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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1920 on: February 08, 2018, 05:10:03 am »
They are just place holder prices.  Pre-orders have not begun yet
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1921 on: February 08, 2018, 03:00:50 pm »
This guy managed to get Doom looks much better than in Phawx and Mobimaniak videos with decent framerate:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTZ1QjCL5-0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTZ1QjCL5-0</a>
I'm glad I've picked up Doom at Steam New Year sale :D.

Keyboard overview from Liliputing:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7o7ATJxql4" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7o7ATJxql4</a>

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1922 on: February 09, 2018, 03:00:33 am »
https://liliputing.com/2018/02/t-bao-tbook-x8s-pro-is-an-apollo-lake-laptop-with-nvidia-graphics.html

Looks like a low powered CPU / GPU mashup can be done. I had never seen an Apollo Lake or Core M paired with a GPU. Also, not a bad price for that notebook, I could see one of those flash sales bringing it to 200/250- that'd be a great deal.



Maybe we could get a MX110 or MX130 for the GPD Win 3 bundled with an Apollo Lake CPU or Core M CPU. Probably won't happen, but at least someone out there is proving it can be done. Although you'd need 2 fans, a dedicated low watt Nvidia could be pretty cool in a handheld.  8)

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1923 on: February 09, 2018, 04:25:40 am »
Power draw is still too high for use in a handheld. For something that you'll be putting in your pocket, you can't really go over 10W unless you want a lava stone. And the Win 2 barely fits ONE fan/heatsink in its chassis, two fans wouldn't be feasible.

For small devices like this, discrete graphics just isn't an option. We can only keep waiting for more options from Intel and AMD with better integrated graphics.



Incidentally the smallest laptops I have with discrete graphics is my 10 inch Asus EeePC 1015PN and even that isn't big enough to properly house a discrete GPU.
Then again the technology we have today could definitely create a mini gaming laptop at 10".....

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1924 on: February 09, 2018, 03:56:41 pm »
Power draw is still too high for use in a handheld. For something that you'll be putting in your pocket, you can't really go over 10W unless you want a lava stone. And the Win 2 barely fits ONE fan/heatsink in its chassis, two fans wouldn't be feasible.

For small devices like this, discrete graphics just isn't an option. We can only keep waiting for more options from Intel and AMD with better integrated graphics.



Incidentally the smallest laptops I have with discrete graphics is my 10 inch Asus EeePC 1015PN and even that isn't big enough to properly house a discrete GPU.
Then again the technology we have today could definitely create a mini gaming laptop at 10".....
I know it is a long shot and not probable, this was more of just a "Look someone else actually did it"

I still think with a low enough TDP and a properly designed cooling system (2 fans *COULD* work, but it'd have to be designed that way- think more GPD Pocket instead of Win body style) you could see a low end GPU work, but as an advocate for the use of a fully TDP down'd Intel Iris unit, I'm already of the mindset that would work best as well. It's just good to see other options. Who knows what GPD is able to get ahold of and test that we aren't privy to?

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1925 on: February 09, 2018, 06:13:04 pm »
I think in the nearest month the first thing they will test is the Chinese New Year vacation sites :D

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1926 on: February 09, 2018, 07:48:16 pm »
I think it's a pointless chase. Even if Win 3 will feature low-end discrete GPU, people still would complain that it can't play latest AAA PC titles at high/ultra settings with 60 fps. And that it's too much expensive for a handheld. And it's less portable than Win 2 (presumably, looking to what Smach Z tends to offer). And it heats up so easily, even with additional fans. And battery life is weak. And so on and on and on...

Lets admit that our expectations and demands from a product as end-users will always outstrip the technical possibilities of realisation, and enjoy what we can have now.
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1927 on: February 10, 2018, 03:55:30 pm »
I think it's a pointless chase. Even if Win 3 will feature low-end discrete GPU, people still would complain that it can't play latest AAA PC titles at high/ultra settings with 60 fps. And that it's too much expensive for a handheld. And it's less portable than Win 2 (presumably, looking to what Smach Z tends to offer). And it heats up so easily, even with additional fans. And battery life is weak. And so on and on and on...

Lets admit that our expectations and demands from a product as end-users will always outstrip the technical possibilities of realisation, and enjoy what we can have now.

I don't know, people know they have to expect lesser quality from a handheld device, and this handheld in particular is all about pushing the boundaries of what you actually -can- expect from a handheld. Besides, if GPD plans on making these every year or two and doing refreshes (only going off the Win 1 and 2 data for this guess) They could either just update the chip they already have with each passing generation, or they keep pushing the envelope on power. They have to look somewhere for that power, and right now an i5 w/ tdp down and hopefully Iris (though even a regular i5 would probably be a good upgrade) or a low powered chip with a low end discrete GPU look to be decent ways forward. In any case, speculating on the next revision is fun, and this was again more informational that at least the option is there.

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1928 on: February 13, 2018, 07:02:42 pm »
I think it's a pointless chase. Even if Win 3 will feature low-end discrete GPU, people still would complain that it can't play latest AAA PC titles at high/ultra settings with 60 fps.

  No problem is elsewhere this is gaming device and Intel HD is not really GPU to gaming- its too slow (switch is 2x cheaper and still faster because of better GPU), never was, drivers even for older games are usually worse that those from AMD or even Nvidia.

  I think that we really need something with Iris GPU from Intel or AMD APU.

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1929 on: February 15, 2018, 06:39:06 am »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymW4WIfVeZg" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymW4WIfVeZg</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpWi4nUK6zY" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpWi4nUK6zY</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OxwDRLLe8Y" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OxwDRLLe8Y</a>
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1930 on: February 17, 2018, 08:52:48 pm »
@Drem

Could you please, please post/keep all videos in one thread/place, because I don't want to have to sift through 100+ pages looking for Win 2 vids.
To give you an example, everyone should put PC Games Sales related posts in your "PC Games Sales': Super Collector Edition" thread/topic.

And I also can't be bothered searching on YT or googling.

https://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-windows-devices/win-2-videos/msg174460/#new
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1931 on: February 19, 2018, 06:51:46 am »
I think it's a pointless chase. Even if Win 3 will feature low-end discrete GPU, people still would complain that it can't play latest AAA PC titles at high/ultra settings with 60 fps. And that it's too much expensive for a handheld. And it's less portable than Win 2 (presumably, looking to what Smach Z tends to offer). And it heats up so easily, even with additional fans. And battery life is weak. And so on and on and on...

Lets admit that our expectations and demands from a product as end-users will always outstrip the technical possibilities of realisation, and enjoy what we can have now.

Nah. If gpd win 3 continues the pattern of 1 and 2. People will complain that it jumped another 100%.
gpd xd - $150
gpd win - $330
gpd win 2 - $650/700
gpd win 3 - $1200-1300 (gasp!)

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« Reply #1932 on: February 19, 2018, 07:01:47 am »
GPD Win 321 = $1m
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1933 on: February 19, 2018, 08:56:38 am »
Nah. If gpd win 3 continues the pattern of 1 and 2. People will complain that it jumped another 100%.
gpd xd - $150
gpd win - $330
gpd win 2 - $650/700
gpd win 3 - $1200-1300 (gasp!)

Not so unrealistic actually if hypothetically GPD will manage to somehow squeeze dedicated graphics into the next iteration  ;D

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1934 on: February 19, 2018, 09:42:31 am »
I have owned in the past the GPD Win 1, Open Pandora and Shield Portable, Except from the GPD (Being new) I have had the LCD screen on them go because of the ribbon, I am a little wary of this now, The Shield is dead weight because you cant buy parts for it anymore, Anyone else worry about this?

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1935 on: February 19, 2018, 07:29:50 pm »
I have owned in the past the GPD Win 1, Open Pandora and Shield Portable, Except from the GPD (Being new) I have had the LCD screen on them go because of the ribbon, I am a little wary of this now, The Shield is dead weight because you cant buy parts for it anymore, Anyone else worry about this?

I'm not worried, because I'm pretty sure that the Win 2's build quality, inside (ribbon and all) and outside is amazing. 💯
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1936 on: February 20, 2018, 01:03:57 pm »
https://liliputing.com/2018/02/t-bao-tbook-x8s-pro-is-an-apollo-lake-laptop-with-nvidia-graphics.html
Maybe we could get a MX110 or MX130 for the GPD Win 3 bundled with an Apollo Lake CPU or Core M CPU. Probably won't happen, but at least someone out there is proving it can be done. Although you'd need 2 fans, a dedicated low watt Nvidia could be pretty cool in a handheld.  8)

While glimpsing over here now and then, i have to comment on the current line of thoughts...

I consider this thinking over a discrete GPU or similar ideas... highly bizarre, if not stupid.
What advantage shall that bring? Grouping a highly overpriced SoC which already has an GPU with another extra GPU
that adds on costs and complexity. Even two fans are in thought.
Complete BS.

While i skipped the Win2 for its to expensive SoC, ( which could have been a i5-7y57 instead of M3-7y30 for ~10$ more ),
i wonder why no one is looking for AMD ? ???

Thats all we need. Their 15W Ryzen/Vega combination, should declassify every Intel-C..p, and even offer
GPU-Drivers best suited for gaming, getting all out of the machine.

They have an configurerable TDP which also gets down to 7W.
And  the SoC, might just be half the costs of the current one in the Win2, by having much higher perfomance in Graphics and a bit in processing power.

So the engineers are left with 2 issues...
Can we get the cooling so improved to enable 15W while in charging mode
and is there a way to integrate HBM2-Type memory?

Thats what i would wish for in the Win3:

- If possible: clickable Sticks.
- Manual fan switch like in Win1, so it can stop sucking dust when just browsing, playing MP3 or Videos.
- A 1920x1080p Panel, should be similar cheap to the current, because of massproduction in smartphones.
- That AMD Ryzen SoC - With either 8-12 GB HBM(2) OR 12-16 GB of DDR4 Ram (either fast or large),
  so the grahic can use up to 6 GB without being bottlenecked by System Memory.

The current Win2-Design is very good in my eyes, it should just be reused or little improved.

Please stop this, we need an extra discrete GPU, its getting us nowhere, and think of whats being able at hands,
without throwing out US$ 300-400 for the overpriced Intel-SoC.
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1937 on: February 20, 2018, 01:11:21 pm »
You could also offer a second cheaper version without integrated M2-SSD, so everone could buy/use/reuse
what they might have left over from their Win2, or other hardware purchases.
Just supply a serial Number or Downloadlink for the Win10 (image) then, and thats it.
Wouldn?t that be worth a thought?

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1938 on: February 20, 2018, 08:06:32 pm »
So to answer a few of your questions. 

7Y30 is used because it's the only option available.  GPD doesn't have the funds to place a bulk order with Intel for any chip they want.  7Y30 is the only chip that is *cheap* and available in *low quantity*

GPD doesn't pay $291 for the chip.  We don't know how much they pay but estimates are around $160.

AMD wasn't an option because they *still* don't technically have anything sub-15w available.  And the Win2 does not cool 12w-15w very well.

People that are talking about dGPU are just daydreaming.  Don't read too much into it.

The reason there is only *one* version of the Win2 is because of cost/complexity.  GPD is a small company and reducing complexity allows them to have greater velocity when assembling.  That's the main reason.  Talking about multiple versions and tiers isn't something GPD can do at the moment.  It just adds costs/complexity for benefit to consumer and all detriment to themselves when selling a niche device.

The Win2 will most likely sell <100k units.  Which would be a massive success for GPD but those numbers would be a gigantic failure for any big company.  The IGG might only *just* get up to 4k units.

Additionally, provided the Win2 does well enough that GPD can consider to do a Win3, I feel AMD will be an appropriate avenue to explore and would be amazing if we could leverage HBM3 memory in 2020.

Right now, The Win2 is a really amazing device at 7 watts.  (I personally recommend undervolting and hitting 8.25w)

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #1939 on: February 21, 2018, 02:59:39 am »
Sorry guys, I didn't realize we couldn't talk about anything else except AMD APU's for the future anymore. I'll refrain from posting any other cool alternative that may come up, even if it was always stated that it probably wouldn't happen, and was just for fun.

 

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