Author Topic: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device  (Read 65051 times)

Bjorg

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #280 on: January 25, 2016, 05:32:02 pm »
Hello,

I am not going to say anything not yet said. But here I go.

Being this a gaming machine I think it has sense to go for the X7-Z8750 or AMD A4-Micro-6400t, but also the Z8550 would perform ok, being cheaper, (cheaper than the AMD?)

4 (I initially said 2, I meant 2 on each side) shoulder buttons are essential to me too.

4 GB RAM sound amazing for a machine like this.

The microSD slot up to 128GB amazing too, please add one that supports current class cards and will be amazing.

Wifi and Bluetooth, amazing too.

If this machine would accept Linux I would buy it without blinking at the suggested price of 250$, and I sincerely think you would expand your potential target market by a huge margin, much beyond just gamers, also all kind of hackers (in the sense of people who like tinkering with machines)

Does Intel restrict in some way the number of OSs of their low end SoCs like these ones mentioned? I think adding support for Linux would not be a big deal, and would attract many customers.
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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #281 on: January 25, 2016, 05:41:43 pm »
This device can natively run any x86 Linux distro, as it has an x86 CPU and they are incredibly modular.
Those distros will not be optimized and might not run well, but they will run. Further optimizations are community dependent.

On another note, @kendyzhu777 does GPD has any plans for the charger? I would pay extra for a dock with a fan instead of just a regular charger.
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Bjorg

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #282 on: January 25, 2016, 07:04:59 pm »
I ask about the Linux compatibility becasue the Baytrail Z3735F and the Cherry Trail X5-Z8300 are known to have Linux compatibility issues, both have 32 bit UEFI that make quite difficult booting Linux on them, and also audio support issues, among others.

On the price subject, we have to keep in mind that the Teclast X16 Power with 8Gb RAM and Z8700 is less than 350$. 
http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_261672.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiArJe1BRDe_uz1uu-QjvYBEiQACUj6otILYVInEkk5j0KX6DgTKGmgCEsZj8Lp84b-3jQG5xQaAgwC8P8HAQ


And the Teclast X98 Pro with Z8500 and 4 GB RAM is less than 250$
http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_231367.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiArJe1BRDe_uz1uu-QjvYBEiQACUj6om1u6G8jeCudo9yuXSkm63DOJXSegtQOxjJPTBV6RKkaAmdU8P8HAQ
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redsky

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #283 on: January 26, 2016, 12:21:45 am »
Could someone please merge the 2 threads so we have one place talk?
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leafar

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #284 on: January 26, 2016, 12:34:09 am »
Quote from: redsky on January 26, 2016, 12:21:45 am
Could someone please merge the 2 threads so we have one place talk?
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Good Idea
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AVahne

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #285 on: January 26, 2016, 01:37:45 am »
Quote from: Bjorg on January 25, 2016, 07:04:59 pm
I ask about the Linux compatibility becasue the Baytrail Z3735F and the Cherry Trail X5-Z8300 are known to have Linux compatibility issues, both have 32 bit UEFI that make quite difficult booting Linux on them, and also audio support issues, among others.

On the price subject, we have to keep in mind that the Teclast X16 Power with 8Gb RAM and Z8700 is less than 350$. 
http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_261672.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiArJe1BRDe_uz1uu-QjvYBEiQACUj6otILYVInEkk5j0KX6DgTKGmgCEsZj8Lp84b-3jQG5xQaAgwC8P8HAQ


And the Teclast X98 Pro with Z8500 and 4 GB RAM is less than 250$
http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_231367.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiArJe1BRDe_uz1uu-QjvYBEiQACUj6om1u6G8jeCudo9yuXSkm63DOJXSegtQOxjJPTBV6RKkaAmdU8P8HAQ

I wonder if GPD could afford less than $300 for a hypothetical Z8750-powered version with 8 GB RAM. There won't be a camera (afaik) and they're using a waaaaaaaaaaay smaller battery than was the Teclast X16 has. Screen is also both much smaller and is half the resolution. I assume it'll have less sensors as well since I don't think we need gravity and motion sensors in a Windows handheld. I guess it all depends on just how much money it'll take for them to do the R&D for the gamepad+kb setup and to manufacture it.
Same goes for the current version we know of with the Z8550 and 4 GB RAM. I'm wondering if they would be able to knock the price down to $200 or at least under $250 since their screen is again smaller and MUCH lower resolution than the X98 Pro's and the battery is smaller.
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Crimson_V

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #286 on: January 27, 2016, 09:54:35 am »
Quote from: AVahne on January 26, 2016, 01:37:45 am
Quote from: Bjorg on January 25, 2016, 07:04:59 pm
I ask about the Linux compatibility becasue the Baytrail Z3735F and the Cherry Trail X5-Z8300 are known to have Linux compatibility issues, both have 32 bit UEFI that make quite difficult booting Linux on them, and also audio support issues, among others.

On the price subject, we have to keep in mind that the Teclast X16 Power with 8Gb RAM and Z8700 is less than 350$. 
http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_261672.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiArJe1BRDe_uz1uu-QjvYBEiQACUj6otILYVInEkk5j0KX6DgTKGmgCEsZj8Lp84b-3jQG5xQaAgwC8P8HAQ


And the Teclast X98 Pro with Z8500 and 4 GB RAM is less than 250$
http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_231367.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiArJe1BRDe_uz1uu-QjvYBEiQACUj6om1u6G8jeCudo9yuXSkm63DOJXSegtQOxjJPTBV6RKkaAmdU8P8HAQ

I wonder if GPD could afford less than c300 for a hypothetical Z8750-powered version with 8 GB RAM. There won't be a camera (afaik) and they're using a waaaaaaaaaaay smaller battery than was the Teclast X16 has. Screen is also both much smaller and is half the resolution. I assume it'll have less sensors as well since I don't think we need gravity and motion sensors in a Windows handheld. I guess it all depends on just how much money it'll take for them to do the R&D for the gamepad+kb setup and to manufacture it.
Same goes for the current version we know of with the Z8550 and 4 GB RAM. I'm wondering if they would be able to knock the price down to $200 or at least under $250 since their screen is again smaller and MUCH lower resolution than the X98 Pro's and the battery is smaller.

8GB ram isn't needed, very few modern AAA games use more then 4 gigs of ram at very high settings (games that this device would never be able to run), the Z8750 only costs $7 more then the Z8550 and has a way more powerful 'gpu' yet people are way too stingy, so that won't happen either.
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Volo

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #287 on: January 31, 2016, 08:58:33 pm »
Can you try to cram in SEGA (or N64) 6-button layout into the concept?
Not unlike you did with your G7 model:
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Bjorg

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #288 on: February 01, 2016, 10:38:09 am »

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8GB ram isn't needed, very few modern AAA games use more then 4 gigs of ram at very high settings (games that this device would never be able to run), the Z8750 only costs $7 more then the Z8550 and has a way more powerful 'gpu' yet people are way too stingy, so that won't happen either.

I agree, and that looks to me, indeed, a very good point. Maybe the sweet spot would be Z8750 (which you say only costs $7) with 4GB RAM.
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Skrop

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #289 on: February 03, 2016, 01:43:50 am »
Quote from: Saber on January 18, 2016, 01:01:20 pm
Quote from: kendyzhu777 on January 18, 2016, 06:15:28 am
some detail specs about GPD-Win.
I/O port: 1?USB Type-C，1?USB(A) 3.0 ,HDMI D  Type （Micro HDMI） ,3.5mm Headset jack, TF card Maximum up to 128GB
Network: WIFI and bluetooth are both support.

Good selection of ports. USB-A is especially useful. :)

Agree with Deen0X about dual 2.4ghz/5ghz WiFi if possible.

I think this really does need to be reiterated as this device needs dual-band Wi-Fi.

AC would be nice but I don't see that happening.

Oh and Bluetooth 4 for those low powered connections.
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Smoker1

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Re: Preliminary concept design of Windows 10 handheld device
« Reply #290 on: February 24, 2016, 05:57:31 am »
GPD Win would be VERY nice. However, I agree that there should be some type of Dock/Grip with it, or also a Grip like what the 3DS has like a Silicon Grip so it will not be slippery or slide everywhere like my GPD XD does. The 3DS XL has plenty of Items that will work with it, but needs a LOT of Modding them. So yes, back to the point, there should be Items that will be exactly FOR the Device.
Also, would it be possible for the GPD Win to have a Digitizer so Users can use the Note Style S Pens or other Fine Point Pen Devices?
Finally, I am not sure if it is possible, but if it is finalized that it will have Android as the OS or Split OS, can there be a FM Chip in it that most/all Android Devices have and have it Enabled/Unlocked? HTC mentioned that the latest Update for the HTC Devices (HTC One M9) Disables the FM Chip so all it would be a a Software Driver/App/BIOS to run it.
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