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CllinW (OP)

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Help with choosing a device.
« on: April 28, 2015, 04:48:37 pm »
Hello everyone. I'm currently looking for a 7" android tablet with tactile controls. I have found and cannot choose between the jxd s7300c, the gpd q88+, or the archos gamepad 2. I want one mostly for emulating anything from the nes to dreamcast and gameboy to psp. I'm open to suggestions to devices, as well. I'd also like to note that I want the screen to be responsive enough that I can play the zelda titles on the ds.
Thanks in advance.

tiagao_extremo

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2015, 06:57:14 pm »
You could consider the Q9 from GPD, since it has the new SoC RK3288. But you really should avoid the JXD S7300c at all costs. Take a look at these Q9 reviews:

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/gpd-q9-review-in-progress-and-issues/

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/my-q9-review-%28text-don%27t-have-good-camera%29/

eragon2890

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2015, 01:06:14 am »
?Mostly for emulating? -> archos gamepad 2, hands down. I had it for a year before I got the Q9. It broke after just over a year of super intensive usage, but I seriously abused it almost . XD

Anyway, I love my Q9 for the insane game performance in android games, a lot of the high end ones like asphalt 8, the walking dead season 2, etc. are not (enyobly) playable on the gamepad 2 due to stone age era gpu, while everything I?ve tried, including super heavy stuff like san andreas at highest possible settings, runs very smoothly (almost always 60fps flat) on the Q9.

But if it?s just for emulation, the gamepad 2 wins because it?s screen is undeniably better and it runs emulators just as well. The screen means that it?s better for media usage as well. don?t get me wrong, the Q9 also makes for a quite decent and very fast media tablet, but it?s most attractive feature is it?s seriously insane game performance. Don?t need that -> get a gamepad 2 for the great screen. It?s a nice device for emulators, I had one for a year and played dozens of nes, snes, ds, gba, ps1, etc. games on it, from JRPGs? like ff3 and saga frontier 2 and xenogears to snes platformers to mario kart ds. Great device for that. :D

CllinW (OP)

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2015, 07:28:30 pm »
You could consider the Q9 from GPD, since it has the new SoC RK3288. But you really should avoid the JXD S7300c at all costs. Take a look at these Q9 reviews:

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/gpd-q9-review-in-progress-and-issues/

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/my-q9-review-%28text-don%27t-have-good-camera%29/
Why should I avoid the Jxd s7300c. Also, is the Q9 that good of an upgrade over the Q88+, because I found both of them on eBay for a $100 price difference.

CllinW (OP)

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2015, 07:35:04 pm »
?Mostly for emulating? -> archos gamepad 2, hands down. I had it for a year before I got the Q9. It broke after just over a year of super intensive usage, but I seriously abused it almost . XD

Anyway, I love my Q9 for the insane game performance in android games, a lot of the high end ones like asphalt 8, the walking dead season 2, etc. are not (enyobly) playable on the gamepad 2 due to stone age era gpu, while everything I?ve tried, including super heavy stuff like san andreas at highest possible settings, runs very smoothly (almost always 60fps flat) on the Q9.

But if it?s just for emulation, the gamepad 2 wins because it?s screen is undeniably better and it runs emulators just as well. The screen means that it?s better for media usage as well. don?t get me wrong, the Q9 also makes for a quite decent and very fast media tablet, but it?s most attractive feature is it?s seriously insane game performance. Don?t need that -> get a gamepad 2 for the great screen. It?s a nice device for emulators, I had one for a year and played dozens of nes, snes, ds, gba, ps1, etc. games on it, from JRPGs? like ff3 and saga frontier 2 and xenogears to snes platformers to mario kart ds. Great device for that. :D
I really like the way both of the tablets look and I like the portability factor but I can't find the Archos or Q9 for less than $200

eragon2890

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2015, 11:04:47 pm »
You could consider the Q9 from GPD, since it has the new SoC RK3288. But you really should avoid the JXD S7300c at all costs. Take a look at these Q9 reviews:

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/gpd-q9-review-in-progress-and-issues/

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/my-q9-review-%28text-don%27t-have-good-camera%29/
Why should I avoid the Jxd s7300c. Also, is the Q9 that good of an upgrade over the Q88+, because I found both of them on eBay for a $100 price difference.

Yeah, Q9 about 6 - 8 times faster 3d performance than q88. Buttons and screen and such are (apparently) the exact same, but the internal specs went from 4 1.6 GHZ cortex A9 cores with a (more important) mali 400 mp4 gpu (old, weak today), to 4 1.6 GHZ (not 1.8....) Cortex A17 cores with a (Hallejuhah~) mali T-764 GPU (Basically the fastest ARM gpu on the planet today, monstrous performance even more so on this 1024x600) screen. So yes it?s a huge upgrade, mostly on teh GPU side, so more for android games then for emulators. But in heavy-duty android games like asphalt 8, real racing 3, nova 3 and the like, the difference is day and night. If you want to play those: get a Q9.

Also, you can get a Q9 for 136 dollars here! http://www.geekbuying.com/item/GPD-Q9-7-inch-Android-4-4-Gamepad-RK3288-Quad-Core-Handheld-Game-Console-IPS-Screen-2GB-16GB-Game-Tablet-PC---Black-343436.html I got mine in 4 days and packaged to survive thermonuclear war...

eragon2890

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2015, 11:16:10 pm »
You could consider the Q9 from GPD, since it has the new SoC RK3288. But you really should avoid the JXD S7300c at all costs. Take a look at these Q9 reviews:

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/gpd-q9-review-in-progress-and-issues/

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/my-q9-review-%28text-don%27t-have-good-camera%29/
Why should I avoid the Jxd s7300c. Also, is the Q9 that good of an upgrade over the Q88+, because I found both of them on eBay for a $100 price difference.

CllinW (OP)

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2015, 11:55:31 pm »
You could consider the Q9 from GPD, since it has the new SoC RK3288. But you really should avoid the JXD S7300c at all costs. Take a look at these Q9 reviews:

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/gpd-q9-review-in-progress-and-issues/

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/my-q9-review-%28text-don%27t-have-good-camera%29/
Why should I avoid the Jxd s7300c. Also, is the Q9 that good of an upgrade over the Q88+, because I found both of them on eBay for a $100 price difference.

Yeah, Q9 about 6 - 8 times faster 3d performance than q88. Buttons and screen and such are (apparently) the exact same, but the internal specs went from 4 1.6 GHZ cortex A9 cores with a (more important) mali 400 mp4 gpu (old, weak today), to 4 1.6 GHZ (not 1.8....) Cortex A17 cores with a (Hallejuhah~) mali T-764 GPU (Basically the fastest ARM gpu on the planet today, monstrous performance even more so on this 1024x600) screen. So yes it?s a huge upgrade, mostly on teh GPU side, so more for android games then for emulators. But in heavy-duty android games like asphalt 8, real racing 3, nova 3 and the like, the difference is day and night. If you want to play those: get a Q9.

Also, you can get a Q9 for 136 dollars here! http://www.geekbuying.com/item/GPD-Q9-7-inch-Android-4-4-Gamepad-RK3288-Quad-Core-Handheld-Game-Console-IPS-Screen-2GB-16GB-Game-Tablet-PC---Black-343436.html I got mine in 4 days and packaged to survive thermonuclear war...
Thanks for the link! I don't plan on playing that many android exclusize games though. Are there any other reasons, other than the cpu and gpu, that you think I should get this and are there any other tablets that could compare to it, specifically ones that can handle any emulation up to the psp, psx, and dreamcast?
« Last Edit: May 01, 2015, 12:00:07 am by CllinW »

2blackbar

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2015, 02:35:04 pm »
Ive got q88+ quad core ( q88 is dual core) and it plays dreamcast games, also emulates psp quite ok, no problems with n64 and ps1.
Also this q9 video with psp emulation doesnt look like its 6-8 times faster, i actually have better speeds on my q88+ than he on this video:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTptgBxC1UE" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTptgBxC1UE</a>
« Last Edit: May 02, 2015, 10:28:04 pm by 2blackbar »

eragon2890

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2015, 10:41:07 am »
It can't bt e slower, look at the settings... But the 4-8x times performnce boost i in android heavy games like asphalt 8, real racing 3, walking dead season 1/2, dead trigger 2, gt raxing 2, etc etc.. :-)

skelton

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2015, 11:03:31 am »
PSP emulation is not too different in a RK3288 or RK3188. RK3288 slighlty better, but never 4 or 8 times faster. Main difference is GPU and Android games. for emulators, it's pretty much the same.

Perhaps Yabause (Saturn emu) works fine in a RK3288 now that it has open GL 3.0 support, but I have never tried in a RK3288 (in my phone is working great though).
http://forums.yabause.org/index.php?topic=1323.msg13584#new

About videos, many people doesn't know how to configure an emu or a device for proper gaming, so I never take videos as a reference, specially in PPSSPP where configuration is very important. Many people use frameskip in PPSSPP and say that it's "smooth", but some people doesn't accept frameskipping in emulator (me for instance), so it depends on many factors.
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2blackbar

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2015, 01:22:13 pm »
4-8 times faster is A LOT ! Dont tell people stuff like this if its not true in practical situations, maybe on specs sheet it looks great but  i dont buy it unless there's direct comparison with head to head  q88+ and q9, same settings and same emulators and games.
I play GTA sand andreas on q88+ with maximum details , its not 60fps smooth but its ok to play so i dont have to pick lower details , its 60fps on lower ones and no car reflections.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2015, 01:34:44 pm by 2blackbar »

eragon2890

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2015, 01:31:27 pm »
I toke that number directly from a bencharm between rk3188 and rk3288. Here is another good indication:

http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featured/rockchip-rk3288-with-mali-t760-gpu-shows-up-on-gfx-benchmark/

The old 3188 isn't even able to run the manhattan test, but look at the results of the t-rex onscreen test: it's 6 times faster. Keep in mind this test runs at native resolution (ALWAYS) of the screen of the device it's run on, and it looks as if the rk3288 has to power a significantly higher res screen the 3188 in this bench. AS you can see, it even signifcantly outperforms the snapdragon 800 in on-screen benchmark. The low-level results are not a big improvement as they say, but those are mostly CPU bound and have not-so-much to do with the GPU - which I where I said performance was 4 - 8 times better, adn which is what you'll notive when playing games. Asphalt 8 was basically onplayable at low settings on my 3188 device (average framerate 25, often drops under 20), whereas on Q9 it stays at 60fps all the time at highest setting (with a hack enabled to alleviate a bug int he game with mali cards even, so it thinks it's a tegra 4!) no matter how intensive it gets.

It really is that much faster.

I also run icemark 3d extreme: on my old device about 1700 points, on new it was over 7000.

2blackbar

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2015, 01:36:53 pm »
great but ppsspp still lags like crap and should fly like butterfly with so much power even on default crap settings

eragon2890

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2015, 01:42:22 pm »
Which game you tested? I played oreimo visual novel, valkyria chronicles 2 (playing that trough for real right now), some hack-and-slash game with a hot chick in bikini armor (forgot her/the game's name :-( ) :3, crisis core, and the k-on rythm game (really CUTE!!) they all run full speed.

I love playing valkyria chronicles on it, runs like a charm and the higher resolution is nice.

With full speed I mean no frame skip, no speedhacks, at 1024/600 rendering and display resolution...

But again , the huge speed updates are for android games. Mostly GPU bound. The cpu has got about 50% faster, but not a day and night difference like the GPU, so it's logical PSP might still lag on some games. It's faster than it was on my archos gamepad 2 tough...

2blackbar

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2015, 02:11:19 pm »
I dont have q9 but if its that fast i will consider buying it, i have q88+ so i dont need another clone with slightly faster gpu.
Try if syphon filter : dark mirror works fast and smooth on your pppsspp emulator, it not then its not a big difference.
Some ppsspp games run very fast on slow machines like DBZ Shin Budokai ,  i dont know how demanding your games are, god of war is quite demanding too but syphon filter lags a lot on my gpd.

eragon2890

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2015, 03:38:39 pm »
Will test those games later (^_~)

I love the android performance first and foremost XD


Pleng

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2015, 02:35:30 am »
Perhaps Yabause (Saturn emu) works fine in a RK3288 now that it has open GL 3.0 support, but I have never tried in a RK3288 (in my phone is working great though).
http://forums.yabause.org/index.php?topic=1323.msg13584#new

I just tried NiGHTS into Dreams using Saturn.Emu on my RK3288 based TV box and unfortunately no improvement whatsoever compared to my old RK3188 - it needs at least a 100% speed increase before it could be considered playable. Perhaps if frameskip gets implemented...

Which phone are you using?

skelton

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2015, 08:07:04 am »
Perhaps Yabause (Saturn emu) works fine in a RK3288 now that it has open GL 3.0 support, but I have never tried in a RK3288 (in my phone is working great though).
http://forums.yabause.org/index.php?topic=1323.msg13584#new

I just tried NiGHTS into Dreams using Saturn.Emu on my RK3288 based TV box and unfortunately no improvement whatsoever compared to my old RK3188 - it needs at least a 100% speed increase before it could be considered playable. Perhaps if frameskip gets implemented...

Which phone are you using?

A siswoo i7 cooper. I have not tried Nights though. Saturn.emu is not the emu I have posted though. I refer to offiicial Yabause with open gl 3.0 support. Saturn.emu is an old port by robert broglia of yabause without support for open gl 3.0. Try with the emu I have posted perhaps it improves.
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Pleng

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Re: Help with choosing a device.
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2015, 10:01:22 am »
Hmm well it just crashes as soon as you select the game on that one. I'll try with some other games to see if they load.

 

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