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eragon2890

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2015, 12:46:40 am »
Thank you for the response! The part about the play store (?nd the sticks being at least functional enough to play the games ^_^, I don?t mind PSP style nubs) were quite helpfull, as welll as knowing the screen is good enough ~

However, I did read around about geekbuying, apparently they have an safety rating of 10% as well as some issues~  https://nl.trustpilot.com/review/geekbuying.com

You were probably very lucky, reading those stories...

Willgoo has a safety rating of 90% on the other hand, and it costs the same, but, I don?t know if that one has the international firmware on it... and there does not seem to be a way to put it on the console? Maybe I should just ask them :)

Thanks again!

eragon2890

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2015, 01:15:48 am »
okay, seriously, what?s a good store to buy it from?? None of them seem that trustworthy...  I don?t want to receive a broken product!

Oh, and do the analogs at least appear sturdy, ie they will hold out quite a while? D:
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eragon2890

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2015, 01:21:01 am »
double post... Sorry :-(
« Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 01:49:42 am by eragon2890 »

nielo360 (OP)

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2015, 04:34:45 am »
okay, seriously, what?s a good store to buy it from?? None of them seem that trustworthy...  I don?t want to receive a broken product!

Oh, and do the analogs at least appear sturdy, ie they will hold out quite a while? D:

aliexpress or willgoo are both ok, but I dont recomend buying this device, ergonomically its impossible to use for long periods of time(for me), the cpu at 1.8ghz is a neglagible upgrade. The gpu is strong but at 1024x600 a mali 450 does quiet well too.. the heat will affect your fingers. Nubs are pretty bad, not just beacuse they are nubs but because they spin.

the only good thing about this device is the dpad and speakers.

Since you wanted to know about the analogs, the nubs are analog but the motion is stiff, inaccurate and rough. It will feeling like a dpad.
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Melquiades

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2015, 08:26:03 am »
Wow, I am disappointed to see a bad review, the heating is specially concerning. What a turndown. Serves me well for buying before reading reviews. Anyway, I bought it two weeks ago at GB and got it shipped two days ago. So paid more, I missed all these flash sales with $20 discounts and got it shipped after most people here. Not very nice of you GB.

Have you tried to reduce clock speed to 1.4 or 1.2? If Antutu score is still over 30000 it should be enough for emulation of most devices and the heating should be lower. Big games will be mostly run by the GPU anyway. It will save battery also...
« Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 08:40:42 am by Melquiades »

Deen0X

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2015, 08:40:34 am »
i did not tested yet this device, but figure is similar to Q88+/Q89, i can comment few things.

Thre is two kind analog types on android consoles.
- Flat, like PSP sticks. These sticks are inaccurate in general speaking, and most time you will use as digital control (because you simply go to border directly, using all the range, or releasing, to let the stick on the center)
The good point of these kind of sticks is that are so portable. Devices with this you can put on your bag with easy and don?t get afraid of the sticks will be broken.

- Full featured Sticks as X360 controller. These kind of sticks are, for long, the best alternative for serious playing. Are precise and comfortable. The problem with these kind of sticks is that are not so portable. You must take care when transport a device with this, for avoiding broke them.

There is another kind of Sticks, that use JXDS7800B, but are not precise, and non comfortable, then i did not consider as alternative of serious gaming stick.

then, based on what i mentioned, there are alternatives for these two profiles of users:
- Users that want a portable device for normal-casual gaming. These kind of users will prefer something like Q88+/Q89/Q9 because is more easy to transport.

- Users that want a portable device for normal-serious gaming. These kind of users prefer devices like iPega 9700, GPD-G7, etc, where controls are good and sticks are quality. This kind of users usually play on home, and the device is not really for portable playing (outside home)

I agree with nielo360 about analog of Q88+/Q89/Q9 are not good for serious gaming with these controls, but in my opinion, are enough for portable/casual gaming. I usually play with GPD-Q89 on subway, and controls are enough for these kind of situations where i take the device and bring back quickly to my backpack, without worries about sticks will be broken. Time ago, i usually play with GPD-G5A on subway, but i broked right stick (get heavy pressed on my backpack) and i avoid to play normally with any device with these kind of sticks when travelling on subway, etc. Only use on my home.

sorry if i insist on the portable point of the sticks, but in fact, is the only reason why GPD put these sticks on this device.

Can you figure this device with Normal analog Sticks, and more confortable L2, R2 buttons? if you can figure, then most probably you will realize on that this mold is similar to GPG-G7. I figure on some time the G7 device will receive an upgrade with the new SoC (and hope, with a improved DPAD... or the same DPAD as Q9)

About the heating. i figure will be a problem. I want to open the device and check if there is the same heatsink solution than Q89.
And i reccomend to limit the speed of the device if you really don?t need power. As i remember, SetCPU can create profiles per App for configuring CPUs profiles (governor, max speed, etc)

eragon2890

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2015, 09:04:11 am »
Do the other people who have this (or the q88, it?s the same after all) also find it unergonomical to use/get pain in their hand? Of course that?s rather subjective, but the guy who reviewed it on youtube (the 88) loved it. But I don?t want something which gives me hand pain after notime. Does it do this for everyone? Most people seem to like the device, only divided about the sticks. (Most I see say they?re fine/good enough, some hate them, I like PSP nubs, so it?s probably fine. And the fact they rotate sounds good to me, the archos ones don't, but that?s how it broke. It rotates now and is ruined. So if these are free to rotate, they probably will last longer, and it really doesn?t annoy me. The problem is the left stick simply does not respond accuretely anymore. I push forward, character goes left, like that~ :))

Is the heat a real problem? Reviewer said it was not that bad, and rockchips are known for being BBQchips. My archos, especially if it?s plugged into power outlet and running a game like dead trigger, becaumes so hot you can cook an egg on it, it?s ridiculous, yet I have had it for a year, game few hours per day on it on average + use it for everything else inlcuding streaming anime and stuff, and except for the left stick it still runs like a champ. It became hot enough to burn the ?u? of the ?otaku? sticker I put on it tough. That?s how hot it gets... yet I just had an uptime of just over three weeks with no crashes or anything before it shut down, because I forgot to charge the battery. Rock stable.

So is the heat really that bad? Because rockchips can handle aa bit of heat, at least the rk3188 could... (the official certified temperature for it also is 85 Celcius according to this manual I downloaded...) When nielo360 says ?not that bad'?, how bad is it? If it's just a bit, I don?t care, I am not gonna overclock it, and I figure it?s unavoidable given the speed of the GPU... it?s heating, or shitty framerates, I pick heating :)

I just really need a gamepad replacement, and one with a stronger GPU because I don?t want to buy back what I?ve got. I want to play tales of the borderlands and exiled and such. And I would happily wait, if that stick had not bought the bus.

So yeah, the two main questions are... does it give everyone a pain in their hand? Is it and the q88+ stable, like can use it for few hours on android game or emulator without crashing? And is the heat cremation-level or just a bit (also when playing something like crazy taxi, where the GPU has to work as well).

Sorry for so many questions, but this is subjective, I jsut want to minimize my chance of being something I won?t enjoy...

Deen0X

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2015, 09:26:56 am »
Do the other people who have this (or the q88, it?s the same after all) also find it unergonomical to use/get pain in their hand? Of course that?s rather subjective, but the guy who reviewed it on youtube (the 88) loved it. But I don?t want something which gives me hand pain after notime. Does it do this for everyone? Most people seem to like the device, only divided about the sticks. (Most I see say they?re fine/good enough, some hate them, I like PSP nubs, so it?s probably fine. And the fact they rotate sounds good to me, the archos ones don't, but that?s how it broke. It rotates now and is ruined. So if these are free to rotate, they probably will last longer, and it really doesn?t annoy me. The problem is the left stick simply does not respond accuretely anymore. I push forward, character goes left, like that~ :))

Is the heat a real problem? Reviewer said it was not that bad, and rockchips are known for being BBQchips. My archos, especially if it?s plugged into power outlet and running a game like dead trigger, becaumes so hot you can cook an egg on it, it?s ridiculous, yet I have had it for a year, game few hours per day on it on average + use it for everything else inlcuding streaming anime and stuff, and except for the left stick it still runs like a champ. It became hot enough to burn the ?u? of the ?otaku? sticker I put on it tough. That?s how hot it gets... yet I just had an uptime of just over three weeks with no crashes or anything before it shut down, because I forgot to charge the battery. Rock stable.

So is the heat really that bad? Because rockchips can handle aa bit of heat, at least the rk3188 could... (the official certified temperature for it also is 85 Celcius according to this manual I downloaded...) When nielo360 says ?not that bad'?, how bad is it? If it's just a bit, I don?t care, I am not gonna overclock it, and I figure it?s unavoidable given the speed of the GPU... it?s heating, or shitty framerates, I pick heating :)

I just really need a gamepad replacement, and one with a stronger GPU because I don?t want to buy back what I?ve got. I want to play tales of the borderlands and exiled and such. And I would happily wait, if that stick had not bought the bus.

So yeah, the two main questions are... does it give everyone a pain in their hand? Is it and the q88+ stable, like can use it for few hours on android game or emulator without crashing? And is the heat cremation-level or just a bit (also when playing something like crazy taxi, where the GPU has to work as well).

Sorry for so many questions, but this is subjective, I jsut want to minimize my chance of being something I won?t enjoy...

nielo.

open the device and check the cables/data buses are correctly plugged. in both, Q88+ and Q89, i get problems with internal cables and connectors, they are not corretcly connected, and the controls are not working well.

after fixing this, the controls running ok.

nielo360 (OP)

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2015, 10:05:07 am »
Do the other people who have this (or the q88, it?s the same after all) also find it unergonomical to use/get pain in their hand? Of course that?s rather subjective, but the guy who reviewed it on youtube (the 88) loved it. But I don?t want something which gives me hand pain after notime. Does it do this for everyone? Most people seem to like the device, only divided about the sticks. (Most I see say they?re fine/good enough, some hate them, I like PSP nubs, so it?s probably fine. And the fact they rotate sounds good to me, the archos ones don't, but that?s how it broke. It rotates now and is ruined. So if these are free to rotate, they probably will last longer, and it really doesn?t annoy me. The problem is the left stick simply does not respond accuretely anymore. I push forward, character goes left, like that~ :))

Is the heat a real problem? Reviewer said it was not that bad, and rockchips are known for being BBQchips. My archos, especially if it?s plugged into power outlet and running a game like dead trigger, becaumes so hot you can cook an egg on it, it?s ridiculous, yet I have had it for a year, game few hours per day on it on average + use it for everything else inlcuding streaming anime and stuff, and except for the left stick it still runs like a champ. It became hot enough to burn the ?u? of the ?otaku? sticker I put on it tough. That?s how hot it gets... yet I just had an uptime of just over three weeks with no crashes or anything before it shut down, because I forgot to charge the battery. Rock stable.

So is the heat really that bad? Because rockchips can handle aa bit of heat, at least the rk3188 could... (the official certified temperature for it also is 85 Celcius according to this manual I downloaded...) When nielo360 says ?not that bad'?, how bad is it? If it's just a bit, I don?t care, I am not gonna overclock it, and I figure it?s unavoidable given the speed of the GPU... it?s heating, or shitty framerates, I pick heating :)

I just really need a gamepad replacement, and one with a stronger GPU because I don?t want to buy back what I?ve got. I want to play tales of the borderlands and exiled and such. And I would happily wait, if that stick had not bought the bus.

So yeah, the two main questions are... does it give everyone a pain in their hand? Is it and the q88+ stable, like can use it for few hours on android game or emulator without crashing? And is the heat cremation-level or just a bit (also when playing something like crazy taxi, where the GPU has to work as well).

Sorry for so many questions, but this is subjective, I jsut want to minimize my chance of being something I won?t enjoy...

nielo.

open the device and check the cables/data buses are correctly plugged. in both, Q88+ and Q89, i get problems with internal cables and connectors, they are not corretcly connected, and the controls are not working well.

after fixing this, the controls running ok.

Im just finishing uploading the video, the controls all function as intended, the heat issues seems to be due to the chipset placement generelly speaking and will only come in to play with cpu intensive games, id say if people are used to phone heat while gaming its on par with that. I will try to open it up and see if there is any other issue with it.

Point to note Cpu governor was set to performance during review which definitely could factor into heat, its possible that casual users will not notice this.

Ergonomically its subjective, for instance the shield portable is quiet weighty for me to hold for long hours, however it really feels comfortable to grip on to.. the issue with this is the lack of grip/rest which could be due to me having larger size hands. Its not a weight issue but the sharp edges and finger resting make it uncomfortable and may cause ache to some people while not to others.

Ideally I wouldnt knock gpd on using nubs for portability but the way they have implemented them simply makes it annoying to use, as you will see in the video.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 10:07:18 am by nielo360 »

skelton

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2015, 10:07:15 am »
I personally find all 7 inch devices unconfortable (even g7 which is more ergonomic), and q89 is "as confortable" as JXD 7800B or Archos gamepad 2, so if you have used one of these it's pretty much the same. This q9 is the same mold as q89, so in terms of ergonomics should be the same. I personally cannot play with any 7 inch device for more than 15 minutes, so I never use them (except for android development)

With that said, for me the target of q89/q89 is mainly people who want to play emulators, because of the good dpad. For games that use analog or android games is not too recommended in my opinion, because analogs in q89 were rather terrible, and it seems that q9 are the same. So basically the choice is up to people depending on what they want to play. If you are emulator guy and don't care about android gaming at all, can be an option, if the focus is android gaming/streaming or things that use analog a lot, then probably there are other choices around.

Also, I remember that although kernel can report 1,8 ghz, all RK3288 run by default at 1,6 max, unless it's modified by source code, because there is  DEFAULT_SAFETY_FREQ flag that limit speed at 1,6 ghz, and probably is the best choice, because using 1,8 ghz or above is only recommended in tvboxes with a good heatsink.


By the way, just as curiosity, can anyone tell which refresh rate device has in hz? Is it 60 hz? How are partitions in the device? Did GPD include an option to swap nand flash/microSD like in previous GPD devices?
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nielo360 (OP)

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2015, 10:12:30 am »
Yes there is an option to swap storage on this device,

whats  a reliable app to check refresh rate?

skelton

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2015, 10:13:36 am »
Display tester for instance:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.displaytester

Or just using calibration option in Retroarch emu.
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Melquiades

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2015, 10:24:40 am »
With the S7800B I never had a problem playing for LONG periods of time (other than the battery), and I have learnt to live with its analogs, so I should be fine with the Q9 if it doesn't get very hot. This is my main concern, I am a fire hazard maniac.

I hope that by reducing clock speed a little the device will be OK temperature-wise while keeping some reasonable horsepower. I mean, if setting this at 1.2 or 1.4 Reicast and PPSSPP run OK I would be more than happy.

nielo360 (OP)

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2015, 10:34:14 am »
Display tester for instance:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.displaytester

Or just using calibration option in Retroarch emu.

refresh rate is 60.22

eragon2890

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2015, 10:34:41 am »
Thanks everyone! I want to buy one. I like big 7 inxh screen and have played for hours regularly (jrpgs!) on the gamepad 2 without hurting hands... And heat apparently isn't so bad even on android games. I love the extra performance for android games (not all of which even use the analogs BTW, I mean racing games, games like xcom, etc) . plus most everyone seem to think the analogs are either really good, or good enough at least to play fps games and twin sticks on, so seems I won't have real problems with GTA andreas, dead trigger, zombiewood ,quake and the like. I have also seen gameplay video of modern combat 5, looked like they could play it fine.

Two final questions: 1) the analogs may not be optimal , but they are transportable. I will however use them a lot just like the dpad. Do they seem sturdy, ie regardlessof how well you can play with them, which is apparently well enough, do they seem like they will last a while? Can the controls on this device survive one - two years  of regular intensive android and retro gaming?

2) where should I buy it? Someone recommended willgoo, but j want to be sure I get the version with the play store. And I mhear horror stories about both geekbuying and willgoo... And does the version with play store have android in English and English keyboard?

But thanks for the info, looks like between stable firmware, good dpad,usable analogs , fast GPU, it's good for both retro and android gaming... I want one... Now where to get it with play store and English ...

Deen0X

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2015, 10:54:09 am »
about playstore, don?t worry about this. simply flashing a firmware with this, you will solve.

and for english... all system have english, chinese, spanish, etc. you must setup on system settings.

skelton

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2015, 11:40:15 am »
Thanks for the info about screen refresh rate. Seems that firmware have no issues then, so no need for custom firmwares either.
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eragon2890

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2015, 11:50:25 am »
Thanks for the info about screen refresh rate. Seems that firmware have no issues then, so no need for custom firmwares either.

If it's alzo stable :-)  i shall know soon, just bought it, 100 euro for a handheld with like twice the performance of a galaxy s5 is not bad...

nielo360 (OP)

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Re: GPD Q9 review in progress and issues.
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2015, 12:22:13 pm »

Melquiades

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Re: GPD Q9 Video Review With Emulation, Android tests.
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2015, 12:49:58 pm »
Wow, thanks for the review.

Unfortunately you are scaring the shit out of me. When I receive it I will use it for some weeks and then decide which one should I sell, this or the S7800B...

 

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