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Title: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 13, 2015, 11:59:44 am
My GPD Q9 Review
TESTS:
Android games: Exiles, Strangers Wrath, Bladelords
Emulation: Fighting Force 2 (psx) Contra Hard corps (md) Untold legends 2 (psp)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af-E9TVfH6U

TIPS

Q9 1.7 firmware seems more stable battery wise (dont recommend using 1.8 firmware)
http://pan.baidu.com/share/home?uk=389368662#category/type=0

UPDATED OFFICIAL FIRMWARE:New version of firmware v1.1.1 (international) (thanks skeleton)
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1ntkjXQp

Use the built in cleam master app to delete all bloatware and junk, (and then remove clean master itself)

Battery calibration app is important after firmware upgrade (use once after charged to 100% from playstore)

Heat is manageable because the clocks seem a bit more stable.

(Set cpu profiles do not work with this device so far, that would be ideal)

hope this is useful for somebody.

IMPORTANT:DEVICE REAL CLOCK RUNS @ 1.4Ghz ONLY NOTES FROM SKELETON'S RESEARCH
Some more digging I have made these days. I got access to latest RK3288 SDK. My suspects were certain, device in latest firmwares is limited to 1,4 ghz (it marks 1,6 ghz but that frequency is never used). DDR Speed is 400 mhz and GPU is 500 mhz. Talking with a GPD engineer they tell me the main reason is the heat. Device has not a good heatsink, so the "workaround" they made to avoid is basically to underclock the device, because some devices can suffer some instability even at 1,6 ghz. Even the system reaches a certain temperature, device speed is automatically lowered. I guess this what happened with nielo360 when he got his device. He suffered some CPU throttling due to temp.

I personally have tested kernel at 1,6 ghz and run without problems in my device. However, true 1,8 ghz is practically impossible to handle in this device. Device is not stable in my testings because I have to increase voltage to 1.4V to make it stable, but means device temp go high very soon and CPU Throttling and crashes are frequent. So I am afraid that 1,6 ghz is the max for this device. And probably the reason why Rockchip limits CPU to 1,6 in tablets. In tvboxes is different because of good heatsinks, but in a tablel 1,8 ghz is impossible to reach it.

With that said, I am using my device with the 1,4 ghz limitation and for me it's fine.  Emus run good and the Android games that I have tried run without issues, so probably that speed is enough.


BENCHMARKS:Q9 UPDATED
(http://i57.tinypic.com/20hstaw.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2a7zeog.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/swxwd4.png)

Comparison to tegra 4 shield portable:
(http://i61.tinypic.com/30m8m12.png)
Other info:
international firmware
http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3904954380&uk=389368662 (thanks skeleton)




Just received the q9 unit, review should be up youtube by tomorow if I can get the play store issue sorted but here are the issues so far:

play store: iv tried my best to install it, even after google services is installed it crashes.
(i need tincore to get R3/L3 functions hence play store)

weight: the device is not too heavy but its enough to hurt my left hand & fingers after 25 mins of gaming due to lack of proper grip and all the weght pushed on the hand. (will explain this in the video) The balance is really bad for me personally however it may be fine for other users. I did not have this issue with the gpd g7.

Nubs: the analog nubs keep rotating in circular motion which make them annoying to use, either this is by design or they are broken(i doubt its broken since both nubs do this)

Screen: the ips screen has good viewing angles..but the colors are dull which is probably to be expected. Brightness is average at best. Maybe a color correction vivid mode mod like in cryogen can fix it.

Heat: the back does get pretty warm and you can feel it in your fingers, its not too bad but this may due to the poor heatsink placement.

speakers: They are stereo and pretty good however the volume needs to be modded as it can be low in some emu's.

Dpad: this has the best dpad iv ever used, which is unfortunate due to the device its on.

would appreciate if someone could tell me the proper method to getting play store working.


 
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: Deen0X on April 13, 2015, 12:13:30 pm
Try this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1839871
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: Melquiades on April 13, 2015, 12:14:45 pm
Hi,

Do you mean google play? I hope not, it would render the device useless.

The heating of the device is not good news neither, I expected the lower power consumption of the 3288 to be an advantage here.

Just some details for the promised review: is it rooted? how good is the battery?

Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 13, 2015, 12:17:40 pm
Lower power consumption? The RK3288 is not low power consumption at all, in fact is most widely used in tvboxes and a good heatsink in it. Perhaps device does not include heatsink. Forget about overclocking it then.

For google play, probably you just need to install the international firmware that should come with google play I guess

http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3904954380&uk=389368662

About ergonomics, if it's like q89, then I agree that g7 is definetely more ergonomic. Though for me anything bigger than 5  inch devices is not conforatable at all.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 13, 2015, 12:25:11 pm
Going to try deenox suggestion when I reach home for the play store

The heat is not bad so far, its just a tad warm, similar to the much i5.

The gpu is quiet strong, oddworld strangers wrath runs with all settings on full (granted resolution is only 1024x600)

Sadly ps4 remote play crashes as with other rockchip devices, support would need to be patched in.

Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 13, 2015, 02:27:48 pm
I couldnt flash the zips for google play since there is no custom recovery on the device, flashing those apks dint help either as google play services constantly keeps crashing. I side loaded tincore for L3 and r3 to test gamestreaming along with limelight.

This device comes preloaded with lots of roms for emus and lots of chinese bloatware as well. The keyboard must be changed to something else as its stock chinese with strange methods of input.

Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 13, 2015, 02:36:47 pm
I think it's easier and faster that you install international firmware, at least that is what I would do:

http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3904954380&uk=389368662

For CWM perhaps you can use this (I do in my tvbox):

http://www.arctablet.com/blog/forum/rk3288-entwicklung-und-customroms-development-and-croms/rk3288-rom-twrpcwm-flash-tool-custom-root-firmware-20150117/
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 13, 2015, 02:38:00 pm
double post
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: procyon on April 13, 2015, 03:03:43 pm
Just got mine this morning  Haven't messed with it for more than ten minutes so far, but I'm jotting down all my impressions so far:

+1 to geekbuying for getting the device in my hands crazy early Monday morning (DHL shipping, good thing I redirected to my office.)

-1 to geekbuying for the very faint, barely perceptible scratches on my screen.  There's also two instances of very tiny bubbles on the edges of the screen.  It almost made me think there's a film pre-applied to the screen, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Google Play worked out of the box for me.  I must be on the international firmware.

Agree that the analog nubs do indeed spin, so when you're performing 360s with them, there's a bit of play (motion) underneath your thumb.  Not crazy bad, but noticeable.

Also agree that the colors are a bit washed out, everything seems to be running on the cool (blue) side.

As expected, ridiculous amount of pirated bloatware, but it does come rooted, so it will take some time to figure out what's safe to remove and get as close to AOSP as possible.

Will report more as time goes on.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 13, 2015, 04:08:29 pm
Just got mine this morning  Haven't messed with it for more than ten minutes so far, but I'm jotting down all my impressions so far:

+1 to geekbuying for getting the device in my hands crazy early Monday morning (DHL shipping, good thing I redirected to my office.)

-1 to geekbuying for the very faint, barely perceptible scratches on my screen.  There's also two instances of very tiny bubbles on the edges of the screen.  It almost made me think there's a film pre-applied to the screen, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Google Play worked out of the box for me.  I must be on the international firmware.

Agree that the analog nubs do indeed spin, so when you're performing 360s with them, there's a bit of play (motion) underneath your thumb.  Not crazy bad, but noticeable.

Also agree that the colors are a bit washed out, everything seems to be running on the cool (blue) side.

As expected, ridiculous amount of pirated bloatware, but it does come rooted, so it will take some time to figure out what's safe to remove and get as close to AOSP as possible.

Will report more as time goes on.

any idea where I can find the international firmware? there was some link posted for the q88 but I cant find the q9

Also gamestreaming is terrible on it compared to shield/gpd g7/much i5s   its either an issue with the wifi or the cpu/gpu clock

too much latency
the nubs maybe analog but on gamestreaming they feel like digital pads due to the lack of proper travel or rotation, hence they are only good for some slow paced android/pc games. I tried shadow of mordor, the camera is quiet hard to control with nubs along with the latency.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 13, 2015, 04:16:25 pm
The CPU/GPU of RK3288 shouldn't be a problem for gamstreaming, at least it is not in my RK3288 box. PErhaps is your wifi, or the antenna that comes with the q9, I don't know.

The international firmware I have posted it a couple of post ago, but here I go again:

http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3904954380&uk=389368662

About analogs, it's as expected, the analogs of q89 are terrible, so probably in q9 are just the same.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 13, 2015, 04:17:07 pm
I think it's easier and faster that you install international firmware, at least that is what I would do:

http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3904954380&uk=389368662

For CWM perhaps you can use this (I do in my tvbox):

http://www.arctablet.com/blog/forum/rk3288-entwicklung-und-customroms-development-and-croms/rk3288-rom-twrpcwm-flash-tool-custom-root-firmware-20150117/

oops just saw it skel ill check it out now thanks for ur help
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 13, 2015, 04:23:54 pm
The CPU/GPU of RK3288 shouldn't be a problem for gamstreaming, at least it is not in my RK3288 box. PErhaps is your wifi, or the antenna that comes with the q9, I don't know.

The international firmware I have posted it a couple of post ago, but here I go again:

http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3904954380&uk=389368662

About analogs, it's as expected, the analogs of q89 are terrible, so probably in q9 are just the same.

yes its strange cuz on the g7 gamestream works at 60 fps, I think it maybe due to the low battery, despite being plugged in perhaps the cpu is throttled.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 13, 2015, 04:29:24 pm
Try chanigng CPU governor to ondemand or performance to see if it helps. If not, perhaps is a wifi issue, or the wifi in your device works slow. in q89 gamestreaming was fine using limelight, so probably is more a wifi issue I guess. Though with the terrible analogs of these devices, I don't think gamestreaming is too much worth it anyway. I only use q89 (the few times I use it) to play games that are DPAD only.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: procyon on April 14, 2015, 05:20:29 am
Skelton, I don't think the option to change the CPU governor is present on this device. If it was available, where would it be found? I couldn't find anything useful in About Tablet...

Some firmware headaches...  Coming from the JXD 7800, I didn't expect to miss the hardware back and home buttons so much.  But on this device, the screen icons for those functions auto-hide, and there doesn't appear to be any way to disable that.  So I'm constantly sweeping my finger up from the bottom to tap back or home. And with the frequency that I need it (when I'm not playing games) it's become a pain in the ass.

I also came from a phone that let me alter the Quick Setting icons under the notification bar,  and I can't do that here. Some of the settings there are really useless and dumb. The "Emergency Calls Only" icon is pointless, and the Location icon isn't much better. I wish I could just remove them. Speaking of calls, I also had to go into the system directory and remove TelephonyProvider.apk to knock out Cell Standby as the worst battery offender.

Performance wise, the device is proving to be a good investment. The battery appears to be a lot more stable and reliable than the 7800, and working USB charging is a huge plus. Mupen64 and DraStic have both handled everything that they are expected to run at full frame rate. Other than that and Android Crazy Taxi, I haven't pushed the system too hard, but it definitely meets my expectations. It could just really use some firmware love.  I installed Nova Launcher,  and while that filled in some functionality gaps, it didn't resolve my two biggest gripes described above.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 14, 2015, 06:09:28 am
Skelton, I don't think the option to change the CPU governor is present on this device. If it was available, where would it be found? I couldn't find anything useful in About Tablet...

Some firmware headaches...  Coming from the JXD 7800, I didn't expect to miss the hardware back and home buttons so much.  But on this device, the screen icons for those functions auto-hide, and there doesn't appear to be any way to disable that.  So I'm constantly sweeping my finger up from the bottom to tap back or home. And with the frequency that I need it (when I'm not playing games) it's become a pain in the ass.

I also came from a phone that let me alter the Quick Setting icons under the notification bar,  and I can't do that here. Some of the settings there are really useless and dumb. The "Emergency Calls Only" icon is pointless, and the Location icon isn't much better. I wish I could just remove them. Speaking of calls, I also had to go into the system directory and remove TelephonyProvider.apk to knock out Cell Standby as the worst battery offender.

Performance wise, the device is proving to be a good investment. The battery appears to be a lot more stable and reliable than the 7800, and working USB charging is a huge plus. Mupen64 and DraStic have both handled everything that they are expected to run at full frame rate. Other than that and Android Crazy Taxi, I haven't pushed the system too hard, but it definitely meets my expectations. It could just really use some firmware love.  I installed Nova Launcher,  and while that filled in some functionality gaps, it didn't resolve my two biggest gripes described above.

youd want to use setcpu to change the governer. Battery wise my system drains quiet fast however that could be firmware issue. You can click on the the double down arrow in the bar to disable auto hide. Performance wise for me its on par with the previous RK3188 quad core device, hence no boost in performance.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 14, 2015, 08:14:53 am
Like nielo360 says, to change cpu governor and speeds you need to use an app, like setcpu, no-frills or Trickster MOD to name a few. I don't know in the case in q9, but in q89 you can use button A or B to act as back function in launcher and in some apps, I suppose in q9 should be the same.

Performance wise, in emulation you won't notice much difference because most emus run fine in rk3188, so except some psp and dc games should be more or less the same. Also, the use of shaders is faster in rk3288, like using hq2x in Broglia emus. But the main difference will be in Android games, because the biggest change is in GPU. At least from what I have tested in my tvbox.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 14, 2015, 11:07:33 am
Hello everyone!

My archos gamepad 2, which I absolutely love,has after a year of super intensive usage developed a broken/drifting left stick. This makes games like quake , GTA, dead trigger etc very difficult to play and since it also for example controls the cursor in tex t writing, i really nee a new console. I have a few questions for the people who already have this:

(Please note that i prefer these nubs  because of portability so that is not an issue)

-is it true that this is really just the q88 with rk3288 instead of 3188? I read a quite positive review about q88 so if that's the case I can expect the positive review of the screen,  button mapper, and compatibility with gamepad-supporting games to still apply to this device as well.

- is the device stable? Ie, it doesn't crash and reboot every few hours?

- is the button mapper good?

- mine should come with play store, are most games marked as compatible?
Can someone with play store please check if the games San andreas, modern combat 4, asphalt 8, real racing 3, dead trigger 1/2, riptide gp2 and galaxy on fire 2 HD show up in the play store as compatible? This should take only one minute to try and would be really helpful ass no game comptaiblilty would be a deal breaker for me. Same question applies to emulators; do retroarch, mupen64 , drastic, snes9x, epsxe show up as ccompatible?

- I do assume the sticks, tough 'bad' , are good enough too play quake, dead trigger etc without too much problems right? For reference , I loved the aerchos gamepad 2 ones before they broke. If as good as those, i am more then happy.

- is the screen good enough too be able t enjoy watching streaming anime, browsing the internet, and reading manga on it? Doesn't have to be stellar , but decent enough to enjoy media consumption on is. Crunchyroll? The gpd 88 review mentioned the screen was fine...

- last one: most high end modern 2014 android games do not run on the rk3188's Mali 400 GPU. Examples include tales of the borderlands, exile, walking dead 2, ... The t-764 should be 6 - 8 times faster according to rk3288 benchmarks, and that was on a 1080p service. I am correct in assuming all current high end android games including gGameloftones will run at 60 fps flat? AAccording to all benchmarks it should (30% faster gpu then even the galaxy s5 in a device with half the screen resolution!) But just to be sure I ask it here. I do also plan to use it a ton for android high end gsames as well as emulators, so I want it to be able to do both well.

Sorry for all the questions, but geekbuying jhas a deal for only 3 more days where you save 22% on one of these, so I really want to know quickly if I should buy it ... Don't want to burn my hands but it looks great!

Any help~? Thanks in advance!

Oh and is geekbuying a good store?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 14, 2015, 11:57:53 am
Just got mine this morning  Haven't messed with it for more than ten minutes so far, but I'm jotting down all my impressions so far:

+1 to geekbuying for getting the device in my hands crazy early Monday morning (DHL shipping, good thing I redirected to my office.)

-1 to geekbuying for the very faint, barely perceptible scratches on my screen.  There's also two instances of very tiny bubbles on the edges of the screen.  It almost made me think there's a film pre-applied to the screen, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Google Play worked out of the box for me.  I must be on the international firmware.

Agree that the analog nubs do indeed spin, so when you're performing 360s with them, there's a bit of play (motion) underneath your thumb.  Not crazy bad, but noticeable.

Also agree that the colors are a bit washed out, everything seems to be running on the cool (blue) side.

As expected, ridiculous amount of pirated bloatware, but it does come rooted, so it will take some time to figure out what's safe to remove and get as close to AOSP as possible.

Will report more as time goes on.

Do you have a normal English keyboard in yours bymdefault? Is everything in English? I want to buy it from geekbuying too, want to know if the keyboard and everything else are all English in the international firmware... And what the compatibility is in play store with games a asked above? :-)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: procyon on April 15, 2015, 12:28:15 am
I just got home from work so I can use the unit and respond.  I'm surprised no one else beat me to it.

-is it true that this is really just the q88 with rk3288 instead of 3188? I read a quite positive review about q88 so if that's the case I can expect the positive review of the screen,  button mapper, and compatibility with gamepad-supporting games to still apply to this device as well.
I never had a Q88, so I can't say with certainty, but I mean, just look at the pictures.  It's the same exact form factor and everything.

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- is the device stable? Ie, it doesn't crash and reboot every few hours?
Haven't had one crash yet.  Although the longest I've used it in one sitting is 30 minutes, so I haven't really taxed it yet.

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- is the button mapper good?
Same one that is standard on the JXD, so sufficient, but not stellar.  Tincore would be an upgrade.

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- mine should come with play store, are most games marked as compatible?
Can someone with play store please check if the games San andreas, modern combat 4, asphalt 8, real racing 3, dead trigger 1/2, riptide gp2 and galaxy on fire 2 HD show up in the play store as compatible? This should take only one minute to try and would be really helpful ass no game comptaiblilty would be a deal breaker for me. Same question applies to emulators; do retroarch, mupen64 , drastic, snes9x, epsxe show up as ccompatible?
All of those games show up as available for download on my unit, although I did not do so to try them out or anything.  Mupen64, Drastic, SNES9x and ePSXe all run on the device.  I haven't tried retroarch since I'm not a fan of it.  All of Robert Bruglia's *.emu emulators are my first choice, and they run fine.

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- I do assume the sticks, tough 'bad' , are good enough too play quake, dead trigger etc without too much problems right? For reference , I loved the aerchos gamepad 2 ones before they broke. If as good as those, i am more then happy.
Having bought the device to play old-school retro games, I wasn't too concerned about the quality of the analog sticks.  I did give PewPew a whirl since that's my standard analog stick go-to game.  I would say the nubs are sufficient and get the job done, but I don't think I would enjoy playing with them for extended periods of time.  Since they spin, they have quite a bit of give, and when you push down on them too hard, they don't exactly glide across.  I wish I could safely add some grease to them or something, but again, they're not really my focus.

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- is the screen good enough too be able t enjoy watching streaming anime, browsing the internet, and reading manga on it? Doesn't have to be stellar , but decent enough to enjoy media consumption on is. Crunchyroll? The gpd 88 review mentioned the screen was fine...
Well, stellar it is not, but I don't think you will get any eye strain from using it or anything.  I works for what it does.  It won't be the best experience you've ever had, but it should be far enough from the worst.

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- last one: most high end modern 2014 android games do not run on the rk3188's Mali 400 GPU. Examples include tales of the borderlands, exile, walking dead 2, ... The t-764 should be 6 - 8 times faster according to rk3288 benchmarks, and that was on a 1080p service. I am correct in assuming all current high end android games including gGameloftones will run at 60 fps flat? AAccording to all benchmarks it should (30% faster gpu then even the galaxy s5 in a device with half the screen resolution!) But just to be sure I ask it here. I do also plan to use it a ton for android high end gsames as well as emulators, so I want it to be able to do both well.
No clue about this one, you'll have to ask someone else with more experience with these types of games.  They're not my focus.

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Oh and is geekbuying a good store?
Yes, I place my order on a Wednesday and had the device in my hands the following Monday morning.  However, as I pointed out, my screen had two barely perceptible, but noticeable in the right light, scratches on the surface.  Doesn't affect my usage, but they shouldn't be there at all brand new out of the box.  Some people have had mixed experiences with WillGoo, mine have only been positive, but read around.

Do you have a normal English keyboard in yours bymdefault? Is everything in English? I want to buy it from geekbuying too, want to know if the keyboard and everything else are all English in the international firmware... And what the compatibility is in play store with games a asked above? :-)
Yes, my unit came with everything completely set to English.  Based on what skelton said, I appear to have the international firmware.  Play store compatibility commented above, all the games were available.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 12:46:40 am
Thank you for the response! The part about the play store (?nd the sticks being at least functional enough to play the games ^_^, I don?t mind PSP style nubs) were quite helpfull, as welll as knowing the screen is good enough ~

However, I did read around about geekbuying, apparently they have an safety rating of 10% as well as some issues~  https://nl.trustpilot.com/review/geekbuying.com

You were probably very lucky, reading those stories...

Willgoo has a safety rating of 90% on the other hand, and it costs the same, but, I don?t know if that one has the international firmware on it... and there does not seem to be a way to put it on the console? Maybe I should just ask them :)

Thanks again!
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 01:15:48 am
okay, seriously, what?s a good store to buy it from?? None of them seem that trustworthy...  I don?t want to receive a broken product!

Oh, and do the analogs at least appear sturdy, ie they will hold out quite a while? D:
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 01:21:01 am
double post... Sorry :-(
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 15, 2015, 04:34:45 am
okay, seriously, what?s a good store to buy it from?? None of them seem that trustworthy...  I don?t want to receive a broken product!

Oh, and do the analogs at least appear sturdy, ie they will hold out quite a while? D:

aliexpress or willgoo are both ok, but I dont recomend buying this device, ergonomically its impossible to use for long periods of time(for me), the cpu at 1.8ghz is a neglagible upgrade. The gpu is strong but at 1024x600 a mali 450 does quiet well too.. the heat will affect your fingers. Nubs are pretty bad, not just beacuse they are nubs but because they spin.

the only good thing about this device is the dpad and speakers.

Since you wanted to know about the analogs, the nubs are analog but the motion is stiff, inaccurate and rough. It will feeling like a dpad.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: Melquiades on April 15, 2015, 08:26:03 am
Wow, I am disappointed to see a bad review, the heating is specially concerning. What a turndown. Serves me well for buying before reading reviews. Anyway, I bought it two weeks ago at GB and got it shipped two days ago. So paid more, I missed all these flash sales with $20 discounts and got it shipped after most people here. Not very nice of you GB.

Have you tried to reduce clock speed to 1.4 or 1.2? If Antutu score is still over 30000 it should be enough for emulation of most devices and the heating should be lower. Big games will be mostly run by the GPU anyway. It will save battery also...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: Deen0X on April 15, 2015, 08:40:34 am
i did not tested yet this device, but figure is similar to Q88+/Q89, i can comment few things.

Thre is two kind analog types on android consoles.
- Flat, like PSP sticks. These sticks are inaccurate in general speaking, and most time you will use as digital control (because you simply go to border directly, using all the range, or releasing, to let the stick on the center)
The good point of these kind of sticks is that are so portable. Devices with this you can put on your bag with easy and don?t get afraid of the sticks will be broken.

- Full featured Sticks as X360 controller. These kind of sticks are, for long, the best alternative for serious playing. Are precise and comfortable. The problem with these kind of sticks is that are not so portable. You must take care when transport a device with this, for avoiding broke them.

There is another kind of Sticks, that use JXDS7800B, but are not precise, and non comfortable, then i did not consider as alternative of serious gaming stick.

then, based on what i mentioned, there are alternatives for these two profiles of users:
- Users that want a portable device for normal-casual gaming. These kind of users will prefer something like Q88+/Q89/Q9 because is more easy to transport.

- Users that want a portable device for normal-serious gaming. These kind of users prefer devices like iPega 9700, GPD-G7, etc, where controls are good and sticks are quality. This kind of users usually play on home, and the device is not really for portable playing (outside home)

I agree with nielo360 about analog of Q88+/Q89/Q9 are not good for serious gaming with these controls, but in my opinion, are enough for portable/casual gaming. I usually play with GPD-Q89 on subway, and controls are enough for these kind of situations where i take the device and bring back quickly to my backpack, without worries about sticks will be broken. Time ago, i usually play with GPD-G5A on subway, but i broked right stick (get heavy pressed on my backpack) and i avoid to play normally with any device with these kind of sticks when travelling on subway, etc. Only use on my home.

sorry if i insist on the portable point of the sticks, but in fact, is the only reason why GPD put these sticks on this device.

Can you figure this device with Normal analog Sticks, and more confortable L2, R2 buttons? if you can figure, then most probably you will realize on that this mold is similar to GPG-G7. I figure on some time the G7 device will receive an upgrade with the new SoC (and hope, with a improved DPAD... or the same DPAD as Q9)

About the heating. i figure will be a problem. I want to open the device and check if there is the same heatsink solution than Q89.
And i reccomend to limit the speed of the device if you really don?t need power. As i remember, SetCPU can create profiles per App for configuring CPUs profiles (governor, max speed, etc)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 09:04:11 am
Do the other people who have this (or the q88, it?s the same after all) also find it unergonomical to use/get pain in their hand? Of course that?s rather subjective, but the guy who reviewed it on youtube (the 88) loved it. But I don?t want something which gives me hand pain after notime. Does it do this for everyone? Most people seem to like the device, only divided about the sticks. (Most I see say they?re fine/good enough, some hate them, I like PSP nubs, so it?s probably fine. And the fact they rotate sounds good to me, the archos ones don't, but that?s how it broke. It rotates now and is ruined. So if these are free to rotate, they probably will last longer, and it really doesn?t annoy me. The problem is the left stick simply does not respond accuretely anymore. I push forward, character goes left, like that~ :))

Is the heat a real problem? Reviewer said it was not that bad, and rockchips are known for being BBQchips. My archos, especially if it?s plugged into power outlet and running a game like dead trigger, becaumes so hot you can cook an egg on it, it?s ridiculous, yet I have had it for a year, game few hours per day on it on average + use it for everything else inlcuding streaming anime and stuff, and except for the left stick it still runs like a champ. It became hot enough to burn the ?u? of the ?otaku? sticker I put on it tough. That?s how hot it gets... yet I just had an uptime of just over three weeks with no crashes or anything before it shut down, because I forgot to charge the battery. Rock stable.

So is the heat really that bad? Because rockchips can handle aa bit of heat, at least the rk3188 could... (the official certified temperature for it also is 85 Celcius according to this manual I downloaded...) When nielo360 says ?not that bad'?, how bad is it? If it's just a bit, I don?t care, I am not gonna overclock it, and I figure it?s unavoidable given the speed of the GPU... it?s heating, or shitty framerates, I pick heating :)

I just really need a gamepad replacement, and one with a stronger GPU because I don?t want to buy back what I?ve got. I want to play tales of the borderlands and exiled and such. And I would happily wait, if that stick had not bought the bus.

So yeah, the two main questions are... does it give everyone a pain in their hand? Is it and the q88+ stable, like can use it for few hours on android game or emulator without crashing? And is the heat cremation-level or just a bit (also when playing something like crazy taxi, where the GPU has to work as well).

Sorry for so many questions, but this is subjective, I jsut want to minimize my chance of being something I won?t enjoy...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: Deen0X on April 15, 2015, 09:26:56 am
Do the other people who have this (or the q88, it?s the same after all) also find it unergonomical to use/get pain in their hand? Of course that?s rather subjective, but the guy who reviewed it on youtube (the 88) loved it. But I don?t want something which gives me hand pain after notime. Does it do this for everyone? Most people seem to like the device, only divided about the sticks. (Most I see say they?re fine/good enough, some hate them, I like PSP nubs, so it?s probably fine. And the fact they rotate sounds good to me, the archos ones don't, but that?s how it broke. It rotates now and is ruined. So if these are free to rotate, they probably will last longer, and it really doesn?t annoy me. The problem is the left stick simply does not respond accuretely anymore. I push forward, character goes left, like that~ :))

Is the heat a real problem? Reviewer said it was not that bad, and rockchips are known for being BBQchips. My archos, especially if it?s plugged into power outlet and running a game like dead trigger, becaumes so hot you can cook an egg on it, it?s ridiculous, yet I have had it for a year, game few hours per day on it on average + use it for everything else inlcuding streaming anime and stuff, and except for the left stick it still runs like a champ. It became hot enough to burn the ?u? of the ?otaku? sticker I put on it tough. That?s how hot it gets... yet I just had an uptime of just over three weeks with no crashes or anything before it shut down, because I forgot to charge the battery. Rock stable.

So is the heat really that bad? Because rockchips can handle aa bit of heat, at least the rk3188 could... (the official certified temperature for it also is 85 Celcius according to this manual I downloaded...) When nielo360 says ?not that bad'?, how bad is it? If it's just a bit, I don?t care, I am not gonna overclock it, and I figure it?s unavoidable given the speed of the GPU... it?s heating, or shitty framerates, I pick heating :)

I just really need a gamepad replacement, and one with a stronger GPU because I don?t want to buy back what I?ve got. I want to play tales of the borderlands and exiled and such. And I would happily wait, if that stick had not bought the bus.

So yeah, the two main questions are... does it give everyone a pain in their hand? Is it and the q88+ stable, like can use it for few hours on android game or emulator without crashing? And is the heat cremation-level or just a bit (also when playing something like crazy taxi, where the GPU has to work as well).

Sorry for so many questions, but this is subjective, I jsut want to minimize my chance of being something I won?t enjoy...

nielo.

open the device and check the cables/data buses are correctly plugged. in both, Q88+ and Q89, i get problems with internal cables and connectors, they are not corretcly connected, and the controls are not working well.

after fixing this, the controls running ok.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 15, 2015, 10:05:07 am
Do the other people who have this (or the q88, it?s the same after all) also find it unergonomical to use/get pain in their hand? Of course that?s rather subjective, but the guy who reviewed it on youtube (the 88) loved it. But I don?t want something which gives me hand pain after notime. Does it do this for everyone? Most people seem to like the device, only divided about the sticks. (Most I see say they?re fine/good enough, some hate them, I like PSP nubs, so it?s probably fine. And the fact they rotate sounds good to me, the archos ones don't, but that?s how it broke. It rotates now and is ruined. So if these are free to rotate, they probably will last longer, and it really doesn?t annoy me. The problem is the left stick simply does not respond accuretely anymore. I push forward, character goes left, like that~ :))

Is the heat a real problem? Reviewer said it was not that bad, and rockchips are known for being BBQchips. My archos, especially if it?s plugged into power outlet and running a game like dead trigger, becaumes so hot you can cook an egg on it, it?s ridiculous, yet I have had it for a year, game few hours per day on it on average + use it for everything else inlcuding streaming anime and stuff, and except for the left stick it still runs like a champ. It became hot enough to burn the ?u? of the ?otaku? sticker I put on it tough. That?s how hot it gets... yet I just had an uptime of just over three weeks with no crashes or anything before it shut down, because I forgot to charge the battery. Rock stable.

So is the heat really that bad? Because rockchips can handle aa bit of heat, at least the rk3188 could... (the official certified temperature for it also is 85 Celcius according to this manual I downloaded...) When nielo360 says ?not that bad'?, how bad is it? If it's just a bit, I don?t care, I am not gonna overclock it, and I figure it?s unavoidable given the speed of the GPU... it?s heating, or shitty framerates, I pick heating :)

I just really need a gamepad replacement, and one with a stronger GPU because I don?t want to buy back what I?ve got. I want to play tales of the borderlands and exiled and such. And I would happily wait, if that stick had not bought the bus.

So yeah, the two main questions are... does it give everyone a pain in their hand? Is it and the q88+ stable, like can use it for few hours on android game or emulator without crashing? And is the heat cremation-level or just a bit (also when playing something like crazy taxi, where the GPU has to work as well).

Sorry for so many questions, but this is subjective, I jsut want to minimize my chance of being something I won?t enjoy...

nielo.

open the device and check the cables/data buses are correctly plugged. in both, Q88+ and Q89, i get problems with internal cables and connectors, they are not corretcly connected, and the controls are not working well.

after fixing this, the controls running ok.

Im just finishing uploading the video, the controls all function as intended, the heat issues seems to be due to the chipset placement generelly speaking and will only come in to play with cpu intensive games, id say if people are used to phone heat while gaming its on par with that. I will try to open it up and see if there is any other issue with it.

Point to note Cpu governor was set to performance during review which definitely could factor into heat, its possible that casual users will not notice this.

Ergonomically its subjective, for instance the shield portable is quiet weighty for me to hold for long hours, however it really feels comfortable to grip on to.. the issue with this is the lack of grip/rest which could be due to me having larger size hands. Its not a weight issue but the sharp edges and finger resting make it uncomfortable and may cause ache to some people while not to others.

Ideally I wouldnt knock gpd on using nubs for portability but the way they have implemented them simply makes it annoying to use, as you will see in the video.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 15, 2015, 10:07:15 am
I personally find all 7 inch devices unconfortable (even g7 which is more ergonomic), and q89 is "as confortable" as JXD 7800B or Archos gamepad 2, so if you have used one of these it's pretty much the same. This q9 is the same mold as q89, so in terms of ergonomics should be the same. I personally cannot play with any 7 inch device for more than 15 minutes, so I never use them (except for android development)

With that said, for me the target of q89/q89 is mainly people who want to play emulators, because of the good dpad. For games that use analog or android games is not too recommended in my opinion, because analogs in q89 were rather terrible, and it seems that q9 are the same. So basically the choice is up to people depending on what they want to play. If you are emulator guy and don't care about android gaming at all, can be an option, if the focus is android gaming/streaming or things that use analog a lot, then probably there are other choices around.

Also, I remember that although kernel can report 1,8 ghz, all RK3288 run by default at 1,6 max, unless it's modified by source code, because there is  DEFAULT_SAFETY_FREQ flag that limit speed at 1,6 ghz, and probably is the best choice, because using 1,8 ghz or above is only recommended in tvboxes with a good heatsink.


By the way, just as curiosity, can anyone tell which refresh rate device has in hz? Is it 60 hz? How are partitions in the device? Did GPD include an option to swap nand flash/microSD like in previous GPD devices?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 15, 2015, 10:12:30 am
Yes there is an option to swap storage on this device,

whats  a reliable app to check refresh rate?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 15, 2015, 10:13:36 am
Display tester for instance:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.displaytester

Or just using calibration option in Retroarch emu.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: Melquiades on April 15, 2015, 10:24:40 am
With the S7800B I never had a problem playing for LONG periods of time (other than the battery), and I have learnt to live with its analogs, so I should be fine with the Q9 if it doesn't get very hot. This is my main concern, I am a fire hazard maniac.

I hope that by reducing clock speed a little the device will be OK temperature-wise while keeping some reasonable horsepower. I mean, if setting this at 1.2 or 1.4 Reicast and PPSSPP run OK I would be more than happy.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 15, 2015, 10:34:14 am
Display tester for instance:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.displaytester

Or just using calibration option in Retroarch emu.

refresh rate is 60.22
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 10:34:41 am
Thanks everyone! I want to buy one. I like big 7 inxh screen and have played for hours regularly (jrpgs!) on the gamepad 2 without hurting hands... And heat apparently isn't so bad even on android games. I love the extra performance for android games (not all of which even use the analogs BTW, I mean racing games, games like xcom, etc) . plus most everyone seem to think the analogs are either really good, or good enough at least to play fps games and twin sticks on, so seems I won't have real problems with GTA andreas, dead trigger, zombiewood ,quake and the like. I have also seen gameplay video of modern combat 5, looked like they could play it fine.

Two final questions: 1) the analogs may not be optimal , but they are transportable. I will however use them a lot just like the dpad. Do they seem sturdy, ie regardlessof how well you can play with them, which is apparently well enough, do they seem like they will last a while? Can the controls on this device survive one - two years  of regular intensive android and retro gaming?

2) where should I buy it? Someone recommended willgoo, but j want to be sure I get the version with the play store. And I mhear horror stories about both geekbuying and willgoo... And does the version with play store have android in English and English keyboard?

But thanks for the info, looks like between stable firmware, good dpad,usable analogs , fast GPU, it's good for both retro and android gaming... I want one... Now where to get it with play store and English ...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: Deen0X on April 15, 2015, 10:54:09 am
about playstore, don?t worry about this. simply flashing a firmware with this, you will solve.

and for english... all system have english, chinese, spanish, etc. you must setup on system settings.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: skelton on April 15, 2015, 11:40:15 am
Thanks for the info about screen refresh rate. Seems that firmware have no issues then, so no need for custom firmwares either.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 11:50:25 am
Thanks for the info about screen refresh rate. Seems that firmware have no issues then, so no need for custom firmwares either.

If it's alzo stable :-)  i shall know soon, just bought it, 100 euro for a handheld with like twice the performance of a galaxy s5 is not bad...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
Post by: nielo360 on April 15, 2015, 12:22:13 pm
My gpd Q9 review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af-E9TVfH6U
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: Melquiades on April 15, 2015, 12:49:58 pm
Wow, thanks for the review.

Unfortunately you are scaring the shit out of me. When I receive it I will use it for some weeks and then decide which one should I sell, this or the S7800B...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: nielo360 on April 15, 2015, 12:54:00 pm
Wow, thanks for the review.

Unfortunately you are scaring the shit out of me. When I receive it I will use it for some weeks and then decide which one should I sell, this or the S7800B...

Dont worry, as all reviews are really subjective, you might love the device and have fewer issues, I would highly recommend looking at Deenox's gpd Q88/Q89 review as he goes into much greater detail about the device's build (they have the same mold)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: Melquiades on April 15, 2015, 01:04:20 pm
Of  course I have been waiting to get my hands on that DPAD for a year. What pisses me off is the heating. It totally renders a handheld useless. On the other hand, if to avoid heating I have to limit clockspeed and to set a low governor, I fear I will lose the boost in android performace for things like Asphalt, Real Racing,... but also for games like Banner Saga or Limbo. Lets see, I am starting to think I should have bought a Q89.  :-[
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: Taru on April 15, 2015, 02:31:41 pm
I just thought id mention I used to have a gpd q88+ and I found a way to make the analog nubs glide easier, I noticed that when you press on stick  from a certain angle it catches the casing so I cut out 2 circular pieces of thin clear plastic from packaging I had laying around then cut a thin key hole shade out of the middle of the circles I made and fit them underneath the nubs above the casing no need to take anything apart just slip em around the tiny stick underneath the flat part of the nub, the plactic pieces need to cover the holes in the casing under the nubs.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: procyon on April 15, 2015, 03:09:07 pm
I used my device for nearly 2 hours straight last night, mostly emulators and some casual Android apps.  Battery went from 100% to 60% in that time.  Either Nielo360 has a particularly defective unit, or he is far more sensitive to the heat than I am.  I did notice that the unit gets warm, particularly behind the right side of the device, but in no way did it get to the point of discomfort or even distraction.  I only noticed it was warm when I stopped playing whatever I was playing.  I think (fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it) it's entirely subjective, and will only come down to trying it out and seeing if it's beyond your personal threshold.

So far, I'm extremely happy with the device, if for no other reason than purely as a replacement to my jxd 7800, which I constantly felt was fraught with problems.  The battery and power supply on the 7800 is a nightmare, and the buttons are loud and/or creaky.  The Q9 has none of that.  I thought I would care about the decrease in resolution, and I honestly couldn't even really tell the difference while playing games.  For some reason, I was convinced that going from an RK3188 to an RK3288 would be like going from a Core i3 to a Core i5, but it's really not.  But I didn't really buy the device to take specific advantage of an improved processor, so I can't complain.  All I know is that my 7800 better get used to being stuck in a drawer for a long time, or until I decide to sell it...

Edit: I would conclude that nielo's review is accurate for power android gamers, while my perspective is better for gamers more interested in old-school emulation and casual gaming.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 03:24:23 pm
The review puts a huge smile on my face because of the great game performance. On my rk3188 archos gamepad 2, exiles has an outside framerate of about 5 (Seriously) , he says it runs great on this device. Which is also true with other videos and t764 benchmarks. The gaming performance for android games is literally 6 - 8 times higher, and that does not take the lower resolution into account even! I saw video of icestorm benchmark on youtube, where framerate went from about 10, to more then 45 between the two devices. The difference between mali 400 mp4 and t-764 is seriously insane. ANother fact, to indicate the huge gap: triangle performance went from 55 million per second to 1300 million (!).
Ad in the screen resolution and this thing has insane game performance, can be seen in video too, it sends everything from nvidia shield to galaxy s5 and xperia z2 crying to mommy in terms of framerates. Just for fun, can the reviewer (who apparently has an xperia ultra tablet) run some graphic benchmarks on both devices and compare the fps results? I am almost sure this will actually perform (much) better since the GPU slaughters the adreno 330 used in all of 2014 ultra-high-end devices on paper on same resolution devices, and the screen resolution is only half...

Also, a correction on the video: the CPU is not just a speed bump! The 3188 used cortex a9 cores. The 3288 uses a12 (not a17 what they said) cores. A12 cores *At the same clock speed* are about 40% faster than a9 cores. So factoring in the slight bump in clock speed, CPU performance is about 50% higher, not just a little bit, because they also put in a newer architecture!

I am definitely one of the people who can live with the sticks, and the archos became quite hot also, I found it actually felt pretty good once I stopped worrying about wether or not the device could handle it after a few weeks ^_^

In other words: I can't wait till this thing arrives, I bought exiles and modern combat 5 on the play store but couldn't play them at all due to crap graphics performance, whereas here they run at 30 or probably even 60 fps flat on high(est) settings, so hallllllleeeejuuuuhah! I can't wait to actually finally be able to play exiles!

Oh other nice thing: if oyu have 4k screen, the HDMI port can actually output 4k video signal to it! SO you can game in 4k then :) The rk3288 also comes with a 4k video decoder for all common formats (I believe 60 fps even). It's a monster in all possible ways. It's *insane*. That's also why it gets a bit hot... the only way for them to prevent that was to include a desktop style fan like the shield portable, bu tthat would kill portability...

I want it. I want it. Goddamnit :D I hope my package arrives soon!

Glad to hear Procyon is also happy with it :)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: nielo360 on April 15, 2015, 03:28:30 pm
I used my device for nearly 2 hours straight last night, mostly emulators and some casual Android apps.  Battery went from 100% to 60% in that time.  Either Nielo360 has a particularly defective unit, or he is far more sensitive to the heat than I am.  I did notice that the unit gets warm, particularly behind the right side of the device, but in no way did it get to the point of discomfort or even distraction.  I only noticed it was warm when I stopped playing whatever I was playing.  I think (fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it) it's entirely subjective, and will only come down to trying it out and seeing if it's beyond your personal threshold.

So far, I'm extremely happy with the device, if for no other reason than purely as a replacement to my jxd 7800, which I constantly felt was fraught with problems.  The battery and power supply on the 7800 is a nightmare, and the buttons are loud and/or creaky.  The Q9 has none of that.  I thought I would care about the decrease in resolution, and I honestly couldn't even really tell the difference while playing games.  For some reason, I was convinced that going from an RK3188 to an RK3288 would be like going from a Core i3 to a Core i5, but it's really not.  But I didn't really buy the device to take specific advantage of an improved processor, so I can't complain.  All I know is that my 7800 better get used to being stuck in a drawer for a long time, or until I decide to sell it...

Edit: I would conclude that nielo's review is accurate for power android gamers, while my perspective is better for gamers more interested in old-school emulation and casual gaming.

I agree with your conclusion on the battery, Im not sure why its dropping that way, and GPD has done a great job with faces buttons and dpad as well. The heat is purely subjective, my comparison would come solely from the shield portable/gpd g7  where there was no heat or warmth to be felt. The much i5s did get pretty hot though.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 03:33:14 pm
The analogs are accurate as in if you push forward, you go forward, not left right? Because in that case, I luke nubs, and I want the thing to arrive. NOW :D

(Won't spam anymore. Just excited to see those games I bougth but couldn't play are gonna run at  60 fps :D)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: nielo360 on April 15, 2015, 03:47:15 pm
The analogs are accurate as in if you push forward, you go forward, not left right? Because in that case, I luke nubs, and I want the thing to arrive. NOW :D

(Won't spam anymore. Just excited to see those games I bougth but couldn't play are gonna run at  60 fps :D)

No problem at all, the analogs will work fine for all basic movement.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 04:01:52 pm
The analogs are accurate as in if you push forward, you go forward, not left right? Because in that case, I luke nubs, and I want the thing to arrive. NOW :D

(Won't spam anymore. Just excited to see those games I bougth but couldn't play are gonna run at  60 fps :D)

No problem at all, the analogs will work fine for all basic movement.

Great! Oh and a tip if you love the dpad so much more: the n64 had no real analog. It could only see 8 directions. So in mupen64, you can just map the dpad's 8 directions to analog stick for games like ocarina of time and super Mario 64. You can then use the awesome dpad instead of analog and lose absolutely nothing compared to a real n64 controller ;-)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: acid on April 15, 2015, 04:05:30 pm
The analogs are accurate as in if you push forward, you go forward, not left right? Because in that case, I luke nubs, and I want the thing to arrive. NOW :D

(Won't spam anymore. Just excited to see those games I bougth but couldn't play are gonna run at  60 fps :D)

No problem at all, the analogs will work fine for all basic movement.

Great! Oh and a tip if you love the dpad so much more: the n64 had no real analog. It could only see 8 directions. So in mupen64, you can just map the dpad's 8 directions to analog stick for games like ocarina of time and super Mario 64. You can then use the awesome dpad instead of analog and lose absolutely nothing compared to a real n64 controller ;-)


Uh I'm sure you're confused because the N64 did have real analog control. Meaning you could mechanically control walking speed and such. That could never translate to a d-pad.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: procyon on April 15, 2015, 04:19:00 pm
Great! Oh and a tip if you love the dpad so much more: the n64 had no real analog. It could only see 8 directions. So in mupen64, you can just map the dpad's 8 directions to analog stick for games like ocarina of time and super Mario 64. You can then use the awesome dpad instead of analog and lose absolutely nothing compared to a real n64 controller ;-)


Uh I'm sure you're confused because the N64 did have real analog control. Meaning you could mechanically control walking speed and such. That could never translate to a d-pad.

Yeah, where did you come up with that notion?  The N64 analog stick is truly analog.  The outer edges were simply notched so as to catch the stick in 8 different positions.  Presumably Nintendo did that to make the transition from digital to analog easier for players who were unaccustomed to a freer range of motion.  But the design that Nintendo used for the internals of the analog stick is pretty much unchanged even today in the DualShock 4 and Xbone controllers.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 15, 2015, 04:32:55 pm
Sorry, confused 'same number of directions' with 'same range of freedom'. Stupid me :-\

I will just be silent now for a bit and wait for my 7 inch of happiness to arrive XD

So I can finally play exiles  and modern combat 5 and run  asphalt 8 and all the other cool games at 60 fps....
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: procyon on April 15, 2015, 04:33:57 pm
I would recommend you also try DomiNations...  Not the same type of game, and nothing that will take advantage of the tablet specifically, but a really fun and addictive game none the less.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: stpat on April 15, 2015, 11:17:42 pm
To clarify, nielo360 and procyon, where did you guys order from? One of your units came with international firmware installed, the other did not, correct?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: midknight on April 16, 2015, 07:07:39 am
for the most part this sounds great i wonder how hard it would be to mod out the problem with this device like maybe glue the tops of the sliders so they don't spin and maybe making some sort of heat shield
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: nielo360 on April 16, 2015, 05:45:23 pm
I think iv figured out why the Q9 is heating up and loosing battery, it seems that after running a game or emu, the cpu gets stuck at 1.8ghz and doesnt clock down.

No frills cpu reports that with interactive mode cfq. Once a game is loaded the current cpu stays at 1.8ghz, in fact it skips 1.2ghz  1.4ghz  and just boosts to 1.8ghz for no reason. Im not sure if this is normal but if anyone has  more knowlege about this it could be helpful.

For now forcing the max clock to 1.2ghz helps and reduces heats greatly, (battery still drops and shuts down at 9% or 4%. Im open to any suggestions.

ppsspp runs pretty much the same at 1.2ghz (testing dragons aria)

EDIT: NOPE still gets hot, pretty hot :( (Played strangers Wrath at 1.2ghz 27mins)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: eragon2890 on April 16, 2015, 07:40:39 pm
I think iv figured out why the Q9 is heating up and loosing battery, it seems that after running a game or emu, the cpu gets stuck at 1.8ghz and doesnt clock down.

No frills cpu reports that with interactive mode cfq. Once a game is loaded the current cpu stays at 1.8ghz, in fact it skips 1.2ghz  1.4ghz  and just boosts to 1.8ghz for no reason. Im not sure if this is normal but if anyone has  more knowlege about this it could be helpful.

For now forcing the max clock to 1.2ghz helps and reduces heats greatly, (battery still drops and shuts down at 9% or 4%. Im open to any suggestions.

ppsspp runs pretty much the same at 1.2ghz (testing dragons aria)

EDIT: NOPE still gets hot, pretty hot :( (Played strangers Wrath at 1.2ghz 27mins)

That?s probably because during all the ton of gaming I did on the archos gamepad 2 (rk3188) it only got really hot when using the GPU. Strangers wrath obviously uses the GPU a lot. Clocking down the CPU isn?t going to help one bit for that :-/

I always had my gamepad 2 in performance governor, nice and snappy, and it still had couple of hours battery life, so perfectly usable, and didn?t get warm at all almost, untill you used to GPU. I assume it?s the same here (your post indicates so as well).  The mali - t764 is the fastest ARM GPU in existence on the planet right now, so it runs hot. It?s faster than some bit older laptop nvidia cards...

More importantly for me, I am guessing it did not show any instability after those 30 minutes right? No artifacts, no lag? Because I noticed, rk3188 devices get hot enough to BBQ on, especially if you also put the charger in while you are playing an intensive 3d game (try it, you can probably cook breakfast egg!) but they never seem to loose any stability whatsoever and even after a year of regularly doing that in hour-long sessions, it doesn?t show any sign of breaking down. Except for that pesky non-rotating-by-design analog stick, but that?s separate issue :)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
Post by: nielo360 on April 17, 2015, 02:24:56 am
I think iv figured out why the Q9 is heating up and loosing battery, it seems that after running a game or emu, the cpu gets stuck at 1.8ghz and doesnt clock down.

No frills cpu reports that with interactive mode cfq. Once a game is loaded the current cpu stays at 1.8ghz, in fact it skips 1.2ghz  1.4ghz  and just boosts to 1.8ghz for no reason. Im not sure if this is normal but if anyone has  more knowlege about this it could be helpful.

For now forcing the max clock to 1.2ghz helps and reduces heats greatly, (battery still drops and shuts down at 9% or 4%. Im open to any suggestions.

ppsspp runs pretty much the same at 1.2ghz (testing dragons aria)

EDIT: NOPE still gets hot, pretty hot :( (Played strangers Wrath at 1.2ghz 27mins)

That?s probably because during all the ton of gaming I did on the archos gamepad 2 (rk3188) it only got really hot when using the GPU. Strangers wrath obviously uses the GPU a lot. Clocking down the CPU isn?t going to help one bit for that :-/

I always had my gamepad 2 in performance governor, nice and snappy, and it still had couple of hours battery life, so perfectly usable, and didn?t get warm at all almost, untill you used to GPU. I assume it?s the same here (your post indicates so as well).  The mali - t764 is the fastest ARM GPU in existence on the planet right now, so it runs hot. It?s faster than some bit older laptop nvidia cards...

More importantly for me, I am guessing it did not show any instability after those 30 minutes right? No artifacts, no lag? Because I noticed, rk3188 devices get hot enough to BBQ on, especially if you also put the charger in while you are playing an intensive 3d game (try it, you can probably cook breakfast egg!) but they never seem to loose any stability whatsoever and even after a year of regularly doing that in hour-long sessions, it doesn?t show any sign of breaking down. Except for that pesky non-rotating-by-design analog stick, but that?s separate issue :)

All games including emulators use gpu to some degree. Sure it will not always get hot, but uncomfortably warm at times.  Youv mentioned the rk3188, and while I personally have never felt it get it hot (on gpf g7 overclocked) I think its all about design and placement of the chipset.. In my personal opinion a dedicated gaming device even if it gets hot/warm should never ever be felt by the end user since its a dedicated gaming system and not a phone (in phones its more acceptable) hence I judge them as that.

Its simply poor design decisions that create the problem, not the cpu or gpu as they are doing their job and staying stable. If placed properly on a gaming device the end user would barely notice this stuff.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests. Benchmarks Added!
Post by: nielo360 on April 17, 2015, 05:14:27 am
Added some bechmarks taken with antutu and gpu benchmark. In comparison to tegra 4 shield portable even @720p the gpu is quiet weak.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: Melquiades on April 17, 2015, 06:40:11 am
The benchmark does not really surprise, it shows a small increase compared to 3188 devices.

Anyway, what governor are you using? At what speed? Also, is it Antutu or Antutu X? May I assume the governor you are using for testing the Shield is the same?



Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 17, 2015, 08:11:59 am
that benchmark results are not normal at all. Perhaps something is wrong with your config or for some reason your CPU is not running full speed, because the results of CPU values are not whay they should in a RK3288 device /they have lower score than RK3188 so something is not working ok in your device). Willgoo run also a benchmark and got 35.000 which is the normal stuff for RK3288 devices.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 17, 2015, 09:14:54 am
that benchmark results are not normal at all. Perhaps something is wrong with your config or for some reason your CPU is not running full speed, because the results of CPU values are not whay they should in a RK3288 device /they have lower score than RK3188 so something is not working ok in your device). Willgoo run also a benchmark and got 35.000 which is the normal stuff for RK3288 devices.

Hmm I ran it twice let me try with performance mode on no frills cpu or force 1.8ghz and try.
OK there is a diffence now I will update it let me know if its on par with what is expected
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 17, 2015, 09:22:48 am
NoFrillsCPU has some issues with some kernels that have SELinux. I would try with setcpu or TricksterMOD after a fresh reboot (and with only 1 cpu app installed). But as I say, CPU values in Antutu in your benchmark are not normal, because they are lower than q89, and that cannot be....

As a reference, in CPU integer multithread you should get about 2600 points in Antutu at 1,8 ghz (which is really 1,6).

GPU values are pretty accurate though, since MAli 760 is pretty much like tegra 4 in GPU (and probably the mali 760 is a bit underclocked in this device too)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 17, 2015, 09:45:36 am
NoFrillsCPU has some issues with some kernels that have SELinux. I would try with setcpu or TricksterMOD after a fresh reboot (and with only 1 cpu app installed). But as I say, CPU values in Antutu in your benchmark are not normal, because they are lower than q89, and that cannot be....

As a reference, in CPU integer multithread you should get about 2600 points in Antutu at 1,8 ghz (which is really 1,6).

GPU values are pretty accurate though, since MAli 760 is pretty much like tegra 4 in GPU (and probably the mali 760 is a bit underclocked in this device too)

Updated the benchmarks GPU is still weaker than tegra 4 but thanks for letting me know hope we can see a legacy ROM for this as its gotten extremely hot after this bench
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 17, 2015, 09:58:33 am
I think your device is suffering some throttling or something because CPU values are still low for a rK3288. The GPU is OK, pretty much the same score than tegra 4. (in my phone Mali 760 is 14000 points though, so maybe is Rockchip implementation)

A legacy ROM woudn't make device run with less hot, but probably the contrary (because I would try to Overlcock it xD).

I don't think I make more firmwares in the future anyway (at least not for 7 inch devices because I don't like 7 inch)

Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 17, 2015, 10:59:13 am
I think your device is suffering some throttling or something because CPU values are still low for a rK3288. The GPU is OK, pretty much the same score than tegra 4. (in my phone Mali 760 is 14000 points though, so maybe is Rockchip implementation)

A legacy ROM woudn't make device run with less hot, but probably the contrary (because I would try to Overlcock it xD).

I don't think I make more firmwares in the future anyway (at least not for 7 inch devices because I don't like 7 inch)

You are right about throttleing, as this can be seen on strangers wrath however when it comes to benchmarking Icant think of a viable way to fix it.
I love the ocd kernerls of legacy rom xD however what I was wondering is if a future firmware could fix the cpu downclocking as it tends to stay stuck on 1.8  or ignores others frequencys while going up or down. Ideally it would clock  according to the power required.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 17, 2015, 11:08:33 am
Maybe is a bug with the firmware, I don't know. RK3288 kernels by default shouldn't be stuck at a CPU speed. Perhaps something is wrong with your unit, because other people doesn't seem to be having these issues, so I don't know. Try to check it with CPU-Z app and interactive, since you can see how the CPU behaves.

Perhaps you can try different firmware and don't use cpu apps to see how it behaves with that by default. At GPD pan baidu account there should be other firmwares I guess.

http://pan.baidu.com/share/home?uk=389368662#category/type=0
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 17, 2015, 12:24:02 pm
What is 'extremly hot' exaxctly? It's rather subjectieve. I believr the rk3288 unlike the rk3188 has a temperatutre sensor. Can you check how many degrees Celsius it is exactly after that benchmark? Then I can run same benchmark when I get mine (can't wait, wanna play mc5 and exiled!l  ) and we know if it's indeed just your device or not :-)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 17, 2015, 04:39:24 pm
What is 'extremly hot' exaxctly? It's rather subjectieve. I believr the rk3288 unlike the rk3188 has a temperatutre sensor. Can you check how many degrees Celsius it is exactly after that benchmark? Then I can run same benchmark when I get mine (can't wait, wanna play mc5 and exiled!l  ) and we know if it's indeed just your device or not :-)

The temp sensor shows nothing but 27c which is not much at all but the back after that last benchmark was as hot as the HTC one x, another user confirmed this but keep in mind this is only during bench not in normal use.
I will try another firmware to see if the clocks behave properly
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 18, 2015, 08:14:46 am
Some things that have helped:

Q9 1.7 firmware seems more stable battery wise (dont recommend using 1.8 firmware)
http://pan.baidu.com/share/home?uk=389368662#category/type=0

Use the built in cleam master app to delete all bloatware and junk, (and then remove clean master itself)

Battery calibration app is important after firmware upgrade (use once after charged to 100% from playstore)

Heat is manageable because the clocks seem a bit more stable.

(Set cpu profiles do not work with this device so far, that would be ideal)

hope this is useful for somebody.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 18, 2015, 09:02:40 am
Some things that have helped:

Q9 1.7 firmware seems more stable battery wise (dont recommend using 1.8 firmware)
http://pan.baidu.com/share/home?uk=389368662#category/type=0

Use the built in cleam master app to delete all bloatware and junk, (and then remove clean master itself)

Battery calibration app is important after firmware upgrade (use once after charged to 100% from playstore)

Heat is manageable because the clocks seem a bit more stable.

(Set cpu profiles do not work with this device so far, that would be ideal)

hope this is useful for somebody.

Apparently 1.8 also made one game not start up anymore. Thanks for the tips, I should get it wednesday, I will do these things before I start playing mc5 and Doom 3 :D

Oh and uh... did yours get with 1,7? If not how do I downgrade? I had the archos, so western, so no DIY required at all. I have experience with using gl tools and sd maid and that kind of apps, but not flashing firmware. And I don?t want to brick it. Also, I do not have any experience with kitkat, but people say that it keeps giving you notifications to install OTA updates every few hours and it?s really annoying. Does this do that if you keep it at 1.7 or can you just use it undisturbed?

And what?s the good 1.07 firmware? That links seems to have multiple, and the names are in Chinese...

Also, what apps exactly are safe to remove? :D
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 18, 2015, 10:25:55 am
Some things that have helped:

Q9 1.7 firmware seems more stable battery wise (dont recommend using 1.8 firmware)
http://pan.baidu.com/share/home?uk=389368662#category/type=0

Use the built in cleam master app to delete all bloatware and junk, (and then remove clean master itself)

Battery calibration app is important after firmware upgrade (use once after charged to 100% from playstore)

Heat is manageable because the clocks seem a bit more stable.

(Set cpu profiles do not work with this device so far, that would be ideal)

hope this is useful for somebody.

Apparently 1.8 also made one game not start up anymore. Thanks for the tips, I should get it wednesday, I will do these things before I start playing mc5 and Doom 3 :D

Oh and uh... did yours get with 1,7? If not how do I downgrade? I had the archos, so western, so no DIY required at all. I have experience with using gl tools and sd maid and that kind of apps, but not flashing firmware. And I don?t want to brick it. Also, I do not have any experience with kitkat, but people say that it keeps giving you notifications to install OTA updates every few hours and it?s really annoying. Does this do that if you keep it at 1.7 or can you just use it undisturbed?

And what?s the good 1.07 firmware? That links seems to have multiple, and the names are in Chinese...

Also, what apps exactly are safe to remove? :D

Mine was Chinese 1.8 i think, which I changed to 1.8 international.

Flashing is quiet simple download the 1.7 firmware (should be first 1.7 down the list in that link using google translate)

unzip the update.img in to the root of your sdcard and your device will automatically detect it and ask if you want to upgrade. I havent had any notifications, it will just ask you to delete the update.img once its done.

Most of the chinese stuff is all bloatware. Youll see it once you load up clean master (just uncheck superuser, googleplay es file xplorer etc since you will need those)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 18, 2015, 11:00:15 pm
Mucho Thankies!

BTW. I heard you can?t move apps to sd card anymore in KitKat? That would suck since I am going to play/install a lot of huge android fps/racing/action etc games on it, and altough 16 GB is not that bad, I would love the extra space to be able to have more installed at same time.

Offcourse I can keep my roms on 64 GB sd card since those are just files, but can you tell me if I can move games like gta vice city, dead trigger 2 and the like to sd card still? I read some devices do support it...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 19, 2015, 01:31:13 am
Gpd gives you the option to swap storage to sdcard its not an issue
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 19, 2015, 07:05:57 pm
Oh and stupid question maybe, but where can you see which firmware version you have? I should have the international one (bought from geekbuying), I don?t want to install it if not neccesary :)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: Melquiades on April 21, 2015, 07:25:16 am
Hi,
I also received mine yesterday, but was only able to test it for an hour or a little more. Here is my attemp at a review. Unfortunately, my opinion is not as positive as eragon2890's. Just note that this is just a first impression, and that I hope it will change for the better.

Since I am very familiar with the S7800B and other 3188 devices, I will try to compare and to highlight the strong points of each one:

Points for the Q9:
-   The DPAD is really that good. Take the console and feel like you have been using it for years. The DPAD of the S7800B is also very very good, but this one really shines.
-   The wifi is very good.
-   The battery seems to be very good. An hour of intensive gaming, opening and closing many games, and then some time with the screen off downloading and installing many apps (some of them very heavy) took it from 86% to 52%, and this was with the factory charge. I don?t even want to think how would the battery of the S7800B be after something like this.
-   Firmware seems to be OK, allowing SWAP and other options that manufacturers don?t usually bother with.
-   Android gaming performance is much better. 3D heavy games run much smoother (Real Racing 3 and such), and games with plenty of loading times load much faster (Banner Saga).
-   The device allows USB charging. No more fire hazards 

Points for the S7800B:
- The device feels cheap, although it costed me 139 bucks. It feels light and fragile. The S7800B feels more ?premium? or well made. Anybody picks the S7800B and says "Wow!", I am afraid this won?t be the case with the Q9. Note that I am talking here about the looks, not about the real build quality.
- The screen may be IPS, but it has nothing to do with normal IPS. Viewing angles and display brightness are much lower. Resolution is OK, but pixels and jaggies are very noticeable. At first I thought the screen had two dead pixels, but on a closer look it looks like it has some kind of crappy particles under the screen. Also, the screen seem to lack the protection layer that most screens come with, therefore the touch is strange and the surface more vulnerable to scratches or simple wear and tear. Here the S7800B has a clear win.
 - Button quality is a mixed bag. Most of them are OK. But R2/L2, START, SELECT and the VOLUME are naggingly clicky and don?t feel very reliable (on the other hand they won?t see much use). Besides, I cannot confirm this, but I tried to do the Akuma teleportation move and it was impossible, even though I can usually do this with any device without effort. I will download a gamepad tester today to check if there are button overlapping problems.
- The analogs are bad. The worst I have ever seen, to the point of being useless. Even my car?s rearview mirrors joystick is better. It is hard to believe this comes from the same people as the G5A or G7. This console is intended mainly for retro emulation, but? this is too much. Even my old S5110 or S603 had much better analogs? and they were fake, just digital joysticks linked to the DPAD. Whoever designed this should clearly do something else. In my opinion, the analogs of the S5800, while protruding a little more, offer much better responsiveness. Terrible, by comparison, the shitty S7800 nubs are state-of-the-art.
- As mentioned the DPAD is very precise, but I am very skeptical about its realiability. This is falsely advertised as a SATURN dpad and it is NOT. The dpad is attached to a stem that pivots under your movement. Every time you press the dpad, it touches the console case, creating tension in between the stem and the DPAD. Now, we are talking about a cheap thin plastic piece subject to wear and tear. It would probably be unfair to expect this to last as much as the two twenty year old SATURN controllers I have. But I wouldn?t push my luck playing MARVEL VS CAPCOM or any other over the top hadoken-friendly game. That been said, this was my main intention with the device.
- As mentioned by eragon2890, the dpad wobbles in its position a little. I think there is like 1 mm margin where the dpad is "loose". I think and hope it won't cause major problems, but it certainly does not add up to the overall impression.
I am aware that only one user reported a broken DPAD for a Q88 in this forum, so maybe this is only my impression, but I feel I had to say it.
- Google Play compatibility should be better. Hopefully this will be solved soon via firmware update or custom roms, but games like KOTOR or LIMBO cannot be installed.


So, the bottom line is... that I cannot fully recommend the console. Not to everybody, and certainly not as a main gaming device where you can play a bit of everything. This is not to say that this is not a good console. Neither I say go and buy a S7800B. It is too late for that and the price of the S7800B is too high for what it offers today. Heck, it is even more expensive than the Q9. Also, it comes packed with its own sets of problems (mainly related to the firmware/roms and battery duration).

There are plenty of options in 7?, but none perfect:
-   If you want to use the console for casual android gaming, don't get a console, get a cheap tablet with a good screen.
-   For emulation of modern systems, or gamepad compatible android games I would recommend the G7. Just mind that the DPAD is terrible, as bad as the analogs here. My guess is that GPD had two developers designing dpad and analogs, and they rotate positions after every project. One is Leonardo da Vinci and the other Jerry Lewis.
-   For retro gaming, I would recommend the Q89. It is cheaper, it is supported by Skelton and you will hardly notice any difference with emulators.
- If you want maximum performance for heavy 3D games, this is your console. Power-wise it is like Schwarzenegger in the early eighties. However, for certain genres, prepare to deal with the worst analogs ever.

If you don?t mind going to other sizes, there are plenty of options, the G5A has excellent analogs and performance (although the DPAD is awful), and the S5800 is an excellent all-round even if it is a bit underpowered by today?s standards. A Dingoo 380, if you can get one, is probably the best option even today for retro gaming. Mind that these consoles are cheap devices made by small companies and sold by disreputable stores. They are fantastic, just don?t expect  "Apple quality" (well, yes, you can expect that for a dingoo; BTW, I don't like Apple, there is something about them that gets on my nerves, I use the catchphrase but strongly disagree with it).
If you want better quality and really don?t care about being a real handheld, get a dual boot tablet with Bluetooth and a good pad. That is the best option if you want a primary gaming device and don?t commute. Sacrifice portability but get the best of two worlds. None of this handhelds reach the performance of the Baytrail chipset or the quality of a retina display, or the build quality of Teclast tablets. Needless to say, the ability to plug ANY USB or bluetooth pad makes impossible for handhelds to hold on (whatever you want to play, you can play it with the most suitable controller). A telescopic gamepad can be used to build a Frankenstein console, to perfect results,  although it can be embarrashing to use it in the train, or a NES30 when you are home... the possibilities are endless, but of course then we are not talking about a handheld anymore...

Anyway, if only GPD released a console with the G7 or, even better, the G5A design and this 3288 chipset and this console's DPAD, they would strike gold for once and for all. Even with their systemic quality problems, they seem to be the only company fully devoted to Android Handhelds, and the only one opened to experimentation and new ideas with form factors. They deserve some success, but I think they should listen to their users when they say that DPADs as the ones in the G7/G5A or analogs as the ones in the Q88/Q89/Q9 are not acceptable. It does not matter if they save $4 with a part if they render useless a complete device and screw their reputation, it is not worth it.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 21, 2015, 09:12:31 am
To install apps that doesn't show up in google play you can try Market helper. Perhaps it helps

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146216
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: Melquiades on April 21, 2015, 09:22:14 am
Thanks Skelton, I will try it tonight. I have waited to play KOTOR until I get my hands on a console powerful enough to play it with maximum settings :)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 09:22:30 am
Forget about KOTOR, it didn?t work on the archos either, or well it worked but not via the play store. The devs have a list on their site with some premium brand devices, and they actively exlclude all other devices from compatibility. Sideload it, it will work. But dues ex the fall which was ?not compatible? with the archos gamepad 2 shows up on this device, adn I don?t have any issues the other way around, so I am satisfied. Seems like the compatibility mess is more a general android problem. Plus it comes with aptoide, maybe it?s in there?

The d-pad... I have to say I played some retro games on it for some time.. contra and megaman x mostly, and even quite some levels (and also 10 races of asphalt 8) it doesn?t wobble anymore then before. And even the one that broke was apparently after 2 months of?very intensive gaming? . So maybe it?s a case of looks-shit-is-sturdy but I wouldn?t be surprised it if jumped off tomorrow either ...

The analog sticks are basically fine and accurate, but the right one kept being stuck .But first it happened all the time. Now it happens once every 10 minutes. It will probably happen less. First game I played was mc 5 and it was unplayable because of right stick. But I just played quake 2 and dead trigger 2 for almost two hours and blazed trough them. They get better.

Only thing that would be nice if they wouldn?t be so damn stiff to move around. Chirst. I love the PSP  nub, but the difference is that is easy to move around. These things.. aren?t. I think this will improve naturally , otherwise there was someone on the forum who had a tip which could help I believe. Would be huge improvement. It?s moslty the right stick tough, and I just played implossion never lose hope and it still was a joy to play! (has native controller support, free demo, 1 time IAP for full game, from rayark, check it out on play store!)

Finally, I can say that the device barely heats up, even in the charager with deus ex the fall being played. I don?t get any ache from holding it and battery life is indeed good - after 2.5 hours of intensive 3d gaming at max brightness it had used 50% of battery. So taht means like 7 - 10 hours of mixed media usage, probably. and the firmware is rock-stable: had not had a single crash or as much as a milisecond of lag. Plus swapping storage really helps for the amount of games you an install (currently have asphalt 8, dead trigger 2, implossion never lose hope, nova 3, deus ex the fall and modern combat 5 on there and still have 1.5 GB of internal storage free in that partition plus almost 2.5 GB in the other one).

Finally, the happy chick app works wonders! Say you want to play a mario game, you open it up, search for (or select, seeing how it?s popular so at the top, but they?re over 10.000 games on there including less well known ones) mario, select the game you want, click ?download? and literally in less than a second the built in emulator is readdy to play super mario world or whatever else you selected. It?s absolutely amazingly awesome :) It even does suggestions I believe, and has favorite lists and everything. :)

As long as the d-pad holds up (it is great to use, the wobbling does help for that...) and the analog sticks slide easier (MUCH easier!) I am really really happy with it :)

I am gonna try and find that tip on how to make the analogs less stiff. I want them to move like the one on the 3ds, the psp, the archos gamepad 2. Not like a 10-ton boulder turtle on a slow day super-glued to the asphalt...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 09:22:59 am
double post.


I keep clicking the damn quote button instead of edit... can?t those to be swapped ??? XD
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 09:23:11 am
double post...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: Melquiades on April 21, 2015, 09:31:08 am
The issue with KOTOR I think it is just a problem of _Google Play recognition of the device. I was able to install it directly from the store and to play it wihout major issues in the S7800B, the G5A and the S5800. But framerate was too choppy for my taste (specially in the first two) and I decided to wait. I would be very surprised if a sideloaded APK didn't work with the Q9.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 09:34:29 am
The issue with KOTOR I think it is just a problem of _Google Play recognition of the device. I was able to install it directly from the store and to play it wihout major issues in the S7800B, the G5A and the S5800. But framerate was too choppy for my taste (specially in the first two) and I decided to wait. I would be very surprised if a sideloaded APK didn't work with the Q9.

aw , I assumed it was the devs because they have a list on the site and it didn?t work on the archos gamepad 2 (also a rockchip device) which was not on the list. I stand corrected then. :D Now to make those analog sticks glide nice and easy...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: Melquiades on April 21, 2015, 09:46:30 am
The issue with KOTOR I think it is just a problem of _Google Play recognition of the device. I was able to install it directly from the store and to play it wihout major issues in the S7800B, the G5A and the S5800. But framerate was too choppy for my taste (specially in the first two) and I decided to wait. I would be very surprised if a sideloaded APK didn't work with the Q9.

aw , I assumed it was the devs because they have a list on the site and it didn?t work on the archos gamepad 2 (also a rockchip device) which was not on the list. I stand corrected then. :D Now to make those analog sticks glide nice and easy...

Eragon2890, my personal advice is: do not open the console to "fix" anything that is not really broken. Some mods may be dead simple, but the results vary from devices and there is always the risk of breaking something. And in any case I would never perform "experiments". There is probably a reason if nobody has come with a good mod for the Q88 analogs in the last year and a half... and after one hour of testing I take it many have tried it.

I have learnt it the hard way with my G5A. Not only I was unable to improve the DPAD no matter what I tried, but I accidentally broke the cable of the right speaker, one of the screws broke its hole into pieces and the case's juncture looks like shit after opening it several times. If I hadn't opened it, I would have sold it, now I feel I would get bad karma if I did so, bad karma or only $20.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 10:08:08 am
Thanx for the tip! Have to say playing nova 3 now, great frame rate, and much better by itself. Not (big) problem anymore :)

but which moron decided that in dues ex the fall, and in nova 3, it?s a good idea to have an fps where you can not rotate the camera fully?? you don't have an onscreen analog stick for the camera only for the movement. So when you push analog sitck right it works exactly as it should (camera rotates) but only a bit then stops moving even if yu keep pressing right. Terrible game design. (Also happens with touchscreen, not a console issue).

Anyway, the sticks work properly now. STill a bit stiff, but better than first and should get even looser quickly...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 10:13:10 am
Never mind, I found nova 3 option to use analog stick for camera I have too say. I can play it perfectly. I am blazing trouhg the levels. It?s a joy now that the sticks move more easily. The mapper is very adequate. Do you know how I can make a gameplay video of nova 3 to brag about my new handheld and to show you that the sticks will get easier to the point you can play good with them? :)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 10:36:17 am
My dpad has no wobble from what I have experienced, the battery life is quiet good with 1.7 firmware as well and heating is much less compared to before as the clocks are changing properly. That being said heavy 3d games for too long definitely make it uncomfortable to hold. I'm constantly having to adjust the way I hold it when Im playing using the analog nubs which as mentioned are quiet bad.

Gamestreaming works fine with 1.7 (i dont know why).  Tincore can add l3 r3 on touch so its a non issue.

I played about 31 mins or gamestreaming ppssspp to the q9, there was no heat as the cpu and gpu were not taxed. All in all the gpu is fairly weak compared to the tegra 4 from what I can tell, hence my iplay will replace the q9/note 7/shield portable/g7 as the goto gaming device unless it feels bad.

the screen color is fixable if someone knows how to port Cm12/color settings to make the screen vivid.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 10:44:41 am
My dpad has no wobble from what I have experienced, the battery life is quiet good with 1.7 firmware as well heating is much less compared to before as the clocks are changing properly. That being said heavy 3d games for too long definitely make it uncomfortable to hold. I'm constantly having to adjust the way I hold it when Im playing using the analog nubs which as mentioned are quiet bad.

Gamestreaming works fine with 1.7 (i dont know why).  Tincore can add l3 r3 on touch so its a non issue.

I played about 31 mins or gamestreaming ppssspp to the q9, there was no heat as the cpu and gpu were not taxed. All in all the gpu is fairly weak compared to the tegra 4 from what I can tell, hence my iplay will replace the q9/note 7/shield portable/g7 as the goto gaming device unless it feels bad.

Weak compared to the tegra 4?? It really should not be, also my antutu score is over 37000. With a 3d game component of over 13000, which is the only reason it gets such a high score (not much below tegra k1 devices!) because the CPU is mid-range. It?s the GPU pulling it up! Compare that to a tegra k 1 (!!!) powered full hd device which got only 10000 and I don?t think so. The resolution helps but in the end the game performance on this device is great. Also, I can play nova 3, modern combat 5 asphalt 8, dead trigger 2, deus ex and never lose hope (the super-intensive 3d games I tried so far)  at highest settings at what appears to be constant 60 fps. Butter smooth anyway.

Sorry, but it?s impossible for a mali t-760 to be weaker than a tegra 4. It simply can?t be. The only way games/benchmarks can run slower is if they are optimized for tegra 4 (most likely) or your device is somehow broken, which would also explain your 25.000 score in antutu, 12.000 lower than mine.

I know it?s the mp4 version, but at 600 mhz it has 80+ gigaflops, just like the tegra 4, but with way more (modern) features, and some other nice things like supporting MSAA on-chip (don?t know if tegra 4 does that) which means you can go to developer options and enable 4x msaa in 3d games with no performance loss.

?Maybe', altough unlikely, it's as fast as the tegra 4 in the shield. In all likelyhood, it blows it out of the water. It?s definitely enough to play anything android can throw at it with ease. :)

The sticks... well they are loosened up now, and I have to reposition fingers only rarely, get used pretty quickly. I like their placement ; this is one of the few devices where I can reach the shoulder buttons from both the d-pad and teh sticks! :D

Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 10:54:18 am
My dpad has no wobble from what I have experienced, the battery life is quiet good with 1.7 firmware as well heating is much less compared to before as the clocks are changing properly. That being said heavy 3d games for too long definitely make it uncomfortable to hold. I'm constantly having to adjust the way I hold it when Im playing using the analog nubs which as mentioned are quiet bad.

Gamestreaming works fine with 1.7 (i dont know why).  Tincore can add l3 r3 on touch so its a non issue.

I played about 31 mins or gamestreaming ppssspp to the q9, there was no heat as the cpu and gpu were not taxed. All in all the gpu is fairly weak compared to the tegra 4 from what I can tell, hence my iplay will replace the q9/note 7/shield portable/g7 as the goto gaming device unless it feels bad.

Weak compared to the tegra 4?? It really should not be, also my antutu score is over 37000. With a 3d game component of over 13000, which is the only reason it gets such a high score (not much below tegra k1 devices!) because the CPU is mid-range. It?s the GPU pulling it up! Compare that to a tegra k 1 (!!!) powered full hd device which got only 10000 and I don?t think so. The resolution helps but in the end the game performance on this device is great. Also, I can play nova 3, modern combat 5 asphalt 8, dead trigger 2, deus ex and never lose hope (the super-intensive 3d games I tried so far)  at highest settings at what appears to be constant 60 fps. Butter smooth anyway.

Sorry, but it?s impossible for a mali t-760 to be weaker than a tegra 4. It simply can?t be. The only way games/benchmarks can run slower is if they are optimized for tegra 4 (most likely) or your device is somehow broken, which would also explain your 25.000 score in antutu, 12.000 lower than mine.

I know it?s the mp4 version, but at 600 mhz it has 80+ gigaflops, just like the tegra 4, but with way more (modern) features, and some other nice things like supporting MSAA on-chip (don?t know if tegra 4 does that) which means you can go to developer options and enable 4x msaa in 3d games with no performance loss.

?Maybe', altough unlikely, it's as fast as the tegra 4 in the shield. In all likelyhood, it blows it out of the water. It?s definitely enough to play anything android can throw at it with ease. :)

The sticks... well they are loosened up now, and I have to reposition fingers only rarely, get used pretty quickly. I like their placement ; this is one of the few devices where I can reach the shoulder buttons from both the d-pad and teh sticks! :D

there is no way that mali T760 is stronger  than a tegra 4. Even my note 4 outperforms it. Unless im gravely mistaken.  Also you are looking at cpu benchmarks which are close to the tegra note but dont beat them, the 3d bench is what you should look at which is mere 1300 at 1024x600.. compared to 1600+ at 1280x800.

The mali t7 series is 2013 chip varriation meant for budget devices.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: Melquiades on April 21, 2015, 10:59:41 am
I am not familiar with the Tegra 4. But we are talking about chipsets that belong to almost different "generations". There must be something wrong with your device, maybe they forgot to put the heat sink or something. Regarding the performance and the Antutu scores, are you sure they did not send you a Q88? The box, even the instructions are the same. The only difference a small sticker, handwritten in pencil with a small Q9 on one of the sides of the box.

I am not saying the GPU is comparable to the TITAN, but this is much more powerful than the Ouya I believe.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 11:01:27 am
I can?t any benchmarks goddamn  XD

But lookie here for a good indication: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pF4G2k6NEk

It doesn?t lag that much behind, but that is a t-628. so it?s a last-gen mid-range mali. The t-760 is their most current most high end super gpu. And the screen resolution on this thing is lower.

But budget devices? Wut? The 760 is the strongest GPU arm has on the market!

for more proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UjjB0ekeQ That a 1440p device runnning trough all those gmaes like nothing, and it?s a mali-760 :D
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 11:02:42 am


I am not familiar with the Tegra 4. But we are talking about chipsets that belong to almost different "generations". There must be something wrong with your device, maybe they forgot to put the heat sink or something. Regarding the performance and the Antutu scores, are you sure they did not send you a Q88? The box, even the instructions are the same. The only difference a small sticker, handwritten in pencil with a small Q9 on one of the sides of the box.

haha no the spec are listed there is nothing wrong you may check with your own scores with posted tegra 4 gpu scores its impossible for a mali t7 series to come even close, thats just simple spec wise, however this has little to do with emulation as the cpu is sort of on par with a note. The mali t7 is pretty old in comparison to the tegra 4
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 11:04:05 am
I can?t any benchmarks goddamn  XD

But lookie here for a good indication: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pF4G2k6NEk

It doesn?t lag that much behind, but that is a t-628. so it?s a last-gen mid-range mali. The t-760 is their most current most high end super gpu. And the screen resolution on this thing is lower.

But budget devices? Wut? The 760 is the strongest GPU arm has on the market!

for more proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UjjB0ekeQ That a 1440p device runnning trough all those gmaes like nothing, and it?s a mali-760 :D
:) i think your misunderstanding me, i dint say its not strong, I said its not even close to a tegra 4.  Its just to clarify in terms of power.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 21, 2015, 11:05:17 am
My TVBOX RK3288 has an option to calibrate color, hue, saturation, contrast, etc.. But perhaps is only available in RK3288 SDK for boxes and not in the SDK for tablets.

About GPU performance, they should be quite on par both the mali and the tegra 4. However, probably the mali will be better in the future when games or emulators start taking advantage of openGL 3.0, which is not present in tegra 4.
Anyhow, if games run smooth, that should be enough, considering the price of RK3288 devices. Of course there are better SoC and devices, but at a higher price. Android games are pretty poor even running at 60 fps....

Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 11:06:22 am
No. It?s not even close to a tegra k1. That?s true. you?re confusing k1 and 4. The 4 is also from 2013 when the shield came out, actually a few months older.

It?s *IS* faster than the 4. It?s slower than the k1. But that k1 is usually in >1080p devices so the performance on this handheld in games is comparable if not faster anyway, but that is not due the strength of the GPU.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 11:08:40 am
My TVBOX RK3288 has an option to calibrate color, hue, saturation, contrast, etc.. But perhaps is only available in RK3288 SDK for boxes and not in the SDK for tablets.

About GPU performance, they should be quite on par both the mali and the tegra 4. However, probably the mali will be better in the future when games or emulators start taking advantage of openGL 3.0, which is not present in tegra 4.
Anyhow, if games run smooth, that should be enough, considering the price of RK3288 devices. Of course there are better SoC and devices, but at a higher price. Android games are pretty poor even running at 60 fps....

Thats awesome, I have no knowledge on how porting that stuff works but its interesting none the less as it could solve the color issues.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 11:09:25 am
No. It?s not even close to a tegra k1. That?s true. you?re confusing k1 and 4. The 4 is also from 2013 when the shield came out, actually a few months older.

It?s *IS* faster than the 4. It?s slower than the k1. But that k1 is usually in >1080p devices so the performance on this handheld in games is comparable if not faster anyway, but that is not due the strength of the GPU.

Its not possible, you can check the scores yourself with any website. Spec wise Core wise. I have both the k1 and tegra 4 note. Althought Id love it if the scores on any benchmark at same resoultion beat the teg 4
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 21, 2015, 11:13:49 am
My TVBOX RK3288 has an option to calibrate color, hue, saturation, contrast, etc.. But perhaps is only available in RK3288 SDK for boxes and not in the SDK for tablets.

About GPU performance, they should be quite on par both the mali and the tegra 4. However, probably the mali will be better in the future when games or emulators start taking advantage of openGL 3.0, which is not present in tegra 4.
Anyhow, if games run smooth, that should be enough, considering the price of RK3288 devices. Of course there are better SoC and devices, but at a higher price. Android games are pretty poor even running at 60 fps....

Thats awesome, I have no knowledge on how porting that stuff works but its interesting none the less as it could solve the color issues.

Unless Rockchip add it to tablets SDK, I don't think it's easy to port it. Have in mind than in tvboxes is probably made via kernel HDMI controller, whereas tablets have an screen so perhaps something is different. But I don't know, I have no access to Rockchip 3288 SDK for tablets, just for tvboxes.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 11:20:53 am
My TVBOX RK3288 has an option to calibrate color, hue, saturation, contrast, etc.. But perhaps is only available in RK3288 SDK for boxes and not in the SDK for tablets.

About GPU performance, they should be quite on par both the mali and the tegra 4. However, probably the mali will be better in the future when games or emulators start taking advantage of openGL 3.0, which is not present in tegra 4.
Anyhow, if games run smooth, that should be enough, considering the price of RK3288 devices. Of course there are better SoC and devices, but at a higher price. Android games are pretty poor even running at 60 fps....

Thats awesome, I have no knowledge on how porting that stuff works but its interesting none the less as it could solve the color issues.

Unless Rockchip add it to tablets SDK, I don't think it's easy to port it. Have in mind than in tvboxes is probably made via kernel HDMI controller, whereas tablets have an screen so perhaps something is different. But I don't know, I have no access to Rockchip 3288 SDK for tablets, just for tvboxes.

Are you Ocing your tv box? would be cool to see what speeds it can achieve.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 11:22:34 am
No. It?s not even close to a tegra k1. That?s true. you?re confusing k1 and 4. The 4 is also from 2013 when the shield came out, actually a few months older.

It?s *IS* faster than the 4. It?s slower than the k1. But that k1 is usually in >1080p devices so the performance on this handheld in games is comparable if not faster anyway, but that is not due the strength of the GPU.

Its not possible, you can check the scores yourself with any website. Spec wise Core wise. I have both the k1 and tegra 4 note. Althought Id love it if the scores on any benchmark at same resoultion beat the teg 4

Allright, let?s take ice storm as an example. See the score for unlimited (the heaviest benchmark) at 10:16 in this video ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjsRjjTw5Yg That?s on  a full hd device.

Now see the score for the shield in ice storm unlimited here (it?s a 720 p device)... oh wait we don?t have too. Look here is the extreme benchmark (which is easier) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtDbu2zTWJQ It has half hte score on the lower end version of the bencharm than the rk3288 does on the higher end version. At half the screen resolution. Q.E.D.

(And yes I can see in the pipo review that the extreme version is lower , but as teh reviewer mentions that is really strange and shouldn?t happend. They *always* get lower going fromt eh weakest benchmark of the three to the strongest.).

If this isn?t very definite proof, I don?t know what is.

Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 11:27:18 am
No. It?s not even close to a tegra k1. That?s true. you?re confusing k1 and 4. The 4 is also from 2013 when the shield came out, actually a few months older.

It?s *IS* faster than the 4. It?s slower than the k1. But that k1 is usually in >1080p devices so the performance on this handheld in games is comparable if not faster anyway, but that is not due the strength of the GPU.

Its not possible, you can check the scores yourself with any website. Spec wise Core wise. I have both the k1 and tegra 4 note. Althought Id love it if the scores on any benchmark at same resoultion beat the teg 4

Allright, let?s take ice storm as an example. See the score for unlimited (the heaviest benchmark) at 10:16 in this video ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjsRjjTw5Yg That?s on  a full hd device.

Now see the score for the shield in ice storm unlimited here (it?s a 720 p device)... oh wait we don?t have too. Look here is the extreme benchmark (which is easier) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtDbu2zTWJQ It has half hte score on the lower end version of the bencharm than the rk3288 does on the higher end version. At half the screen resolution. Q.E.D.

(And yes I can see in the pipo review that the extreme version is lower , but as teh reviewer mentions that is really strange and shouldn?t happend. They *always* get lower going fromt eh weakest benchmark of the three to the strongest.).

If this isn?t very definite proof, I don?t know what is.

You can see his gpu test scores clearly. the tegra 4 scores higher fps in all tests. Thats the point im making:)
in his video see Graphic test 1 & 2 both are lower than the shield.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 21, 2015, 11:45:59 am
My TVBOX RK3288 has an option to calibrate color, hue, saturation, contrast, etc.. But perhaps is only available in RK3288 SDK for boxes and not in the SDK for tablets.

About GPU performance, they should be quite on par both the mali and the tegra 4. However, probably the mali will be better in the future when games or emulators start taking advantage of openGL 3.0, which is not present in tegra 4.
Anyhow, if games run smooth, that should be enough, considering the price of RK3288 devices. Of course there are better SoC and devices, but at a higher price. Android games are pretty poor even running at 60 fps....

Thats awesome, I have no knowledge on how porting that stuff works but its interesting none the less as it could solve the color issues.

Unless Rockchip add it to tablets SDK, I don't think it's easy to port it. Have in mind than in tvboxes is probably made via kernel HDMI controller, whereas tablets have an screen so perhaps something is different. But I don't know, I have no access to Rockchip 3288 SDK for tablets, just for tvboxes.

Are you Ocing your tv box? would be cool to see what speeds it can achieve.

I have overclocked until 2.0 ghz, Mali until 625 mhz and DDR 800. But have in mind my tvbox have a heatsink, and is always connected to AC, so I don't think that can be done in a tablet in a stable way.. Perhaps true 1,8 ghz can be possible (and not 1,6 ghz which is the true default speed of RK3288), but more than that I don't think is possible. You won't notice much difference except a bit better benchmarks anyway.

Anyone can try it though, though I don't know if this patching method is only for boxes or is suitable for tablets:

http://freaktab.com/forum/tv-player-support/rk3288-devices/25031-overclockmatic_rk3288-v1-0-6
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 11:51:53 am
Ill try it, But i dont understand "true 1.8ghz" Antutu and other benchies report the operating frequency as 1.8, shows the same on set cpu as well. What am I missing?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 21, 2015, 11:58:30 am
It shows at 1,8 ghz because kernel just read the freq table. But RK3288 have by default a Default Safety Freq flag that limits device to 1,6 ghz, no matter if kernel shows 1,8 ghz or not.

Take a look at this post and you will understand:

http://echoasts.blogspot.com.es/2015/01/so-here-is-my-quick-and-dirty-guide-as.html

In order to get true 1,8 ghz the Default safety freq must be removed or just increased to something like 2100 *6/7, which is 1800 mhz.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 12:19:41 pm
It shows at 1,8 ghz because kernel just read the freq table. But RK3288 have by default a Default Safety Freq flag that limits device to 1,6 ghz, no matter if kernel shows 1,8 ghz or not.

Take a look at this post and you will understand:

http://echoasts.blogspot.com.es/2015/01/so-here-is-my-quick-and-dirty-guide-as.html

In order to get true 1,8 ghz the Default safety freq must be removed or just increased to something like 2100 *6/7, which is 1800 mhz.

intresting, so the safe value needs to be removed to reach true 1.8.

Which option do i pick here?
a) 5 if kernel in your firmware is separeted from boot.img (i.e. type: /data/overclockmatic_RK3288.elf 5)
b) 1 - otherwise (i.e. type: /data/overclockmatic_RK3288.elf 1)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 21, 2015, 12:21:17 pm
Most probably option 1, since most stock firmware don't have kernel separated from boot.img. No idea if kernels from tablets can be patched using that method though, since it's made for tvboxes.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 12:39:28 pm
Most probably option 1, since most stock firmware don't have kernel separated from boot.img. No idea if kernels from tablets can be patched using that method though, since it's made for tvboxes.

Sorry for the noob questions, I have 0 expreince with terminal but I have used a bit of msdos back in the day now Iv got all the files in the correct places my question is

Before these steps:
7. Change directory to /data/: cd /data
8. Execute this program with only one parameter:
a) 5 if kernel in your firmware is separeted from boot.img (i.e. type: /data/overclockmatic_RK3288.elf 5)
b) 1 - otherwise (i.e. type: /data/overclockmatic_RK3288.elf 1)

i need to execute the code in the beginning first rite? which is :
246|[email protected]:/mnt/external_sd/Download # ./overclockmatic_RK3288.elf
Usage:
./overclockmatic_RK3288.elf: mode [file_name]
where: mode = 1 - read boot; 2 - read resource; 3 - read kernel; 5 - read resource and kernel
default file_name: mode = 1 - /dev/block/mtd/by-name/boot
                                 mode = 2 & 5 - /dev/block/mtd/by-name/resource
                                 mode = 3 & 5 - /dev/block/mtd/by-name/kernel
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 21, 2015, 12:41:02 pm
My guess is that you should run it this way:

./overclockmatic_RK3288.elf 1

But I have never used it myself this method. For my tvbox I just used source code.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 12:49:59 pm
My guess is that you should run it this way:

./overclockmatic_RK3288.elf 1

But I have never used it myself this method. For my tvbox I just used source code.

Im not able to get past this
(http://i59.tinypic.com/314f66v.png)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 21, 2015, 12:55:10 pm
Then probably that method doesn't work with kernels from tablets. Something must be different in tablets I guess, but I don't know. Perhaps you can comment to the maker of that script.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 01:43:15 pm
Wait, a day ago you were complaining it gets 'very very hot' and now you say 'hte heat is much much better because clocks are stable in the new firmware'  and the first thing you want to do is overclock it? :-/ Pas de comprendro~

Also... I don't know about yours, but mine is blazingly fast in games and out of them. Webpages load in a second or less, installing updates doesn't make it slower, every app or program opens instantly, even switching to and from super heavy games like nova 3 and asphalt 8 costs basically no time. What's the use of overclocking this monster? :-/
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 21, 2015, 02:26:28 pm
Wait, a day ago you were complaining it gets 'very very hot' and now you say 'hte heat is much much better because clocks are stable in the new firmware'  and the first thing you want to do is overclock it? :-/ Pas de comprendro~

Also... I don't know about yours, but mine is blazingly fast in games and out of them. Webpages load in a second or less, installing updates doesn't make it slower, every app or program opens instantly, even switching to and from super heavy games like nova 3 and asphalt 8 costs basically no time. What's the use of overclocking this monster? :-/

Im not doing this for review, this is for my own personal interest:) I reviewed the device stock for users so it would help someone and I did not complain I critiqued it. What I do personally with the device is not going to help anyone so ideally it doesnt matter if its hot or not if I enjoy experimenting. The best that can happen is that i would learn something new.
I never experiment on device that I actually use which currently is gpd g7
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 21, 2015, 10:59:00 pm
No. It?s not even close to a tegra k1. That?s true. you?re confusing k1 and 4. The 4 is also from 2013 when the shield came out, actually a few months older.

It?s *IS* faster than the 4. It?s slower than the k1. But that k1 is usually in >1080p devices so the performance on this handheld in games is comparable if not faster anyway, but that is not due the strength of the GPU.

Its not possible, you can check the scores yourself with any website. Spec wise Core wise. I have both the k1 and tegra 4 note. Althought Id love it if the scores on any benchmark at same resoultion beat the teg 4

Lookie here, more benchmarks! http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-Tegra-4.87161.0.html

That?s a reputable site, and granted, they don?t say it?s slower then a t-760, they say it?s slower than a mali-t604. But that and hte comparison charts below showing it to be up to 30% slower then even a t-628 let alone a t-760 kind of proves the point doesn?t it?

I am not trying to bass the tegra 4 here, it?s great, but as those 20 or so benchmarks all show, the t-760 massacres it (well it massacres the t-624 and that is faster than the tegra 4 clearly, hell even the 604 is apparently faster, so simple conclusion).

the ONLY reason tegra 4 might have better scores or graphics (nvidia likes to force or ?incentive? developrers to add nvidia-exlcusive graphic options...) is that ?very good game support? they talk about....
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 22, 2015, 02:50:03 am
No. It?s not even close to a tegra k1. That?s true. you?re confusing k1 and 4. The 4 is also from 2013 when the shield came out, actually a few months older.

It?s *IS* faster than the 4. It?s slower than the k1. But that k1 is usually in >1080p devices so the performance on this handheld in games is comparable if not faster anyway, but that is not due the strength of the GPU.

Its not possible, you can check the scores yourself with any website. Spec wise Core wise. I have both the k1 and tegra 4 note. Althought Id love it if the scores on any benchmark at same resoultion beat the teg 4

Lookie here, more benchmarks! http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-Tegra-4.87161.0.html

That?s a reputable site, and granted, they don?t say it?s slower then a t-760, they say it?s slower than a mali-t604. But that and hte comparison charts below showing it to be up to 30% slower then even a t-628 let alone a t-760 kind of proves the point doesn?t it?

I am not trying to bass the tegra 4 here, it?s great, but as those 20 or so benchmarks all show, the t-760 massacres it (well it massacres the t-624 and that is faster than the tegra 4 clearly, hell even the 604 is apparently faster, so simple conclusion).

the ONLY reason tegra 4 might have better scores or graphics (nvidia likes to force or ?incentive? developrers to add nvidia-exlcusive graphic options...) is that ?very good game support? they talk about....

Sorry no a t624 is even slower its an older generation, anyway I give up perhaps its faster for you which is cool, besides gaming is gaming enjoy.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 23, 2015, 01:05:18 pm
There is a new firmware for western users:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3719352815

It seems developer suggest to update via computer (instead of placing update,img in sdcard). No idea about changes, perhaps it's just debloaated for western people.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 23, 2015, 01:18:57 pm
google translate:

-------------------
This version is designed to meet special needs of users is best to use a computer upgrade :()
1, locate features than the version using google map can be achieved.
2, you need to google play


But this is the foreign versions, the default language is English, not pre-installed Chinese input method, part of the Chinese applications are not installed. Preinstalled files to choose according to their needs.

---------------------

So it's just the international firmware with google play and ... google maps me think?

I won't risk them having removed 'happy chick' tough, it works like a charm, except it doesn't start singing 'jar-har' whenever you open it, that'd be great as an aprils fool joke. I just downloaded ore no imouto ga konanni kawaii via it for the psp emulator, was compltely installed (1.2 GB download) in less than 10 minutes and works like a charm. also means this beast can play psp games full speed (frameskip, mulththreading and all speed hacks are disabled!), will test crissi core soon to see if it can do that with the intensive games as well . Would be really nice. I needed a replacement PSP :D

Also downloaded blazing star (mame) and r-type 3 (snes) via that app, installed in literally a second, and automatically starts with the right emu, runs perfectly. Wonderfull app! YOu can also search for games, genres, systems etc, you see the title, language and platform of each game and it's popularity, screenshots on it's detail page, and you can favorite games, share facebook, and comment on them. You can also configure the app in terms of where to install and such and access the individual settings of each emu via it. It's wunderbar :3

In short, I see no reason to upgrade firmware -it's also rock stable, play works great, 60 fps in all intensive android games ie asphalt 8, dues ex, nova 3, riptide gp 2, etc, button mapper is awesome, why upgrade it with the risk it got worse? D:
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 23, 2015, 03:44:27 pm
There is a new firmware for western users:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3719352815

It seems developer suggest to update via computer (instead of placing update,img in sdcard). No idea about changes, perhaps it's just debloaated for western people.

This is good news but currently 1.7 is pretty stable, ill test this one out later
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 23, 2015, 03:49:03 pm
I don't even know what I have, but it's perfectly stable and happy chick is amazing. Performance is super fast too .

Where did you say I could see it? Can't find it in 'status'
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 23, 2015, 04:21:58 pm
If there is something in settings like About device or About tablet, it should be there the version I guess.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 23, 2015, 04:29:59 pm
'your system is up to date'. Guess 1.0.8. Works like a charm anyway XD

And hooray~ I can confirm PSP emulation is full speed with no slowdowns (tested crisis core, project diva, and valkyria chronicles 2), even at native device screen and internal resolution with all speedhacks, multithreading and frameskip turned off. That's really nice, because the archos/rk3188 ran at 60-70% in ff7 crisis core with all speedhacks on, res at 1xpsp (UGLY!) and multithreading on. So it's a huge difference, and a welcome one, given my PSP broke. Now I can finally play valkyria chronicles 2, 1 was awesome on steam~

Hallejuhah. D:
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 23, 2015, 04:37:46 pm
PSP is not full speed in all games even in a RK3288, try God Of War or tekken 6 for instance. Valkyria Chronicles games are full speed in GPD q89, which is RK3188, so perhaps something was wrong with your Archos.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on April 23, 2015, 04:39:30 pm
PSP is not full speed in all games even in a RK3288, try God Of War or tekken 6 for instance. Valkyria Chronicles games are full speed in GPD q89, which is RK3188, so perhaps something was wrong with your Archos.

Aw bummer. Didn't test those. :-( but at least for crisis core, the difference is what I just said, so at least way more games aere playable :D

And nah, valkyria chronicles wass full speed on the archos in 3d game. Only the menus (strange I know) lagged like hell, 50% speed. Here they don't. :D
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 23, 2015, 06:46:03 pm
'your system is up to date'. Guess 1.0.8. Works like a charm anyway XD

And hooray~ I can confirm PSP emulation is full speed with no slowdowns (tested crisis core, project diva, and valkyria chronicles 2), even at native device screen and internal resolution with all speedhacks, multithreading and frameskip turned off. That's really nice, because the archos/rk3188 ran at 60-70% in ff7 crisis core with all speedhacks on, res at 1xpsp (UGLY!) and multithreading on. So it's a huge difference, and a welcome one, given my PSP broke. Now I can finally play valkyria chronicles 2, 1 was awesome on steam~

Hallejuhah. D:

I dont know about archos, but my gpd Rk3188 plays the crisis core 100% speed as well, besides this is not how emulation works (maybe if you read up on how emulators work youll get a good idea of performance) its got almost nothing to do with Rk3188 vs Rk3288 except a 1 or 2 frames or overclocking.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 28, 2015, 10:01:02 am
New version of firmware v1.1.1 (international):

http://pan.baidu.com/s/1ntkjXQp

No idea about changelog.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 28, 2015, 12:01:02 pm
New version of firmware v1.1.1 (international):

http://pan.baidu.com/s/1ntkjXQp

No idea about changelog.

thanks for the link ill add to 1st post
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eboskie1 on April 28, 2015, 01:10:19 pm
I am having troubles downloading from that site is there a mirror?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 28, 2015, 01:17:08 pm
I don't think so, because GPD uses pan baidu generally. I always use Jdownloader application to download from pan baidu and downloads fine.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eboskie1 on April 28, 2015, 02:07:46 pm
I downloaded some butler downloader but that did nothing that site is pretty bad can you mirror that file to a better site?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 28, 2015, 02:36:52 pm
No, because I have not downloaded the file. I don't have a q9. Have you tried with Jdownloader? I have always used that for pan baidu and always worked good for me.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eboskie1 on April 28, 2015, 02:45:32 pm
No problem I think I found a good mirror http://pan.baidu.com/s/1ntkjXQp Q9 V1.1.1. English version .zip downloading this without a problem.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on April 28, 2015, 03:00:25 pm
This is the same file I have posted......
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eboskie1 on April 28, 2015, 05:14:55 pm
I thought it was a different one it started downloaded pretty fast then it died again.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: weej on April 30, 2015, 03:25:55 am
Since this seems to be a popular thread on this device I'm curious - has anyone who owns this device tried the cloud PC game thing?
(http://i.imgur.com/8mnA2lJ.jpg)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on April 30, 2015, 03:37:42 pm
Since this seems to be a popular thread on this device I'm curious - has anyone who owns this device tried the cloud PC game thing?
(http://i.imgur.com/8mnA2lJ.jpg)

I cant try cloud/ internet server based gaming but I can tell you that you definitly cant control most locally gamestreamed shooter's, 3rd person action games due to the poor controls and lack of physical L3 R3 (you can use tincore).  However there is no reason cloud gaming wont work fine as long as your app supports the Rockchip chipset. PS4 does not stream to Rockchip devices.

Another thing to note is that 5ghz networks are not supported..but 2.4ghz gamestreaming works alrite in the 1.7 firmware
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: joshwaan on May 04, 2015, 11:48:46 pm
Hey guys

I just recieved my Q9 and really happy with it. I have a Kernel Version 3.10.0.

Trying to update to the lastest one http://pan.baidu.com/share/home?uk=389368662#category/type=0

Q9 V1.1.2-1 does anyone have a mirror for this download tryed getting it 3 times now and downloads most but fails?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 05, 2015, 08:12:11 am
Try with Jdownloader. Usually works for me when I download from pan baidu
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: joshwaan on May 05, 2015, 11:04:09 am
thank you :) Got it all good how on earth do I update it?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 05, 2015, 11:13:45 am
Does it come with instructions? It seems there are some instructions here, but probably you'll need to google translate them:
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1bnGrFmn
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: RR91 on May 05, 2015, 08:21:29 pm
Hey guyz just for information i update my q9 whith the 1.1.1 and its work.
You have keyboard whith no chineese and some app skype ... and Google store work.

But you lost Antutu point -4000 pt ...

source in my small tutorial for remove and upgrade firmware( in french ) : http://www.open-consoles.com/t8677-mise-a-jour-firmware-q9#99904

1.0.7 37984 Antutu pts
1.1.1 33600 Antutu pts
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 05, 2015, 08:26:22 pm
Antutu is good for an indication, but it?s not an exact measurement tool, running heavy games like walking dead season 2, asphalt 8, gt racing 2, riptide gp2, nova 3, dead trigger 2, expendables rearmed etc. gives you a much better indication of performance. IS the framerate lower then 60 on the new firmware?

Antutu could just have had an update and changed something about the benchmark or something. Or it could be something with the firmware. Which might or might not make other apps slower -- I know on my archos gamepad 2 I got a 2500 (20500 instead of 18000) point increase in antutu score when I put the CPU governor from ondemand to performance. People say the new firmware runs less hot because ?cpu clocks are managed better? - could be it?s a bit slower to ramp up which would explain the difference but should not have any influence in games (unless you like to play in , say, 20 second bursts. :3 )
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 05, 2015, 08:37:26 pm
Or perhaps GPD decided to underclock it even more. Since the kernel always reports 1,8 ghz in RK3288, who knows the true speed is in that firmware. Since source code is not available, I cannot tell for sure though,
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: RR91 on May 05, 2015, 09:13:03 pm
Antutu is good for an indication, but it?s not an exact measurement tool, running heavy games like walking dead season 2, asphalt 8, gt racing 2, riptide gp2, nova 3, dead trigger 2, expendables rearmed etc. gives you a much better indication of performance. IS the framerate lower then 60 on the new firmware?

Antutu could just have had an update and changed something about the benchmark or something. Or it could be something with the firmware. Which might or might not make other apps slower -- I know on my archos gamepad 2 I got a 2500 (20500 instead of 18000) point increase in antutu score when I put the CPU governor from ondemand to performance. People say the new firmware runs less hot because ?cpu clocks are managed better? - could be it?s a bit slower to ramp up which would explain the difference but should not have any influence in games (unless you like to play in , say, 20 second bursts. :3 )

I dont know for Asphalt 8 this game dosent work for me :/ its black screen whith just number of car appears IG. Menu work but after not.
Same whith castle of illusion black screen in game :o

Its wonderfull on Batman Mortal Kombat X Modern Combat 5.
How know the framerate ? its an apk ? tell me and i test it.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 05, 2015, 09:56:32 pm
Antutu is good for an indication, but it?s not an exact measurement tool, running heavy games like walking dead season 2, asphalt 8, gt racing 2, riptide gp2, nova 3, dead trigger 2, expendables rearmed etc. gives you a much better indication of performance. IS the framerate lower then 60 on the new firmware?

Antutu could just have had an update and changed something about the benchmark or something. Or it could be something with the firmware. Which might or might not make other apps slower -- I know on my archos gamepad 2 I got a 2500 (20500 instead of 18000) point increase in antutu score when I put the CPU governor from ondemand to performance. People say the new firmware runs less hot because ?cpu clocks are managed better? - could be it?s a bit slower to ramp up which would explain the difference but should not have any influence in games (unless you like to play in , say, 20 second bursts. :3 )

I dont know for Asphalt 8 this game dosent work for me :/ its black screen whith just number of car appears IG. Menu work but after not.
Same whith castle of illusion black screen in game :o

Its wonderfull on Batman Mortal Kombat X Modern Combat 5.
How know the framerate ? its an apk ? tell me and i test it.

I love playing asphalt 8 on this, have played for hours no problems and it suppports the controllers. Your black screen problem does occur but can be fixed in two very easy ways:

1) just put the graphics on ?low? in the settings menu. Problem fixed (on all devices with mali-t760 or at least ALL r3288 devices you get black screen if graphics > low).

2) install gltools (free) from google play , enable custom settings for asphalt 8, and use the tegra 4 preset. Ta-ta-tadada! You now have working graphics on any quality. :D

Both options work fine, and I recommend asphalt 8, it's free and totes fun :D

Also there was a root-only fpsmeter app on the play store, but it?s been ausradiert apparently, can?t find it anymore :-( so the measuring instrument is ?ma good? olde thumb? -- I have been playing games for 10+ years so I now it?s a constant 60fps :)

Oh which batman game? Wasn?t there some sort of cool openworld batman game? Might have to check that out XD
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: RR91 on May 05, 2015, 10:20:14 pm
Antutu is good for an indication, but it?s not an exact measurement tool, running heavy games like walking dead season 2, asphalt 8, gt racing 2, riptide gp2, nova 3, dead trigger 2, expendables rearmed etc. gives you a much better indication of performance. IS the framerate lower then 60 on the new firmware?

Antutu could just have had an update and changed something about the benchmark or something. Or it could be something with the firmware. Which might or might not make other apps slower -- I know on my archos gamepad 2 I got a 2500 (20500 instead of 18000) point increase in antutu score when I put the CPU governor from ondemand to performance. People say the new firmware runs less hot because ?cpu clocks are managed better? - could be it?s a bit slower to ramp up which would explain the difference but should not have any influence in games (unless you like to play in , say, 20 second bursts. :3 )

I dont know for Asphalt 8 this game dosent work for me :/ its black screen whith just number of car appears IG. Menu work but after not.
Same whith castle of illusion black screen in game :o

Its wonderfull on Batman Mortal Kombat X Modern Combat 5.
How know the framerate ? its an apk ? tell me and i test it.

I love playing asphalt 8 on this, have played for hours no problems and it suppports the controllers. Your black screen problem does occur but can be fixed in two very easy ways:

1) just put the graphics on ?low? in the settings menu. Problem fixed (on all devices with mali-t760 or at least ALL r3288 devices you get black screen if graphics > low).

2) install gltools (free) from google play , enable custom settings for asphalt 8, and use the tegra 4 preset. Ta-ta-tadada! You now have working graphics on any quality. :D

Both options work fine, and I recommend asphalt 8, it's free and totes fun :D

Also there was a root-only fpsmeter app on the play store, but it?s been ausradiert apparently, can?t find it anymore :-( so the measuring instrument is ?ma good? olde thumb? -- I have been playing games for 10+ years so I now it?s a constant 60fps :)

Oh which batman game? Wasn?t there some sort of cool openworld batman game? Might have to check that out XD

Ho really !? i dl and test in few minutes .
its the last, Batman The Dark Knight Rises  ;)

And for mickey Castle of illusion your app work to ?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: RR91 on May 05, 2015, 10:56:51 pm
http://onhax.net/gltools/


ok i use last version its work perfectly !
For mickey its the game but i dondt understand how to resolve i just found this https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/600327/3d-vision/castle-of-illusion-looks-amazing-but-/1/
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: e114 on May 06, 2015, 08:21:09 am
You have to keep going, I will always support you. :)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 06, 2015, 01:00:31 pm
I have been talking with a GPD dev. He has confirmed that from firmware v.1.1.1 CPU "true speed" is 1,6 ghz. The reason is to reduce heat basically, and they also have reduced voltage level. Performance should be slightly worse, but temperatures and battery life should be a bit better I guess with reduced voltages.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 06, 2015, 01:17:40 pm
Can i haz download link for english version of that firmware?

And again, does it delete my files?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 06, 2015, 01:25:07 pm
This is the directory:

http://pan.baidu.com/share/home?uk=389368662#category/type=0

It seems last firmware is v.1.1.3.

If you update via BatchTool from PC you will lose your userdata for sure, so make a backup with Titanium or similar app if you decide to try.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: RR91 on May 06, 2015, 02:58:22 pm
I have been talking with a GPD dev. He has confirmed that from firmware v.1.1.1 CPU "true speed" is 1,6 ghz. The reason is to reduce heat basically, and they also have reduced voltage level. Performance should be slightly worse, but temperatures and battery life should be a bit better I guess with reduced voltages.

Ok thats the reason abtutu are better in 1.0.7. But thats true the battery are not hot now ( im in 1.1.1 english )

I look ans use google traduction and i have 2 result = Chineese verison (Q9 V1.1.3 中文版本 量产固件.zip)  and French version (Q9 V1.1.3 英文版本.zip )

link for the 1.1.1 english --> Firmware 1.1.1 English version lien officiel (Antutu 33600) (http://pan.baidu.com/s/1c0lOqAG)

If someone go in 1.1.3 tell me antutu score plz and whats change thx  ;)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 06, 2015, 03:05:20 pm
You shouldn't trust too much in Antutu to determine if a firmware is good or not. Specially because Antutu is not very precise and can be easily cheated. If games and apps run fine and system is stable there shouldn't be anything to worry about in my opinion. For example my phone is about 45000 in antutu, but in "real life" it runs games or emulators pretty much the same than my RK3288 or amlogic s802 tvboxes.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 06, 2015, 03:51:58 pm
This is the directory:

http://pan.baidu.com/share/home?uk=389368662#category/type=0

It seems last firmware is v.1.1.3.

If you update via BatchTool from PC you will lose your userdata for sure, so make a backup with Titanium or similar app if you decide to try.

But do i also lose data if i put image in root folder and reboot tablet, or is this not known?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 06, 2015, 04:01:15 pm
Probably not, but I don't recommend the method of using microSd to update, because a minor change in partitions size and you'll have a good semibricked device. If there are no changes then using microSD should be enough.
BatchTool is always recommended when flashing a Rockchip device.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 06, 2015, 04:12:57 pm
Someone has already done it succesfully tough. But what do you mean semibrickee?,why is it a problem? The file system contents and directory structure don't change right?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 06, 2015, 04:23:10 pm
Rockchip firmware contain a parameter file that determine partition sizes. In an upgrade from sdcard if the parameter file is different and partitions sizes are different, system won't boot, because when you upgrade from microSd in Rockchip the partitions are not fully formatted, so any change in size can provoke that system won't boot because new size of partitions are not adjusted. If someone has updated this way and has got success, then it's because partition size is the same in all firmwares.
But anyhow. When upgradng Rockchip firmwares in IMG (this is a full firmware and not a OTA), using the PC is the most recommended. Updating using microSD is only recommended for an OTA update.



Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 06, 2015, 05:40:03 pm
Allridevic fgt thanks for the explanation! But then i just want to limit the cpu frequency to 1.4 or 1.6 max to increase lifespan of the device because this won't have any impact on (3d) game performance anyway., i read here nofrill cpu controls doesn't work with q9, are there any which do? That should have some effect as installing the new firmware right? :-)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 06, 2015, 05:45:38 pm
There are many apps to control CPU. I use setcpu in my RK3288 Tv box. There are also other apps Trickster MOD or 3c CPU Manager or example.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: RR91 on May 06, 2015, 08:14:28 pm
Someone has already done it succesfully tough. But what do you mean semibrickee?,why is it a problem? The file system contents and directory structure don't change right?

yes --> http://www.open-consoles.com/t8677-mise-a-jour-firmware-q9
Grandsion do this use google translate.

He go to the 1.0.8 and come back to the 1.0.7 international. He are afraid because a lot of time the started screen are blocked but its fine at the end. Its risquy i think.
Personaly i use the Batchtool and it works good 1 std time for the 1.1.1

The last upgrade are just the country located i think French and Chinese because 1.1.1 are international. use my tuto bro  ;)

All game run really good and the battery during are awesome  8)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: CrazyIvan on May 07, 2015, 11:16:13 am
My opinion on this device.
It's mostly an upgrade compared to GamePad2 except screen size (this screen is 16:9 and GamePad2 have 16:10) but the system bar can hide so it's not a big problem (although some games like Chaos Rings don't render into the lower part of the screen where the system bar resides even when it's hidden). Screen is dimmer but minimum brightness is also lower (GamePad 2's minimum brightness was too much for me for gaming in poorly lit rooms). Also the screen is readable under direct sunlight (you can't play dark games of course but otherwise it's ok provided the screen is clean).
Buttons are great, D-pad is also great - one of the best in a mobile device let alone a 7'' psp-style device. Nubs are basically the same as in both GamePads, the basic problem is friction between the moving part of a nub and its case. It seems like nothing can be done about it. They get better over time but they would never be good (there are good nubs but chinese companies don't seem to bother searching for good ones and you can't expect it from them given the price).
Speakers are actually good. Build quality is also good, internal structure is clean (similar to GamePad2 and unlike GamePad for example).
As for software, the default launcher somehow interferes with a task manager so some games don't show in the window list (some do) but another option called Launcher3 works as it should. Also there was a problem installing some games when external sd card was the default (also a lot of games refuse to install when internal sd size is zero). Because i like to install a lot of games and programs on my device i just made internal sd the new data partition and external sd the new internal sd via boot.img modification (rkflashkit works good but unfortunately can't read @user partition (there is no such partition on the partition list fore some reason).
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 08, 2015, 12:51:15 am
Add a piece of thin plastic between case and nubs, et voila, smooth moving nubs. :D Or at least a lot smoother. To improve further, apply rubber circles for ring enlargement, and happy gaming :D
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: CrazyIvan on May 08, 2015, 10:39:56 am
Add a piece of thin plastic between case and nubs, et voila, smooth moving nubs. :D Or at least a lot smoother. To improve further, apply rubber circles for ring enlargement, and happy gaming :D
The friction persists even if i remove a nub with PCB from a case and it's on the same level as Gamepad2 so if you haven't used really good nubs like on pandora it must feel good enough for you.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: e114 on May 13, 2015, 07:09:48 am
Lol,,,as i know that the Q9 is the updated by Q88+,it is good play so much.i love it..
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 13, 2015, 09:24:55 am
I got a device yesterday (courtesy of GPD, thanks guys). And I want to comment several aspects that I have noticed.

- Device is pretty similar to q89. Performance in emulators is pretty much the same, except for a couple of things. Some PSP games run better and Broglia's emus can be used with hq2x filter without issues, something that was not possible with RK3188.
- Performance in GPU is very good, a bit worse than my phone but fast enough to run games without issues.

Now, in terms of firmwares, I want to clear some points. I have tested 1.07 firmware, and although kernel is set up to 1,8 ghz, the true speed as I thought is 1,6 ghz. That is normal in RK3288, so no a big deal. However, that changes in firmware 1.1.2, which was the one installed in my device. In 1.1.2 CPU max speed is marked as 1,6 ghz, but indeed max speed is 1,416, so device is underclocked. My guess is that GPD did that to avoid some heat and probably because the board have some issues running at max voltage during some time, probably due to the lack a good heatsink (or no heatsink at all).
Apart from that, firmware is very stable and no problems so far. Even at 1,416 ghz everything I tried in terms of emulation runs ok, and honestly even at 1,8 ghz wouldn't make a big difference except for a better antutu benchmarks from my experience with my RK3288 tv box.

But in the end, my point is that there is no single firmware in which the system runs at "true" 1,8 ghz speed, not even the 1.07 one.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on May 13, 2015, 04:44:16 pm
I got a device yesterday (courtesy of GPD, thanks guys). And I want to comment several aspects that I have noticed.

- Device is pretty similar to q89. Performance in emulators is pretty much the same, except for a couple of things. Some PSP games run better and Broglia's emus can be used with hq2x filter without issues, something that was not possible with RK3188.
- Performance in GPU is very good, a bit worse than my phone but fast enough to run games without issues.

Now, in terms of firmwares, I want to clear some points. I have tested 1.07 firmware, and although kernel is set up to 1,8 ghz, the true speed as I thought is 1,6 ghz. That is normal in RK3288, so no a big deal. However, that changes in firmware 1.1.2, which was the one installed in my device. In 1.1.2 CPU max speed is marked as 1,6 ghz, but indeed max speed is 1,416, so device is underclocked. My guess is that GPD did that to avoid some heat and probably because the board have some issues running at max voltage during some time, probably due to the lack a good heatsink (or no heatsink at all).
Apart from that, firmware is very stable and no problems so far. Even at 1,416 ghz everything I tried in terms of emulation runs ok, and honestly even at 1,8 ghz wouldn't make a big difference except for a better antutu benchmarks from my experience with my RK3288 tv box.

But in the end, my point is that there is no single firmware in which the system runs at "true" 1,8 ghz speed, not even the 1.07 one.

Interesting note on the the firmware cpu caps, I have been satisfied with the 1.7 firmware however the original firmware this device came with had major heating issues. Im trying to get the iplay 7 review done (working out some odd bugs)so far I think apart from the 56hz screen the iplay is the best 7inch handheld console iv ever used and in many aspects beats the Q9 and GPD G7..unfortunately there are a few minor firmware bugs holding it back.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 13, 2015, 05:07:24 pm
Well, the iplay is much more expensive, so it's normal it's better I guess. Though for an "emulator" guy like me, a 56 hz screen is clearly a big fail.

I still prefer my combo of my phone plus Moga controller in any case. 7 inch devices are too uncomfortable for me.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: wrc1010 on May 16, 2015, 02:45:02 pm
Does GPD Q9 come with rooted because i like to able to move most of the game to sd card?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 16, 2015, 03:24:08 pm
Yes, it's rooted
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: wrc1010 on May 16, 2015, 05:07:49 pm
Yes, it's rooted

Does this GPD Q9 performance is better then JXD S7800B?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 16, 2015, 05:55:04 pm
Yes, it's rooted

Does this GPD Q9 performance is better then JXD S7800B?

Yes, it's a RK3288 which is a better CPU than the RK3188 of 7800
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: wrc1010 on May 17, 2015, 03:56:15 pm
Yes, it's rooted

Does this GPD Q9 performance is better then JXD S7800B?

Yes, it's a RK3288 which is a better CPU than the RK3188 of 7800

Will GPD Q9 can play almost any android and emulator game because it still new and JXD S7800B have been a while in the market and i do some research and it look like it have no problem to play almost any android and emulator game?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 17, 2015, 04:09:09 pm
For emulators are pretty much the same, for android games is better the q9 because ir performs better in games.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: wrc1010 on May 17, 2015, 04:12:25 pm
For emulators are pretty much the same, for android games is better the q9 because ir performs better in games.

How about analog joystick from GPD Q9 and JXD S7800B, which one is better because from what i look is that JXD S7800B analog joystick is more comfortable to use it but dont know whether it is fine for most of the game or not?

After some online research, so far i see only GPD Q9 and JXD S7800B is the best 7 inch gamepad to buy but dont know which one to go for it.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 17, 2015, 04:31:46 pm
Analog in both are pretty bad, slightly better in 7800 but far from good in my opinion.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: wrc1010 on May 17, 2015, 04:36:26 pm
Analog in both are pretty bad, slightly better in 7800 but far from good in my opinion.

Do you think should i get JXD 7800B because it is enough to play almost all the android and emulator games with their anolog joystick is more better then GPD Q9?
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 17, 2015, 04:45:10 pm
It's up to you. For android games the mali400 of the 7800 is pretty old, so don't expect to run future titles at good speed. 7800 is also abandonned in terms of firmware support.

I personally prefer q9 because if their dpad, but I mostly play emulators, I never play android games.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 20, 2015, 09:34:57 am
Some more digging I have made these days. I got access to latest RK3288 SDK. My suspects were certain, device in latest firmwares is limited to 1,4 ghz (it marks 1,6 ghz but that frequency is never used). DDR Speed is 400 mhz and GPU is 500 mhz. Talking with a GPD engineer they tell me the main reason is the heat. Device has not a good heatsink, so the "workaround" they made to avoid is basically to underclock the device, because some devices can suffer some instability even at 1,6 ghz. Even the system reaches a certain temperature, device speed is automatically lowered. I guess this what happened with nielo360 when he got his device. He suffered some CPU throttling due to temp.

I personally have tested kernel at 1,6 ghz and run without problems in my device. However, true 1,8 ghz is practically impossible to handle in this device. Device is not stable in my testings because I have to increase voltage to 1.4V to make it stable, but means device temp go high very soon and CPU Throttling and crashes are frequent. So I am afraid that 1,6 ghz is the max for this device. And probably the reason why Rockchip limits CPU to 1,6 in tablets. In tvboxes is different because of good heatsinks, but in a tablel 1,8 ghz is impossible to reach it.

With that said, I am using my device with the 1,4 ghz limitation and for me it's fine.  Emus run good and the Android games that I have tried run without issues, so probably that speed is enough.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: nielo360 on May 20, 2015, 11:25:21 am
Some more digging I have made these days. I got access to latest RK3288 SDK. My suspects were certain, device in latest firmwares is limited to 1,4 ghz (it marks 1,6 ghz but that frequency is never used). DDR Speed is 400 mhz and GPU is 500 mhz. Talking with a GPD engineer they tell me the main reason is the heat. Device has not a good heatsink, so the "workaround" they made to avoid is basically to underclock the device, because some devices can suffer some instability even at 1,6 ghz. Even the system reaches a certain temperature, device speed is automatically lowered. I guess this what happened with nielo360 when he got his device. He suffered some CPU throttling due to temp.

I personally have tested kernel at 1,6 ghz and run without problems in my device. However, true 1,8 ghz is practically impossible to handle in this device. Device is not stable in my testings because I have to increase voltage to 1.4V to make it stable, but means device temp go high very soon and CPU Throttling and crashes are frequent. So I am afraid that 1,6 ghz is the max for this device. And probably the reason why Rockchip limits CPU to 1,6 in tablets. In tvboxes is different because of good heatsinks, but in a tablel 1,8 ghz is impossible to reach it.

With that said, I am using my device with the 1,4 ghz limitation and for me it's fine.  Emus run good and the Android games that I have tried run without issues, so probably that speed is enough.

I hope this wont be repeated in upcoming gpd devices, it sort of defeats the purpose of a new soc. Granted they are pricing these things very competitively the challenge would be getting the right balance. Thank you for the research into this I shall pin it up top.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: skelton on May 20, 2015, 11:34:17 am
I think it's more Rockchip fault than GPD, because the limitation is incluced in Rockchip SDK, so it comes like this in all RK3288 tablets. The RK3288 is mainly designed for TVboxes, so probably the limitation to 1.6 ghz makes sense. In a Tvbox is easy to add a heatsink and there are less components than produce heat, like a battery, but in a tablet is a bit more complicated I guess. Difference in performance is minimal though. My tvbox runs at 2.0 with GPU also overclocked but in practical terms games run as good in Q9 than in my tvbox.
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 20, 2015, 11:45:32 am
Some more digging I have made these days. I got access to latest RK3288 SDK. My suspects were certain, device in latest firmwares is limited to 1,4 ghz (it marks 1,6 ghz but that frequency is never used). DDR Speed is 400 mhz and GPU is 500 mhz. Talking with a GPD engineer they tell me the main reason is the heat. Device has not a good heatsink, so the "workaround" they made to avoid is basically to underclock the device, because some devices can suffer some instability even at 1,6 ghz. Even the system reaches a certain temperature, device speed is automatically lowered. I guess this what happened with nielo360 when he got his device. He suffered some CPU throttling due to temp.

I personally have tested kernel at 1,6 ghz and run without problems in my device. However, true 1,8 ghz is practically impossible to handle in this device. Device is not stable in my testings because I have to increase voltage to 1.4V to make it stable, but means device temp go high very soon and CPU Throttling and crashes are frequent. So I am afraid that 1,6 ghz is the max for this device. And probably the reason why Rockchip limits CPU to 1,6 in tablets. In tvboxes is different because of good heatsinks, but in a tablel 1,8 ghz is impossible to reach it.

With that said, I am using my device with the 1,4 ghz limitation and for me it's fine.  Emus run good and the Android games that I have tried run without issues, so probably that speed is enough.

I hope this wont be repeated in upcoming gpd devices, it sort of defeats the purpose of a new soc. Granted they are pricing these things very competitively the challenge would be getting the right balance. Thank you for the research into this I shall pin it up top.

It doesn't defeat the purpose if gpu-intensive games still run at three or more times higher fps... And three times higher is very essimistic it's usually more between mali t764 and ancient mali400...
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: PlasmaStar on May 24, 2015, 06:34:00 am
Can somebody seriously, please, setup a mirror or give me directions on how to download FirmWares for this thing. pan.baidu doesn't exactly cater to English, and it looks like some of the links to it (from other threads/here) have gone dead.

Edit: :D I found a copy of 1.1.3 here http://pan.baidu.com/wap/link?uk=389368662&shareid=3934853794
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: PlasmaStar on May 26, 2015, 01:11:51 am
UPDATED OFFICIAL FIRMWARE:New version of firmware v1.1.1 (international) (thanks skeleton)
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1ntkjXQp

The latest is v1.1.3, right? Why does v1.7 and v1.8 get mentioned then? I'm so confused about this.

Use the built in cleam master app to delete all bloatware and junk, (and then remove clean master itself)

Where is the clean master app? Am I missing that in v1.1.3?

Battery calibration app is important after firmware upgrade (use once after charged to 100% from playstore)

Is this still important? Battery life is always nice to have. :)
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: e114 on May 30, 2015, 09:32:55 am
Q9 launched a new firmware, you can download  from  here  http://pan.baidu.com/s/1gd0B68N
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: eragon2890 on May 30, 2015, 09:37:09 am
Is there a changelog somewhere?

Thanx for the tip!
Title: Re: GPD Q9 Video Review Emulation Android tests.Benchmarks & Tegra 4 comparison!
Post by: Kensirou on November 06, 2015, 09:10:38 am
Could you pin this topic? It may be useful, thanks.