that you cater for both markets.



PowerLion1

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2017, 08:48:55 pm »
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

I had two different netbooks.  Barely used them because of the low processing power and they were just too big to be portable and too small to be useful.  I now use a laptop for my main PC and the GPD Win for on the go.  What would be nice is one of the following.

  • A dock for the GPD Win
    • Connect other devices other than bluetooth keyboards and mice easily
    • Can add HDD, optical drives, video out, etc via USB Type C while charging
    • Makes it a home desktop while keeping it portable for on the go
  • A lapdock like the Motorola atrix/bionic
    • I LOVE the usability of my atrix lapdock even though I don't have the phone
    • It's a nice very portable HDMI screen with a USB keyboard and trackpad.
    • But if it had a bluetooth keyboard and mouse instead it would be great.
    • Add miracast to it and you have a truly portable laptop dock without wires
    • WiFi enabled storage with microSD slots
    • I plan on using a Raspberry Pi Zero to try to make something like this

Also, thumbs sticks suck.  That's why many laptops don't use them anymore and switched to a trackball, and now to touchpads.  Maybe if you used an infrared LED without color and pointed it upwards on a flat piece of plastic or glass, it would be more comfortable and might make it more appealing to use.  Think sort of an upside down mouse.  Like moving your finger over the mouse instead of moving the mouse on a table.  Also, one less thing that could possibly break easy.





The three things I'd like to see GPD release next

1)  A Ubuntu download with drivers for the GPD WIN as promised to backers .  I know a lot of people that would buy a GPD WIN when Ubuntu becomes an option for it

I second that!





2)  An Android  GPD XD 2, a lot of people have been waiting for this

With Microsoft announcing Windows 10 on the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor the GPD XD2 would sound like a great idea.  I don't have an XD, but if they made the XD2 the same as the XD and included two changes, I would grab it up in a heartbeat.

  • Windows 10 ARM + Android DualOS
  • Add a touchpad keyboard and stylus holder like the DS.
    • Something similar to a laptop trackpad.
    • Decals can be added for various languages or customizations
    • It can determine the key via location on the trackpad
    • Something similar to millikeys.  I used millikeys on my Kyocera 7135 a long time ago.





3)  A premium GPD WIN option with 128GB storage or more. Perhaps even with a metal shell like the one shown at one point in the Indiegogo campaign.   There are a ton of people that would buy a larger storage WIN option.  Call it the GPD WIN Elite.

Only problem with that is if they bump it up to 128GB then it goes out of the specs for a free Win10 license.  So, you would have to add an additional $50 on to the price of the unit.  And the increase in storage would add approximately $20 (retail) at the current rate.

Now you're talking nearly $500.  A metal shell (which absorbs heat much more) might not be a good idea considering how hot the GPD Win does get and will add on to the cost even more.

Although what would be nice is to put a second microSD slot on the other side of the board as well so that it has two microSD slots in the same location (like a sandwich) which would allow for more storage.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 09:01:16 pm by PowerLion1 »

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2017, 08:55:49 pm »
Personally, I wouldn't be interested in a portable device bigger than a GPD Win, even if it offered better controls or more power than the Win. And this design does neither of those things anyway!

zdanee

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2017, 10:22:19 pm »
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

My first thought: Oh my God! What idiot designed that keyboard?! Backspace below space? And a power button in the place of the backspace? Do you want me to turn the machine off every time I try to delete a character? Just put the power button on the side of the machine and put the backspace where it belongs. That advice was for free, you are welcome.
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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2017, 01:04:02 am »
Some harsh replies, but I have to echo some of the sentiments here. While I invested in a GPDWin, I do have a few Atom based windows tablets laying around. Honestly they're not appealing and I don't really feel like there is a mainstream market for them. They're slow, big and really lack the power behind them to do what a real laptop could do. At that point, most people would just go with a Chromebook or Laptop.

At 7" it's just way to big to be a UMPC. UMPC should be like the GPD WIN far more portable so there's an incentive to having it. I think you guys would be far better keeping the GPD Win mold, fixing the keyboard placement, removing the controls, upgrading the storage and ram and selling it as a separate UMPC lineup.

Otherwise, there's 100's of products just like this one stateside and internationally that I just can't see to many people being interested. The GPD Win is unique, build on that and you'll find a much bigger niche market I think.

Renard (OP)

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2017, 06:21:50 am »
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

Pintek

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2017, 07:00:01 am »
Honestly I own a first gen acer aspire one AOA150 netbook I do not feel a device smaller then one of those would be comfortable doing standard typing the idea of playing a fps/rts/mmo seams like a horrible idea on something a little bigger then the win but without its dedicated game controls.

Also guessing this will be thinner then a win an well that throws so many red flags for me saying the thicker HP spectre I've seen get warped chassis and they are "aluminum" I really don't think its the greatest idea to start throwing another device especially one that I don't think fits your company's name or theme (least that I've seen) "Game Pad Digital" you should be focusing on devices that take gaming controls firstly an cleverly an comfortably integrating them into a portable mobile device.

You say this device is gonna be called the pocket... thats a bit of a stretch. I mean yeah it looks like this device will be only maybe a half inch smaller in the width an height then my retired note 8 tablet with zaggkeys folio case but thinner an that thing was lucky enough to fit in my cargo pant leg pockets let along the actual side pockets (29" length x 32" length pant size)

You might as well try to make a 6" version of the panisonic jungle which kinda looks like a more rugged version of the win sans the full xbox controls an stranger appearance


Specs are fine but really at the form factor you could save yourself rma headaches by setting it up with mini PCIE based SSD, wlan and then using sodim memory (cleverly possibly notching the motherboard to give room) so the device doesn't need to be shipped back an people have to wait 30+ days to know if their device is even picked up for servicing.

This device seams more like something that whatever marketing research you've done I feel you had people say "yeah I'd buy that" but in reality they'll go with something that this is competing for at a lower price even if its inferior to performance... This device is bland and unoriginal if this was on indigogo before the win I wouldn't even have looked... I would have actually gone an bought a old vaio VGN ux if it wasn't for the fact I noticed the win was up for presale

I really recommend you continue to innovate your fascinating game handheld/windows hybrids I'm guessing you just have way more atom 8700s laying around from the gpd win which I'd say continue churning the win's out, optimize the heat sink design further, give people a option for ram an storage upgrades heck why not offer a premium full aluminum housing option to?

Finally I just feel you guys right now are in a interesting segment after releasing the win... You have made one of the first UMPC devices in a long while that out performs most cheap windows 10 tablets, topping it off right now you hold the monopoly on this till the smach Z comes out. Why not continue on that an design a few different styles of UMPC devices each of which work great an can show that while the concept of the smach Z is cool that its better to maintaining a keyboard and a clever way to have gamepad/mouse controls?

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2017, 07:13:06 am »
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

What are the dimensions of the device roughly?

mr.white

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2017, 09:22:02 am »
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

Any price yet?

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2017, 11:27:18 am »
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

Why bother? You'll most likely end up with a total of 100 (or less) sold, worldwide.
Just as @Gin2168 has already stated...There are so so many other products already released on the the market exactly like the one you're trying to make and some of them are even better.
Hardly anyone wants this crap!!
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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2017, 12:03:32 pm »
The reason to launch this product is that some handheld game players are also the fans of laptop, and they are very interested in this laptop which is easy to type and carry.Also for some geeks they are quite fancy this tiny laptop. Therefore GPD company is going to launch this product. The product is currently named "Pocket", meaning it is the laptop which can be put into the pocket.

Actually, it can indeed be put into the pocket. It is slightly larger than GPD WIN, and because it employs CNC integrated color aluminum process,with extremely narrow frame with 7-inch screen design, also it has QWERTY keyboard, so that the overall layout is very compact and tiny.

Here are the basic configuration of the product:
CPU:8700
RAM:4GB
ROM:128GB
Screen: 7-inch IPS screen, full lamination technology, Gorilla glass 3
Battery currently: 7000mAH

Please consider redesigning that keyboard!
Also, did you ever consider Core m3 CPU? If you slightly undevolt it, it will have a greater performance than the 8700 while being less hot and having a very similar TDP. The GPD Win is the proof, that the target-audience is willing to pay more for a better performance/size ratio.
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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2017, 12:38:18 pm »
Also, thumbs sticks suck.  That's why many laptops don't use them anymore and switched to a trackball, and now to touchpads.
Disagreed, I prefer them to trackpads.

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2017, 12:53:45 pm »
Hi!

Kendy asked to me about this device and i start asking to people to know their opinions.

There are a big part of users that don?t have any interest on this device, because there is no gaming controls on it.

Then centering on the other part of users, these that are interested on UMPC aspect, show some interest on it, but there is a part that comment they will really interested if the device is cheaper than GPD-Win (up to 200usd, no more). I understand this device will be so similar to current GPD-Win, then price will be similar too, then these users really will not get interested on this device, considering the final price is around 300usd or more.

Then, i centered on users that keep interesting on the device. They are only few guys that get real interest on the device, but talking with some of them, they requeriments may be fulfit with any other Window tablet on the market. the reasons are the following:

- GPD-Win is really portable device. you can put on your pocket and go. Any other device biggest than the Win will need a proper bag/backpack/etc for transport, then is not so portable as the Win.
Considering this point, if you will use a backpack for transporting this 7" UMPC, then you most probably can carry a 10" tablet + keyboard. This will not give to you a real difference between these two devices for transporting

- 7" size will not bring a keyboard size that can be used normally with all your fingers. In any case, will be used with two fingers.

- The size of the keyboard will be so big for use the device in portable mode, this is, holding with your hands and writting with your thumbs, because you must have a very long hands for typing with easy, using the center of the keyboard. (my case, i have mid-small hands, and i get not comfortable many times when typing on the Win, trying to reach the center of the keyboard)

- The price will most probably will similar to GPD-Win (in fact, is the same device with biggest screen, redesigned keyboard and biggest battery, without gamepad, but compensate i think on the cost)

- Considering the previous points, any windows (dual-os) tablet + keyboard case will give the same portability and (even better) experience of usage as 7" UMPC, with less cost than GPD-Win

Note that this is what i conclude talking with other users.

Now, my personal opinion is: GPD must center on the new market they created, starting with GPD-Win, a device with gaming features for portable windows gaming.
I think, a GPD-Win in 6" or 7" with small redesigns maybe a good alternative. Something where keyboard will be a little bit bigger size, and keep the gaming controls. (and a tiny border for get a big screen without lossing area)
This will cover the UMPC part for people that want a mini-notebook, with a better keyboard than GPD-Win 5,5" device
This will cover the Gaming need for people that wants a 7" device for windows gaming.

My suggested "small" changes for this device are the following:
- add a second card reader (a full sized slot). Many users will be glad on getting two card readers on the device. This open a way to expand storage on the device in a cheaper way, with SD Cards.
- Add more Full Sized USB ports. This will be nice to see 2x3.0 USB and 2x2.0 USB ports (or 1x3.0 and 3x2.0). In any case, adding USB ports on the device will increase their connectivity and usability as UMPC device, expanding their usages for many kind of applications, not only storage (external devices, printers, testers, etc). Is nice that GPD-Win have a full sized USB 3.0 port, but many we (as users) must connect an USB Hub for adding more ports to the device.
- Redesign the keyboard. Move the right button bar to the center of the device, between the analog sticks. this is, for long, the most requested fix on the GPD-Win and is a must be for next designs of the device.
- Mouse stick is a good idea in my opinion, but maybe replaced by an OFN device placed on the corner of the device. A OFN device give a better precise and comfortable mouse solution tan mouse stick (and is relatively cheap piece of hardware)
- The gamepad controls on this device will be a secondary element, then may keep the same size than GPD-Win (maybe the DPAD can be a little bit bigger). Keep the location on the top of the device, will give space for the keyboard to be biggest than GPD-Win, considering now is a 7" device.
- Add a RJ45 Gigabit port. this is very useful for UMPC aspect of the device.

The rest, keep the current GPD-Win features/specs

And yes, aluminium is a very cool material/color   ^_^
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 01:15:11 pm by Deen0X »

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2017, 03:19:03 pm »
What do you think of this new product? It employs Windows 10 system+Touch panel+fully functional keyboard, with 4GB RAM + 128GB ROM. The main difference between this and GPD WIN is that it is slightly larger (7 Inch) and it doesn't have gamepad buttons. Please see the pictures of this new device below.

There's extreme reluctance to offer opinion about your future products given your company is notoriously deaf to said advice. Also, GPD staff seems to make promises they don't keep(hello Kendy Zhu, I'm still awaiting your reply about the Win you promised me but haven't sent as you did for others), and that they, GPD, continue to do whatever they please no matter how vociferously the community members worldwide disagree to it. The cockeyed keyboard and the L3/R3 placement on the Win for example.

Although it likely won't make any appreciable difference, I see three points in this compact laptop that could use reworking...

1. Power Button size and location is poorly thought out.
2. Hinge -if touchscreen, then why not 360? like the XD2?
3. Keyboard Layout
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 03:28:25 pm by Saber »

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2017, 08:33:28 pm »


Here is the issue, the GPD Pocket proposed here is more or less a Netbook.  Netbooks had a small following until Tablets came out.   After that, pretty much no one wanted them as they just used a tablet instead with a keyboard cover.

And that's the problem, just as Deen0X said, the GPD Pocket would be competing with a shit load of tablets which you can get a keyboard cover with.   That includes all the cheap Cherry Trail Chinese tablets on the market now and even the Microsoft Surface 3 which you can buy for $399 from Walmart.  IF the GPD Pocket were pocketable, then ok, yes it would have a niche for those that want a pocketable UMPC . But with it's 7" screen, lets be honest , that is not going to be pocketable.   And because of it's width , you wouldn't be able to thumb type on it.

So how would the GPD Pocket compare to Cherry Trial tablets + Keyboard cover on the market now.   Not well. 

Just compare the GPD Pocket  to the most expensive competitor and see how it stacks up


MS Surface 3                              GPD Pocket

$399                                          ?  Probably the same as the WIN $360
Z8700                                        Z8700
10" screen                                  7" screen
Large Keyboard with Track Pad       Small Keyboard with no trackpad
Transportable in a bag                   Transportable in a bag
3.5MP front-facing camera             ?
8.0MP rear-facing camera              ?
Stereo speakers with Dolby            ?


It doesn't even Compete with Microsofts Surface 3 which is getting Cheaper as time goes on.   Then there are all the 10" Z8700 Chinese tablets with keyboard covers which are dirt cheap.


Why would you launch the GPD Pocket into that market.

Also, as others have mentioned, why on earth does the GPD Pocket have a large Power button where the Backspace should be .  And I notice the backspace is actually near the space bar.   This has got to be the worst designed keyboard I have seen in a long while.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 08:49:33 pm by vcoleiro1 »

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2017, 11:26:51 pm »
Very interested,

And this is kind of serendipitous. I've been searching for something exactly like this. I love my WIN for gaming, but being a writer/musician, I've been searching for a netbook style/7 inch small laptop for a while. I had a surface, but it's attachable keyboard stand flops and the fixed angles never satisfied me. Tablets with stands aren't great for quickly jotting a paragraph or two on your lap/on the go, and most older netbooks are way too underpowered to run modern browser based Google Docs and editing software. I want a windows based machine as most of the software I use is win/osx only, so mobile devices are out. So count me very interested, as long as the keyboard is useable.

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2017, 02:38:12 am »
the hell what other say..i want it...take my money :)....come on, its clearly not for gaming...so stop complain about "why there is no gamepad" thing...give input about the keyboard or button design

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Re: What do you think of this new 7 inch laptop?
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2017, 09:01:40 am »
I am not interested in this device and wouldn't buy it without some changes. Note that your pictures in post 1 don't load for me so I can't see what everyone else is seeing however if it is netbook-like then that's enough information.

The key difference between a UMPC and a netbook in my opinion is whether you can get all 10 fingers on the keyboard. Early Netbooks smaller than 10" failed pretty badly as you couldn't do that. 10" seems to be the minimum that's comfortable to use like that. UMPCs on the other hand are maybe 6" and smaller so you can thumb-type effectively. UMPCs are the category I love that died out and Netbooks are the one that I really hated.

If you brought the size down so thumb-typing is possible and enjoyable I could maybe find a use, though let's be honest, I'd struggle to justify buying something with the same specs as the Win when I already own one. Bump it up to 8GB of RAM, make the storage replaceable and throw in a core M CPU and it's a more interesting product from a performance perspective. If I really had my way I'd add Thunderbolt 3 or USB-C with displayport alternate mode so I could dock this device and get a proper keyboard/monitors when at a desk.
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