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Title: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 06, 2015, 08:12:29 am
DISCLAIMER: your unit may or may not arrive with certain imperfections as this is an early unit. If I notice any such things I shall mention it in passing but it will have no bearing on the review. I also suggest you DO NOT use my review as your only source and have multiple sources to make your purchase decision.

VIDEO REVIEW POSTED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJaMRM7qjI

IMPORTANT NOTES:

Problem diagonal down+ left DPAD: I apologize to everyone that I missed this in my review
After further testing I realized that the down left diagonal is extremely hard to pull off because the dpad axis favors the Up+right diagonal more and is easy to do.

It is possible to do it but its simply too hard to pull of while gaming in most platformers with diagonal movement:
examples: Batman returns, streets of rage.etc.. the analog works fine for all diagonals

again Im sorry I missed this I only tested the Up+left diagonal thoroughly, and Down+left in circular motion for street fighter which works fine. Precision Down+left is pretty bad and broken unless u mod the axis.

Added annotation on 12:52 of the video regarding this.


.TEST RESULTS:
Stock governer interactive max usage in launcher 1.2ghz(swiping apps opening closing)

1hr psp emulation Test Untold legengs Lots of enemies constant fighting.
 setcpu modified settings (skeleton directed)
Staring values:
Battery at 46%  wifi on screen brightness 25%  Setcpu:1.4ghz max & min lock, governer ondemand, deadline.

Ending values:
Battery at :34%    clocks 1.4ghz constant.
heat: none that I notice.

Conclusion: Problem Fixed runs at 1.4ghz constant for 1hr if setcpu is used with ondemand,deadline 1.4 lock. Game runs smooth no skipping.
Recommendation: Definitely needs to be clocked higher as heat is a non issue. Set CPU IS REQUIRED for max performance.
Thanks Skeleton:)

FIXED
.There is some severe under clocking going on with the device when it comes to psp emulation, Im 100% sure its not running at 1.4ghz for more than 1hr 22mins. Most likely 800mhz-900mhz. This may be due to extreme temperature control as the device simply never gets hot at all.

Another reason is battery life is extremely long, so long that it is impossible that the device is constantly running at 1.4ghz while emulation.
A custom kernel is required for anyone who wants psp emulation. That will fix it.( YOU WILL NOTICE THIS IN NORMAL USAGE LIKE BROWSING AS WELL DURING LONG PERIODS OF USE)


.Latest Retroarch only launches but cant be used or taped on, its a bug as the newer retroarch's are extremely buggy. (can be related to 160 dpi also)

.Swap storage is NOT available on the XD you will need to use 3rd party apps.(future firmware may fix this)

.Screen refresh rate is 60hz (good for retro gaming)



Antut X score:
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2505fes.png)
Benchmarks Atutu and Gpu bennchmark EDIT MAY BE FALSE!!!
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2uh1pw7.png)
outer box
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2hdcknq.jpg)
open
(http://i60.tinypic.com/21edt3n.jpg)
close up
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2dlradf.jpg)
comparison 1
(http://i58.tinypic.com/nqv67m.jpg)
comparison 2
(http://i59.tinypic.com/vo7adf.jpg)
comparison 3
(http://i59.tinypic.com/21b7qee.jpg)
compariosn 4
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2djnvhd.jpg)
comparison 5
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2lj6y50.jpg)



my tests:
. Physical comparison between New 3ds xl & XD , Hinge strength, hinge position levels, ergonomics. DS emulation (drastic)

.usability and comfort: heat, sticky/clicky buttons, sound, screen quality,refresh rate, wifi strength, analog, dpad

.Software GBA ,  ps1, psp, Ds,  Moonlight gamestream(applies to wifi strength)

Benchmarking, battery tests, overclocking, custom firmware note:
I will run the antutu benchmark however for more in depth benchmarks & battery tests Id advise you to wait for DenoX's review as he usually discusses these in great detail. As for custom firmware, Id gladly test them should any become available.

Specific tests:

Diagonals & Dpad : contra hard corps, Street fighter

Button sticky test: Gradius Galaxies (Shmup)

Screen color test: Vs GPD q9 vs new 3ds Xl (resolution will be disregarded)

Native Android game performance:  Dungeon Hunter 5 ( fps is locked at 25/30 on android)
                                                      Strangers Wrath: All at high settings


User tests Edit:

ookla wifi speed

Mario64 analog motion report.

Modern combat 4/fps game test.



..Smash test. GPD XD will be smashed with a 600 ton Boulder or Space Beam/nuke a cola launcher to see if it survives.. based on this it shall receive +/- 1 million review points;)
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: eragon2890 on August 06, 2015, 10:07:27 am
How on earth did you get it already? *staring daggers* i am totally not yealous or anything~! :-P

Anyway, for wifi , why not also run ookla speedtest? I know from deenox g5a review that 2 mB/second is enough for moonlight, z while i definitely want to drool ov- see moonlight tested running pc games like just cause 2, skyrim, or dead space, ookla might be a better indication of wifi strength ;3

Also, some anime streaming. Why? Because it gives a clear image of how the colours look!

Also maybe wifi display :3

Is it possible with some scriptfu to switch l3 and r3? Then you canmactually use them while using their analog stick :3

How is sound/volume trough the headphone jack?

And finally how is the touch screen?

Thats it!
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: lemmywinks on August 06, 2015, 10:19:47 am
The Mario64 test for the analogs would be good - seeing if you can make him turn in smooth circles at gradually increasing speeds.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: nielo360 on August 06, 2015, 10:21:12 am
How on earth did you get it already? *staring daggers* i am totally not yealous or anything~! :-P

Anyway, for wifi , why not also run ookla speedtest? I know from deenox g5a review that 2 mB/second is enough for moonlight, z while i definitely want to drool ov- see moonlight tested running pc games like just cause 2, skyrim, or dead space, ookla might be a better indication of wifi strength ;3

Also, some anime streaming. Why? Because it gives a clear image of how the colours look!

Also maybe wifi display :3

Is it possible with some scriptfu to switch l3 and r3? Then you canmactually use them while using their analog stick :3

How is sound/volume trough the headphone jack?

And finally how is the touch screen?

Thats it!

Ill use ookla with my home network and test it.

All keys in pretty much any android device can edited via the keylayout file as long as device is rooted. So no problem there, just need to edit the correct file which should be the xbox 360 controller USB layout or PS3 Usb Layout.

Ill try to setup some video stream if I can.

I dont have a wirless display dongle so wont be able to try that one.

Oh yes I will check the touch screen sensitivity as well.

LOL this is definitely  not the version for consumers(from what I think) as its an earlier build from what Iv been told so nope you dont want to be using this one, youll be getting the good ones.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: eragon2890 on August 06, 2015, 10:23:22 am
Thank you!

Also maybe modern combat 4? You really need good/smooth analogs for that fast paced fps
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: nielo360 on August 06, 2015, 10:23:35 am
The Mario64 test for the analogs would be good - seeing if you can make him turn in smooth circles at gradually increasing speeds.

I can try it out and let you know when the unit is here, but cant put it on video since its nintendo stuff.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: nielo360 on August 06, 2015, 10:25:37 am
Thank you!

Also maybe modern combat 4? You really need good/smooth analogs for that fast paced fps

yes ill do that one added it to list
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: redlemon on August 06, 2015, 10:45:12 am
Does he XD support opengl es 3 ? If it does could you test Jeanne D'arc on ppsspp? I remember reading on their forums it only works on devices that support it. Also could you check easy rpg. On the G5A the setting menu doesn't appear so I can't set the physical controls.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: Melquiades on August 06, 2015, 11:00:54 am
I would ask you to check some of the PSP games that are currently playable but not perfect, just to see how it compares to the Q9... also, it would be great to see if KOTOR can be installed on this directly from Google Play. It must run perfectly, but on the Q9 cannot even be installed without sideloading from a 3188 device.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: nielo360 on August 06, 2015, 11:18:23 am
Does he XD support opengl es 3 ? If it does could you test Jeanne D'arc on ppsspp? I remember reading on their forums it only works on devices that support it. Also could you check easy rpg. On the G5A the setting menu doesn't appear so I can't set the physical controls.

While I dont have Jeanne D arc Ill check out easy rpg.. but for what its worth this uses the same chipset/clock as the Q9 so anything that doesnt work on the Q9 wont work on this either
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: nielo360 on August 06, 2015, 11:21:08 am
I would ask you to check some of the PSP games that are currently playable but not perfect, just to see how it compares to the Q9... also, it would be great to see if KOTOR can be installed on this directly from Google Play. It must run perfectly, but on the Q9 cannot even be installed without sideloading from a 3188 device.

Thanks in advance!

I dont have kotor on android, but because its the same chipset/clocks, there will be no difference with compatibility or performance for the most part, the only advantages/disadvantages you can get are the control's and form factor.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: eragon2890 on August 06, 2015, 11:22:02 am
Does he XD support opengl es 3 ? If it does could you test Jeanne D'arc on ppsspp? I remember reading on their forums it only works on devices that support it. Also could you check easy rpg. On the G5A the setting menu doesn't appear so I can't set the physical controls.

While I dont have Jeanne D arc Ill check out easy rpg.. but for what its worth this uses the same chipset/clock as the Q9 so anything that doesnt work on the Q9 wont work on this either

It does support that, so it should work~
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: SONY on August 07, 2015, 02:49:46 am
Try running HL and Portal.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: jmorneno114 on August 07, 2015, 07:52:00 pm
are you going to do a video?
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress, ask what you'd like to see.
Post by: nielo360 on August 10, 2015, 10:24:26 am
are you going to do a video?

Yes video review will be posted soon just got the pics up
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl
Post by: nielo360 on August 10, 2015, 10:25:59 am
The device just arrived, customs charge was 170usd because GPD valued at $300 LOL for no reason at all ill try to contact them to see why they did that. Added comparison pics, ill work on the review set up rite away..box is very nice
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 10:27:13 am
Awesome looks great!

If that is a test unit i can't wait for my regular production one to arrive!
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 10:36:06 am
Is it just me, or does the XD actually look way *less* cheap-looking/sturdier/shinier then the 3ds??

I find the xd looks more premium (probably because glimmering and finish) then the 3ds which looks more "cheap non-shiny plastic". Is it just me?

Also, the joystickS are obviously way better just from looking, and the speakers look way better/bigger as well...

Curious for the review...
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl
Post by: nielo360 on August 10, 2015, 10:51:55 am
Is it just me, or does the XD actually look way *less* cheap-looking/sturdier/shinier then the 3ds??

I find the xd looks more premium (probably because glimmering and finish) then the 3ds which looks more "cheap non-shiny plastic". Is it just me?

Also, the joystickS are obviously way better just from looking, and the speakers look way better/bigger as well...

Curious for the review...

I can already tell you the build quality in TERMS of Screen, analog stick, casing, weight (they are real sticks not nubs:) ) is leaps and bounds better than the nintendo 3ds xl ..im very surprised. Further testing will give us more soon.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 11:24:38 am
So, GPD does what nintendont? :-)

Anyway.... A small chinese company manages to sell something cheaper, dozens times faster, with better controls, and way better quality??

Better build quality then nintendo? What did they use? GPDinium??

I am shocked! ALL HAIL OUR NES CHINESE OVERLORDS!
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl
Post by: lemmywinks on August 10, 2015, 12:23:12 pm
Personally I prefer the matte finish on the 3DS XL, in fact one criticism when the DSi XL was released was that they used a shiny finish on the lid instead of an all over matte finish. Looks good when you take it out of the box but it's a magnet for fingerprints and dust. I also find the less slippery surface easy to hold.

Actually that's not a bad point, how comfortable is the XD to hold? Are both the left analog and dpad in good positions and are both sets of shoulder buttons easy to access?

Pictures are looking good though, I'm pretty impressed with this so far so thanks!
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 12:24:58 pm
Personally I prefer the matte finish on the 3DS XL, in fact one criticism when the DSi XL was released was that they used a shiny finish on the lid instead of an all over matte finish. Looks good when you take it out of the box but it's a magnet for fingerprints and dust. I also find the less slippery surface easy to hold.

Actually that's not a bad point, how comfortable is the XD to hold? Are both the left analog and dpad in good positions and are both sets of shoulder buttons easy to access?

Pictures are looking good though, I'm pretty impressed with this so far so thanks!

Oh thats a matter of taste, we were talking about build quality! Ie, amazingly, apparently , this thing is way sturdier/more solid then a 3ds xl , even this "test version"!

(No, i can barely believe it either...)

But good questions! Is it ergonomic?
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: nielo360 on August 10, 2015, 12:27:32 pm
posted benchmarks, few more tests to go
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 12:31:42 pm
 :-X
posted benchmarks, few more tests to go

Wait that xiami it outperforms in antutu has a tegra k1!

That is.. Uh... *very interesting*.

Could you do antutu x instead? Antutu often gives false/too high results due to "cheating". Antutu x is more usefull then antutu.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: skelton on August 10, 2015, 01:28:37 pm
Yep, antutu is cheated in Rockchip SDK. It gives about 10000 points more than real. Antutu X is the key. It should be about 34000, a bit less than GPD q9.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: Melquiades on August 10, 2015, 01:51:33 pm
I don't want to spoil the fun to anybody, but expecting a GPD to have the build quality or reliability of a Nintendo handheld is beyond unrealistic. GPDs are what they are, and considering what they are, they perform fine. But they are cheap because they are cheaply made, GPD cuts costs wherever possible. This has an effect on reliability and the fact that some consoles come reworked and that even devices sent for review or development have some issues is just proof that their production line is not exactly FoxConn?s.

There is no point in raising the issue of what fails more, GPDs, JXDs or Ipegas, at this stage we should probably be grateful that GPD still focuses on the Android handheld niche. Just don?t get overexcited.

Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: nielo360 on August 10, 2015, 02:48:54 pm
I don't want to spoil the fun to anybody, but expecting a GPD to have the build quality or reliability of a Nintendo handheld is beyond unrealistic. GPDs are what they are, and considering what they are, they perform fine. But they are cheap because they are cheaply made, GPD cuts costs wherever possible. This has an effect on reliability and the fact that some consoles come reworked and that even devices sent for review or development have some issues is just proof that their production line is not exactly FoxConn?s.

There is no point in raising the issue of what fails more, GPDs, JXDs or Ipegas, at this stage we should probably be grateful that GPD still focuses on the Android handheld niche. Just don?t get overexcited.

While I understand why you may think that way, manufacturing quality does not always reflect cost as Im sure you already know. That being said this manufacture has evolved past what would be considered "cheap" knock offs with this particular device In my  opinion.

ips screen is excellent in terms of color reproduction, sound quality is loud and much better than any 3ds.

plastic mold is very well made and on par with the n3ds

dpad is a bit too small..the 3ds has a better dpad

attention to detail, screw covering is extremely well done its unlike any Chinese handheld (barring Oneplus) iv used.

Lock system, unlike the 3ds the device does not used 2 fixed lock points, the hinge is adjustable and sturdy at any position EDIT: This can be a problem in the long run as hinge may break in the future.


Analog sticks are a marvel of engineering in a handheld.. this is quiet shocking as sony's own vita handheld simply cant compete with the fluid stick movement.(they are using a modified version of sonys analogs)

however its not perfect and you are right about cost cutting when it comes to internals, blutooth for one 5ghz wifi, gps,camera.However I just mean the build itself.

if you do decide to invest in one at some point perhaps you might agree or disagree but I for one am pleasantly surprised so far as my last gpd review(q9) was quiet negative with regards to build quality. Ofcourse this is still a knock off and infringes on Nintendo patents in many ways thus can never be legal to sell in the US. That being said so far it surpasses "holding" a 3ds xl in my personal opinion.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: skelton on August 10, 2015, 02:53:42 pm
Ufff, if you say that 3ds has a better dpad is a no go for me. 3DS dpad is not good for me at all (and too small). the dpad is essential for me because I never use analogs (except for some DC games). I think that Vita analogs are quite bad so the fact that are better is nice, but I think I will go on using my phone + ps3 controller as a "handheld"
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: nielo360 on August 10, 2015, 02:56:38 pm
Ufff, if you say that 3ds has a better dpad is a no go for me. 3DS dpad is not good for me at all (and too small). It's nice that analogs are fine but the dpad is essential for me because I never use analogs (except for some DC games). I think I will go on using my phone + ps3 controller as a "handheld"

The dpad is good in terms of use but I have large hands and I dont find the size comfortable, I will show it off in the video with various tests, but Im quiet sure ill replace it with a bigger size dpad mod. A ps3/ps4 dpad is superior to pretty much anything even in mainstream consoles except for the q9.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 03:04:07 pm
I don't want to spoil the fun to anybody, but expecting a GPD to have the build quality or reliability of a Nintendo handheld is beyond unrealistic. GPDs are what they are, and considering what they are, they perform fine. But they are cheap because they are cheaply made, GPD cuts costs wherever possible. This has an effect on reliability and the fact that some consoles come reworked and that even devices sent for review or development have some issues is just proof that their production line is not exactly FoxConn?s.

There is no point in raising the issue of what fails more, GPDs, JXDs or Ipegas, at this stage we should probably be grateful that GPD still focuses on the Android handheld niche. Just don?t get overexcited.

While I understand why you may think that way, manufacturing quality does not always reflect cost as Im sure you already know. That being said this manufacture has evolved past what would be considered "cheap" knock offs with this particular device In my  opinion.

ips screen is excellent in terms of color reproduction, sound quality is loud and much better than any 3ds.

plastic mold is very well made and on par with the n3ds

dpad is a bit too small..the 3ds has a better dpad

attention to detail, screw covering is extremely well done its unlike any Chinese handheld (barring Oneplus) iv used.

Lock system, unlike the 3ds the device does not used 2 fixed lock points, the hinge is adjustable and sturdy at any position


Analog sticks are a marvel of engineering in a handheld.. this is quiet shocking as sony's own vita handheld simply cant compete with the fluid stick movement.(they are using a modified version of sonys analogs)

however its not perfect and you are right about cost cutting when it comes to internals, blutooth for one 5ghz wifi, gps,camera.However I just mean the build itself.

if you do decide to invest in one at some point perhaps you might agree or disagree but I for one am pleasantly surprised so far as my last gpd review(q9) was quiet negative with regards to build quality. Ofcourse this is still a knock off and infringes on Nintendo patents in many ways thus can never be legal to sell in the US. That being said so far it surpasses "holding" a 3ds xl in my personal opinion.

Hm... I did not like the dpad on the 3ds that much, but it was usable... The one on the new 3ds is way better IMHO.

That being said, is the dpad at least precise/fluid/does it stay on it's axis (especially for diagonals i mean?)

Also, when will we have delicious video?

Thanks for all the great work/information! :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 03:23:38 pm
I don't want to spoil the fun to anybody, but expecting a GPD to have the build quality or reliability of a Nintendo handheld is beyond unrealistic. GPDs are what they are, and considering what they are, they perform fine. But they are cheap because they are cheaply made, GPD cuts costs wherever possible. This has an effect on reliability and the fact that some consoles come reworked and that even devices sent for review or development have some issues is just proof that their production line is not exactly FoxConn?s.

There is no point in raising the issue of what fails more, GPDs, JXDs or Ipegas, at this stage we should probably be grateful that GPD still focuses on the Android handheld niche. Just don?t get overexcited.

While I understand why you may think that way, manufacturing quality does not always reflect cost as Im sure you already know. That being said this manufacture has evolved past what would be considered "cheap" knock offs with this particular device In my  opinion.

ips screen is excellent in terms of color reproduction, sound quality is loud and much better than any 3ds.

plastic mold is very well made and on par with the n3ds

dpad is a bit too small..the 3ds has a better dpad

attention to detail, screw covering is extremely well done its unlike any Chinese handheld (barring Oneplus) iv used.

Lock system, unlike the 3ds the device does not used 2 fixed lock points, the hinge is adjustable and sturdy at any position


Analog sticks are a marvel of engineering in a handheld.. this is quiet shocking as sony's own vita handheld simply cant compete with the fluid stick movement.(they are using a modified version of sonys analogs)

however its not perfect and you are right about cost cutting when it comes to internals, blutooth for one 5ghz wifi, gps,camera.However I just mean the build itself.

if you do decide to invest in one at some point perhaps you might agree or disagree but I for one am pleasantly surprised so far as my last gpd review(q9) was quiet negative with regards to build quality. Ofcourse this is still a knock off and infringes on Nintendo patents in many ways thus can never be legal to sell in the US. That being said so far it surpasses "holding" a 3ds xl in my personal opinion.

Nope, legal to sell i the usa. The most that could happen is nintendo sueing them. But definitely not criminal persecution.

I am not from the usa, but i looked it up and found this: http://intellectualpropertiesfirm.com/conterfiet-vs-knockof/

There is no fake brand anywhere, in fact the thing / promotion screams as hard as it can that it's made by gpd.

Hell, as soon as you open it its totally and fundamentally different to a 3ds in basically every way (one screen, dual joysticks, about 8 more buttons, speakers in a different place and so on), and even on the outside it's not even an exact copy. No fake game card slot, it has hdmi, different usb port. At to all of this that their is no attempt whatsoever to brand it as an actualm3ds, and nope, definitely not illegal, assuming that law firm is correct...
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: lemmywinks on August 10, 2015, 03:28:22 pm
3DS dpad is awful for me due the positioning more than anything, this has the dpad situated further in where the thumb naturally falls so hopefully it will be comfortable. I'm fine with a DSi XL and I'm getting a 3DS XL tomorrow so I expect that to be a bit better.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually as well made as these early impressions imply. These consoles are usually ?60-?80 so it's actually not really a cheap device considering what you can get for circa ?100/$150 these days. A decent 5" screen will be pretty cheap to bulk buy as that's what every phone uses these days.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 10, 2015, 03:28:49 pm
I must admit I was turned off when I found out this didn't have clickable sticks.  For FPS games , that's vital.

But I'm glad to see its looking good for what it is.  I'm sure a lot of other people will be happy with it.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 03:30:32 pm
I must admit I was turned off when I found out this didn't have clickable sticks.  For FPS games , that's vital.

But I'm glad to see its looking good in what it is.

It has separate l3 and r3, and you can alwayw reverse these via easy softmodding so you can ish the button and its stick at the same time :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 10, 2015, 03:33:45 pm
I must admit I was turned off when I found out this didn't have clickable sticks.  For FPS games , that's vital.

But I'm glad to see its looking good in what it is.

It has separate l3 and r3, and you can alwayw reverse these via easy softmodding so you can ish the button and its stick at the same time :-)

I know it does, totally not the same as having clickable sticks though.  It's a vast difference having to take your thumb of the stick to press a seperate button.
Title: Re: GPD XD Review in progress Pics are Up!Comparison New 3ds xl Benchmarks.
Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 03:35:12 pm
I must admit I was turned off when I found out this didn't have clickable sticks.  For FPS games , that's vital.

But I'm glad to see its looking good in what it is.

It has separate l3 and r3, and you can alwayw reverse these via easy softmodding so you can ish the button and its stick at the same time :-)

I know it does, totally not the same as having clickable sticks though.  It's a vast difference having to take your thumb of the stick to press a seperate button.

Uhm, if you switch them, you dont have too! You can then keep thumb on left stick and push l3 at the same time and vice versa :-)
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Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 10, 2015, 03:38:32 pm
I must admit I was turned off when I found out this didn't have clickable sticks.  For FPS games , that's vital.

But I'm glad to see its looking good in what it is.

It has separate l3 and r3, and you can alwayw reverse these via easy softmodding so you can ish the button and its stick at the same time :-)

I know it does, totally not the same as having clickable sticks though.  It's a vast difference having to take your thumb of the stick to press a seperate button.

Uhm, if you switch them, you dont have too! You can then keep thumb on left stick and push l3 at the same time and vice versa :-)


Sorry what your saying isn't coming across clear.  Are you saying the l3 and r3 buttons can be switched to the rear corner trigger buttons which you can access with your fingers while keeping your thumbs on both sticks?
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 03:45:51 pm
I must admit I was turned off when I found out this didn't have clickable sticks.  For FPS games , that's vital.

But I'm glad to see its looking good in what it is.

It has separate l3 and r3, and you can alwayw reverse these via easy softmodding so you can ish the button and its stick at the same time :-)

I know it does, totally not the same as having clickable sticks though.  It's a vast difference having to take your thumb of the stick to press a seperate button.

Uhm, if you switch them, you dont have too! You can then keep thumb on left stick and push l3 at the same time and vice versa :-)


Sorry what your saying isn't coming across clear.  Are you saying the l3 and r3 buttons can be switched to the rear corner trigger buttons which you can access with your fingers while keeping your thumbs on both sticks?

I meant l3 becomes r3 and vice versa, but that should be passabel too! Hell from what i heard youshould be able to change a config sowhere to even make the volume buttons l3 and r3 or the android navigation buttons if you would want...
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Post by: nielo360 on August 10, 2015, 03:46:15 pm
I edited my post regarding the hinge, it is sturdy so far but there is some creaking when opening and closing, in the long run this may or may not be a problem, usually creaking means that its screwed in too tight which does not give enough relief to the hinge plate while opening. So far no problem.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 03:48:26 pm
I edited my post regarding the hinge, it is sturdy so far but there is some creaking when opening and closing, in the long run this may or may not be a problem, usually creaking means that its screwed in too tight which does not give enough relief to the hinge plate while opening. So far no problem.

Okay, but usually also means it becomes looser after abit of usage right? Better this then that its too loose and falls of.

Plus willgoo unit had this as well and they said it would be better/fixed in the final version as these are still testing units. (Yours is too, right?)
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 03:50:32 pm
Is the ips display better then on q9? Do colors pop more? Is max brightness more bright then on q9? :-)
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Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 10, 2015, 03:51:28 pm
I must admit I was turned off when I found out this didn't have clickable sticks.  For FPS games , that's vital.

But I'm glad to see its looking good in what it is.

It has separate l3 and r3, and you can alwayw reverse these via easy softmodding so you can ish the button and its stick at the same time :-)

I know it does, totally not the same as having clickable sticks though.  It's a vast difference having to take your thumb of the stick to press a seperate button.

Uhm, if you switch them, you dont have too! You can then keep thumb on left stick and push l3 at the same time and vice versa :-)


Sorry what your saying isn't coming across clear.  Are you saying the l3 and r3 buttons can be switched to the rear corner trigger buttons which you can access with your fingers while keeping your thumbs on both sticks?

I meant l3 becomes r3 and vice versa, but that should be passabel too! Hell from what i heard youshould be able to change a config sowhere to even make the volume buttons l3 and r3 or the android navigation buttons if you would want...

The l3 and r3 swap wouldn't help as I explained earlier, ie you need to keep both thumbs on the sticks in a FPS. 

But if you can swap the triggers or otherwise for r3 as I queried , then that would be good. Not as good as clickable sticks , but going some way to being a workable solution
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 10, 2015, 04:16:37 pm
I must admit I was turned off when I found out this didn't have clickable sticks.  For FPS games , that's vital.

But I'm glad to see its looking good in what it is.

It has separate l3 and r3, and you can alwayw reverse these via easy softmodding so you can ish the button and its stick at the same time :-)

I know it does, totally not the same as having clickable sticks though.  It's a vast difference having to take your thumb of the stick to press a seperate button.

Uhm, if you switch them, you dont have too! You can then keep thumb on left stick and push l3 at the same time and vice versa :-)


Sorry what your saying isn't coming across clear.  Are you saying the l3 and r3 buttons can be switched to the rear corner trigger buttons which you can access with your fingers while keeping your thumbs on both sticks?

I meant l3 becomes r3 and vice versa, but that should be passabel too! Hell from what i heard youshould be able to change a config sowhere to even make the volume buttons l3 and r3 or the android navigation buttons if you would want...

The l3 and r3 swap wouldn't help as I explained earlier, ie you need to keep both thumbs on the sticks in a FPS. 

But if you can swap the triggers or otherwise for r3 as I queried , then that would be good. Not as good as clickable sticks , but going some way to being a workable solution

AFAIK,you can swap anything around in the josystick driver in any way you want. I believe skelton might know more/how to do it? :-)
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Post by: skelton on August 10, 2015, 04:41:07 pm
A change in buttons can be done in theory via kernel, but not necessary, because it can be also done with Tincore keymapper.
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Post by: SONY on August 11, 2015, 01:52:07 am
The device just arrived, customs charge was 170usd because GPD valued at $300 LOL for no reason at all ill try to contact them to see why they did that. Added comparison pics, ill work on the review set up rite away..box is very nice

Did they tell you why yet?
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Post by: b0h3mian on August 11, 2015, 08:40:29 am
Will appreciate if you can do more PPSSPP videos, primarily looking at the XD to play my old PSP games.

Thank you!!!
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Post by: Melquiades on August 11, 2015, 08:51:25 am
The device just arrived, customs charge was 170usd because GPD valued at $300 LOL for no reason at all ill try to contact them to see why they did that. Added comparison pics, ill work on the review set up rite away..box is very nice

You shouldn't have accepted it until you had clarified this with GPD, or opened a Paypal case. I believe not even Paypal will protect you for that loss now. I have used Paypal to get a refund from a scam and got them to pay for the shipping of the faulty Q9. It only takes time, they pay, but you have to have a clear case as per their rules.
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Post by: SONY on August 11, 2015, 11:24:42 am
Tell PayPal anyway, just in case.
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Post by: nielo360 on August 11, 2015, 04:21:09 pm
Sorry for the delay video is still processing, I was unable to do ookala network tests due unreliable internet.  A missed the Mondern combat and Dungeon hunter tests but I shall try to do a follow up, hope this is helpfull to somebody.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJaMRM7qjI
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 11, 2015, 04:40:06 pm
Sorry for the delay video is still processing, I was unable to do ookala network tests due unreliable internet.  A missed the Mondern combat and Dungeon hunter tests but I shall try to do a follow up, hope this is helpfull to somebody.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJaMRM7qjI

The title sounds super promising XD will look at it later :3
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Post by: skelton on August 11, 2015, 04:56:28 pm
nielo360, can you try latest Retroarch from play store and tell me if controls are autodetected? I know XD uses a different joystick driver than q9 (xbox driver vs ps3 driver in q9), so not sure if new Retroarch can detect controls properly. Thanks.

Seeing the video it seems you thnk device is running at 1,2 ghz. If you can set 1,4 in setcpu then it's 1,4, but RK3288 has some temperature controls so that CPU can go down to 1,2 or even 1,0 after reaching a certain temperature. Most probably can be changed like in q9 and get 1,8 ghz, but it would require that GPD make free kernel source.

Also, another question. Can you swap  internal and external memories like in q9 or is the memory unified with datamedia layout?

All in all, thanks for the video. Seems a nice device certainly.
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Post by: nielo360 on August 11, 2015, 05:06:34 pm
nielo360, can you try latest Retroarch from play store and tell me if controls are autodetected? I know XD uses a different joystick driver than q9 (xbox driver vs ps3 driver in q9), so not sure if new Retroarch can detect controls properly. Thanks.

Seeing the video it seems you thnk device is running at 1,2 ghz. If you can set 1,4 in setcpu then it's 1,4, but RK3288 has some temperature controls so that CPU can go down to 1,2 or even 1,0 after reaching a certain temperature. Most probably can be changed like in q9 and get 1,8 ghz, but it would require that GPD make free kernel source.

Also, another question. Can you swap  internal and external memories like in q9 is memory unified with datamedia layout?

All in all, thanks for the video. Seems a nice device certainly.
Ill check up retroarch now.

The reason I felt it was running at below 1.4 is due to slightly slower psp emulation and the lack of any warmth on the system despite set cpu showing it as 1.4ghz (q9 does get a bit warm as any normal device at 1.4 but this does not)

This does not have the swap storage option as far as I see(the q9 has it under storage option which is missing in the xd)
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Post by: nielo360 on August 11, 2015, 05:12:15 pm
retroarch does not work properly with the xd, You can launch retroarch but cant tap or click on anything you can only scroll down and up by hand.  Retroarch has become extremely buggy even on the shield portable.
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Post by: skelton on August 11, 2015, 05:24:06 pm
retroarch does not work properly with the xd, You can launch retroarch but cant tap or click on anything you can only scroll down and up by hand.  Retroarch has become extremely buggy even on the shield portable.

Umm I see. Probably must be mapped manually. In q9 it works like a charm with the fake playtation3 name. I will talk with GPD devs to see if they can change it, because Retroarch is my favourite emu frontend.

Strange that they included datamedia this time instead of the option of swapping memories.

Also, something I forgot, is refresh rate 60 hz? That is essential also to me.
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Post by: nielo360 on August 11, 2015, 05:29:43 pm
retroarch does not work properly with the xd, You can launch retroarch but cant tap or click on anything you can only scroll down and up by hand.  Retroarch has become extremely buggy even on the shield portable.

Umm I see. Probably must be mapped manually. In q9 it works like a charm with the fake playtation3 name. I will talk with GPD devs to see if they can change it, because Retroarch is my favourite emu frontend.

Strange that they included datamedia this time instead of the option of swapping memories.

Also, something I forgot, is refresh rate 60 hz? That is essential also to me.

the bug is actually with retroarch it refuses to even show onscreen controls unfortunately.

Refresh rate is 60. It was the first thing I checked:)

the swap memory may have been excluded in preparation for lollipop I assume.
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Post by: skelton on August 11, 2015, 05:34:00 pm
Umm I see thanks.
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Post by: Deen0X on August 11, 2015, 05:36:20 pm
thanks for the videoreview of the device, nielo. is so informative.
:D
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Post by: nielo360 on August 11, 2015, 05:43:13 pm
thanks for the videoreview of the device, nielo. is so informative.
:D

Welcome! look forward to your detailed review if you are getting the device!
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Post by: b0h3mian on August 11, 2015, 06:41:45 pm
Thank you so much for the video! Finished it in its entirely :D
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Post by: lemmywinks on August 11, 2015, 07:53:47 pm
Great review, thanks! This looks like a great console, I think I'll have to order one soon. Weirdly just traded my DS and 3DS for the XL versions recently so this might be my 3rd oversize DS console!
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 11, 2015, 09:58:21 pm
Great!!!!!!!!!

Hope they ship it soon!

So the screen is great, but is it brighter at max brightness then on the q9?

Also, crap? That hurts... I love my q9 even tough i think this one will be even better! *snif*
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 11, 2015, 10:06:25 pm
Oh btw i really think it will be 1.4... I think i know why ppsspp is bit slower. Is it set to 1:1 render resolution?

In that case the culprit might be the 720p screen versus the 1024x600 on the q9 :-)
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Post by: on August 11, 2015, 10:26:04 pm
It probably isn't 1.4GHz, because it should produce the same amount of heat, and it should be easier to feel - since it doesn't have any vent holes, so it should all go to the frame.

Good review, it seems they haven't got the hinge quite right. It currently works by using friction, and that's a far inferior solution to proper locking. With enough use, it'll probably get loose and start wiggling.

The magnet on the bumper is a nice touch, consider me impressed.

Also, nielo, you have hyper-flexible fingers and thumbs. That's cool.
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Post by: MicroByte on August 11, 2015, 10:27:11 pm
Great video, I think it sealed my interest in picking one up in the future sometime.  Hopefully the first batches roll out and any issues get tweaked or taken care of by the time I'm ready to dive in.

Any reports on battery life?  Sorry if mentioned it, I must have missed it.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 11, 2015, 10:41:09 pm
It probably isn't 1.4GHz, because it should produce the same amount of heat, and it should be easier to feel - since it doesn't have any vent holes, so it should all go to the frame.

Good review, it seems they haven't got the hinge quite right. It currently works by using friction, and that's a far inferior solution to proper locking. With enough use, it'll probably get loose and start wiggling.

The magnet on the bumper is a nice touch, consider me impressed.

Also, nielo, you have hyper-flexible fingers and thumbs. That's cool.

Maybe but maybe the metal enclosures around the hardware soak up the heat? Or the heatsink? Also the q9 at 1.4 ghz barely heatsup at all.

Could you please explain in some more detail what you mean to say about the hinge? Friction of what on what, and how do you mean "designed to use friction"? Just curious :-) also the 3ds seems to wiggle out of the box, when he shakes it around the xd definitely seems sturdier - what is their to fear even if it does start to wiggle a bit?

And hyperflexible fingers/thumbs? Lol
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Post by: on August 11, 2015, 10:58:37 pm
The DS is designed to lock into certain positions by using empty slots on the hinge and some sort of a peg that's pressed against it. It should wiggle in any position apart from the locked one. Every time you go out of a locked state, you force the peg down.
The XD is designed to lock into every position, meaning it doesn't use empty slots on the hinge, but friction on it to hold it in place. Every time you go out of a locked state, you are putting in more force than the friction is providing. In time, the hinge will get loose so the amount of friction it'll put on the hinge is lessened. This will cause even small movements to break the lock, no matter the position the XD is in.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 11, 2015, 11:10:24 pm
The DS is designed to lock into certain positions by using empty slots on the hinge and some sort of a peg that's pressed against it. It should wiggle in any position apart from the locked one. Every time you go out of a locked state, you force the peg down.
The XD is designed to lock into every position, meaning it doesn't use empty slots on the hinge, but friction on it to hold it in place. Every time you go out of a locked state, you are putting in more force than the friction is providing. In time, the hinge will get loose so the amount of friction it'll put on the hinge is lessened. This will cause even small movements to break the lock, no matter the position the XD is in.

But arent you basically saying that in time the hinge will move smoother? I mean no pressure, not even a little bit , will be put on it when just gamint on the lower part
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Post by: lemmywinks on August 11, 2015, 11:11:17 pm
also the 3ds seems to wiggle out of the box, when he shakes it around the xd definitely seems sturdier - what is their to fear even if it does start to wiggle a bit?

The DSi XL, 3DS and 3DS XL all have wiggly hinges from factory. It's part of the design, maybe to combat the hinge breakages which plagued the NDS and DS Lite.

And yeah I noticed the flexible fingers too neilo, you should play jazz!
(http://jonimitchell.com/library/images/871.jpg)
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Post by: mujotomi on August 11, 2015, 11:37:58 pm
The device just arrived, customs charge was 170usd because GPD valued at $300 LOL for no reason at all ill try to contact them to see why they did that. Added comparison pics, ill work on the review set up rite away..box is very nice

You shouldn't have accepted it until you had clarified this with GPD, or opened a Paypal case. I believe not even Paypal will protect you for that loss now. I have used Paypal to get a refund from a scam and got them to pay for the shipping of the faulty Q9. It only takes time, they pay, but you have to have a clear case as per their rules.

I don't see where's the problem. He can always (well, in my country in 8 days but even after that you can file a law suit) show the original invoice to his customs officials and demand the over-payed money back. Probably GPD added 1 zero by mistake - Chinese sellers are known to declare smaller values to avoid paying taxes; and it's disgusting that customs officials don't check (or disregard, perhaps) the real price unless they think the declared one is too small. Bottom line is that I wouldn't contact GPD at all but just send the invoice to the customs.
Unless he got it for free. Then I would send them the link to GPD's home page ...
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Post by: nielo360 on August 12, 2015, 02:35:40 am
The DS is designed to lock into certain positions by using empty slots on the hinge and some sort of a peg that's pressed against it. It should wiggle in any position apart from the locked one. Every time you go out of a locked state, you force the peg down.
The XD is designed to lock into every position, meaning it doesn't use empty slots on the hinge, but friction on it to hold it in place. Every time you go out of a locked state, you are putting in more force than the friction is providing. In time, the hinge will get loose so the amount of friction it'll put on the hinge is lessened. This will cause even small movements to break the lock, no matter the position the XD is in.

this explanation is much better than mine, I was thinking about one of those old alienware 11x's which had hinge creaking, although its not as severe this may or may not be a problem only time will tell.
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Post by: nielo360 on August 12, 2015, 02:36:05 am
also the 3ds seems to wiggle out of the box, when he shakes it around the xd definitely seems sturdier - what is their to fear even if it does start to wiggle a bit?

The DSi XL, 3DS and 3DS XL all have wiggly hinges from factory. It's part of the design, maybe to combat the hinge breakages which plagued the NDS and DS Lite.

And yeah I noticed the flexible fingers too neilo, you should play jazz!
(http://jonimitchell.com/library/images/871.jpg)

LMAO!!! hahahahaha
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Post by: nielo360 on August 12, 2015, 02:42:11 am
Oh btw i really think it will be 1.4... I think i know why ppsspp is bit slower. Is it set to 1:1 render resolution?

In that case the culprit might be the 720p screen versus the 1024x600 on the q9 :-)

You may be right, however even at 1x, I had slowdown with the XD in psp emulation, which did not happen with the q9's older firmware. 1x I assume tends to be actual psp resolution unless its a bug and running at 720p(much i5s had this issue)

As someone pointed out, the lack of heat actualy makes me wonder about the real cpu clock, Skeleton had investigated it in the Q9 and discovered real clocks so we will have to wait and see what he says if he is getting the system
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Post by: SONY on August 12, 2015, 04:24:48 am
I'm getting sick of these stupid GPD XD fangirls (might only be one member on here actually, lol) on Dingoonity!!!
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Post by: Dual on August 12, 2015, 04:55:48 am
Nice video review. I did not hear you mention the battery life of the unit. How long does it last at full charge.
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Post by: nielo360 on August 12, 2015, 05:04:59 am
Nice video review. I did not hear you mention the battery life of the unit. How long does it last at full charge.

Although I did not thoroughly test the battery life I did  add it on the annotation text as an approximate of 5-7 hours of retro gaming since it did last almost all day while testing out retro games 16bit to 32bit, 1hr of Ds and psp combined. The 6000mah battery will give you great battery life at 1.4 ghz.
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Post by: SONY on August 12, 2015, 05:23:19 am
How long for Android games like say...Dead Trigger 2?
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Post by: nielo360 on August 12, 2015, 06:01:05 am
How long for Android games like say...Dead Trigger 2?

that would be hard to say but it should be on par with the Q9 Id aprox at 4 to 5 depending on how much of the wifi is in use as its an online only game.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 06:38:30 am
That is a bit longer then i would expect esp. for retro games... did you set brightness to max all the time?
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Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 12, 2015, 09:02:05 am
Looks like there is a firmware update already:  http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.php/2015/08/11/gpd-xd-android4-4-rk3288-gamepad-newest-update-firmware-win8-ui-en-preinstallation-files/
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Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 09:08:16 am
This one seems even newer:

http://pan.baidu.com/s/1hqfazzQ
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 09:11:47 am
Even tough they're not shipping yet...
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Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 09:14:41 am
Even tough they're not shipping yet...

But chinese people have accessed the test version, as nielo. The firmware will be the same in final versions of the device.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 09:29:00 am
Even tough they're not shipping yet...

But chinese people have accessed the test version, as nielo. The firmware will be the same in final versions of the device.

Okay good point. I hope the final version will have this latest version then especially for the analog range fix!

Also skelton, do you know, if (by and large) the xbox360 driver they went for this time will be as compatible as the ps3 one on the q9? The q9 works out of box with basically any joystick enabled android game, should the same (by-and-large) be true for this driver? I know from legacyrom 2.0 on g5a that changing name of driver can break support - like both modern combat 4 and expendables rearmed both sudenly did not see any joystick with the new "g5a-joy" driver, while on the stock firmware they both mapped 100% perfectly out of the box...
So i am a bit concerned about gpd changing their super-compatible driver. (Purely talking about android games here).

Btw nielo, you praised the analogs into high heaven, so i assume they went to -1 from 1+, ie full range covered?

And like sony, i would really like to see android games with controller support: modern combat 4, asphalt 8, dead trigger 2, max payne, gta san andreas, those kind of games :-)

Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 10:17:39 am
No idea, the problem with MC4 is that it doesn't detect controls following HID standard, but just specific gamepads. It's poorly programmed, and they fixed the issue with MC5. If games detect controls following HID standard, most games will work no matter the driver name. MC4 can be used in my rom with Tincore though in g5a, just use mode M in tincore and you are emulating a MOGA. The same can be applied with Nova 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMvPdsDvDTo

About expendable rearmed, it works out of the box with controls with my rom in g5a, so I don't know why it wasn't working for you.

Also, no idea about the analog range issue you mention. Are you refering to XD? Is there a problem with analog range? Because nielo hasn't reported anything like that.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 10:24:38 am
Thanks that explains it! Also i believe after googling it should work :-)

Otherwise, would it be posible to replace the driver with Ps3? (Poorly programmed or not, if some games work with all joysticks, and others with some specific ones, then it's a good idea to name your joystick after one of those specific ones - all the good games will still work anyway, so its win-win! ) (EDIT: And i like the stock mapper better then tincore, nice and simple and does the job)

And about analog range, i am guessing there was because of the geekbuying blog linked above. The changelog includes

"3, this version is to optimize these problems: can?t open some games, optimize the storage driver, fix part of the rocker can not reach +/-1, upgrade some applications, optimize the heating problem."

So i guess there was a "rocker" problem on some firmwares...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 12, 2015, 10:39:33 am
Thanks that explains it! Also i believe after googling it should work :-)

Otherwise, would it be posible to replace the driver with Ps3? (Poorly programmed or not, if some games work with all joysticks, and others with some specific ones, then it's a good idea to name your joystick after one of those specific ones - all the good games will still work anyway, so its win-win! ) (EDIT: And i like the stock mapper better then tincore, nice and simple and does the job)

And about analog range, i am guessing there was because of the geekbuying blog linked above. The changelog includes

"3, this version is to optimize these problems: can?t open some games, optimize the storage driver, fix part of the rocker can not reach +/-1, upgrade some applications, optimize the heating problem."

So i guess there was a "rocker" problem on some firmwares...

thats odd I have no issue with analog range, Im not sure if I should update as everything works fine for me.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 12, 2015, 10:41:27 am
ok so apperently this firmware is for people with heating issues or geekbuying is simply misinformed with the change log probably the extremely early units, which means mine is the updated  retail version.

there are no analog range issues.
no heat issues.
no optomizing issues.

That changelog seems odd like its for another device.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 10:50:21 am
ok so apperently this firmware is for people with heating issues or geekbuying is simply misinformed with the change log probably the extremely early units, which means mine is the updated  retail version.

there are no analog range issues.
no heat issues.
no optomizing issues.

That changelog seems odd like its for another device.

Thank you! Also makes me hopefull they will sent the preorders out in a few days as they say. I am do waiting!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 11:06:32 am
Thanks that explains it! Also i believe after googling it should work :-)

Otherwise, would it be posible to replace the driver with Ps3? (Poorly programmed or not, if some games work with all joysticks, and others with some specific ones, then it's a good idea to name your joystick after one of those specific ones - all the good games will still work anyway, so its win-win! ) (EDIT: And i like the stock mapper better then tincore, nice and simple and does the job)

And about analog range, i am guessing there was because of the geekbuying blog linked above. The changelog includes

"3, this version is to optimize these problems: can?t open some games, optimize the storage driver, fix part of the rocker can not reach +/-1, upgrade some applications, optimize the heating problem."

So i guess there was a "rocker" problem on some firmwares...

When I said poorly programmed I meant Modern Combat 4, not the joystick driver. If a game only detects controller based on joystick name it's clearly badly programmed. In fact in MC5 is fine and following HID standards.

About changing the joystick driver, of course can be done with kernel source, but that depends on GPD ot of they decide it to change it. In fact, in q9 since 2.1.0 that fake xbox driver is also included, but I didn't want it to use in my rom.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: mujotomi on August 12, 2015, 11:42:39 am

Thank you! Also makes me hopefull they will sent the preorders out in a few days as they say. I am do waiting!

I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were you - even if they get the stock in a few days, it would likely take a week more to send out the items, especially since (I think) there're many pre-orders. That is, judging by my latest experience - in the last 2 weeks I made 2 orders with them; the 1st one they sent me 4 days and the 2nd one 6 days after I ordered. Maybe they're understaffed now or just too busy with XD, he he.

Except if they will send first to those who ordered first - I gather you'd be lucky then ...  ;D
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 01:04:59 pm

Thank you! Also makes me hopefull they will sent the preorders out in a few days as they say. I am do waiting!

I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were you - even if they get the stock in a few days, it would likely take a week more to send out the items, especially since (I think) there're many pre-orders. That is, judging by my latest experience - in the last 2 weeks I made 2 orders with them; the 1st one they sent me 4 days and the 2nd one 6 days after I ordered. Maybe they're understaffed now or just too busy with XD, he he.

Except if they will send first to those who ordered first - I gather you'd be lucky then ...  ;D

Yeah, honestly i expect it to happen sometime between here snd 31th of august. Dhl should have it here in 3 days then. I ordered my q9 wednesday afternoon, had it monday afternoon, but could have been faster if i paid the custom charge quicker XD

But at least i hope they actually stock the webshops tomorrow like the ad said in the other thread...

Well if it's this good it's worth the wait!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: a330boy on August 12, 2015, 01:23:11 pm
ok so apperently this firmware is for people with heating issues or geekbuying is simply misinformed with the change log probably the extremely early units, which means mine is the updated  retail version.

there are no analog range issues.
no heat issues.
no optomizing issues.

That changelog seems odd like its for another device.
I want this xd but emulators audio come later when screen playing old games? Does xd play mp3 files?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: Melquiades on August 12, 2015, 02:32:26 pm
After finally being able to see the review in entirety it seems that as suspected, the dpad ruins AGAIN what could have been the best android console to date. A real pity.

I still hope GPD will come to their senses and release an updated G5A with a saturn style dpad. It is frustrating, they have the right pieces, they just have to put them together.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 02:40:27 pm
After finally being able to see the review in entirety it seems that as suspected, the dpad ruins AGAIN what could have been the best android console to date. A real pity.

I still hope GPD will come to their senses and release an updated G5A with a saturn style dpad. It is frustrating, they have the right pieces, they just have to put them together.

Its a shame its small, but we can see in the video it works very well, responsiveness and diagonals are superb. (That contra game showed that quite well!)

I think one of the reasoms they went with this, is what nielo says in the video: it's perfect for people with smaller hands. And chinese people have on average *much* smaller hands then most westerners.

Anyway yes its a shame its small butngiven it works like a charm, the analogs are brilliant, the device is ergonomic , speakers actually sound good for once (i was impressed with far cry 4 at max volume, did not sound tinny at all like it does on the q9) and the screen is clearly miles ahead of that... Thing on the 3ds xl, i can live with a smaller dpad! I was more concerned it would not work well, but that is clearly not the case...

Nielo: am i right that its about the same size as the dpad on gameboy color? I just tried that one again and its fine for me :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 02:46:50 pm
After finally being able to see the review in entirety it seems that as suspected, the dpad ruins AGAIN what could have been the best android console to date. A real pity.

I still hope GPD will come to their senses and release an updated G5A with a saturn style dpad. It is frustrating, they have the right pieces, they just have to put them together.

I think this dpad should be quite usable, pretty much in the line of dpad of JXD devices or PSvita, which is also very small- Pretty average on quality but more or less usable. I will tell you if I can test a device someday, Of course a dpad like in q9 is much better, but I suppose It was difficult to include it in this mold.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 03:01:51 pm
After finally being able to see the review in entirety it seems that as suspected, the dpad ruins AGAIN what could have been the best android console to date. A real pity.

I still hope GPD will come to their senses and release an updated G5A with a saturn style dpad. It is frustrating, they have the right pieces, they just have to put them together.

I think this dpad should be quite usable, pretty much in the line of dpad of JXD devices or PSvita, which is also very small- Pretty average on quality but more or less usable. I will tell you if I can test a device someday, Of course a dpad like in q9 is much better, but I suppose It was difficult to include it in this mold.

I think the one on the Q9 would break when folded for long time, because the stem would be under constant pressure...

they did put it on their mars gamebox?s controller and the Q9 so they clearly like the design, but I think that stem would be a problem here...

Also... I really hope it?s not like the one on the vita.... UGH... but tastes differ. But I find the vta one really really bad. separate parts, not really smooth, difficult to do diagonals on... the one on the old gameboy color (which xd?s one seems to feel/behave like) is 100 times better IMHO...

I agree with you on it being usable probably tough, in fact the diagonals seem way better then I expected. :D
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 03:12:13 pm
MM, I have no problems at all with Vita dpad, is a bit small but not problems at all making diagonals or using fighting games.
It's not superb but not terrible. Though I must admit that I play pretty well which almost all dpads, even 360 and ps4 dpads that are a bit bad.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 03:16:34 pm
MM, I have no problems at all with Vita dpad, is a bit small but not problems at all making diagonals or using fighting games.
It's not superb but not terrible. Though I must admit that I play pretty well which almost all dpads, even 360 and ps4 dpads that are a bit bad.

The 360... NOO!! I tried playing contra 3 on zsnes with that, and I couldn?t even stay ducked! (so I got shot by the first cannon in the first level because my character did not keep his head down...)

Anyway, which skill is that? I want to invest some game-level-up points into it, so I can play with all dpads too XD
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Post by: SONY on August 12, 2015, 03:25:52 pm
These idiots on YouTube complaining about he clockspeed have nothing else better to do. Maybe they should buy a laptop and shove it in their small ass pockets!!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 04:22:53 pm
These idiots on YouTube complaining about he clockspeed have nothing else better to do. Maybe they should buy a laptop and shove it in their small ass pockets!!

Thay have it very easy. They can make a custom kernel to run it at 1,8 ghz. There is no big difference in RK3288 bewteen running at 1,4 or 1,8 anyway
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Post by: crazyhorse2352 on August 12, 2015, 05:27:24 pm
   Are GPD sending you a device Skelton, hope so, anyway this thing looks sweet!
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Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 05:35:43 pm
   Are GPD sending you a device Skelton, hope so, anyway this thing looks sweet!

No idea, I am on vacation and it's been some time since I talked with GPD devs.

BTW nielo, if you have some time can you test Antutu X? (It is installed in cojunction with play store version)

http://soft.antutu.com/soft/Antutu-X-Benchmark.apk

I say because Antutu is normally cheated in RK SDK. As an example, this what I get when running in q9 with my firmware, you can notice the great difference among versions.

(http://i60.tinypic.com/2exvkg6.jpg)

And with Antutu X:

(http://i62.tinypic.com/vhr34.jpg)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: LordDavon on August 12, 2015, 09:06:24 pm
...I am on vacation...

*Jaw hits floor*

I've heard of those... never thought they were real!

;-)
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 12, 2015, 09:13:23 pm
...I am on vacation...

*Jaw hits floor*

I've heard of those... never thought they were real!

;-)

Naw I can confirm they are real, my is from a place called universi-tee, and it?s almost three months long!

:-P
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 09:14:54 pm
...I am on vacation...

*Jaw hits floor*

I've heard of those... never thought they were real!

;-)

It was something imaginary for me, but at least this year I could take some few days from work xDDD
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: mujotomi on August 12, 2015, 10:22:17 pm

Yeah, honestly i expect it to happen sometime between here snd 31th of august. Dhl should have it here in 3 days then. I ordered my q9 wednesday afternoon, had it monday afternoon, but could have been faster if i paid the custom charge quicker XD

But at least i hope they actually stock the webshops tomorrow like the ad said in the other thread...

Well if it's this good it's worth the wait!

Call me cheap but (normally) I like to torcher myself and wait for a few weeks - 3 days is too quick for me; well, and I don't like to give to the customs any more than I should (shipping fees are included in the calculation of taxes).
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Post by: mujotomi on August 12, 2015, 10:38:49 pm

Also... I really hope it?s not like the one on the vita.... UGH... but tastes differ. But I find the vta one really really bad. separate parts, not really smooth, difficult to do diagonals on... the one on the old gameboy color (which xd?s one seems to feel/behave like) is 100 times better IMHO...

I agree with you on it being usable probably tough, in fact the diagonals seem way better then I expected. :D

What are you whinning  ;D I have Yinlips YDPG27; my dear, does its dpad make me do unintentional mistakes. I don't know why, but I still like that console. And Vita I didn't even turned on for 6 months now - still waiting for some native hack (or shouldn't I say that here) ...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: mujotomi on August 12, 2015, 10:44:12 pm

I say because Antutu is normally cheated in RK SDK. As an example, this what I get when running in q9 with my firmware, you can notice the great difference among versions.


I'm not familiar with these test tools - are there any that would get "Verified score!"? Or is lower score a priori the more accurate one?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 12, 2015, 10:57:32 pm

I say because Antutu is normally cheated in RK SDK. As an example, this what I get when running in q9 with my firmware, you can notice the great difference among versions.


I'm not familiar with these test tools - are there any that would get "Verified score!"? Or is lower score a priori the more accurate one?

Well, there is no perfect benchmark I guess, but Antutu X is more accurate for sure than the "standard" version.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 13, 2015, 06:39:15 am

I say because Antutu is normally cheated in RK SDK. As an example, this what I get when running in q9 with my firmware, you can notice the great difference among versions.


I'm not familiar with these test tools - are there any that would get "Verified score!"? Or is lower score a priori the more accurate one?

Well, there is no perfect benchmark I guess, but Antutu X is more accurate for sure than the "standard" version.

checking with antutu x now, ill add the results.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 13, 2015, 06:55:14 am
antutu x scores
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2505fes.png)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: b0h3mian on August 13, 2015, 08:37:08 am
A question to ask the pros here, would it be prudent if I were to get the XD primarily for some PPSSPP gaming? I understand that many games do not run at 100%, and there will be tweaking involved for each individual game

:)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 13, 2015, 08:52:58 am
A question to ask the pros here, would it be prudent if I were to get the XD primarily for some PPSSPP gaming? I understand that many games do not run at 100%, and there will be tweaking involved for each individual game

:)

It depends on the PSP games you want to play. Sme games are slow even in more powerful devices than RK3288 so it depends on the game.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 13, 2015, 08:54:21 am
antutu x scores
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2505fes.png)

Thanks nielo. That's a normal score for a rk3288 device. Seeing CPU results it's probably running at 1,4 ghz. My screenshot of antutu X was of q9 running a kernel at 1,8, so the difference in score is normal.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 13, 2015, 09:16:32 am
A question to ask the pros here, would it be prudent if I were to get the XD primarily for some PPSSPP gaming? I understand that many games do not run at 100%, and there will be tweaking involved for each individual game

:)

I would say sure since its form factor is quiet nice and although performance in psp emulation is not as good as mainstream phones, with a custom kernel and some tweaking youll be fine for quiet a few games. Some games will run perfectly fine without frameskip. Since you already understand that 100% speed may not be viable always you will enjoy the system.

My oneplus one with the snapdragon 801 was quiet powerful..but the non 60hz display made it a jitter fest to play, so you have to be careful while picking up a powerful devices as well..this is one of the reason's the tegra iplay failed.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 13, 2015, 09:19:48 am
A question to ask the pros here, would it be prudent if I were to get the XD primarily for some PPSSPP gaming? I understand that many games do not run at 100%, and there will be tweaking involved for each individual game

:)

I would say sure since its form factor is quiet nice and although performance in psp emulation is not as good as mainstream phones, with a custom kernel and some tweaking youll be fine for quiet a few games. Some games will run perfectly fine without frameskip. Since you already understand that 100% speed may not be viable always you will enjoy the system.

Actually the vast majority of games i tried, and i clocked mine at 1.4

But not all... So what ar some Games you want to play? I might be able to tell you from q9 how they run :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: b0h3mian on August 13, 2015, 10:01:55 am
Thanks for the responses!

I'm debating whether to get an old PSP3000 or to get the XD.

Since the XD can do much more, and I'm interested in some of the android games.

Some of the PSP games i'm looking into

? Ace Combat
? Wipeout
? Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII
? Loco Roco
? Patapon

Or maybe i should get BOTH the psp AND the XD haha.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 13, 2015, 10:35:55 am
Thanks for the responses!

I'm debating whether to get an old PSP3000 or to get the XD.

Since the XD can do much more, and I'm interested in some of the android games.

Some of the PSP games i'm looking into

? Ace Combat
? Wipeout
? Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII
? Loco Roco
? Patapon

Or maybe i should get BOTH the psp AND the XD haha.

Xd, definitely. I mean, hell if psp game not run fullspeed, you can run ppsspp on desktop and stream it :-)
plus pc games streamed, ds games local, n64 games, some dreamcast and dont forgot ansroid actually has a really good cheap library iteelf: gta games, max payne, implosion, asphalt, modern combat, chaos rings, crazy taxi, supermonkeyball, batman, riptide gp 2 etc etc.
And the psp games that run can be played with good analogs!

nyway, ff 7 run nice i remember. Did not try the rest, but offcourse ace combat 3 run perfect on psx emu. Also tried valkyria chronicles 2, kh birth by sleep, project diva exten and two, god eater, nfs most wanted, persona 3 portwble, a k-on, all stable and full speed and no graphic or sound isseus or input lag. Burnout dominator was only unplayable game. So most run fine :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 13, 2015, 11:58:53 am

Some of the PSP games i'm looking into

? Ace Combat
? Wipeout
? Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII
? Loco Roco
? Patapon

Or maybe i should get BOTH the psp AND the XD haha.

Ace Combat X is almost full speed, setting it to unbuffered render is full speed, but missing some graphics.

Wipeout Pulse is slow, you need frameskip to 2 aprox. to make ir "playable".

Crisis Core VII seems to run full speed.

No idea about the other games sorry.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 13, 2015, 12:34:00 pm
A question to ask the pros here, would it be prudent if I were to get the XD primarily for some PPSSPP gaming? I understand that many games do not run at 100%, and there will be tweaking involved for each individual game

:)

I would say sure since its form factor is quiet nice and although performance in psp emulation is not as good as mainstream phones, with a custom kernel and some tweaking youll be fine for quiet a few games. Some games will run perfectly fine without frameskip. Since you already understand that 100% speed may not be viable always you will enjoy the system.

My oneplus one with the snapdragon 801 was quiet powerful..but the non 60hz display made it a jitter fest to play, so you have to be careful while picking up a powerful devices as well..this is one of the reason's the tegra iplay failed.

Dont forget tough these a17 cores pack one hell of a punch per mhz... Theyre only a tad slower then a57 and way faster then a53. 4 of these things at 1.4 should be comparable to about 2.0 ghz quadcore cortex a9 and 2.2-2.4 quad core a7. (The new 3ds xl has a "improved cpu", meaning two a7 cores at 1.2 ghz insteae of 1.0... The poor little trashcan, a raspberry pi new model is twice as fast...)

In the end, it completely utterly massacres the cpu of the new 3ds, is on equal terms with the vita 's theoretical limit, but tons faster irl because the vita has a shit battery so no one runs it at max frequency (the one in the xd is more then twice as large as the vita) and on par with the shield portable. It has more gpu features meaning better graphics, better analogs, better portability, and is cheaper tough.

Not saying they are as fast as super phones but something to keep in mind ... Also, the cpu performance will be on par with a good midrange phone. The gpu performance is better then even  the note 4 and s6 edge (same gpu, 4 instead of 8 cores but otherwise identical, half the screen res actually make the xd about 50% faster in 3d game performance, and the screen is clearly still very clear/beautifull)..

Considering diminishing returns in terms of emulation when it comes to more cpu power, and the fact that more gpu power always stays usefull, this is literally the best you can get in a handheld. I think they literally build the best handheld 5 inch you technically can right now in this form factor, and the fact that not only does it run everything you throw at it native android or 99% of emulation at 60fps but also stays super cool, is ergonomic, light, solid, has a brilliant display, great battery life, is stable and costs half of a new 3ds xl, is almost the 8th world wonder IMHO.

Having said that, it'snot like gpd should get al! The credit here. Rockchip deserves a lot of kudos too. If they had put another relatively weak gpu i the 3288, it would have ended up in the XD. So they both did a great job!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 13, 2015, 12:43:13 pm
A question to ask the pros here, would it be prudent if I were to get the XD primarily for some PPSSPP gaming? I understand that many games do not run at 100%, and there will be tweaking involved for each individual game

:)

I would say sure since its form factor is quiet nice and although performance in psp emulation is not as good as mainstream phones, with a custom kernel and some tweaking youll be fine for quiet a few games. Some games will run perfectly fine without frameskip. Since you already understand that 100% speed may not be viable always you will enjoy the system.

My oneplus one with the snapdragon 801 was quiet powerful..but the non 60hz display made it a jitter fest to play, so you have to be careful while picking up a powerful devices as well..this is one of the reason's the tegra iplay failed.

Dont forget tough these a17 cores pack one hell of a punch per mhz... Theyre only a tad slower then a57 and way faster then a53. 4 of these things at 1.4 should be comparable to about 2.0 ghz qudcore cortex a9 and 2.2-2.4 quad core a7.

Not saying they are ad fast super phones but something to keep in mind ...

It depends on the chip. My MTK phone with a53 cores is a bit faster than this RK3288.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 13, 2015, 12:56:13 pm
A question to ask the pros here, would it be prudent if I were to get the XD primarily for some PPSSPP gaming? I understand that many games do not run at 100%, and there will be tweaking involved for each individual game

:)

I would say sure since its form factor is quiet nice and although performance in psp emulation is not as good as mainstream phones, with a custom kernel and some tweaking youll be fine for quiet a few games. Some games will run perfectly fine without frameskip. Since you already understand that 100% speed may not be viable always you will enjoy the system.

My oneplus one with the snapdragon 801 was quiet powerful..but the non 60hz display made it a jitter fest to play, so you have to be careful while picking up a powerful devices as well..this is one of the reason's the tegra iplay failed.

Dont forget tough these a17 cores pack one hell of a punch per mhz... Theyre only a tad slower then a57 and way faster then a53. 4 of these things at 1.4 should be comparable to about 2.0 ghz qudcore cortex a9 and 2.2-2.4 quad core a7.

Not saying they are ad fast super phones but something to keep in mind ...

It depends on the chip. My MTK phone with a53 cores is a bit faster than this RK3288.

But how many cores, and which clockspeed?

Anyway, i just meant they are not "slow" at all just "midrange". :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 13, 2015, 01:33:29 pm
A question to ask the pros here, would it be prudent if I were to get the XD primarily for some PPSSPP gaming? I understand that many games do not run at 100%, and there will be tweaking involved for each individual game

:)

I would say sure since its form factor is quiet nice and although performance in psp emulation is not as good as mainstream phones, with a custom kernel and some tweaking youll be fine for quiet a few games. Some games will run perfectly fine without frameskip. Since you already understand that 100% speed may not be viable always you will enjoy the system.

My oneplus one with the snapdragon 801 was quiet powerful..but the non 60hz display made it a jitter fest to play, so you have to be careful while picking up a powerful devices as well..this is one of the reason's the tegra iplay failed.

Dont forget tough these a17 cores pack one hell of a punch per mhz... Theyre only a tad slower then a57 and way faster then a53. 4 of these things at 1.4 should be comparable to about 2.0 ghz qudcore cortex a9 and 2.2-2.4 quad core a7.

Not saying they are ad fast super phones but something to keep in mind ...

It depends on the chip. My MTK phone with a53 cores is a bit faster than this RK3288.

But how many cores, and which clockspeed?

Anyway, i just meant they are not "slow" at all just "midrange". :-)

8 core at 1,7 ghz vs q9 at 1,8 ghz. But my a53 is faster even with single core operations, so the amount of cores is not so important.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 13, 2015, 02:47:18 pm
Okay, strange. XD

Anyway.

Some chinese guy made a video in chinese , important thing is, he shows Real Racing 3.  And I spot no on screen controls either, so it works natively. So for the people who wanted intensive android games to be shown.... here you go! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sa74T3u_c

(Also monster hunter portable, also running like a charm...)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: b0h3mian on August 13, 2015, 04:28:39 pm
Pre loved PSP systems are selling from 60-100 USD over at my area, which doesn't seems like a terrific deal to me. The XD at 170 USD is indeed very enticing.

I used to have a PSP Go, which I sold it because of its small size. My hands and eyes can't take it.

Running emulators from the NES to DS does seem more elegant on the XD due to the form factor and its 60Hz screen.

Anyways, super thanks for the feedback :)

Now I may need to convince the wife on why I need another gaming device!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: RetroVortex on August 13, 2015, 06:07:08 pm
I ordered one of these yesterday from GeekBuying, the 32gb black one, and I then read an old blog post that says this model won't be available. Is that true? I sent a support ticket asking about it, (also saying I don't mind if they send me a blue one, as long as it's 32gb). Have I messed up?
(I imagine it's going to take ages to get one regardless. But this device looks real neat so I hope it's worth the wait)

I kind of wanted something to replace my old Caanoo (with a dodgy battery).
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 13, 2015, 06:09:57 pm
I ordered one of these yesterday from GeekBuying, the 32gb black one, and I then read an old blog post that says this model won't be available. Is that true? I sent a support ticket asking about it, (also saying I don't mind if they send me a blue one, as long as it's 32gb). Have I messed up?
(I imagine it's going to take ages to get one regardless. But this device looks real neat so I hope it's worth the wait)

I kind of wanted something to replace my old Caanoo (with a dodgy battery).

32 GB is blue and 16 GB is black. Yep, it makes non sense, but it seems GPD decided that way.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: RetroVortex on August 13, 2015, 06:12:08 pm
I ordered one of these yesterday from GeekBuying, the 32gb black one, and I then read an old blog post that says this model won't be available. Is that true? I sent a support ticket asking about it, (also saying I don't mind if they send me a blue one, as long as it's 32gb). Have I messed up?
(I imagine it's going to take ages to get one regardless. But this device looks real neat so I hope it's worth the wait)

I kind of wanted something to replace my old Caanoo (with a dodgy battery).

32 GB is blue and 16 GB is black. Yep, it makes non sense, but it seems GPD decided that way.

Ah crap. Hopefully they'll respond to my support ticket soon. I really don't mind if they send me a blue one though.
(Or even a 16gb Black one, as long as they partially refund the difference. I'm going to want to stick a 128gb MicroSD in there anyway)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: re on August 13, 2015, 06:38:16 pm
I think I read somewhere here from either geekbuying or willgoo that the 32Gb version would be released later than the 16Gb ditto, or was it only regarding the 32Gb black version versus the blue one.  ???
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: chip on August 13, 2015, 07:17:41 pm
Can't watch the full video right now, but looking forward to it.

Can you please tell me if the play store is pre-installed?  If not, were you able to install it?

EDIT - Never mind.  I finally got a chance to watch the video and the play store is right on the home screen.  Great review, by the way.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: on August 13, 2015, 09:06:42 pm
This is really weird. I expected it to be around 30k-32k on Antutu X.
nielo, could you test it on Antutu X after heavy use? Like, 20-30 minutes of an intensive game like Modern Combat 5 or PPSSPP?
I think it might be overheating under the surface and that causes the throttling. We need more tests.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 13, 2015, 09:12:01 pm
This is really weird. I expected it to be around 30k-32k on Antutu X.
nielo, could you test it on Antutu X after heavy use? Like, 20-30 minutes of an intensive game like Modern Combat 5 or PPSSPP?
I think it might be overheating under the surface and that causes the throttling. We need more tests.

Isn't this only better?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 13, 2015, 09:18:28 pm
This is really weird. I expected it to be around 30k-32k on Antutu X.
nielo, could you test it on Antutu X after heavy use? Like, 20-30 minutes of an intensive game like Modern Combat 5 or PPSSPP?
I think it might be overheating under the surface and that causes the throttling. We need more tests.

Most RK3288 are about 34000-35000 in antutu X. I think the results are pretty normal. I get around 38000 in my q9 with overclocked kernel.

In my tvbox with RK3288 scores are pretty much the same.

RK3288 suffer from throttling if they run at 80 Celsius. The easiest way to check is setting governor performance in a cpu app, and after some time check if speed is the same. If speed has gone down a little bit after some time the cpu app will tell you. It happens to me in q9 if I run kernel 1,8 ghz for an hour or so in performance, that cpu go down to 1,6 ghz which is the next step I have configured in kernel in temp limits.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: on August 13, 2015, 09:36:54 pm
I'm not saying that the results aren't normal, I'm saying they don't fit the fact that it has problem running PSP games without frameskip. The way I see it, there can be 2 issues - either that the firmware is wonky about giving certain apps priority and resources, or it's getting throttled almost immediately. The fact it doesn't heat up significantly compared to other rk3288 make me learn toward the latter, which is why I wanted more tests.

If it can reach 34000 constantly, that's good! But I think it might have issues reaching it under heavy use.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 13, 2015, 10:06:30 pm
Well, as I say, the best and fastest way to know is just putting the system with governor performance for a while and see if the cpu scales down due to throttling.

The standard in RK3288 following kernel source is this:

performance-temp-limit = <
                   /*temp    freq*/
-                  80     1416000
-                  90     1200000
                   100     816000

For example, that is the standard in q9, but can be modified to something like:

                performance-temp-limit = <
                   /*temp    freq*/
+                  80     1608000
+                  90     1416000
                   100   1008000


This is what I use in my kernel in q9 and runs great.

Temp limits can also be disabled in RK kernel, but I don't suggest it unless it's a tvbox with a very good heatsink.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 13, 2015, 10:15:11 pm
I'm not saying that the results aren't normal, I'm saying they don't fit the fact that it has problem running PSP games without frameskip. The way I see it, there can be 2 issues - either that the firmware is wonky about giving certain apps priority and resources, or it's getting throttled almost immediately. The fact it doesn't heat up significantly compared to other rk3288 make me learn toward the latter, which is why I wanted more tests.

If it can reach 34000 constantly, that's good! But I think it might have issues reaching it under heavy use.

Point is, some psp games dont run fullspeed without frameskip in more powerfull devices as well. Its just some games run fullspeed on any halfway decent phone, and some others dont on any... As to the (small) differnce with the q9,, a default setting could be different, other version of the emulator, or other possible causes...

Also, the video i linked ealier includes like five minutes of real racing 3, and there is no visible slowdown whatsoever...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: XD on August 14, 2015, 03:14:46 am
Thanks for the video. I am nearly sold on the GPD XD as long as the rest of them have as good of build quality as yours does. But maybe they sent you the nicest one for a good early review?

Is the screen 720 or 768? Different sites are giving different specs. And does anyone know how much it will cost after "pre sell"?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 14, 2015, 03:15:57 am
720p
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: XD on August 14, 2015, 03:32:42 am
720p

Does it bother you that it looks exactly like a 3ds?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 14, 2015, 03:39:09 am
Everything looks like other things these days.  But I think its different enough to the 3DS for me. 

Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 14, 2015, 03:44:49 am
720p

Does it bother you that it looks exactly like a 3ds?

No.

It should act as a compliment to Nintendo.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 14, 2015, 05:23:00 am
It would annoy me if it were the same once open as well, but the control scheme, speakers, screen etc are all very different (and apparently much better, but that's besides the point)

Besides the didn't leave things out for sakeop copying: it has HDMI, that strap, that 3ds does not have, and the material is (shockingly) of higher quality. So, no :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 14, 2015, 05:27:52 am
Speakers
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: lemmywinks on August 14, 2015, 08:15:25 am
and the material is (shockingly) of higher quality. So, no :-)

I got a 3DS XL the other day, to be honest I would be hard pushed to think of a big name console with cheaper platstics. The shell and lid are thin and flimsy (I can bend it right back near the SD slot) and the actual fascia and screen surrounds are horrible. Like they borrowed some stock from POP Station. Shame as the DSi XL looks and feels great, they cheaped out on the 3DS version though.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: RetroVortex on August 14, 2015, 10:41:30 am
I finally managed to get through to a live chat on Geekbuying and after a loooong chat they said they switched my order to the 32gb blue one (you know, just in case the 32gb black one doesn't actually exist). Kept a copy of the transcript for reference.
Man, it was a total headache to do though. (And good thing I'm patient too)
I don't think the customer service at least knows what I'm going on about. That's kind of discouraging.
But oh well. This is the game you play with Chinese sellers usually.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: roneyizpie on August 14, 2015, 04:28:48 pm
Hmm, so from what I've been reading on the forum, should I be concerned about my order for a 16gb blue from Geekbuying? I wouldn't mind a black one, I just want my GPD XD haha
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: Dual on August 14, 2015, 04:43:58 pm
Hmm, so from what I've been reading on the forum, should I be concerned about my order for a 16gb blue from Geekbuying? I wouldn't mind a black one, I just want my GPD XD haha

Yep, I would only order the 16GB Black or the 32GB Blue. Willgoo has said those are the only 2 versions available.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: roneyizpie on August 14, 2015, 04:48:19 pm
Hmm, so from what I've been reading on the forum, should I be concerned about my order for a 16gb blue from Geekbuying? I wouldn't mind a black one, I just want my GPD XD haha

Yep, I would only order the 16GB Black or the 32GB Blue. Willgoo has said those are the only 2 versions available.

Ahhh crud, alright. If they would actually accept the live chat* that would be great... I really hope this is easy.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 14, 2015, 05:06:51 pm
Hmm, so from what I've been reading on the forum, should I be concerned about my order for a 16gb blue from Geekbuying? I wouldn't mind a black one, I just want my GPD XD haha

Yep, I would only order the 16GB Black or the 32GB Blue. Willgoo has said those are the only 2 versions available.

Ahhh crud, alright. If they would actually accept the live that would be great... I really hope this is easy.

The live?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: roneyizpie on August 14, 2015, 05:44:22 pm
Hmm, so from what I've been reading on the forum, should I be concerned about my order for a 16gb blue from Geekbuying? I wouldn't mind a black one, I just want my GPD XD haha

Yep, I would only order the 16GB Black or the 32GB Blue. Willgoo has said those are the only 2 versions available.

Ahhh crud, alright. If they would actually accept the live that would be great... I really hope this is easy.

The live?

Whoops, I mean live chat. Just fixed it. It's terribly slow for a live chat. They also never replied to the email I sent yesterday.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 14, 2015, 06:40:39 pm
Tip: PM geekbuying here on this forum. He/she always responds fast (VERY fast) to my PM.s

Fastest was under 3 minutes. And he always had proper, polite responses, consistent with what willgoo said (sometimes before them) so he knows what he/she is talking about I think. :)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: roneyizpie on August 14, 2015, 07:00:55 pm
Tip: PM geekbuying here on this forum. He/she always responds fast (VERY fast) to my PM.s

Fastest was under 3 minutes. And he always had proper, polite responses, consistent with what willgoo said (sometimes before them) so he knows what he/she is talking about I think. :)

Thanks! Yeah I just sent them a message. :)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: chinjin on August 15, 2015, 02:31:36 am
hi, i have questions.

1. LCD touch Digitizer is Glass? Plastic?
    Require LCD protector??

2. Anti Finger print?

3. LCD and digitizer is direct bond?
 My G58 and Q9 is dust was easy to into between the LCD and digitizer..
 Every time disassembly and cleaning...

thanks
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 04:43:02 am
hi, i have questions.

1. LCD touch Digitizer is Glass? Plastic?
    Require LCD protector??

2. Anti Finger print?

3. LCD and digitizer is direct bond?
 My G58 and Q9 is dust was easy to into between the LCD and digitizer..
 Every time disassembly and cleaning...

thanks

1.It feels like glass.the box comes with a screen protector included

2. No, lots n lots of fingerprints if you dont use screen protector.

3. Im not sure about this but you cant get dust in between from what I can tell
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: chinjin on August 15, 2015, 05:13:44 am
1.It feels like glass.the box comes with a screen protector included

2. No, lots n lots of fingerprints if you dont use screen protector.

3. Im not sure about this but you cant get dust in between from what I can tell

thanks reply!

Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 06:10:36 am
hi, i have questions.

1. LCD touch Digitizer is Glass? Plastic?
    Require LCD protector??

2. Anti Finger print?

3. LCD and digitizer is direct bond?
 My G58 and Q9 is dust was easy to into between the LCD and digitizer..
 Every time disassembly and cleaning...

thanks

1.It feels like glass.the box comes with a screen protector included

2. No, lots n lots of fingerprints if you dont use screen protector.

3. Im not sure about this but you cant get dust in between from what I can tell

Is screen less claer/beautifull/less "pop" with screen protector applied? Do you feel screen protector is necessary?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 08:01:12 am
hi, i have questions.

1. LCD touch Digitizer is Glass? Plastic?
    Require LCD protector??

2. Anti Finger print?

3. LCD and digitizer is direct bond?
 My G58 and Q9 is dust was easy to into between the LCD and digitizer..
 Every time disassembly and cleaning...

thanks

1.It feels like glass.the box comes with a screen protector included

2. No, lots n lots of fingerprints if you dont use screen protector.

3. Im not sure about this but you cant get dust in between from what I can tell

Is screen less claer/beautifull/less "pop" with screen protector applied? Do you feel screen protector is necessary?

The protector does not affect colors, although the size is a tad big.

I generally never use protectors since I dont carry the devices out much, I put it on this one just to see the fit.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 08:14:03 am
hi, i have questions.

1. LCD touch Digitizer is Glass? Plastic?
    Require LCD protector??

2. Anti Finger print?

3. LCD and digitizer is direct bond?
 My G58 and Q9 is dust was easy to into between the LCD and digitizer..
 Every time disassembly and cleaning...

thanks

1.It feels like glass.the box comes with a screen protector included

2. No, lots n lots of fingerprints if you dont use screen protector.

3. Im not sure about this but you cant get dust in between from what I can tell

Is screen less claer/beautifull/less "pop" with screen protector applied? Do you feel screen protector is necessary?

The protector does not affect colors, although the size is a tad big.

I generally never use protectors since I dont carry the devices out much, I put it on this one just to see the fit.

Thanks! And can you try it out, then remove it?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 04:50:21 pm
NOTE:
There is some severe under clocking going on with the device when it comes to psp emulation, Im 100% sure its not running at 1.4ghz for more than 1hr 22mins. Most likely 800mhz-900mhz. This may be due to extreme temprature control as the device simply never gets hot at all.

another reason is battery life is extremely long, so long that it is impossible that the device is constantly running at 1.4ghz while emulation.

A custom kernel is required for anyone who wants psp emulation. That will fix it. (YOU WILL NOTICE THIS IN NORMAL USAGE AS WELL LIKE BROWSING WHEN USING FOR LONG PERIODS)

added to notes.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 15, 2015, 04:58:20 pm
NOTE:
There is some severe under clocking going on with the device when it comes to psp emulation, Im 100% sure its not running at 1.4ghz for more than 1hr 22mins. Most likely 800mhz. This may be due to extreme temprature control as the device simply never gets hot at all.

another reason is battery life is extremely long, so long that it is impossible that the device is constantly running at 1.4ghz while emulation.

A custom kernel is required for anyone who wants psp emulation. That will fix it.

added to notes.

Have you tried setting governor to performance and check with setcpu after a while if speed is still 1,4 ghz? Are you playing PPSSPP with ondemand or performance governor? Probably default interactive is too conservative.

Because if the problem is with temperature a custom kernel is not going to fix it. Device will have throttling anyway, unless temp limits are disabled
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 05:01:27 pm
NOTE:
There is some severe under clocking going on with the device when it comes to psp emulation, Im 100% sure its not running at 1.4ghz for more than 1hr 22mins. Most likely 800mhz. This may be due to extreme temprature control as the device simply never gets hot at all.

another reason is battery life is extremely long, so long that it is impossible that the device is constantly running at 1.4ghz while emulation.

A custom kernel is required for anyone who wants psp emulation. That will fix it.

added to notes.

Have you tried setting governor to performance and check with setcpu after a while if speed is still 1,4 ghz? Are you playing PPSSPP with ondemand or performance governor? Probably default interactive is too conservative.

Because if the problem is with temperature a custom kernel is not going to fix it. Device will have throttling anyway, unless temp limits are disabled

I played without using setcpu at default settings, its definitely got to do with temperature control..at one point untold legends simply would not work smoothly (after 1hr 22mins aprox)..It constantly kept skipping 1 frame due to a decrease in cpu clock.

The device simply could not get warm at all. Infact its not even lightly warm which is good but I think its a bit too extreme.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 05:04:38 pm
1hr 22 mins? That's precise! :D

Anyway, as long as ds, snes/nes/gba/arcade/psx emulation are great and native android games run fullspeed, I will be happy to just use the q9 for this (PSP), tough it?s definitely great you discovered it for potential buyers!

It might also be an issue with your test unit? They were still ?fixing firmware bugs? after all... IDK?

Anyway, Skelton, didn't you say you could just edit these throttling temperatures in a text file?

And nielo... how long is ?extremely long battery life'? Just curious. The battery *is* huge in any case.

But sounds like *if* the non-test units still have this, I will just have to edit that text file? skelton? :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 15, 2015, 05:12:30 pm
Nielo360, the only way to check temperature control is like a I have mentioned before. Use SETCPU, set performance at 1,4 for about an hour and then open SETCPU again to see if the frequency is still 1,4 ghz or not.

Also, are you using the same config in PPSSPP, same version etc, like the one you use in q9 for example. Because that game in q9 is full speed all the time. Also,  using ondemand or performance is almost mandatory in PPSSPP for some games. Maybe you can try it running it that way. I/0 scheduler "deadline" is also better for PPSSPP than CFQ.

eragon, with a custom kernel I can edit kernel temperatures, or just disable cpu temp, but if the device has a temp problem you can fry it, or most probably will get unstable. Also, I can make a custom kernel but two conditions are needed:

1- GPD would release kernel source (if not I would need to port q9 kernel, which is a pain in the ass process)
2- I most probably won't have an XD unless GPD decide to send me a test unit.


Nielo, maybe you can try a more recent firmware to see if it's a firm issue. This is the last one:
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1hqfazzQ
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 05:13:20 pm
1hr 22 mins? That's precise! :D

Anyway, as long as ds, snes/nes/gba/arcade/psx emulation are great and native android games run fullspeed, I will be happy to just use the q9 for this (PSP), tough it?s definitely great you discovered it for potential buyers!

It might also be an issue with your test unit? They were still ?fixing firmware bugs? after all... IDK?

Anyway, Skelton, didn't you say you could just edit these throttling temperatures in a text file?

And nielo... how long is ?extremely long battery life'? Just curious. The battery *is* huge in any case.
Its a 6000mah battery much much weaker than the one on the shield portable however it seems to be droping much more slowly due to the underclock. The emulators you mention work fine . This isnt a test unit, as it is a newer retail one with the already upto date firmware. (not 3.2, it came with 2.4) 

But sounds like *if* the non-test units still have this, I will just have to edit that text file? skelton? :-)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 05:15:36 pm
Nielo360, the only way to check temperature control is like a I have mentioned before. Use SETCPU, set performance at 1,4 for about an hour and then open SETCPU again to see if the frequency is still 1,4 ghz or not.

Also, are you using the same config in PPSSPP, same version etc, like the one you use in q9 for example. Because that game in q9 is full speed all the time. Also,  using ondemand or performance is almost mandatory in PPSSPP for some games. Maybe you can try it running it that way. I/0 scheduler "deadline" is also better for PPSSPP than CFQ.

eragon, with a custom kernel I can edit kernel temperatures, or just disable cpu temp, but if the device has a temp problem you can fry it, or most probably will get unstable. Also, I can make a custom kernel but two conditions are needed:

1- GPD would release kernel source (if not I would need to port q9 kernel, which is a pain in the ass process)
2- I most probably won't have an XD unless GPD decide to send me a test unit.


Nielo, maybe you can try a more recent firmware to see if it's a firm issue. This is the last one:
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1hqfazzQ
Ill do the following and let you know. Ill do it on the current firmware installed which is 2.4 first for refrence.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 05:19:59 pm
More observation with setcpu

Max clock usage at stock while browsing, opening apps closing  is 1.2ghz as suspected.

now checking gaming clockrates with setcpu default, then setcpu as directed by skeleton.

EDIT Test notes: 1hr start
Battery at 46%  wifi on screen brightness 25%  Setcpu:1.4ghz max & min lock, governer ondemand, deadline.

will add results in an hour.
So far psp emulation is smooth no lag or skip.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 05:33:10 pm
1hr 22 mins? That's precise! :D

Anyway, as long as ds, snes/nes/gba/arcade/psx emulation are great and native android games run fullspeed, I will be happy to just use the q9 for this (PSP), tough it?s definitely great you discovered it for potential buyers!

It might also be an issue with your test unit? They were still ?fixing firmware bugs? after all... IDK?

Anyway, Skelton, didn't you say you could just edit these throttling temperatures in a text file?

And nielo... how long is ?extremely long battery life'? Just curious. The battery *is* huge in any case.
Its a 6000mah battery much much weaker than the one on the shield portable however it seems to be droping much more slowly due to the underclock. The emulators you mention work fine . This isnt a test unit, as it is a newer retail one with the already upto date firmware. (not 3.2, it came with 2.4) 

But sounds like *if* the non-test units still have this, I will just have to edit that text file? skelton? :-)

Yeah, just checked, to my amazement EPSXE runs doom fullspeed ,drastic same with radiant historia, and snes9x same with starfox at 816 mhz max...

so I think GPD probably tough that aggresively throthling wouldn't hinder gaming (android games also continue to run perfectly fine, probably because of the great GPU which does keep it's 600 mhz clock I presume), and wanted to offer great battery life and temperatures...

But if you say ? slower then shield portable", does that mean you can play, say snes games on it for like 12 hours or something??

Oh and one thing - yes, the shield portable battery is much bigger. But don't forget the shield portable is so thick because it has an actual fan. Yes, a fan, like in a desktop computer. Those suckers use a *lot* of power compared to a SOC AFAIK~ (not sure tough, but AFAIK...)

shame you can't edit it tough. But I stand by what I said - if everything but psp emulation is perfect, including android games such as san andreas, and it runs on one charge for 10 hours straight, then I think a bit less performance on long gaming sessions on the least stable/mature emulator on it (this won't effect playing some project diva for example in the train even!), is a good trade-off IMHO... I don't mean the heat, I have zero issue with my q9 in this regard, I mean the awesome battery life...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 15, 2015, 05:37:12 pm
Maybe default governor (interactive I assume?) is limited to 1,2 for some reason or has a bug. Though it's strange to limit CPU to 1,2 in interactive because it's a pretty conservative governor. Anyhow, difficult to know how GPD has set clock rates unless I can take look to kernel source.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 05:39:59 pm
Maybe default governor (interactive I assume?) is limited to 1,2 for some reason or has a bug. Though it's strange to limit CPU to 1,2 in interactive because it's a pretty conservative governor. Anyhow, difficult to know how GPD has set clock rates unless I can take look to kernel source.

20mins in psp is running smooth with no visiable skipping so far, we will know what happens in a bit to the clocks.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 05:42:27 pm
More observation with setcpu

Max clock usage at stock while browsing, opening apps closing  is 1.2ghz as suspected.

now checking gaming clockrates with setcpu default, then setcpu as directed by skeleton.

EDIT Test notes: 1hr start
Battery at 46%  wifi on screen brightness 25%  Setcpu:1.4ghz max & min lock, governer ondemand, deadline.

will add results in an hour.
So far psp emulation is smooth no lag or skip.

BTW, forgot this, but can you actually see the real max in set cpu? Because setcpu lets me select 1.8 as max on my q9 but it  (thankfully) can't actually reach that. There is no feedback from setcpu about this - in fact if you select 1.8 max and performance governor, it will say CPU is running at constant 1.8 which AFAIK is simply not true.

So how reliable is set cpu...?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 05:45:31 pm
More observation with setcpu

Max clock usage at stock while browsing, opening apps closing  is 1.2ghz as suspected.

now checking gaming clockrates with setcpu default, then setcpu as directed by skeleton.

EDIT Test notes: 1hr start
Battery at 46%  wifi on screen brightness 25%  Setcpu:1.4ghz max & min lock, governer ondemand, deadline.

will add results in an hour.
So far psp emulation is smooth no lag or skip.

BTW, forgot this, but can you actually see the real max in set cpu? Because setcpu lets me select 1.8 as max on my q9 but it  (thankfully) can't actually reach that. There is no feedback from setcpu about this - in fact if you select 1.8 max and performance governor, it will say CPU is running at constant 1.8 which AFAIK is simply not true.

So how reliable is set cpu...?

in this it shows the option for 1.8 but u cant go past 1.464ghz it maxes there.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 05:51:15 pm
More observation with setcpu

Max clock usage at stock while browsing, opening apps closing  is 1.2ghz as suspected.

now checking gaming clockrates with setcpu default, then setcpu as directed by skeleton.

EDIT Test notes: 1hr start
Battery at 46%  wifi on screen brightness 25%  Setcpu:1.4ghz max & min lock, governer ondemand, deadline.

will add results in an hour.
So far psp emulation is smooth no lag or skip.

BTW, forgot this, but can you actually see the real max in set cpu? Because setcpu lets me select 1.8 as max on my q9 but it  (thankfully) can't actually reach that. There is no feedback from setcpu about this - in fact if you select 1.8 max and performance governor, it will say CPU is running at constant 1.8 which AFAIK is simply not true.

So how reliable is set cpu...?

in this it shows the option for 1.8 but u cant go past 1.464ghz it maxes there.

Aw then it *is* the same as the Q9's newer firmwares then... so PPSSPP should be the same. We shall know in a few minutes. :D

1.6 would be ridiculous, in such a compact device it would cause a meltdown...

I am just curious (don't really care but maybe someone else does) can you also tell us if it does heat up now, provided that performance stays good during this test? That would be logical...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 05:57:50 pm
More observation with setcpu

Max clock usage at stock while browsing, opening apps closing  is 1.2ghz as suspected.

now checking gaming clockrates with setcpu default, then setcpu as directed by skeleton.

EDIT Test notes: 1hr start
Battery at 46%  wifi on screen brightness 25%  Setcpu:1.4ghz max & min lock, governer ondemand, deadline.

will add results in an hour.
So far psp emulation is smooth no lag or skip.

BTW, forgot this, but can you actually see the real max in set cpu? Because setcpu lets me select 1.8 as max on my q9 but it  (thankfully) can't actually reach that. There is no feedback from setcpu about this - in fact if you select 1.8 max and performance governor, it will say CPU is running at constant 1.8 which AFAIK is simply not true.

So how reliable is set cpu...?

in this it shows the option for 1.8 but u cant go past 1.464ghz it maxes there.

Aw then it *is* the same as the Q9's newer firmwares then... so PPSSPP should be the same. We shall know in a few minutes. :D

1.6 would be ridiculous, in such a compact device it would cause a meltdown...


I am just curious (don't really care but maybe someone else does) can you also tell us if it does heat up now, provided that performance stays good during this test? That would be logical...

its still running psp smooth so far and no heat, devices smaller than this run at 2Ghz  so thats a non issue..from what I can tell this should be clocked at 1.7 atleast.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 06:11:30 pm
More observation with setcpu

Max clock usage at stock while browsing, opening apps closing  is 1.2ghz as suspected.

now checking gaming clockrates with setcpu default, then setcpu as directed by skeleton.

EDIT Test notes: 1hr start
Battery at 46%  wifi on screen brightness 25%  Setcpu:1.4ghz max & min lock, governer ondemand, deadline.

will add results in an hour.
So far psp emulation is smooth no lag or skip.

BTW, forgot this, but can you actually see the real max in set cpu? Because setcpu lets me select 1.8 as max on my q9 but it  (thankfully) can't actually reach that. There is no feedback from setcpu about this - in fact if you select 1.8 max and performance governor, it will say CPU is running at constant 1.8 which AFAIK is simply not true.

So how reliable is set cpu...?

in this it shows the option for 1.8 but u cant go past 1.464ghz it maxes there.

Aw then it *is* the same as the Q9's newer firmwares then... so PPSSPP should be the same. We shall know in a few minutes. :D

1.6 would be ridiculous, in such a compact device it would cause a meltdown...


I am just curious (don't really care but maybe someone else does) can you also tell us if it does heat up now, provided that performance stays good during this test? That would be logical...

its still running psp smooth so far and no heat, devices smaller than this run at 2Ghz  so thats a non issue..from what I can tell this should be clocked at 1.7 atleast.

But I have heard that lots of telephones and such get quite hot when really stressing them... and people often complain about shit battery life in intensive games too..

Anyway, 1.4 ghz in these cores is still plenty powerfull. I am glad to hear PSP emulation is good, and lets be real, if battery life is awesome, it stays super cool, and apparently PSP emulation is fullspeed (and so is everything else and android games) isn't it better this way? I have no usage for paper specs saying it goes up to 1.7, whereas a few hours battery life added is actually real nice/has practical value...

We started with 45% right? What's battery life at now? :)  (it's been practically an hour right?)

Also... if the earlier slowdown started to occur after 1 Hr 22 min. Wouldn't it be better to keep it running for 90 minutes instead of 60?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 06:21:49 pm
TEST RESULTS:
Stock governor interactive max usage in launcher 1.2ghz(swiping apps opening closing)

1hr psp emulation Test Untold legengs Lots of enemies constant fighting.
Setcpu modified settings (skeleton directed)
Staring values:
Battery at 46%  wifi on screen brightness 25%  Setcpu:1.4ghz max & min lock, governor ondemand, deadline.

Ending values:
Battery at  34%          clocks 1.4ghz
heat: none that I notice.

Conclusion: Problem Fixed runs at 1.4ghz constant for 1hr if setcpu is used with ondemand,deadline 1.4 lock. Game runs smooth no skipping.
Recommendation: Definitely needs to be clocked higher as heat is a non issue. Set CPU IS REQUIRED for max performance.
Thanks Skeleton:)

added to notes.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 15, 2015, 06:32:56 pm


Nielo360, your tests are what I supposed. The interactive included in RK3288 is very conservative, and sometimes has some issues ramping frequencies. For intensive applications, like PPSSPP, reicast or MAMe 0.139 using shaders like hq2x, it's better to use a different one. Interactive is fine for most things, but not good enough for all the emus.

Putting device to 1,6 or 1,8 ghz shouldn't be a big problem for battery or temperature as long as the voltage used is the same than in 1,4 ghz. If it requires a higher voltage to be stable, then should be hotter and battery drain will be faster, but all depends on how the device manages different voltages.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 06:33:59 pm
so, does that mean that with wifi on it can run an intensive psp game fullspeed 8 hours straight on a single charce?

*whistling intensifies*

But I still wonder - didn't the slowdown/throttling initially happen only after more then an hour?


Also I am really curious - just how bright is '25% brightness'? When compared to the Q9? Max brightness is higher is it not? And I don?t want to ask to much, but how much faster approximately do you guess the battery drain is if brightness is at max?

EDIT: Aw and thanks Skelton for explaining that about the voltages :)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 06:35:02 pm


Nielo360, your tests are what I supposed. The interactive included in RK3288 is very conservative, and sometimes has some issues ramping frequencies. For intensive applications, like PPSSPP, reicast or MAMe 0.139 using shaders like hq2x, it's better to use a different one. Interactive is fine for most things, but not good enough for all the emus.

Putting device to 1,6 or 1,8 ghz shouldn't be a big problem for battery or temperature as long as the voltage used is the same than in 1,4 ghz. If it requires a higher voltage to be stable, then should be hotter and battery drain will be faster, but all depends on how the device manages different voltages.
agreed you were spot on with the governor and setcpu frequencies. This system would be even better if we get a chance to try out higher clock rates.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 15, 2015, 06:37:57 pm
so, does that mean that with wifi on it can run an intensive psp game fullspeed 8 hours straight on a single charce?

*whistling intensifies*

But I still wonder - didn't the slowdown/throttling initially happen only after more then an hour?


Also I am really curious - just how bright is '25% brightness'? When compared to the Q9? Max brightness is higher is it not? And I don?t want to ask to much, but how much faster approximately do you guess the battery drain is if brightness is at max?

EDIT: Aw and thanks Skelton for explaining that about the voltages :)
Q9 screen is quiet dull in comparison but keep in mind that all screens arent created equal so it just depends on which brightness works for you

as for 8hrs you can see the approximate usage and get a rough idea.

With the intensity at which the game was being played I doubt it would make much of diffrence with a longer test it seemed stable. The problem was with the governor.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 15, 2015, 07:14:50 pm
Thank you! Sounds great then.

I also hope if yours is already a retail unit (Didn't you say earlier it was a test unit? :O ) that they can indeed ship them this coming week...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: on August 15, 2015, 08:24:40 pm
Nielo, I'd not mess around too much if I were you. The heat shouldn't be noticeable from the bottom of the device (the battery acts as a barrier), and I don't know how much the board is close to the top of it. Not to mention, the SoC is located in the middle of the empty space, so you wouldn't normally touch it even if it were heating the surface. So, there might be a hidden heat buildup.
Ideally, someone should take apart their unit and install a thermometer of their own to see if the throttling can be removed safely.

Anyway, if it can operate at a constant 1.4GHz that'll be good. As Skelton said, OCing in rk3288 is a bit problematic - but if we can reach 1.6GHz you'd see quite a big boost. WE NEED MORE TESTS.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 15, 2015, 08:36:40 pm

Anyway, if it can operate at a constant 1.4GHz that'll be good. As Skelton said, OCing in rk3288 is a bit problematic - but if we can reach 1.6GHz you'd see quite a big boost. WE NEED MORE TESTS.

I am using 1.8Ghz in q9, so in XD could be possible too, because voltage will be the same almost probably. But GPD should release kernel source, because the underclock or tempertaure cpu table is made in a custom way that can not be patched easily using hex editors.

But there is no a great boost in rk3288 even at 1,8 ghz. I mean, few things that are slow (some PSP games like GoW, Dante's inferno or Tekken 6, or Saturn emulator) will still be slow even at 1,8 ghz. All RK3288 tablets run at 1,6 max anyway, so not a big deal
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: hunthunt on August 15, 2015, 11:00:02 pm
8 hours sound really awesome for a cpu full throttled. what i really like to know is how much takes for the device to go on from a cold start, my gpd g5a takes 49 seconds and while i think is a really great device i think i takes way too long to boot. I wish exist some kind of "sleep mode" in these devices
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: chip on August 15, 2015, 11:21:39 pm
The heat shouldn't be noticeable from the bottom of the device (the battery acts as a barrier)

There's the problem.  People complain about devices getting hot, and seem to think it's a good thing when they don't.  But the simple fact is you want the device to get hot on the outside when it's running at full load.

All CPUs generate heat.  This datasheet (http://www.giayee.com/uploadfile/2015/0106/20150106041626776.pdf) indicates TDP for the chip is as high as 6W (which I believe is simply the BGA package rating, not how much heat the chip is actually capable of producing).  That heat has to go somewhere, or it builds up in the core and causes thermal throttling.  Unfortunately, with the battery between the chip and the case, there's no easy way to transfer the heat away from the cores and into the case.  Perhaps a thin heatspreader (basically a thin aluminum plate) could be thermal-glued to the chip and sit between the chip and battery.  It would add thermal mass (good), and prevent a hot-spot on the battery (very good).
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 16, 2015, 02:04:20 am
Sounds like we need to work out a way to get Skelton a GPD XD , so he can tinker with it and weave some magic
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: on August 16, 2015, 03:22:14 am
Perhaps a thin heatspreader (basically a thin aluminum plate) could be thermal-glued to the chip and sit between the chip and battery.  It would add thermal mass (good), and prevent a hot-spot on the battery (very good).
Someone posted some disassembled GPD XD pics, and it shows exactly that - a very thin heat sink on top of the SoC. The problem I had with it is that even if you do have a very good heat sink (not the case), without any airflow it would just heat up the device uniformly, causing device throttling after some time has passed. Even that, however, would be good you'd exchange some heat with the environment through the case, and depending on its thickness and composition - it might be enough to cool it.
Now, with the heat sink they've put on and the lack of measured heat, I'm assuming there's just one spot that's heating constantly, and it's either internal (heating the battery) or it's expected that the user will not touch it (middle of the device?). Again, someone needs to disassemble it, insert an external thermometer, and measure produced heat during runtime.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 16, 2015, 03:36:39 am
Perhaps a thin heatspreader (basically a thin aluminum plate) could be thermal-glued to the chip and sit between the chip and battery.  It would add thermal mass (good), and prevent a hot-spot on the battery (very good).
Someone posted some disassembled GPD XD pics, and it shows exactly that - a very thin heat sink on top of the SoC. The problem I had with it is that even if you do have a very good heat sink (not the case), without any airflow it would just heat up the device uniformly, causing device throttling after some time has passed. Even that, however, would be good you'd exchange some heat with the environment through the case, and depending on its thickness and composition - it might be enough to cool it.
Now, with the heat sink they've put on and the lack of measured heat, I'm assuming there's just one spot that's heating constantly, and it's either internal (heating the battery) or it's expected that the user will not touch it (middle of the device?). Again, someone needs to disassemble it, insert an external thermometer, and measure produced heat during runtime.
the lower left is where the device should get hot however the cooling is done pretty well from I can tell and you will not notice it at all even at the max 1.4ghz clock(if u try u can sort of feel a faint warmth)..if temps were an issue the device would throttle, however it does not throttle from tests i did..this leads me to believe a higher clock would be preferable although it wont be useful in 98% of the retro games we play.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 16, 2015, 03:41:47 am
8 hours sound really awesome for a cpu full throttled. what i really like to know is how much takes for the device to go on from a cold start, my gpd g5a takes 49 seconds and while i think is a really great device i think i takes way too long to boot. I wish exist some kind of "sleep mode" in these devices

all gpd devices have a sleep mode like normal mainstream devices afaik I never had to shutdown so far.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: vermillion on August 16, 2015, 04:53:18 am
Here is a link to the firmware and tools, it mentions "optimize the heating problem"
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.php/2015/08/11/gpd-xd-android4-4-rk3288-gamepad-newest-update-firmware-win8-ui-en-preinstallation-files/
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 16, 2015, 05:28:06 am
Here is a link to the firmware and tools, it mentions "optimize the heating problem"
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.php/2015/08/11/gpd-xd-android4-4-rk3288-gamepad-newest-update-firmware-win8-ui-en-preinstallation-files/

Im not sure what they mean but there are no heating issues at all. It should infact be overclocked.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 16, 2015, 06:56:16 am
Here is a link to the firmware and tools, it mentions "optimize the heating problem"
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.php/2015/08/11/gpd-xd-android4-4-rk3288-gamepad-newest-update-firmware-win8-ui-en-preinstallation-files/

Im not sure what they mean but there are no heating issues at all. It should infact be overclocked.

I'd say what happened is that the early versions had a heating issue , they released the updated firmware, and what you have is the unit with the updated firmware.  Going by with what you have said in this thread, that scenario seems to fit .
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: chip on August 16, 2015, 12:10:38 pm
the lower left is where the device should get hot however the cooling is done pretty well from I can tell and you will not notice it at all even at the max 1.4ghz clock(if u try u can sort of feel a faint warmth)..if temps were an issue the device would throttle, however it does not throttle from tests i did..this leads me to believe a higher clock would be preferable although it wont be useful in 98% of the retro games we play.

You're not getting what Made in China and I are saying.  The fact that it's not getting warm on the outside means the cooling is not done well.  Either it is throttling and your subjective tests aren't showing it, or it's getting hot as hell inside the case and the heat has nowhere to go.  That's not great for the chip, and it's even worse for the battery.

After your test, you said

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Recommendation: Definitely needs to be clocked higher as heat is a non issue.

This is a bad idea.  It's probably throttling now, and it would throttle a lot more at higher speeds.  It would also heat the battery even more than it's already doing, which I suspect is a lot.
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Post by: skelton on August 16, 2015, 12:24:40 pm
Chip, the test is clear, if after some time of playing CPU is still 1,4 ghz using performance as nielo tested, there is no thottling. RK3288 starts throttling only if it reaches 80? Celsius, so it seems is not getting that temp level.

I also don't agree that overclockng is a bad idea. I use 1,8 ghz in GPD q9 which has not a good heatsink.
Also, I mean, it's optional. A custom kernel is just an alternative. Nobody will force you to use a different kernel/ROM and GPD wil keep using 1,4 in stock firmware so I don't see the problem.



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Post by: on August 16, 2015, 12:49:16 pm
Skelton, I hope you're correct and they've fixed the prototype units' heat sink, or have done some magic and eliminated the heat issues. Personally, I wouldn't risk overclocking it - but I wish I had a unit I could disassemble myself. Talking about the hypothetical heat production of a handheld I can't own isn't as fun as actually figuring things out with the actual hardware.
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Post by: nielo360 on August 16, 2015, 02:02:25 pm
the lower left is where the device should get hot however the cooling is done pretty well from I can tell and you will not notice it at all even at the max 1.4ghz clock(if u try u can sort of feel a faint warmth)..if temps were an issue the device would throttle, however it does not throttle from tests i did..this leads me to believe a higher clock would be preferable although it wont be useful in 98% of the retro games we play.

You're not getting what Made in China and I are saying.  The fact that it's not getting warm on the outside means the cooling is not done well.  Either it is throttling and your subjective tests aren't showing it, or it's getting hot as hell inside the case and the heat has nowhere to go.  That's not great for the chip, and it's even worse for the battery.

After your test, you said

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Recommendation: Definitely needs to be clocked higher as heat is a non issue.

This is a bad idea.  It's probably throttling now, and it would throttle a lot more at higher speeds.  It would also heat the battery even more than it's already doing, which I suspect is a lot.


I understand what you are saying, but the concept of poor heat displacement can only work under the scenario where the cpu is being throttled. As you rightly pointed out, my objective (its not subjective as the test is repeatable within exact 1:1 parameters) tests show, there is no throttling. However this is the same with the GPD q9 and perhaps all gpd RK3288 chip implementations on handhelds. The interactive governor is simply too conservative(as pointed out in every legacy rom the interactive governor is not good for high end emus) Also, the Gpd q9 barely gets warm at 1.4 the clocks are simply too low.
Hence my conclusion, like the GPD Q9 overclocking is favorable to the device.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 16, 2015, 07:43:31 pm
Holy...

Well peeps I just see one big advantage of the XD over the *new* 3ds XL I did not see in the review... you don?t have to do this to replace a SD card! http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/89/~/how-to-remove-an-sd-card-or-microsd-card

So, which MORON tought *that* was a good design decision!?!

I like the little mario icon that page shows in the browser tab tough - it?s very appropiate. You almost have to be a plumber to replace it.

Also, I assumed that while a bit cheap, the build quality of the new 3ds xl would at least be decent. Apparently, I am wrong.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-nintendo-3ds/71270778

It sounds like on of those damn jxd devices from 3 years ago! In fact, it sounds worse!

So yeah, I am happy I bought a XD and not one of those pieces of crap... I mean read that forum page, it?s really entertaining.
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Post by: SONY on August 16, 2015, 09:08:16 pm
http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/which-color-gpd-xd-did-you-orderbuy/

Have most people people purchased a black or blue XD?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: lemmywinks on August 16, 2015, 11:52:39 pm
Holy...

Well peeps I just see one big advantage of the XD over the *new* 3ds XL I did not see in the review... you don?t have to do this to replace a SD card! http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/89/~/how-to-remove-an-sd-card-or-microsd-card

So, which MORON tought *that* was a good design decision!?!

Well it's just two screws and a single flap so no different to changing the battery and it would take under a minute to do. The whole back comes off because of the changeable faceplate thing they did with the new 3DS models which are actually pretty neat IMO. No doubt when Chinese knockoff faceplates appear you'll be able to get some sweet Metroid ones or something.


Also, I assumed that while a bit cheap, the build quality of the new 3ds xl would at least be decent. Apparently, I am wrong.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-nintendo-3ds/71270778

It sounds like on of those damn jxd devices from 3 years ago! In fact, it sounds worse!

So yeah, I am happy I bought a XD and not one of those pieces of crap... I mean read that forum page, it?s really entertaining.

That's one thing that really annoyed me about the 3DS XL I bought the other day. It's a great console but the plastics are thin (to keep size and weight down) and it makes it feel flimsy, it feels much cheaper than the DSi XL. Very nice console to use though and I've not put it down since buying it, although that's probably more down to Fantasy Life than anything else!

It feels nicer and more sturdy than the JXDs I've had btw, by quite a margin.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: Dual on August 17, 2015, 05:06:39 am
My new 3DS monster hunter edition has been excellent. I have over 200 hours of play time on my unit so far no problems.

Anyway the GPD XD's are going to ship soon, can't wait!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: midknight on August 17, 2015, 05:22:10 am
Why does every one complain about having to undo screws on the new 3ds to put in a micro SD card? With the size of SD cards now you would not be constantly swapping them and honestly how hard is it to find a Phillips screwdriver?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 17, 2015, 05:46:02 am
'Everyone 'is not complaining though.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: midknight on August 17, 2015, 06:33:10 am
Its just something I constantly see people locking onto and it never made any sense to me if you're a parent you might appreciate an extra layer between you're kids and that easy to loose micro sd
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 19, 2015, 11:17:04 am
Well, about the hinge sqeaking, we have what willgoo just said in the other thread in response to my question:

"Oh and just curious, willgoo, does the hinge still sqeak/make sound when you open/close it? (like in the test units? XD)"

"No, the hinge sound is better now. No more horrible sound when you play it at night. No more scare your baby ;)"

So, parents of young children can rest assured, and the rest of us knows it won't break due to this :D (And I assume it still feels solid enough, otherwise they would have said something).

Maybe this was "the mold problem"?

---

also I was wondering, maybe they changed the joystick driver to xbox360 because of moonlight/gamestreaming? It works perfectly on Q9 too, but some games (ie hyperdimension neptunia) don't recognize the controller correctly. It works with that game, but the game thinks it's named 'C'. maybe there are some bugs with other games I have not yet discovered.

Whereas every game on steam (released in the last 5-6 years) basically works perfectly with xbox360 controller... so maybe that's why?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: ruffnutts on August 19, 2015, 08:46:02 pm
Another place to buy it

http://www.gearbest.com/gpd-xd-_gear/

ruffnutts
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 20, 2015, 04:50:55 am
Problem diagonal down+ left DPAD: I apologize to everyone that I missed this in my review
After further testing I realized that the down left diagonal is extremely hard to pull off because the dpad axis favors the Up+right diagonal more and is easy to do.

It is possible to do it but its simply too hard to pull of while gaming in most platformers with diagonal movement:
examples: Batman returns, streets of rage.etc.. the analog works fine for all diagonals

again Im sorry I missed this I only tested the Up+left diagonal thoroughly, and Down+left in circular motion for street fighter which works fine. Precision Down+left is pretty bad and broken unless u mod the axis.

Added annotation on 12:52 of the video regarding this.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 20, 2015, 05:32:59 am
^ It's probably just your XD that's defective.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 20, 2015, 05:37:22 am
^ It's probably just your XD that's defective.

That is one possibility, its a minor thing the dpad axis is slightly off and its something that can vary from unit to unit I just wanted to make sure people knew about it.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 20, 2015, 05:44:14 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgzmq2jZNT1qfbm82o1_500.jpg)

Exactly the problem my g5a had, altough that was right down, it was unusable...

Eh, nielo, how is this a minor issue? You cant play side scrolling or vertical shoot them up on this with this issue, or can you? *how hard* is it to press?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 20, 2015, 05:54:22 am
Meh, I use analogue stick all the time anyway...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 20, 2015, 05:56:33 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgzmq2jZNT1qfbm82o1_500.jpg)

Exactly the problem my g5a had, altough that was right down, it was unusable...

Eh, nielo, how is this a minor issue? You cant play side scrolling or vertical shoot them up on this with this issue, or can you? *how hard* is it to press?

It may be minor depending on how precise you need it to be. in fighting games its fine since you will be doing diagonals in motion (circular half circular).  For the side scrollers the directions all work but yes diagonal down+left is pretty inaccurate to pull since you need to press it exactly and a bit harder.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: on August 20, 2015, 06:05:40 am
This sounds like a mold problem (the sensor at the bottom not aligned properly with the d-pad on the surface), and they've changed the mold recently, so it might be a non issue. However, I haven't seen any reviews mentioning it before, so I don't know if they've actually fixed it with the latest models - but once people get the newer, fixed models we'll be able to confirm if it's a persistent issue.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 20, 2015, 06:07:28 am
Okay, guess i will learn to play blazing star, ikuraga with analog then... Or cnfigure some extra lives...


Or is it on a level where you get used to it quickly then its okay? Down right was basically impossible on my g5a, but this seems less bad...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 20, 2015, 06:09:03 am
This sounds like a mold problem (the sensor at the bottom not aligned properly with the d-pad on the surface), and they've changed the mold recently, so it might be a non issue. However, I haven't seen any reviews mentioning it before, so I don't know if they've actually fixed it with the latest models - but once people get the newer, fixed models we'll be able to confirm if it's a persistent issue.

Good point! They did fix the hinge problem/sound, willgoo said, so maybe this also...
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 20, 2015, 06:09:48 am
IMO, using analogues to play shmups is easier anyway.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 20, 2015, 06:13:51 am
This sounds like a mold problem (the sensor at the bottom not aligned properly with the d-pad on the surface), and they've changed the mold recently, so it might be a non issue. However, I haven't seen any reviews mentioning it before, so I don't know if they've actually fixed it with the latest models - but once people get the newer, fixed models we'll be able to confirm if it's a persistent issue.

Nope this has nothing to do with the mold. A mold issue is permanent ie: surface depth modification. This is an alignment issue that's easily fixable by centering the dpad/membrane contact.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 20, 2015, 06:34:26 am
We'll soon find out, I guess.
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Post by: nielo360 on August 20, 2015, 06:38:09 am
We'll soon find out, I guess.

Yup I doubt everyone will have this, its something like the G5, not everyone had that issue.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: on August 20, 2015, 06:39:11 am
I don't know how they've built their device, but I've taken apart many device in which the d-pad was part of the main board (original GB IIRC)) OR the membrane was fitted in a slot in the mold (PS3 controller), so changing the mold might have an affect on the alignment.

Again, I can't know for sure until we get the finished product.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: skelton on August 20, 2015, 08:39:01 am
Problem diagonal down+ left DPAD: I apologize to everyone that I missed this in my review
After further testing I realized that the down left diagonal is extremely hard to pull off because the dpad axis favors the Up+right diagonal more and is easy to do.

It is possible to do it but its simply too hard to pull of while gaming in most platformers with diagonal movement:
examples: Batman returns, streets of rage.etc.. the analog works fine for all diagonals

again Im sorry I missed this I only tested the Up+left diagonal thoroughly, and Down+left in circular motion for street fighter which works fine. Precision Down+left is pretty bad and broken unless u mod the axis.

Added annotation on 12:52 of the video regarding this.

Maybe you can make some kind of mod or something. We'll see if everyone has the issue when they get their devices.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 20, 2015, 08:41:59 am
Mine will be perfect, that's all I know.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 20, 2015, 10:46:51 am
Well, people, I asked geekbuying this:

"Hello,

One more question: the first user to do a review, just said that he noticed that on his device, it's difficult to push Tjeerd dpad in the left down direction. Probably not all of the have this issue, but please make sure the dpad is easy to press/precise in all 8 directions/diagonals, because one almost non functional diagonal on the dpad obviously makes it impossible to use in retro games on the emulator.

For the rest t evice is brilliant, and its likely that only a few of them have this dpad issue, so please make sure to check if dpad works equallh well in all 8 directions before sending them out... I dont want to have to send it back to repair a broken dpad like i had to do with the g5a i bought at willgoo... (Thd q9 i got from you is fine)"

And got this answer:

"That is early unit had this problem."

So, I guess this together with the hinge creaking is one of the things they fixed in the final versions that are shipping now.
So we shouldn't see this pop up anymore.

Happy day everyone, I am gonna blow up Panau to celebrate! #OffToJustCause2
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: chip on August 20, 2015, 08:06:20 pm
And got this answer:

"That is early unit had this problem."

I hate to be that guy, but they didn't actually say that the problem has been resolved.  They only confirmed that the problem is known to exist.

People should start receiving them soon, so I suspect we'll know for sure some time next week.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 20, 2015, 08:19:05 pm
And got this answer:

"That is early unit had this problem."

I hate to be that guy, but they didn't actually say that the problem has been resolved.  They only confirmed that the problem is known to exist.

People should start receiving them soon, so I suspect we'll know for sure some time next week.

You are right, normally Iwould agree with you, but from the context, it does mean that. Because we know they had special testing units (for the first time they do that AFAIK), and that they were fixing bugs, and would releasy it after that was done. We also know from willgoo that they fixed the hinge sound. And that they fixed some software bugs, and a 'mold problem' (which could be this and/or the hinge).

So I figure it means they solved it. Also, none other early reviewer or gameplay footage demonstrates this problem, so I think not even all early units have it. I figure my chance of getting a fully functional unit after transport to be about 85-90%. :D

But yeah, next week we know for sure. :D
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 20, 2015, 09:25:31 pm
Let's all just wait and see for ourselves.
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 20, 2015, 10:51:21 pm
hoping to see some cool videos when peeps get there devices ;D
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: wolfstar27 on August 21, 2015, 03:48:34 pm
First time poster on here, I was initially going to buy JXD S7800B as I heard it was a really good device and recently a UK store called Funstock.co.uk were selling them but I saw a new device on their store that was coming soon called BLAZE TAB but I noticed someone in the comment mentioned is it a re-branded GPD G7.

I got intrigued about the GPD and found Nielo360 youtube videos, all this time I wanted a 7 inch screen but already seeing the GPD XD being demonstrated and how portable and easy to carry around it would be, I thought this would be the ideal first chinese handheld for me (i was close to getting IPlay 7) so thanks Nielo360 for your review.

initially I ordered Black 32GB from Geekbuying and used the $10 off code, however reading a lot of peoples comments about how it might be a myth, I quickly changed my order to a buy version and paid extra for DHL shipping...Ideally I would prefer Black as I think it will be less distracting for the eyes, but I thought I could always spray paint the blue and do a custom job on it...I do want the bigger memory due to past experience with my LG G3 getting full quickly on 16GB even with a 64GB SD card.

so now its just the waiting game the 32GB blue had 20th August presale date but the presale logo hasnt come off yet.

I can't wait to play DOS games,MAME, SNES etc, and hopefully some PC streaming.

I apologise for the extremely long post, I thought since Im a newbie to the site, I thought I'd an make introduction.

 
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Post by: sphinx on August 21, 2015, 04:33:19 pm
Hello from Egypt :)

I bought GP2X long time ago, forget about it for a while then my kid found it somewhere in my junk :)
Unfortunately it is dead, i browsed the internet to see what's new these days, saw Cannoo, Pandora and lastly was a step away from buying GPD G7 until I saw Nielo360's review of GPD XD!

I ordered the 16GB version from Geekbuing.com, they shipped it and it should arrive on the 23rd of August :)
Can't wait to hold it by my hand!

Thanks Nielo360
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 21, 2015, 04:40:28 pm
Hello from Egypt :)

I bought GP2X long time ago, forget about it for a while then my kid found it somewhere in my junk :)
Unfortunately it is dead, i browsed the internet to see what's new these days, saw Cannoo, Pandora and lastly was a step away from buying GPD G7 until I saw Nielo360's review of GPD XD!

I ordered the 16GB version from Geekbuing.com, they shipped it and it should arrive on the 23rd of August :)
Can't wait to hold it by my hand!

Thanks Nielo360

Wait they already shipped yours and not mine ordered back in June? No fair! >_< *pouts*

Nah seriously, enjoy it, and tell us if all the dpad diagonals work good, okay? ;-)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: sphinx on August 21, 2015, 07:27:59 pm
Oooooops, I caused people at Geekbuying a problem  ;D

Sorry for you and everyone who is in front of me in the line/queue!

Sure I will let you all know, I can see it is now reached TNT location in Dubai it is a matter of hours and will be in Cairo :)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 21, 2015, 07:31:56 pm
Oooooops, I caused people at Geekbuying a problem  ;D

Sorry for you and everyone who is in front of me in the line/queue!

Sure I will let you all know, I can see it is now reached TNT location in Dubai it is a matter of hours and will be in Cairo :)

I was joking, it no problem, just hope there is not a delay caused by someone forgot my order. D:

And you will the dpad for me, right? :D So it's all good. And the rest of the device. I want more people telling me it's the best thing since sliced bread, so I get more doki-doki for it :D

Are you going to write a short review? :D Maybe do another video? I would, if I had the money to buy a decent camera... I don't even have an un-decent one at the moment :-(
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Post by: kristianity77 on August 21, 2015, 08:08:13 pm
Really tempted to pull the trigger on one of these.  Haven't owned anything game wise Android since the S7800 and wasn't a massive fan of that due to the bugs.  Should I, shouldn't I?  Hmmm
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: sphinx on August 21, 2015, 08:10:00 pm
Quote
And you will the dpad for me, right? :D So it's all good. And the rest of the device. I want more people telling me it's the best thing since sliced bread, so I get more doki-doki for it :D

Are you going to write a short review? :D Maybe do another video? I would, if I had the money to buy a decent camera... I don't even have an un-decent one at the moment :-(
I will let you know for sure.

Although I am not good at writing reviews of any kind but it does not harm to write something about the GPD XD console when I get it.

I am an indie game developer by the way
http://www.ancientsoft.com

My best seller game is Pharaohs' Curse (I am porting it to iOS and Android right now).
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 21, 2015, 08:33:14 pm
Really tempted to pull the trigger on one of these.  Haven't owned anything game wise Android since the S7800 and wasn't a massive fan of that due to the bugs.  Should I, shouldn't I?  Hmmm

i can tell you from my q9 that their software is basically flawless. super stable (mine has been on for 224 hours now, not one crash or app crhas with multiple hours/day of gaming, anime, social media, web browsing, manga, mail, youtube...

Have played about two dozen play store games and ~100 roms on it in the last 4 month, all installed and worked without a single hitch or framedrop (it's super fast).

Suspend battery saving works as it should too and screen refresh rate is like 60.19 hz so now problems there either.

Given that xd will 99.98% surely have the same firmware, I really don't think you have to worry about any software issues/bugs whatsoever :D

BUT!!! I don't have mine yet! So I don't *personally* know about build quality and such, I do know nielo loves it, he normally nitpicks, and my q9 is not exactly falling apart, and this is apparently much sturdier then that even. So...

And it comes with this cooooool (imho, some people love it, some hate it, but you can just remove it) app called happy chick which allows you to (in a way that is legal, in China!! XD) download 10.000+ games for nes, snes, arcade, gba, ds, psp, psx, ngp, wsc, dc, some others and android straight from the cloud , with a backup mirror, to your device at ~2 M/S for free! It will automatically launch the correct emulator for it tough, and you can manage where to install them and savestates for all your games/your games by genre, platform etc. And it gets regular updates to boot!!
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 21, 2015, 08:36:45 pm
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And you will the dpad for me, right? :D So it's all good. And the rest of the device. I want more people telling me it's the best thing since sliced bread, so I get more doki-doki for it :D

Are you going to write a short review? :D Maybe do another video? I would, if I had the money to buy a decent camera... I don't even have an un-decent one at the moment :-(
I will let you know for sure.

Although I am not good at writing reviews of any kind but it does not harm to write something about the GPD XD console when I get it.

I am an indie game developer by the way
http://www.ancientsoft.com

My best seller game is Pharaohs' Curse (I am porting it to iOS and Android right now).

That game actually looks pretty cooll! Don't be too surprised if you port it to android and then it appears on happy chick tough. I buy all the games in the play store to support devs, only download hundreds of retro games via it, fuck import for 100 dollars, but it DOES have a ton of android games too for.. those who have no money left over after buying their XD , but do want to use it, I guess! Vice city, riptide gp 2 (in fact, rp2 comes lpreinstalled, Chinese copyright law really is something else!), and MANY others.
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Post by: kristianity77 on August 21, 2015, 08:39:55 pm
Really tempted to pull the trigger on one of these.  Haven't owned anything game wise Android since the S7800 and wasn't a massive fan of that due to the bugs.  Should I, shouldn't I?  Hmmm

i can tell you from my q9 that their software is basically flawless. super stable (mine has been on for 224 hours now, not one crash or app crhas with multiple hours/day of gaming, anime, social media, web browsing, manga, mail, youtube...

Have played about two dozen play store games and ~100 roms on it in the last 4 month, all installed and worked without a single hitch or framedrop (it's super fast).

Suspend battery saving works as it should too and screen refresh rate is like 60.19 hz so now problems there either.

Given that xd will 99.98% surely have the same firmware, I really don't think you have to worry about any software issues/bugs whatsoever :D

BUT!!! I don't have mine yet! So I don't *personally* know about build quality and such, I do know nielo loves it, he normally nitpicks, and my q9 is not exactly falling apart, and this is apparently much sturdier then that even. So...

And it comes with this cooooool (imho, some people love it, some hate it, but you can just remove it) app called happy chick which allows you to (in a way that is legal, in China!! XD) download 10.000+ games for nes, snes, arcade, gba, ds, psp, psx, ngp, wsc, dc, some others and android straight from the cloud , with a backup mirror, to your device at ~2 M/S for free! It will automatically launch the correct emulator for it tough, and you can manage where to install them and savestates for all your games/your games by genre, platform etc. And it gets regular updates to boot!!

Ahh thats all good to know!  I actually have a backup still from my S7800 which was set up for all the emus, complete with Roms, Saves etc so I'm assuming the only difference will be slightly updated emus for the most part.  Think I might have to part with my money!
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 21, 2015, 08:43:14 pm
Really tempted to pull the trigger on one of these.  Haven't owned anything game wise Android since the S7800 and wasn't a massive fan of that due to the bugs.  Should I, shouldn't I?  Hmmm

i can tell you from my q9 that their software is basically flawless. super stable (mine has been on for 224 hours now, not one crash or app crhas with multiple hours/day of gaming, anime, social media, web browsing, manga, mail, youtube...

Have played about two dozen play store games and ~100 roms on it in the last 4 month, all installed and worked without a single hitch or framedrop (it's super fast).

Suspend battery saving works as it should too and screen refresh rate is like 60.19 hz so now problems there either.

Given that xd will 99.98% surely have the same firmware, I really don't think you have to worry about any software issues/bugs whatsoever :D

BUT!!! I don't have mine yet! So I don't *personally* know about build quality and such, I do know nielo loves it, he normally nitpicks, and my q9 is not exactly falling apart, and this is apparently much sturdier then that even. So...

And it comes with this cooooool (imho, some people love it, some hate it, but you can just remove it) app called happy chick which allows you to (in a way that is legal, in China!! XD) download 10.000+ games for nes, snes, arcade, gba, ds, psp, psx, ngp, wsc, dc, some others and android straight from the cloud , with a backup mirror, to your device at ~2 M/S for free! It will automatically launch the correct emulator for it tough, and you can manage where to install them and savestates for all your games/your games by genre, platform etc. And it gets regular updates to boot!!

Ahh thats all good to know!  I actually have a backup still from my S7800 which was set up for all the emus, complete with Roms, Saves etc so I'm assuming the only difference will be slightly updated emus for the most part.  Think I might have to part with my money!

And In heavy duty android games like mc4, asphalt 8, walking dead etc. about a 4 to 8 times increase in framerate due to same level of increase in GPU performance. =) (Emus about the same)
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Post by: sphinx on August 21, 2015, 09:00:03 pm
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That game actually looks pretty cooll! Don't be too surprised if you port it to android and then it appears on happy chick tough. I buy all the games in the play store to support devs, only download hundreds of retro games via it, fuck import for 100 dollars, but it DOES have a ton of android games too for.. those who have no money left over after buying their XD , but do want to use it, I guess! Vice city, riptide gp 2 (in fact, rp2 comes lpreinstalled, Chinese copyright law really is something else!), and MANY others.

Sure I will not be surprised at all :)

My Pharaohs Curse game get listed on some warez site a few months after release and I can live with that for two reasons :
1- I can not help it (though I can make the effect as small as I can)
2- Exchange rate for US dollar to the Egyptian pound is high and it is a benefit for me, you can imagine that I can live a good life with 20 sold copies of my game (that's around $350 after cutting the credit card processing share)

I have a day job too so I am not worried about sales too much, some months are high while others are low, in average it is ok especially with the presence of more than one game (about 4) and other apps and dev tools.

I once had a very successful product called OSAKIT ( http://www.osakit.com ) at its time (4 to 5 years ago), right now it is on hold because all available game engines provide one way or another to allow games to be played online (e.g Web plugin, export to Java or Flash...etc)

Anyway, I do not immerse my self in thinking and worrying about people steel or pirate my software, others are buying so it is ok and believe it or not piracy has a good side effect ;)

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Post by: eragon2890 on August 21, 2015, 09:23:26 pm
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That game actually looks pretty cooll! Don't be too surprised if you port it to android and then it appears on happy chick tough. I buy all the games in the play store to support devs, only download hundreds of retro games via it, fuck import for 100 dollars, but it DOES have a ton of android games too for.. those who have no money left over after buying their XD , but do want to use it, I guess! Vice city, riptide gp 2 (in fact, rp2 comes lpreinstalled, Chinese copyright law really is something else!), and MANY others.

Sure I will not be surprised at all :)

My Pharaohs Curse game get listed on some warez site a few months after release and I can live with that for two reasons :
1- I can not help it (though I can make the effect as small as I can)
2- Exchange rate for US dollar to the Egyptian pound is high and it is a benefit for me, you can imagine that I can live a good life with 20 sold copies of my game (that's around $350 after cutting the credit card processing share)

I have a day job too so I am not worried about sales too much, some months are high while others are low, in average it is ok especially with the presence of more than one game (about 4) and other apps and dev tools.

I once had a very successful product called OSAKIT ( http://www.osakit.com ) at its time (4 to 5 years ago), right now it is on hold because all available game engines provide one way or another to allow games to be played online (e.g Web plugin, export to Java or Flash...etc)

Anyway, I do not immerse my self in thinking and worrying about people steel or pirate my software, others are buying so it is ok and believe it or not piracy has a good side effect ;)

Oh I know, that has been proven in academic studies tough (people who pirate the most also pay the most money). I mean, I have a premium crunchyroll account for example, so I watch what anime I can there, but the vast majority on a streaming site which has everything in HD simply since it's not on any legal streaming site avaliable here. (I am actually also willing to switch between crunchyroll and daisuki even, but if it's not there, it's not there).

so I think of the 250+ anime tv shows I have watched, about 90% was pirated. Yet I have also got ?500 - ?700 of merchandise, cosplay costumes built up over the past 6 years, and about I think ?2000 - ?3000 spend on going to conventions and meets. ToughI guess the latter benefits the community more then creators. But if cons events are more popular, otaku stuff becomes popular, more is sold.

So basically, I already spend every bit of money I have as a student on otaku stuff + games , and if anime would not be avialable on the net, I wouldn't have known wat it is. Costing them the fair amount of money detailed above.

True for most people.

Then off course there is the fact that pirated or not, if 95% of android games are pirated as the devs of monument valley (who also were fine with it BTW) mentioned was the case for their game, that's still thousands of people playing your game and enjoying it, so I'd still be happy about that... especially if it's a hobby thing mostly and I have another source of income. XD

(Heck I plan on making any hobby games I might create freeware XD maybe ven open source, if I can get my C++ and python to such a level it's not embarrasing LOL).

But I believe we are going off-topic. :D
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Post by: nielo360 on August 22, 2015, 01:53:11 pm
First time poster on here, I was initially going to buy JXD S7800B as I heard it was a really good device and recently a UK store called Funstock.co.uk were selling them but I saw a new device on their store that was coming soon called BLAZE TAB but I noticed someone in the comment mentioned is it a re-branded GPD G7.

I got intrigued about the GPD and found Nielo360 youtube videos, all this time I wanted a 7 inch screen but already seeing the GPD XD being demonstrated and how portable and easy to carry around it would be, I thought this would be the ideal first chinese handheld for me (i was close to getting IPlay 7) so thanks Nielo360 for your review.

initially I ordered Black 32GB from Geekbuying and used the $10 off code, however reading a lot of peoples comments about how it might be a myth, I quickly changed my order to a buy version and paid extra for DHL shipping...Ideally I would prefer Black as I think it will be less distracting for the eyes, but I thought I could always spray paint the blue and do a custom job on it...I do want the bigger memory due to past experience with my LG G3 getting full quickly on 16GB even with a 64GB SD card.

so now its just the waiting game the 32GB blue had 20th August presale date but the presale logo hasnt come off yet.

I can't wait to play DOS games,MAME, SNES etc, and hopefully some PC streaming.

I apologise for the extremely long post, I thought since Im a newbie to the site, I thought I'd an make introduction.

I just started getting into Dos and am playing Strife. I never knew it actually inspired games like Deus ex.  Belko had some excellent  ports for Doom,Hexen, Strife, Jedi knight sadly they were all removed over an  excuse (supposedly they used icons that were copyrighted).
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Post by: ng7 on August 23, 2015, 01:26:45 am
Apologies if I missed the mention already but can the battery be charged via USB?

Can't wait for my blue 32gb to arrive! :)
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Post by: kristianity77 on August 23, 2015, 02:58:59 pm
So is the Dpad broken on this then as per the front page? (bottom left diagonal) or does this appear to be an isolated incident?  Anyone yet that has one clarify the situation?
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Post by: SONY on August 23, 2015, 03:27:44 pm
So is the Dpad broken on this then as per the front page? (bottom left diagonal) or does this appear to be an isolated incident?  Anyone yet that has one clarify the situation?

See below.

The DPAD diagonals are ok.


http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/anyone-got-their-gpd-xd-shipped-yet-post-here!/30/
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Post by: logseman on August 25, 2015, 07:34:41 am
Could a moderator make this thread a sticky?
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 09:35:04 am
So, just got it!

looks and feels really really solid! And it's shiny/looks great! Controls feel reallllyyy good! (altough I haven't tested them yet).
Screen is undamaged. There is absolutely no hinge sound! NOTHING! It feels really solid, no hinge sound. Also, you can still lock it into every position you want, BUT, there are two positions now at which it stops for a second until you apply more pressure - this combined with the lack of sound makes me thing they went for some combination of what the 3ds has and what they had at first.

Put it in the charger, so it's charging now. (oh yeah it has a charging led and power indicator. It really feels more premium then q9 XD)

The box was also really profesional. The Q9 came in a brown cardboard box, this one was white and shiny with everything in separate components! There was even a specsheet included and  a warranty card in a separate component. The handheld was placed in a size-fitting component with protective cover.

Will test it later today, I really hopy everything works. Altough I don't know, I don't see anything telling me I have to charge the battery for x hours before first use...
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Post by: vcoleiro1 on August 26, 2015, 09:40:36 am
So, just got it!

looks and feels really really solid! And it's shiny/looks great! Controls feel reallllyyy good! (altough I haven't tested them yet).
Screen is undamaged. There is absolutely no hinge sound! NOTHING! It feels really solid, no hinge sound. Also, you can still lock it into every position you want, BUT, there are two positions now at which it stops for a second until you apply more pressure - this combined with the lack of sound makes me thing they went for some combination of what the 3ds has and what they had at first.

Put it in the charger, so it's charging now. (oh yeah it has a charging led and power indicator. It really feels more premium then q9 XD)

The box was also really profesional. The Q9 came in a brown cardboard box, this one was white and shiny with everything in separate components! There was even a specsheet included and  a warranty card in a separate component. The handheld was placed in a size-fitting component with protective cover.

Will test it later today, I really hopy everything works. Altough I don't know, I don't see anything telling me I have to charge the battery for x hours before first use...

Would be great if you can do a battery life test from full charge. No one has done that yet.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 10:00:38 am
So, just got it!

looks and feels really really solid! And it's shiny/looks great! Controls feel reallllyyy good! (altough I haven't tested them yet).
Screen is undamaged. There is absolutely no hinge sound! NOTHING! It feels really solid, no hinge sound. Also, you can still lock it into every position you want, BUT, there are two positions now at which it stops for a second until you apply more pressure - this combined with the lack of sound makes me thing they went for some combination of what the 3ds has and what they had at first.

Put it in the charger, so it's charging now. (oh yeah it has a charging led and power indicator. It really feels more premium then q9 XD)

The box was also really profesional. The Q9 came in a brown cardboard box, this one was white and shiny with everything in separate components! There was even a specsheet included and  a warranty card in a separate component. The handheld was placed in a size-fitting component with protective cover.

Will test it later today, I really hopy everything works. Altough I don't know, I don't see anything telling me I have to charge the battery for x hours before first use...

Would be great if you can do a battery life test from full charge. No one has done that yet.

Sure! I just put it on because I didn't see any warning about charging it to full first. so later XD After I have played with it :P

I can say this!

The screen ... is fucking brilliant! And super bright! Super mario world looks like a charm!

The speakers literally, at max volume, sound as good as my (cheap but still) sennheiser headphone. Theyre awesome!

It's ergonomic and all the controls are reachable.

At least for super mario world the dpad works fine. Gonna test all buttons now. Doki-doki!
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 10:41:09 am
Okay, here is my first impression after some more gaming:

(First of all a tip: you can actually switch between a ps3 and an xbox 360 joystick driver!!)

If Jesus Christ had been a gaming handheld, this would be the second coming of the lord. It's that good. Seriously.

Emulator performance is great (and screen refresh rate very close to 60 - 59.21 for those who really mind)

Ergonomics are great!

I just watched an episode of wizard barristers and omg it looks so freaking good. Really very very good. And bright. I test at the window and couldn't even see the sunlight reflect in it. at all. It also sounds great - those speakers are really really good.

All the controls werk superbly well. This includes the dpad and it's diagonals.

Wifi is good (constant 16-20 mbps download, 18 mbps upload)

It's built like a tank. And no more hinge sound. And looks good.

preliminary rating: ten get-wrecked new 3ds XL's / 10. :D

Will post my experience with modern combat 4 when it finishes downloading in a few minutes. :D

And then san andreas. And gamestreaming. OMG!
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Post by: on August 26, 2015, 11:10:44 am
Sounds good, looking forward to your videos. It's a good sign they went for the hinge peg lock instead of the friction lock, although I kind of feel bad for nielo360 because he kind of got boned with the inferior design.

The frame rate is suboptimal and doesn't fit an emulation device. We need a precise 60hz unless the emulators are coded to fit other framerates (they aren't).
In the long run, you'll get audio/video desyncs, and it's crucial they'll fix it with the next firmware update.

Any thoughts about the analogs? Does the d-pad work equally well in all directions?
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Post by: skelton on August 26, 2015, 11:35:41 am
How did you test screen refresh rate? Using an emu or with a different method? I say because Broglia emus have an option, but not very precise. For instance, in q9 sometimes it reports 59.6, other times 60.8, etc.... However, screen is indeed 60 hz and emulation is buttery smooth.

Try it with this app and see what reports:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.displaytester

Though the best way to check refresh rate in RK is via dmesg and look for lcdc values.
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 11:37:34 am
Gamestreaming works pretty good! Some lag sometimes, but can play just cause 2 quite comfortably D: Wouldn't do it at home if I can also sit at pc *maybe* (maybe I would) but definitely great for break hours at university!

Dpad works great in all 8 directions, yes. Gamepad tester says that buttons are sticky after you have pressed a diagonal (after you push both left and down for example sometimes in gamepad tester up keeps being active) but simply testing it by gaming told me that's bullshit. It works brilliantly, fluently and smoothly (tested with macross game for snes, super difficult and diagonals required often).

The joysticks are work of modern art. They are absolutely great. Playing just cause 2 proved that XD no deadzone issues or issues with the range either.

Gonna play modern combat 4 know!
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 11:40:38 am
How did you test screen refresh rate? Using an emu or with a different method? I say because Broglia emus have an option, but not very precise. For instance, in q9 sometimes it reports 59.6, other times 60.8, etc.... However, screen is indeed 60 hz and emulation is buttery smooth.

Try it with this app and see what reports:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.displaytester

Though the best way to check refresh rate in RK is via dmesg and look for lcdc values.

you are right. It's 60.01 hz. Also no banding and good colours, great viewing angles... great screen!
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Post by: sphinx on August 26, 2015, 11:45:39 am
So, just got it!

looks and feels really really solid! And it's shiny/looks great! Controls feel reallllyyy good! (altough I haven't tested them yet).
Screen is undamaged. There is absolutely no hinge sound! NOTHING! It feels really solid, no hinge sound. Also, you can still lock it into every position you want, BUT, there are two positions now at which it stops for a second until you apply more pressure - this combined with the lack of sound makes me thing they went for some combination of what the 3ds has and what they had at first.

Put it in the charger, so it's charging now. (oh yeah it has a charging led and power indicator. It really feels more premium then q9 XD)

The box was also really profesional. The Q9 came in a brown cardboard box, this one was white and shiny with everything in separate components! There was even a specsheet included and  a warranty card in a separate component. The handheld was placed in a size-fitting component with protective cover.

Will test it later today, I really hopy everything works. Altough I don't know, I don't see anything telling me I have to charge the battery for x hours before first use...

Good for you eragon2890 :)
Mine makes hinge sound when it is on the 90 degree position and trying to open or close it!
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 11:51:24 am
So, just got it!

looks and feels really really solid! And it's shiny/looks great! Controls feel reallllyyy good! (altough I haven't tested them yet).
Screen is undamaged. There is absolutely no hinge sound! NOTHING! It feels really solid, no hinge sound. Also, you can still lock it into every position you want, BUT, there are two positions now at which it stops for a second until you apply more pressure - this combined with the lack of sound makes me thing they went for some combination of what the 3ds has and what they had at first.

Put it in the charger, so it's charging now. (oh yeah it has a charging led and power indicator. It really feels more premium then q9 XD)

The box was also really profesional. The Q9 came in a brown cardboard box, this one was white and shiny with everything in separate components! There was even a specsheet included and  a warranty card in a separate component. The handheld was placed in a size-fitting component with protective cover.

Will test it later today, I really hopy everything works. Altough I don't know, I don't see anything telling me I have to charge the battery for x hours before first use...

Good for you eragon2890 :)
Mine makes hinge sound when it is on the 90 degree position and trying to open or close it!

Strange! but given how god-awesome they are for the rest, I figure it?s not a problem XD

It's so damn great!

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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 11:52:37 am
Playing modern combat 4 on it... looks great... solid 60 fps... great analogs... only shame is that like on q9, it 'switches' a and b buttons so b is switch weapon and a reload... only one other game I know of which does this is san andreas. But it still plays like a dream!

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Post by: stan1 on August 26, 2015, 11:57:06 am
eragon did screen protector come preinstalled? Did you buy it from willgoo?
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 11:57:27 am
I can say that at max brightness, with wifi on all the time, in an hour of gamestreaming, snes emulation, and modern combat 4, it has lost about 15% battery life.

so those claims of 6 - 10 hours definitely seem like they were true!
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 11:58:07 am
eragon did screen protector come preinstalled? Did you buy it from willgoo?

No, geekbuying. Don't think it has one, but it looks great, solid, and device will be closed most of the time anyway...
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Post by: stan1 on August 26, 2015, 12:04:09 pm
Bought mine through gb too but waiting for it to be sent. Does yours stay cool like nielos? Tons of crapware on first boot to uninstall?
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 12:08:31 pm
Bought mine through gb too but waiting for it to be sent. Does yours stay cool like nielos? Tons of crapware on first boot to uninstall?

Very cool, and I like happy chick so almost no crapware. If you don't then it's easy to remove them. :D

Oh and it comes prerooted like their older products :D
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Post by: SONY on August 26, 2015, 12:50:52 pm
So, superuser will allow us to delete any of the bloatware inside?
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 26, 2015, 12:54:06 pm
@eragon2890 do you have a PS4?  if so I have a hacked version of remote play app you could test if you like  ;D

also could you test Xash half life port found here

https://github.com/SDLash3D/xash3d-android-project

Cheers ruffnutts

BTW just  Pre ordered 32GB Black hope it happens lol
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 01:46:45 pm
@sony: yes. In fact not need root - they can just be removed via the app list in the settings.

@ruffnuts: nope, sorry, no ps4 :(

I would like to be able to play half life on it someday, so how do  I install that thing and get half life to work? XD

I can say that after these couple hours (~2.5) of intensive gaming (mc 4, asphalt 8, san andreas)  at max brigthness and with wifi on, the battery dropped ~30%. Nice.

I can also confirm both the joystick drivers actually work and are separate - with the default xbox 360 one in san andreas the analogs did not work, with the ps3 everything does. So if a game doesn't work with one joystick driver try the other! The attention to detail here is amazing!

Oh and installing dead space now. Will see if the joystick (in ps3 mode) is picked up. After that I am gonna go and play the rest of mc4 campaign =P

Oh and headphone jack also works fine, so does microsd but like often it's a bit difficult to push one in deep enough so it clicks into place, will ask my mom to do that tonight. She has nails XD (but it does work, every time I try it makes a connection immediately like it should)
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 26, 2015, 02:05:50 pm
Ok to play half Life just need the APk from That Link and the original valve folder from The game  8)

Also there's a Version of Minecraft pocket out there with control support
Made for nvidia shield portale that should work, if you can't get hold of
It give me a shout ...would be nice to see it tested ;D

ruffnutts
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Post by: SONY on August 26, 2015, 03:57:41 pm
It sounds all too difficult :(
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Post by: MicroByte on August 26, 2015, 04:27:51 pm
For those getting yours in, can you post more pictures please?  I know there are plenty, but I would just love to see more!
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Post by: SONY on August 26, 2015, 04:34:33 pm
^ Agreed!

I can't get enough of seeing the XD. It's like pr0n to me :D
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Post by: lemmywinks on August 26, 2015, 05:18:35 pm
What, so there's Half Life now? Does it work?

Going to have a clear out and order one of these I think.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 26, 2015, 05:26:50 pm
It's just a PC to Android port. No big deal, really.
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 26, 2015, 05:33:28 pm
https://youtu.be/fE0O0d3Z-QM

Works great on my Shield Portable
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Post by: lemmywinks on August 26, 2015, 05:44:14 pm
Wow that looks great.

It is a big deal for me, one of my favourite games is available to play on a handheld.
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 26, 2015, 05:45:22 pm
Wow that looks great.

It is a big deal for me, one of my favourite games is available to play on a handheld.

Should work great on the XD
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 08:59:38 pm
Sorry, can't take pictures, no (anywhere near decent) camera. :-(

After playing the entire modern combat 4 campaign, I still have not only not noticed any issues, but not even any drawbacks whatsoever. The sticks are great, screen is great, battery life is incredible, speakers are great, performance is perfect (just set performance governor once in setcpu), it's super solid, dpad works like a charm, so do face and trigger and android buttons, *both* joystick drivers work as they should, wifi is okay, microsd and headphone and usb slot work fine, etc.

It's a marvel of engineering!

I will test half life later tonight, or maybe in a few days - I really want to go watch Machine-Doll wa Kizutsukanai right now after all that hard work finishing all of mc4 in one go. (~7 hours :O great game btw if you like COD!). It's apparently a great animu!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: lemmywinks on August 26, 2015, 09:26:17 pm
If you could also test Fallout that would be great:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/guide-how-to-play-fallout-1-2-android-t2939072
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: wolfstar27 on August 26, 2015, 11:02:08 pm
I remember watching Nielo360 video and he mentioned that its not 1.8ghz and more like 1.4ghz is that true?

also could you test out Conker's bad fur day on N64, I heard that game is hard to play on android, I tried it on my LG G3 and it lags a lot

Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 11:16:30 pm
Had it on q9 (or on my old rk3188) run fullspeed with 0 issues, so should do here so as well. :)
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: wolfstar27 on August 26, 2015, 11:32:56 pm
sweet, what about the 1.8ghz? is it that or really 1.4ghz like Nielo360 said in his review?

never played Portal or Half-life before, so I'm going to try and play that when I get mine, can't wait
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 26, 2015, 11:35:38 pm
half life runs at constant 70 - 90 fps on 720p!!

But one question. How to remove ugly touch screen controls and get controller to work? the files gave impression it would work with controllers :)
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Post by: eragon2890 on August 27, 2015, 12:25:31 am
Oh BTW important: Don't *think* about using the included charger. My came with a bend EU plug / converter thing and the only thing it produced when I tried putting it in the outlet was a large spark... But it charges fine with my other samsung charger off course!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 27, 2015, 02:05:37 am
sweet, what about the 1.8ghz? is it that or really 1.4ghz like Nielo360 said in his review?

never played Portal or Half-life before, so I'm going to try and play that when I get mine, can't wait

its confirmed to run at 1.4ghz. This will not change unless there is a cfw/gpd update that changes it.
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 27, 2015, 08:38:03 am
eragon set the controls up in game options or use the button mapper, I'm sure it worked straight away for me on the shield

also try portal clone portalize forund here

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.heaval.portalize&hl=sv

ruffnutts

P.S When I get mine will put out some videos  8)
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 27, 2015, 08:59:51 am
wow Counter Strike on android how cool using ExaGear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VRkXQjac54

nutts out lol
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 27, 2015, 11:12:50 am
OMG need to try this one

http://youtu.be/Gzlbz4zKd3k

What you reckon
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Post by: stan1 on August 27, 2015, 11:39:49 am
Had it on q9 (or on my old rk3188) run fullspeed with 0 issues, so should do here so as well. :)

For conkers the emulator was mupen?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 27, 2015, 12:03:24 pm
Had it on q9 (or on my old rk3188) run fullspeed with 0 issues, so should do here so as well. :)

For conkers the emulator was mupen?

Yes!

Everyone: i can say wifi arcade game multiplayer in happy chick works like a charm! (Am playing with a friend right now)!
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: eragon2890 on August 27, 2015, 01:43:48 pm
eragon set the controls up in game options or use the button mapper, I'm sure it worked straight away for me on the shield

also try portal clone portalize forund here

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.heaval.portalize&hl=sv

ruffnutts

P.S When I get mine will put out some videos  8)

With some work, analogs now work with half life but rest not yet
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: SONY on August 27, 2015, 01:53:53 pm
@eragon

Did you remove the onscreen controls?
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: ruffnutts on August 27, 2015, 02:02:11 pm
Really looking forward to testing this device now I ordered one lol
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: wolfstar27 on August 27, 2015, 05:19:36 pm
sweet, what about the 1.8ghz? is it that or really 1.4ghz like Nielo360 said in his review?

never played Portal or Half-life before, so I'm going to try and play that when I get mine, can't wait

its confirmed to run at 1.4ghz. This will not change unless there is a cfw/gpd update that changes it.

Cheers for that Nielo360

Can anyone confirm if it has an Amiga emulator already installed on it? cause I know happychick doesn't have it
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Post by: ruffnutts on August 27, 2015, 06:53:00 pm
Cool app for you all to try free capture and live streaming app called Shou on Google play
Just tested on my shield works awesome, for people who dont have good cams there's no excuse get those GPD XD videos going...

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oxa7.shou&hl=en

ruffnutts
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: sphinx on August 27, 2015, 08:15:12 pm
sweet, what about the 1.8ghz? is it that or really 1.4ghz like Nielo360 said in his review?

never played Portal or Half-life before, so I'm going to try and play that when I get mine, can't wait

its confirmed to run at 1.4ghz. This will not change unless there is a cfw/gpd update that changes it.

Cheers for that Nielo360

Can anyone confirm if it has an Amiga emulator already installed on it? cause I know happychick doesn't have it

No Amiga or any 8/16 bit computer emulator are installed with Happy Chick, just consoles.
Title: Re: GPD XD VIDEO Review vs N3ds XL, PPSSPP, ARCADE, Farcry 4 gamestream..
Post by: nielo360 on August 29, 2015, 12:55:45 pm
GPD xd 3.3.1/3.3.0 English version has been removed from the baidu gpd official page, so if anyone has another link would that would be great.
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Post by: nielo360 on August 29, 2015, 01:09:10 pm
Also those of you with loose battery or dpad issues please post where you ordered your unit from. This would be helpful to check if certain batches were defective.