Poll

Which CPU do you wish for the GPD Win2?

CoreM: 100% faster than Win1, more expensive (Win2 would be $500).
53 (91.4%)
N4200: 15% faster than Win1, less expensive (Win2 would be $400).
5 (8.6%)

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Author Topic: [Poll] GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?  (Read 5977 times)

baka-neko (OP)

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[Poll] GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« on: February 26, 2017, 03:43:29 pm »
GPD is considering the Apollo Lake N4200 (6w) for the Win2, which have similar performance as the z8700 on the current Win1 (around 15% faster) and don't make sense for an upgrade ($100 more expensive than z8700, so the Win2 would be at around $400).

The Kaby Lake Core M3-7Y30 (7w) on other hand is much faster and would be a great upgrade (around 100% faster), but will require a premium price for the Win2 ($200 more expensive than z8700, so the Win2 would be at around $500).

So, is your priority performance or price for the Win2? Please answer this poll. Thanks!
« Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 07:04:24 pm by baka-neko »

Pintek

Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2017, 04:18:13 pm »
Can I have a option for neither.

Think gpd needs to wait to rush a refresh of the win to see if intel is gonna bomb the prices of their chips with amd ryzen from the ashes.

Yes I know ryzen an likely a ryzen apu will be higher tpd but might as well try to fit 12-15tpd cooling solution in the win.

skelton

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Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2017, 04:20:16 pm »
I would personally never buy a console or a handheld at that price, no matter how powerful it is (and less coming from a chinese company). But probably because the things I play doesn't need that extra power and modern AAA games I prefer to play them in my laptop or ps4 for a better experience.
In fact for my emulation needs GPD win is enough. Ps2 is quite bad, but a core m3 doesn't play ps2 great either, so...

however, GPD has it easy, make a "cheap" apollo lake model and a premium wirh core m3 for people that can pay it.
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Willburn

Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2017, 04:38:39 pm »
Hell yea, I'm ready to dish out 500 bucks for a core m win2! Just make sure the build quality is good though.. if I buy something for 500-600 I want to have a damn near perfect product.

redlemon

Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2017, 05:18:33 pm »
The GPD Win is already too expensive for me to be honest. I may still buy one but the Win is a lot of money for something that's not going to ever have great QC. In fact even though I love clamshell designs I'd like a more budget model x86 gaming handheld with a simpler case to sell alongside the win.

Neuromant

Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2017, 05:30:18 pm »
I think this questionnaire is a bit limited. What's the power consumption of these processors? What's the heat output? Can they even be used in the form factor of GPD Win without burning it down like a combustible lemon in a house? How much more battery power will they use compared to z8750?

Willburn

Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2017, 05:32:08 pm »
I think this questionnaire is a bit limited. What's the power consumption of these processors? What's the heat output? Can they even be used in the form factor of GPD Win without burning it down like a combustible lemon in a house? How much more battery power will they use compared to z8750?

You can easily look up all of those things with Google.

Phawx

Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2017, 05:43:17 pm »
I think this questionnaire is a bit limited. What's the power consumption of these processors? What's the heat output? Can they even be used in the form factor of GPD Win without burning it down like a combustible lemon in a house? How much more battery power will they use compared to z8750?

N4200 = 6w

Core m3-7Y30 = 7w

N4200 is quadcore = not necessary for gaming or emulation

Core m3-7Y30 = Dual Core with higher single threaded frequency and better gpu

The Teclast X5 Pro use the Core m3-7Y30, it has a 5000 mAh battery and lasts four hours. (GPDwin has 6700 mAh battery)

Go look up gaming benchmark of the X5 Pro on youtube, it crushes GPDwin.


I'm potentially getting an X5 Pro by early next month.  I'll post some emulation videos so you can see.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQtEmsLPVDU

Compare his Counter Strike framerate to my videos and he's getting 2x the performance at a negligible higher resoultion.

He is running 1280x768 and I ran mine at 1280x720.  Also I put in whatever tweaks to help it run better and it looks like he's just running stock settings.

So more than double the performance in games, and potentially in the same TDP because of two less CPU cores.

Core m3-7Y30 costs $100 more than N4200 if you buy chips x1000.

Also N4200 costs $120 more than z8700/z8750.

So people who are thinking that N4200 is going to be same price as GPDwin are going to be in for a bad time.  $450~ for GPDwin2 with N4200 and only 15%~ better performance OR $550~ for GPDwin2 with Core m3-7Y30 and 100%+~ performance in games.

There really shouldn't be an argument for Core m3-7Y30.  If people think GPDwin is too expensive now, the N4200 is going to be MORE expensive. 

Here's a comparison on Intel's website itself:

https://ark.intel.com/compare/95449,95592

Core m3-7Y30 destroys N4200
« Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 06:02:39 pm by Phawx »

baka-neko (OP)

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Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2017, 06:23:48 pm »
Thanks @Phawx for the details. I've updated post 1 and the poll with the new information.

skelton

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Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2017, 06:38:26 pm »

The idea of GPD from what they told me is to keep a similar price than current GPD WIN.
However, I think the easy thing to do for GPD is to release two models with apollo lake and core m3 if possible. But I am not so sure that core m3 fits ok and keep them cold in a 6 inch device. The example of teclast x5 pro is ok, but is a 12,2 device.
Anyhow, device won't be released until 2018 being optimistic as far a I can tell, so who knows what SoC can actually include.
Personally, GPD WIN is almost enough for me, the only thing I miss is Demul and perfect PCSX2 with most titles, and I don't think that happens in a core m3 or apollo lake.
Anyhow, if they actually release a device of 500 or 600 bucks I personally am out. At that price I can get an XONE and a Switch and sav some money xD
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baka-neko (OP)

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Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2017, 06:53:44 pm »
@skelton:

Well, if they were planning to release the Win2 at $300 using the N4200, then the CoreM version would be at just $420 as the difference in price between the 2 chips is around $120.

skelton

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Re: GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2017, 07:29:12 pm »
@skelton:

Well, if they were planning to release the Win2 at $300 using the N4200, then the CoreM version would be at just $420 as the difference in price between the 2 chips is around $120.

It could be, considering that device will be for next year I suppose the chips will be cheaoer by then I guess.
I think is the easier thing to do for them, Just a crowdfunding campaign with two versions and people can decide which one they want (or can afford it)
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vcoleiro1

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Re: [Poll] GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2017, 09:24:06 pm »
It's a bit premature to talk about SOCs just yet.  I know GPD may have alluded to working on a WIN 2, but that is something they always say with all their products - including the XD for that matter from pretty much day 1.   In reality , it will be some time before a WIN 2, end of next year at the very earliest and probably the year after.


As for the SOC , of all the components , it's the least of which if any that should be discussed now.  By the time it comes around - who knows what SOCs will be on the market.   There's a fair chance you wont be asking for any of the SOCs your discussing now

Phawx

Re: [Poll] GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2017, 10:03:38 pm »
It's a bit premature to talk about SOCs just yet.  I know GPD may have alluded to working on a WIN 2, but that is something they always say with all their products - including the XD for that matter from pretty much day 1.   In reality , it will be some time before a WIN 2, end of next year at the very earliest and probably the year after.


As for the SOC , of all the components , it's the least of which if any that should be discussed now.  By the time it comes around - who knows what SOCs will be on the market.   There's a fair chance you wont be asking for any of the SOCs your discussing now

Also agree. My main point from my other thread was more about having a discussion with the community because if they had last time, we could have avoided a lot of problems.  Like the 11th hour active heatsink fan, no L3/R3, etc.

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Re: [Poll] GPD Win2: Would you pay more for a CoreM?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2017, 01:02:14 am »
I'd rather they wait. They still have the Pocket and the XD2 to finish up and right now I don't think is a great time to settle on an SoC just yet. They should continue watching Intel and AMD for better (and hopefully cheaper) chips and release a successor in at least 2 years. Now that they have a the only Windows gaming UMPC on the market, I don't think they should worry too much about rushing out the next one as they literally have NO COMPETITION (no I don't count the Switch nor the Smach, hell the Smach and Switch are more competition for each other than the Win is). This time they should take their time with choosing specs AND with PROPERLY DESIGNING their Win 2. A nicer case, a better keyboard, better components and materials, etc.

 

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