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vcoleiro1 (OP)

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2016, 09:41:32 pm »
I think I saw that their current thinking is for the XD2 to be Android only.

When you think about it, if both the WIN and XD2 were dual boot, then why would you have two products, they would eventually be one product.  At this stage I think they want to keep them separate.  They did write a thread(on the chinese forum) about the XD and WIN being separate products

Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2016, 10:22:40 pm »
well, i think is a very good idea on releasing two products that share hardware.

i mean, my bet was that GPD-XD2 was the same hardware than GPD-WIN, but with other features such 6" screen, 360? screen rotation and NO keyboard.
GPD-WIN will offer a keyboard that become as standard UMPC (micro-notebook)

if both of them share the same hardware, then GPD can release 3 flavors of operating systems that can be flashed on both devices:
Windows pure firmware
Android pure firmware
DualOS (Android & Windows)

this way, users can choice which device prefer depends on their needs, and which operating system want to install on it.

for GPD, this is a very easy way to update software. If they want to release a firmware with Android 6.0, users can install on any of the devices (Win or XD2).

for me, this is the best way to improve their current GPD-XD device

now,GPD will keep using ARM on their GPD-XD2. ok, nice, but what you get with this improved hardware? (assuming is the RK3399)
Better preformance, ok.
Better GPU, ok.

is there any software (except the NVidia specific apps) that you cannot run on RK3288 (GPD-XD as example)?
is there any software that RK3288 power is not enough, but RK3399 can run now?

I really don?t see a real improvement on using RK3399 on the new device. The design is a good improvement, ok, but the power will be wasted really.

the new SoC is an octacore? great!, but for emulation, most of emulators only uses 2 cores... (and there are some of them that are mono-core)
Don?t misundestand to me. Of course, everyone want better devices, better speed, etc. but currently android gaming evolution is stopped from a while, and there is no new releases that requires a better machine for running.

For all these reasons, i think a x86 SoC such the X8550 of GPD-Win is a very good implementation, because you get the same and enough power for running almost any android game or program, and you get the possibility to run another OS such Windows, or Linux Distro, etc. something that RK3399 cannot offer (almost for now)

eragon2890

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2016, 10:27:05 pm »
well, i think is a very good idea on releasing two products that share hardware.

i mean, my bet was that GPD-XD2 was the same hardware than GPD-WIN, but with other features such 6" screen, 360? screen rotation and NO keyboard.
GPD-WIN will offer a keyboard that become as standard UMPC (micro-notebook)

if both of them share the same hardware, then GPD can release 3 flavors of operating systems that can be flashed on both devices:
Windows pure firmware
Android pure firmware
DualOS (Android & Windows)

this way, users can choice which device prefer depends on their needs, and which operating system want to install on it.

for GPD, this is a very easy way to update software. If they want to release a firmware with Android 6.0, users can install on any of the devices (Win or XD2).

for me, this is the best way to improve their current GPD-XD device

now,GPD will keep using ARM on their GPD-XD2. ok, nice, but what you get with this improved hardware? (assuming is the RK3399)
Better preformance, ok.
Better GPU, ok.

is there any software (except the NVidia specific apps) that you cannot run on RK3288 (GPD-XD as example)?
is there any software that RK3288 power is not enough, but RK3399 can run now?

I really don?t see a real improvement on using RK3399 on the new device. The design is a good improvement, ok, but the power will be wasted really.

the new SoC is an octacore? great!, but for emulation, most of emulators only uses 2 cores... (and there are some of them that are mono-core)
Don?t misundestand to me. Of course, everyone want better devices, better speed, etc. but currently android gaming evolution is stopped from a while, and there is no new releases that requires a better machine for running.

For all these reasons, i think a x86 SoC such the X8550 of GPD-Win is a very good implementation, because you get the same and enough power for running almost any android game or program, and you get the possibility to run another OS such Windows, or Linux Distro, etc. something that RK3399 cannot offer (almost for now)

Better GPU is important, and epsxe in high res can use 4 cores (and will need that for speed) so 8 faster cores (4 for emu, 4 to do system tasks) would probably be a huge  improvement for that. And not counting that some (like ppsspp) have options to run certain parts (like io or what have you) on a separate thread...

Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2016, 10:42:07 pm »
ok, understand your point.
my point of view is some more... i don?t know. simple.
i know that emulators may need more power for adding filters, etc. PSX you mention need more power and cores for Hi-Res.
ok.
but, this really is something that make to you to buy another new device, only for better look of the games that you can play currently on other devices?

i mean, for some (or many?) users, this may be enough for go to buy this new device with better hardware, but for most of users, that only want to wimply play, i think they really don?t care about these things.
if people can play PSX in normal mode (without enhanced graphics, etc) they will play in any case. I think advanced users that requires better hardware for running their games with better resolution, better filters, etc, are not so much people (or almost, i think this)

This is a simple iteration of harware of their product. is not a real step for running other kind of sofware that the previous version can do.
Another thing may be if this hardware can run Dolphin (Wii and Gamecube). this may be a good implementation of the hardware and may be a good reason for buying the new device, but as i know, Dolphin will not run on RK3399 (almost, for now)... but you can play Gamecube if you run Windows (using cherrytrail).
I mean, using cherrytrail there is a big and notorious difference than only updating from RK3288 to RK3399...

eragon2890

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2016, 10:44:34 pm »
ok, understand your point.
my point of view is some more... i don?t know. simple.
i know that emulators may need more power for adding filters, etc. PSX you mention need more power and cores for Hi-Res.
ok.
but, this really is something that make to you to buy another new device, only for better look of the games that you can play currently on other devices?

i mean, for some (or many?) users, this may be enough for go to buy this new device with better hardware, but for most of users, that only want to wimply play, i think they really don?t care about these things.
if people can play PSX in normal mode (without enhanced graphics, etc) they will play in any case. I think advanced users that requires better hardware for running their games with better resolution, better filters, etc, are not so much people (or almost, i think this)

This is a simple iteration of harware of their product. is not a real step for running other kind of sofware that the previous version can do.
Another thing may be if this hardware can run Dolphin (Wii and Gamecube). this may be a good implementation of the hardware and may be a good reason for buying the new device, but as i know, Dolphin will not run on RK3399 (almost, for now)... but you can play Gamecube if you run Windows (using cherrytrail).
I mean, using cherrytrail there is a big and notorious difference than only updating from RK3288 to RK3399...

No no I agree, I just meant to say that for this new device (it's still niche product, most people don't know these exist, so a lot of potential buyers are still out there) it's not "overkill" of them to go wtih a 3399 instead of a 3288. Not that people who have an xd might buy this for that, but it's not like it's overkill ie so  powerfull that it's not sensible anymore...

I mean most buyers would probably be people who have never heard of gpd before given how niche they are...

Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2016, 11:01:07 pm »
but, GPD want to release a device for mass interest on people, not only for new potential users.

I mean, if there is some user that own a GPD device, when look this new device must think "whoaaa... i want this"
I think the design help to this direction.
the problem is when users looks for the hardware and, with a little info, may consider that the hardware really will not be enough for the change, but maybe the design yes.

myself, i really love the new design, but i think is not enough for do the change. my current XD allow to me to play anything on it, and really don?t need another device.

(yes, i'm cycling on my arguments. sorry)

anyway. i think GPD must go for massive interest, not only on people that will meet their brand soon. (pfff. sometimes i get stucked when i try to write on english... sorry... i'm a little bit tired now) :S

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2016, 11:51:53 pm »
I hope we get more information soon ... I was planning on buying the GPD XD but I'm waiting for this

vcoleiro1 (OP)

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2016, 12:21:07 am »
I have a feeling they may wait until after the GPD WIN Indiegogo campaign before providing more info on the XD2.

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2016, 03:30:40 am »
Yea I think they will do that ....I'm really impatient but its a short wait

MOFO

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2016, 08:30:47 pm »
I'm a little late to the party but any info or pics of this thing, the little info I did gather is its going to have 3 analog sticks!????
That's crazy and don't see the point, on the hardware side I like the idea of sharing components with the XD WIN and having dual OS's or at least have the option of running one or the other.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 08:32:30 pm by MOFO »

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2016, 05:56:58 am »
I'm really thinking between getting this or the regular GPD XD ... I wonder what the specs will be ...if the battery sucks Ill go with the original ... the GPD XD can already play Dreamcast and PSP so how much can GPD XD 2 improve?

eragon2890

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2016, 07:24:03 am »
Maybe the third joystick is for people who ffind the xbox 360 lsyout more comfortable?

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2016, 08:50:22 am »
I'm really thinking between getting this or the regular GPD XD ... I wonder what the specs will be ...if the battery sucks Ill go with the original ... the GPD XD can already play Dreamcast and PSP so how much can GPD XD 2 improve?

Next Stop: Playstation 2 and Gamecube  ;D

Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2016, 09:11:15 am »
Maybe the third joystick is for people who ffind the xbox 360 lsyout more comfortable?

this is a very interesting suggestion.
but then both sticks duplicate their function?

i think better is some app that allow to change the functions, right stick + mousestick, mousestick + right stick (inverted config), right stick1 + right stick 2 (for use with mapping tool, that what is originally designed for MOBA games)

Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2016, 09:20:30 am »
well, they confirmed on Baidu days ago too.

snif!...

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2016, 11:44:15 pm »
I'm really thinking between getting this or the regular GPD XD ... I wonder what the specs will be ...if the battery sucks Ill go with the original ... the GPD XD can already play Dreamcast and PSP so how much can GPD XD 2 improve?

Next Stop: Playstation 2 and Gamecube  ;D

I would love to see that

tonyp1987

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2016, 07:51:47 pm »
If they are able to pull off ps2 & gamecube I would be in gamer heaven because I can play the ps2 star ocean and devil may cry 1-3, dark cloud 1&2, naruto games, metriod 1&2, mario sunshine, loz wind walkers & loz twilight princess, tales of abyss, gow 1&2.....etc portable lol.

eragon2890

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2016, 08:17:46 pm »
If they are able to pull off ps2 & gamecube I would be in gamer heaven because I can play the ps2 star ocean and devil may cry 1-3, dark cloud 1&2, naruto games, metriod 1&2, mario sunshine, loz wind walkers & loz twilight princess, tales of abyss, gow 1&2.....etc portable lol.

if you have a 3ds... tales of the abyss has come out for 3ds, so if you have one you can play it on there :)

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2016, 04:59:15 am »
I'm just wondering if there are any differences in specs or its just something cosmetic

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2016, 10:20:34 am »
I'm just wondering if there are any differences in specs or its just something cosmetic

There will be an upgrade in specs. Most probably the new rockchip 3399 when it comes out I guess.
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