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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2016, 04:02:17 am »
Your idea will make this too top-heavy. It'll put so much stress on the hinges.
Battery is on the bottom for a reason.
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2016, 05:57:27 am »
plenty of slate designs place the battery behind the screen.  This isn't untraveled  territory.  The reasoning he has is sound, and this isn't a laptop, its a handheld, so yea, it would be screen heavy, but tradeoffs with our current level of tech to get an optimal design for the wants.  You literally can't have everything you want, but top heavy for longer battery life and better cooling with a stronger SoC? Im definitely seeing the benefit far outweigh any con.

Phawx (OP)

Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2016, 05:58:36 am »
Your idea will make this too top-heavy. It'll put so much stress on the hinges.
Battery is on the bottom for a reason.

The battery on the bottom is also a big contributor to the GPDwin getting hot while in use or even just charging.  The heatsink is above the PCB and below the Keyboard on the GPDwin.

Additionally, if any successor to the GPDWin comes out, it's going to need a bigger battery.  There is nothing coming to the market within 2 years that is projected for the TDP of the z8700 that is also going to be an appreciable upgrade.

Either we look at what AMD brings with Raven Ridge in 14watts or we look at the best Intel has which is that Kaby Lake 7500U I posted just before, also at 14w (it's configurable, but 14watt should be good)

But that means we are easily in the range of needing 3x more energy.  Which means we need to increase the capacity of the battery to the 20,000mAh range just to have the same battery life we have now.

And if you are going to shove a 20,000mAh battery on the bottom of the device, where is the heatsink+fan going to go? 

At least with the battery behind the LCD, the design constraint is based on building a better hinge.  Also, it's not like it hasn't been done before.  All 2-in-1 laptops are this very design.  The full tablet get put on a massive hinge for a keyboard attachment.  Again, it's not like it hasn't been done before.
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2016, 06:59:26 am »
@Phawx

The problem as SONY pointed out, is that a 20,000 mAh battery has a significant weight.  If it were behind the screen , then the screen would be twisting trying to twist the device out of your hands.  I looked up a 20000 mAh  portable battery, it weighs 338 grams, then there is the screen and screen case.  Thats's the entire current WIN weight,  hanging off the top edge of the controller bit of the console. It would be nice to have a huge battery, but I don't see how that's going to work behind the screen given it's weight and how it will be counter leveraging the console out of you hands. 
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redlemon

Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2016, 11:07:20 am »
I wouldn't mind a 7-8 inch version similar to how they'd make two android handhelds with the same chip inside. I have a linx vision and I wouldn't mind a similar device from gpd since the linx has a few flaws like a 32bit OS and controller backlights you can't turn off.

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2016, 11:14:41 am »
I personally if they keep the size is good for me. I don't want a 7 or 8 inch device. That's not a handheld, more a portable device. And small size is essential to me. I have a shield tablet + ipega9023 and is a monster size, and uncofrtable to use for me.
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2016, 11:54:49 am »
I love the win as a first attempt and has made me very happy(with a few tweaks to get it working better, however I like phawx new idea, but 5 " is better for me. However has anyone seen this

https://youtu.be/zWtCT9yAAO8

Just a thought. But gotta say I love my win at the moment.

AVahne

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2016, 02:05:15 pm »
At 7", forget pocketability,especially with the specs you're wanting this would end being really thick. It would probably end up rivaling the HTC Shift or netbooks. Also, if you want to go this big while keeping both keyboard and gamepad, you're not going to want a centered keyboard. On a 7" device, a centered keyboard would need larger keys to be comfortable to use, which would clash with the space needed for the game controls. Also, even if you removed the gamepad to make this exactly like a netbook, thumb typing just wouldn't be very comfortable. Instead it would confuse people as whether they should be thumb typing or touch typing, just like HPCs and certain UMPCs of old.
Instead, for a device this massive with both kb and gpad, I would recommend a split keyboard. It would allow for the keys to stay small enough to allow room for the gpad to exist, yet easily accessible on both sides without having to need to shift your grip. It would take some getting used to, but if people can sorta get used to using the Wibrain or Q1UP's kb, this shouldn't be as big of a problem.
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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2016, 02:56:48 pm »
Stereo speakers. Maybe a slightly better keyboard layout. 8+GB of ram. That's really all I care about.

7" screen would be horrendous. That'd completely ruin the pocketability.

Phawx (OP)

Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2016, 05:47:18 pm »
You guys are way over-estimating the size. A 7" screen with minimal border would be the same width as the PS Vita in a clamshell device. It would be a little taller than a PS vita and depending on battery size it would thicker to varying degrees.

The GPD Win right now in the same cavity can support a 6.2" screen, with little border obviously.

So when you guys say it will kill pocketibility, it would be alightly larger than it is now.

For the record, I don't find the 3DS Xl, GPD win or the PS Vita "pocketable" so having a slightly larger device isn't a huge concern for me.

Having said that, in keeping the same dimensions and screen size currently, it would be easy enough to put stereo speakers in the lcd housing and have them front firing.

The battery weight is a valid concern. Going down to a 12000-14000 mAh battery would be doable, but we'd have to use the Y series of Intel high end mobile parts.

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Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2016, 06:28:06 pm »
You guys are way over-estimating the size. A 7" screen with minimal border would be the same width as the PS Vita in a clamshell device. It would be a little taller than a PS vita and depending on battery size it would thicker to varying degrees.

The GPD Win right now in the same cavity can support a 6.2" screen, with little border obviously.

So when you guys say it will kill pocketibility, it would be alightly larger than it is now.

For the record, I don't find the 3DS Xl, GPD win or the PS Vita "pocketable" so having a slightly larger device isn't a huge concern for me.

Having said that, in keeping the same dimensions and screen size currently, it would be easy enough to put stereo speakers in the lcd housing and have them front firing.

The battery weight is a valid concern. Going down to a 12000-14000 mAh battery would be doable, but we'd have to use the Y series of Intel high end mobile parts.
Don't forget that the screen size is only for the screen,  you have everything that is coming beside, so much more bigger.

Phawx (OP)

Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2016, 09:47:39 pm »
You guys are way over-estimating the size. A 7" screen with minimal border would be the same width as the PS Vita in a clamshell device. It would be a little taller than a PS vita and depending on battery size it would thicker to varying degrees.

The GPD Win right now in the same cavity can support a 6.2" screen, with little border obviously.

So when you guys say it will kill pocketibility, it would be alightly larger than it is now.

For the record, I don't find the 3DS Xl, GPD win or the PS Vita "pocketable" so having a slightly larger device isn't a huge concern for me.

Having said that, in keeping the same dimensions and screen size currently, it would be easy enough to put stereo speakers in the lcd housing and have them front firing.

The battery weight is a valid concern. Going down to a 12000-14000 mAh battery would be doable, but we'd have to use the Y series of Intel high end mobile parts.
Don't forget that the screen size is only for the screen,  you have everything that is coming beside, so much more bigger.

Yes, I made sure to qualify my statement with regard to the border.  If it's not possible to have a thin border, than it's easy enough to scale down to 6-6.5" and only be a tiny bit larger.

Alternatively, keep the formfactor and just add speaker grills in the border of the GPD win now.

redlemon

Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2016, 11:24:26 am »
When I said a 7-8 inch device I wasn't talking about a literally a sized up GPD Win but something similar to the G7A or Q9 where its the same chipset as their smaller devices. An accompaniment as opposed to a successor device.

jimboton

Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2016, 12:17:25 pm »

  • 720p 7" LCD (maybe OLED if LG could produce) but most important is to get a display that supports Adaptive Sync (FreeSync) over eDP.  Also aim for 120Hz.  It would be ideal if the FreeSync range was 30-120Hz.




I like everything I read in the OP but this in particular is pretty moot if the controller polling rate isn't fixed as well.

What good is a 120hz refresh rate (or even 60) if the input is still going to be refreshed @20 Hz like it's happening in the current model?

Kayday

Re: GPD Win 2 features and suggestions to improve everything
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2016, 03:04:05 pm »
What would be cool if Pyra creator Michael and GPD did a collaboration together. Just imagine an Android/Linux/Windows handheld. I think a lot of people would purchase and support this. Take the best of both handhelds and fix/update them a little.