Author Topic: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything  (Read 9179 times)

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What do guys 'n' girls want in a/for GPD Win 3?

I wouldn't mind if GPD make two new GPD Wins.
My example description below. All just fun ideas, btw and as far as I know...GPD have ZERO plans to make any of the below.



1. GPD Win 3

Exactly the same form factor as Win 2, only much more powerful.
Stay with the 6 inch 720p screen and 8GB of RAM, but change all other specs.



2. GPD Win TAB 1

This will be a brand new GPD gaming device and can be seen as a spiritual successor to the Razer EDGE pro, only with a less powerful GPU and much smaller in overall size and obviously developed by GPD.
I want it to have the same specs as GPD Win 3, only the form factor will be in pure tablet form + have an 8 inch 1080p screen (with exactly the same size bezels as what Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 has, which is perfect, imo and not too thin) and have a slightly bigger battery.
Of course, it'll have a USB TYPE-C port but the good thing is it'll also have 2x USB 3.0 ports.

It'll be Wacom pen compatible, sold separately.

The thickness will be 8mm, so an ipega PG-9023 gamepad controller can easily be attached and connect via BT.
GPD should also design their own gamepad controller (included free in package) that attaches directly via the USB TYPE-C port (on the side like Gamevice does with iPads and Samsung Galaxy S(x) smartphones), so there's no input lag at all.

Lastly, GPD Win TAB 1 will have advance passive cooling technology.

Example images below. First pic is just the GPD Win TAB, which looks just like every other tablet with an 8 inch screen.
And the second pic is with an ipega gamepad controller (PG-9083, not PG-9023) attached to it (just pretend the tablet is black lol).








So, basically...

GPD Pocket = For UMPC enthusiast who want an 'almost pocketable' PC experience.

GPD Win = For gamers who want a pocketable UMPC with physical gaming controls and a keyboard built-in.

GPD Win TAB = For gamers out there who don't care about having a built-in keyboard (and built-in phyical gaming controls) and also want the freedom of having a pure tablet form factor around with an option to game via gamepad controller.
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Same form factor as win 2 and much more Powerful IS difficult. More Powerful IS a ryzen Apu but they are 25/15w so quite hard to keep it cool in that form factor. Anyway, i wouldn't expect a win 3 until 2020 being generous, so Who knows What Intel and AMD can offer at an affordable proceso by that time.

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Sony you going to buy a Win 3 or going to chicken out like the Win 2 saying its too expensive? ( which I 100% agree).
Its not going to be any cheaper thats for sure.

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I want the GPDwin3 to use a 7" screen, but with smaller bezels. You never realize how small a 6" screen is when ordering, until you have it in your hands. 6" is tiny.
If it has smaller bezels, the win3 can still be roughly the same size. Maybe a little bigger.
I want it to have better cooling, and if they're going to stuck with using SSDs, to use a 2280 ssd. They can do this by going back to a single motherboard. Even making the win3 3-4mm thicker.

If it were a single board, the microHDMI and mSD card could be where the m.2 door is, and the fan/heatsink could be thicker. and cool considerably better.
if the case was just 3-4mm thicker, the m.2 drive could go over the analog sticks (looking at it from the bottom).

A thunderbolt3 port.
More powerful package. This is where i want to say a ryzen ULP APU, but in reality, amd chips just suck at openGL which a lot of emulators still use. So we don't have any current cpu/apus that i'd be happy with atm. maybe intel can make a 4.5watt cpu with hd graphics with 48 or 72 "execution units". Pair that with 2400mhz LPDDR4 memory, and we'd have some serious gaming potential.

Now this one is for a small group of people...
Solder or "test" pads for USB2.0 -D and +D on the motherboard. For people like me that want to micro-mod the system. Personally i want to put a tiny usb NFC/RFID reader in it, right behind the LCD. There's space, i just don't have the usb points to solder to, that i know of.
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Two points:

1-First, that they must wait 5 years to sell the new one.

2-The new GPD must emulate at least PS3 perfectly.


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Unless Intel gets their asses in gear and perfects 10nm while having Raj's dGPU team help the iGPU team improve their crap AND releases a Core M3 soon that benefits from both those things, I think the only option between now and probably late 2019 or early 2020 for GPD to start designing the gen 3 products around would be a Ryzen APU. Maybe one of the embedded V1000 chips, preferably the V1605B so we can have a quad core chip with Vega 8 graphics at 12W. Their other 12W chip, the V1202B, doesn't seem like it would be a worthwhile upgrade over the 7Y30. I'm sure it's better...but not by that much. At least, not as much of a jump as going from the Z8700 to the 7Y30 was.
Anyway, it seems that GPD might be exploring the idea using an AMD chip, so I hope they'll be able to do it. And if they intend to release in 2019/2020 I'm sure they're probably already starting planning. If they realize that they need to go with a higher powered chip like the Ryzen, I would assume that R&D needs to begin NOW, at least, if they intend to release in 2020. Also I'll assume the Win 3 will definitely be bigger, maybe having the same dimensions as the GPD Pocket 1 & 2, but thicker.

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I'm sure it will be a while before they release the GPD Win 3.  But, I do not want AMD products, so they should wait until Intel develops a good processor for the next-gen of ultra-micro pcs.

A long time ago, I had a Sony Vaio netbook pc that had an AMD APU processor.  AMD discontinued support in the graphics drivers within 2 years of the product's release, along with Sony. (causing a non-backlit screen on the laptop)

Basically, I guess they *could* use AMD, but if they do, they should be very careful about making sure everything works with generic drivers, to improve the ultimate longevity of their device.  In my opinion, Intel doesn't seem to abandon their product as easily as AMD, and people always seem to come up with software modifications for Intel gpus.

I don't mean to hate, I just want to share my personal account of using AMD vs Intel processors.
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Win 3:
  • Put d-pad and analogue nubs back the right way around
  • Make L1&R1 analogue
  • Support a fully working version of Android

Tab1 - don't know, not interested in a tab.

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@Pleng

RE: Analogue placements...you want it back to the way it was like on the Win 1?

You reckon, it'd be possible for clickable L3 and R3 nubs/sticks?
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@Pleng

RE: Analogue placements...you want it back to the way it was like on the Win 1?

and every other portable device that's ever had d-pads, face buttons and analogue sticks, yes.

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You reckon, it'd be possible for clickable L3 and R3 nubs/sticks?

I don't see why not? But I'd choose a sensible layout over clickable nubs any day.

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2018, 04:40:30 pm »
Just the fact that the Nintendo Switch is doing Gangbusters should be proof that form factor will sell. And there are thousands of windows games that do not need a native keyboard. Just add a button that will pull up an on screen keyboard and bam... At least that is my opinion.

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2018, 10:22:52 am »
@SONY i love your idea for the GPD Win3 and Tab1, it would be nice to have a bigger screen 7 or 8 inch. if only they'll make a GPD Win 3 XL with clickable L3 and R3...

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2018, 12:29:36 pm »
For the Win 3, I think they should start to move it away from the slimline clamshell design - they already have the Pocket ticking that box. The Win 3 should be just about games and have higher quality controls (including clickable sticks) and better comfort in the hands.

I'd like them to take inspiration from a form factor like the original nVidia Shield Portable; something that sits nicely in your grip and has plenty of room for proper controls. I admit they'd have to make some sacrifices to get the full keyboard in :)

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2018, 01:55:54 am »
Get the cost down. That would be the biggest  help :)

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2018, 11:29:19 am »
Rather than a more powerful win I'd like a cheaper atom based version of the Win 2. The current win is fine for me in terms of performance but the heating problems means I only ever plat it for maybe half an hour at a time. For what I want to play on the Win (VN, RPGMaker games and indie games) the massive increase in price isn't worth it.

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2018, 10:54:19 pm »
I've skipped Win2 because it's just too expensive.

My Win3 wish list:
- Cheaper
- Clickable L3/R3
- Dpad/analogue in the right place
- Bigger screen
- Bigger battery
- No keyboard (just some extra buttons to map and a virtual keyboard)

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2018, 11:10:22 pm »
Cheaper is not happening, sorry

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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2018, 11:15:34 pm »
Cheaper is not happening, sorry

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It could.
Just have worse performance (or simply don't improve performance over the Win 2 at all, rendering it pointless), use all cheap quality plastic (as in, plastic bag tier), and don't do any kind of QC. Also completely shut down any kind of customer service at all. People are already having a lot of issues with GPD's level of "customer service", but it does technically exist. But for the "Win 3", don't have any customer service at all. Also, don't accept returns. Period.
That should make the "Win 3" cheaper. That's what these people wanted, right?
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2018, 11:25:03 pm »
Rather than a more powerful win I'd like a cheaper atom based version of the Win 2. The current win is fine for me in terms of performance but the heating problems means I only ever plat it for maybe half an hour at a time. For what I want to play on the Win (VN, RPGMaker games and indie games) the massive increase in price isn't worth it.
For a company like GPD, designing a new board and opening another production line (and maintaining any form of "support") for a lower tier product might not be worth it. Our best bet for a weaker Win 2 alternative (that's not the now out-of-production Win 1) would be for another Chinese factory to step in to make a clone, just like how the Pocket now has two clones.
A Win clone with the TopJoy Falcon's specs could actually be a pretty cool alternative (just as long as it doesn't fall apart). The Falcon's specs are an Intel Pentium Silver N5000 (basically current gen Atom, just with a new name to hide the fact that it's an Atom) and 8 GB RAM, which would make it a good deal slower than the Win 2, but would still be faster than the Win 1. If someone could do that at maybe $300-350, that might be fair.
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Re: GPD Win 3 & GPD Win TAB 1 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2018, 12:48:13 am »
Yes, a company can cloan and make cheaper, but a device called GPD Win 3 will not be cheap. Hopefully a new contender will arive and help open the market, but I'm not holding my breath.

And that is coming from someone who is invested in Devices I will never see.

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