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AVahne

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2018, 02:06:11 am »
I and I would assume a good quantity of the Asian market enjoy playing MMOs of various kinds on our Win 2s (PSO2 on Win 1 was also a nice surprise) and having to use an on screen keyboard for those would be cancer. Forget having to figure out how to pull up the keyboard in the first place, having one take up half the screen (and thus covering the text box) and then having to reach up to the screen to frantically peck something out in the middle of any kind of in-game situation....you may as well tell a guy to lop off all his fingers and slam his face onto his keyboard to type instead.
Again, if you just want a gamepad, you could just get a tablet with equivalent specs to whatever the Win 3 will use (I'm sure there will be plenty, just like with the previous Wins) and use one of them iPega things. Hell, you could essentially build your own handheld if you get a tablet and a Linx Vision 8 controller. Someone was able to mod the controller to connect via USB instead of the docking connector and then proceeded to use it for his portable big screen Vita TV handheld.
If GPD were to do a no-KB version (maybe call it the GPD Win Zero), it should be a side product line and NOT be the Win 3.  Making a drastic change to the Win line like removing the keyboard would alienate the vast majority of their consumer base.
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2018, 04:45:01 am »
I have an idea/suggestion for GPD...

Why not, just make GPD Win 3 into a 2-in-1 (Surface Book style, but with sort of a hinge design) with" virtually bezel-less screen, then everyone is happy :D

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2018, 09:23:43 am »
I have an idea/suggestion for GPD...

Why not, just make GPD Win 3 into a 2-in-1 (Surface Book style, but with sort of a hinge design) with" virtually bezel-less screen, then everyone is happy :D

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Because that's luxury and it comes at a price.  ;)

Also what are you going to do with the controllers?

You can't place them on the keyboard part and if you place them next to the screen the device is going to be much larger than it should be.


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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2018, 10:17:58 am »
Just think of it as...iControlPad with a dock for a little tablet screen to sit on.
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2018, 10:38:56 am »
Just think of it as...iControlPad with a dock for a little tablet screen to sit on.

I know what you mean but what's the point of it?

Is that what people want to replace their GPD Win?

I don't think so. Fix the battery/charging issue, improve the cooling and upgrade the CPU and we've got an affordable device again that can replace our GPD Win. If the performance is somewhere between the GPD Win and GPD Win 2 I'm happy with it.
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2018, 11:59:44 am »
There's no battery charging issue, afaik?
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2018, 12:33:23 pm »
There's no battery charging issue, afaik?

If a battery needs to be replaced within a year something is wrong. I don't believe it's just because of heat that it lost half of it's capacity within a year. I've replaced it with a Liter Energy battery from aliexpress that are supposed to be 6700mAh but only charges up to +/- 4500mAh. I asked the seller if this is right but got no answer. The battery percentage gauge is also not accurate with this battery.

I would've replaced it with a Sunda battery but can't find them anywhere and I also think it's going to be replaced again within a year because something is wrong.

This needs to be researched. Maybe it's just heat and an improved cooling fixes this. If the bottom of the case needs to be thicker for improved cooling that's fine for me.

I would also like a faster SD card reader and maybe 8 GB RAM. The 8 GB RAM I would only need if it's possible to run every Mednafen PSX game at full speed so I can load PSX multi disc games to the memory (fixes drive read delays).
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2018, 07:17:46 pm »
RE using Windows 8-10 without a keyboard, trust me it's a PITA. I was an early adopter of Bay Trail tablets and had wanted a Windows based gaming solution I could fit in my pocket for ages, before this I had touchscreen laptops so I was familiar with using Windows with touch gestures (and unlike everybody else I actually found it useful) and incorporated them into my normal OS usage.

The problem is that Windows is designed around KB and mouse input, although touch has been reasonably well retro-fitted into the OS it quickly becomes apparent that the many basic tasks and operations a user would perform during day to day use require KB and mouse to make them fast and intuitive. It's quite hard to explain but every time you have use a touch mouse (or analog stick mouse emulation) and/or go into the taskbar to manually bring up the touch keyboard (because it isn't always automatic like Android or IOS) it makes you want to use the device a little less - death by a million cuts so to speak. It becomes a chore to navigate and perform basic operations.
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2018, 03:11:47 pm »
I have an idea/suggestion for GPD...

Why not, just make GPD Win 3 into a 2-in-1 (Surface Book style, but with sort of a hinge design) with" virtually bezel-less screen, then everyone is happy :D

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Hahahahahahahahahuh?
Funny man! So you want to make a already expensive device a lot more expensive?
Why havent you bought a WIN 2 yet? Because it cost too much money right?
So adding a removable keyboard will be a buy while costing hundreds more?
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2018, 03:15:20 pm »
In GPD's case... thousands more! :D

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2018, 11:16:13 am »
my suggestions:

- Replaced batteries
- without plastic frames screen
- Aluminium shell (bottom too)
- color variants (Like 3DS have)
- cover that facilitates the replacement of parts
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2018, 11:05:06 pm »
Well...

I won't complain about the GPD Win 2 being a bit too expensive any more. I bought a nearly new GPD Win 2 second hand from a very nice guy on Discord thanks to Faust who told me about it. I never thought I would find one at the price I had to pay for it at least not so soon.  :)
 
Once you own a GPD Win 2 you don't really think about a GPD Win 3 because it is already a big improvement compared to the GPD Win.

But I still think that an upgraded GPD Win would be the better choice because not everyone is going to be as lucky as me and find a GPD Win 2 with an offer you can't refuse.  ;)
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I expect quallity of life improve other than just another performance boost.
 
- I think controller should be place on side of device seperate from main body similar to Nintendo Switch keep player hand away from the heat machine generate and even better if player can detachable this controller from the device.

- Battery , Harddisk and screen should easier to detachable in case of replacement.

- 7" screen no plastic frame. ( touch screen really hard to use with  5.5-inch screen consider this is laptop not smart phone)

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GPD removed the rumble feature... I mean what the hell kind of company is that? Sorry my language. Anyways, I am done with all these game consoles and manufacturers. I am selling my unreleased ALIEX GPD Win 1 and maybe even my Shield 2 prototype. If you want info PM me. good luck to all you GPD buyers... I am DONE...

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RE using Windows 8-10 without a keyboard, trust me it's a PITA. I was an early adopter of Bay Trail tablets and had wanted a Windows based gaming solution I could fit in my pocket for ages, before this I had touchscreen laptops so I was familiar with using Windows with touch gestures (and unlike everybody else I actually found it useful) and incorporated them into my normal OS usage.

The problem is that Windows is designed around KB and mouse input, although touch has been reasonably well retro-fitted into the OS it quickly becomes apparent that the many basic tasks and operations a user would perform during day to day use require KB and mouse to make them fast and intuitive. It's quite hard to explain but every time you have use a touch mouse (or analog stick mouse emulation) and/or go into the taskbar to manually bring up the touch keyboard (because it isn't always automatic like Android or IOS) it makes you want to use the device a little less - death by a million cuts so to speak. It becomes a chore to navigate and perform basic operations.

gonna give my 2 cents here its good to have more than one opinion on a subject. I to have spent a decent amount of time with keyboard less tablets the biggest problem that you have is mouse control something i fixed fairly quick with a program called  touch mouse pointer after the average keyboard stuff that you would do on a device that is gaming focused tends to not need the keyboard like that basic file operations and web browsing i personally never found that big of a problem for me. when i did need to do a lot of typing i would connect a bt keyboard and use that. if gpd created a tablet version of the win 2 or 3 it would be very simple to connect a bt keyboard to for wen you need to type a whole lot it which would be a fairly rare thing for you to have to do.

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I had a completely different experience, seriously would not bother using Windows without a keyboard at all as it just gets on my nerves. Every little hindrance annoys me as OS use should be seamless just like it is in every other device I own, I don't have to fiddle around bringing a touch keyboard up in any other OS and I don't want to start doing it in 2018. Carrying a BT keyboard around with me is even less appealing as well as time consuming and cumbersome.

Of course YMMV, if you want a decent cheap BT keyboard/touchpad the KKMoon ones are nice to use, particularly the 81 key version.
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Love the thread title   ;)

Anyhoo,  here's the deal in a nutshell from my perspective:

1.) Intel 10nm is garbage and will probably leave Intel without anything meaningful for any singular <10watt SoC in 2019

2.) The biggest "problem" for the GPD Win 2 now is lack of GPU resources.  That only gives us a few options (AND ALL of these options are 25-30 watts)

2a.) Amberlake + Nvidia MX150 (or MX250) = This is best combo but would have to cool two distinct places and makes device wider.

2b.) A single Intel solution available now, the 8109U.  This is IntelHD655 and has 128MB of EDRAM (fast cache for CPU + GPU) But GPD probably can't even buy this chip in small quantities 

2c.) AMD V1605B.  Last I heard about this was lack of support when working with OEM.  This could still happen but I think it's unlikely.

 So basically 2019 doesn't give that many options and if there was going to be a GPD Win 3 it would need a significantly better GPU to even qualify as a big enough upgrade.  And yes it would be more expensive than Win2.

The biggest problem here is the wattage.  The Win2 battery is pretty massive (~40Watt Hour).  If we used this same battery and ran it at 30watts (Probably have to go up to 14v or whatever, too many amps at 7.6v) the battery would only last 80 minutes.  Without going crazy, if we hit 60 watt hour battery, it would probably be the best trade off between battery life and weight.

For those wanting a cheaper Win2 there is already an option available.  It's the 3965Y: https://ark.intel.com/products/122698/Intel-Celeron-Processor-3965Y-2M-Cache-1-50-GHz-

This is mostly a 7y30 without Speedstep and a bit less cache.  It would still offer close to 60-100% more perf over Win1 and is the same socket as 7Y30 (Read: Should be pretty much drop in compatible with Win2 board)

On linux you could play a lot of Gamecube titles with MESA Vulkan drivers, but on Windows we still need to wait for improved drivers and integration on Dolphin.  OR just wait for VideoCommon to be updated on Dolphin and get DX12 support back in mainline Dolphin.

PS2 wouldn't be as good as Win2 proper, but some games would work.  Mostly the 3965Y should offer 60% of CPU perf compared to 7Y30.

But technically a 3965Y Win2 "Lite" edition could probably be priced around $425-450

Obviously this is just technical side of chips we'll be able to use when trying to forecast what is most likely going to happen.

For features, I'd like:

Clickable Analog Sticks L3/R3
Analog L2/R2
Get rid of mouse / xinput switch
Instead install Optical Mouse sensor like P2 (just include Right-click and scroll function somewhere)
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On linux you could play a lot of Gamecube titles with MESA Vulkan drivers, but on Windows we still need to wait for improved drivers and integration on Dolphin.  OR just wait for VideoCommon to be updated on Dolphin and get DX12 support back in mainline Dolphin.

The question is if there's ever going to be an Intel HD Graphics driver with Vulkan support. It's really getting annoying because the GPD Win had the hardware to support it but no Intel HD Graphics drivers to support it. Now that I own a GPD Win 2 the Vulkan support is broken in the drivers. The latest drviers do NOT work for me. It's probably because I don't use the latest Windows 10 build and nobody really cares at Intel if it works or not.  :(
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Vulkan drivers work in most emulators, only dolphin has some issues under windows (dpeending on the game). But on rpcs3 or retroarch vulkan works ok actually.
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Vulkan drivers work in most emulators, only dolphin has some issues under windows (dpeending on the game). But on rpcs3 or retroarch vulkan works ok actually.

Are you using the latest V25 drivers?

For me they don't work and it's still getting worse. With the first release it did break OpenGL and didn't load the Intel HD Graphics control panel. The second release didn't fix it. With the second release after installation and reboot I get asked again if I wan't to istall the drivers. It's an endless loop till I click "Cancel". Uninstall the drivers and go back to the last V24 drivers.  ???

Edit: I also did try to install them with the Windows hardware manager but it doesn't make any difference. No error message just not working as they should.
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