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Author Topic: disappointed with the GPD XD (with comparisons to the Nvidia Shield Portable)  (Read 22369 times)

eragon2890

  • Posts: 1887
Simple: people son?t compare this thing to the shield portable, but to the 3ds XL (also because of price range, and because it?s form factor)

In regargds to the shoulder and face buttons I think they tried to emulate the new 3ds XL. I mean, let?s be real, the buttons and shoulder buttons are the exact same size as those on the new 3ds XL, altough the shoulder buttonson the XD are actually much better, they are much much much less mushy.

In terms of ABXY buttons I would give the 3ds a *slight* advantage. Less mushy. just as small tough.

In terms of how solid it feels win goes to the XD without a doubt.

Screen is better on XD

Speakers are way better on XD

analogs are incomparably better on XD (two real joysticks versus one flat nub and a c-... thing)

XD has HDMI out

The hardware is a few dozen times faster so it has better graphics

android so it?s better for multimedia

l3/r3

the hinge is definitely better on the XD

dpad is a tiny tiny bit larger on the new 3ds XL but from experience I can tell you that the XD one feels much better, the new 3ds xl dpad rattles all the time (on every one I tried).

Better storage options. More storage built in and you can replace sd without taking it apart.

All-in-all I think it?s obvious why we rate it so high, especially considering most people compare it to a new 3ds XL. :-)

bitersnake

  • Posts: 244
I take the points made on this thread about the horrendous ergonomics of the device- I have stuck my neck out from its launch about how hard it can be initially to get properly used to the controls but I'm rather baffled at the quibbles about the performance of the XD.

Unless someone receives a bad unit (of which I don;t think are TOO many), I think the performance is perfectly adequate for just about anything you'd want to put the device through. Especially with emulation, I don;t see how you could fault the specs of the XD because like another poster here, I play Android games exclusively and own a dozen or so Android devices and have found the XD to be quite stable, snappy and hassle-free for all purposes and never had issues with any games.

Regards the controls setup-- I agree, they're a far cry from devices like the shiled portable or even the g5a in terms of usability but even as a non-hardcore, yet somewhat serious gamer, I grew perfectly comfortable with the controls after a while.

I think the key point here (and with any GPD/JXD Android gaming handheld) is portability. Of course these OEM will never manage to beat the price or specs on the mass-market Android phones + controller. Think of these as a novelty, perhaps?

radiohead14 (OP)

  • Posts: 68
::sigh::... and again... more issues. as you can see, there's a bad delay when pressing the directional buttons, and when it finally does register the press, it repeats the input twice or more times. the ABXY buttons are also having problems, sometimes not registering my press at all!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jw3gzWU2z8" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jw3gzWU2z8</a>

Chimera

  • Posts: 65
And again, you have a lemon. Return it and either get another or don't. The problems you're having are not common or we'd be hearing from a lot of other people with them.

radiohead14 (OP)

  • Posts: 68
And again, you have a lemon. Return it and either get another or don't. The problems you're having are not common or we'd be hearing from a lot of other people with them.

i already contacted willgoo regarding a return and full refund a day ago, but haven't heard back. another thing that's added to my frustration was that i bought a bundle.. but willgoo never sent the hardcase, decals, and lanyard. but that won't be an issue anymore if/once they respond to my request to send this damn thing back.

Chris23235

  • Posts: 603
::sigh::... and again... more issues. as you can see, there's a bad delay when pressing the directional buttons, and when it finally does register the press, it repeats the input twice or more times. the ABXY buttons are also having problems, sometimes not registering my press at all!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jw3gzWU2z8" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jw3gzWU2z8</a>

Which emulator? From the looks of it I would assume, that you use controls that you mapped with the mapper and not properly placed them on the screen. Did you use remapped touch controls or hardware mapped buttons in this video?

Overall, I am very satisfied with my GPD XD, many of the things people complain about are more about personal tastes then everything else, e.g. the D-Pad. I am perfectly fine with it, it's on par with the D-Pad of the New3DS. I personally prefer the D-Pad on the Vita which to me is the best D-Pad any handheld ever had, but I know there are many people who hate the Vita D-Pad. In the end the question is, is it possible to play games with the GPD XD D-Pad without problems? And from my experience that's perfectly the case.

@sere83
People don't say it's a cheap device so you shouldn't expect anything, they say that the XD is a fine product for it's price, that's something entirely different.

The device you came up with looks nice, but there is now way I would be willing to pay $225 for it.
I paid ?155 for my GPD XD your device would be ?207 and it would give me no benefits. No emulator would run better with 3 GB then with 2 GB, I would never use an Accelorometer, the 2200mAh battery would be a huge step back, the GPD XD comes with a 6000mAh battery and the AMOLED wouldn't make that difference up.

radiohead14 (OP)

  • Posts: 68

Which emulator? From the looks of it I would assume, that you use controls that you mapped with the mapper and not properly placed them on the screen. Did you use remapped touch controls or hardware mapped buttons in this video?

Overall, I am very satisfied with my GPD XD, many of the things people complain about are more about personal tastes then everything else, e.g. the D-Pad. I am perfectly fine with it, it's on par with the D-Pad of the New3DS. I personally prefer the D-Pad on the Vita which to me is the best D-Pad any handheld ever had, but I know there are many people who hate the Vita D-Pad. In the end the question is, is it possible to play games with the GPD XD D-Pad without problems? And from my experience that's perfectly the case.

emulator was retroarch - pcsxr. no mapping involved at all, and this was after a fresh data wipe of retroarch. it's not the emulator.. it's just the hardware itself being finnicky as it works fine sometimes. just scratching it up to cheap components.

i also have the vita, and yes.. the d-pad is much better, especially since it actually has a satisfying press.

varan77

  • Posts: 44
::sigh::... and again... more issues. as you can see, there's a bad delay when pressing the directional buttons, and when it finally does register the press, it repeats the input twice or more times. the ABXY buttons are also having problems, sometimes not registering my press at all!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jw3gzWU2z8" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jw3gzWU2z8</a>

This is problem with device. Lemon as they say. As for GPD XD in general, I am satisfied.
I bought it cause I am moving to UK from Croatia soon, and wont  be purchasing any computer/gaming device for some time till I buy
all the stuff for new apartment, kitchen, etc. So, tablet and GPD XD will be my main gaming devices for some time.
I will catch up some old games thath I missed on emulators:)

Chris23235

  • Posts: 603
emulator was retroarch - pcsxr. no mapping involved at all, and this was after a fresh data wipe of retroarch. it's not the emulator.. it's just the hardware itself being finnicky as it works fine sometimes. just scratching it up to cheap components.

i also have the vita, and yes.. the d-pad is much better, especially since it actually has a satisfying press.

Have you also deleted the previous mapping profile? Because whiping out the data from retroarch doesn't delete the profile from the mapping software?
« Last Edit: January 02, 2016, 10:26:54 am by Chris23235 »

shinkamui

  • Posts: 395
Retroarch is under heavy development.  It works pretty well on teh shield portable because nvidia donated a couple to the team and they've been working on directly ensuring control support.  I've been a fixture in #retroarch, getting some help and testing things on teh xd and shield tab and portable, and can tell you, there are legit bugs that they're constantly workign to fix.  I would recommend you run the nightlies on the xd, a lot of the UI control issues were fixed there, and some broken emu controls were also fixed at the time I was using the xd.  Performance wise, the xd is slow as crap at times, and i see major performance spikes periodically.  You and i must both have lemons...Or you and I are used to the solid performance of the shield portable :)

radiohead14 (OP)

  • Posts: 68

Have you also deleted the previous mapping profile? Because whiping out the data from retroarch doesn't delete the profile from the mapping software?

yes. this was also after a fresh firmware reinstall. went back down from 3.4.0 to 3.3.8. I never mapped anything.

radiohead14 (OP)

  • Posts: 68
Retroarch is under heavy development.  It works pretty well on teh shield portable because nvidia donated a couple to the team and they've been working on directly ensuring control support.  I've been a fixture in #retroarch, getting some help and testing things on teh xd and shield tab and portable, and can tell you, there are legit bugs that they're constantly workign to fix.  I would recommend you run the nightlies on the xd, a lot of the UI control issues were fixed there, and some broken emu controls were also fixed at the time I was using the xd.  Performance wise, the xd is slow as crap at times, and i see major performance spikes periodically.  You and i must both have lemons...Or you and I are used to the solid performance of the shield portable :)

the thing is tho.. it hasn't been just retroarch. the couple of times it took for this thing to boot up, the terrible wifi, and the shoddy buttons all add up to the bad experience. it's not worth it for me to keep this thing when I have a much reliable, more comfortable, better quality option with the shield.

eragon2890

  • Posts: 1887
Retroarch is under heavy development.  It works pretty well on teh shield portable because nvidia donated a couple to the team and they've been working on directly ensuring control support.  I've been a fixture in #retroarch, getting some help and testing things on teh xd and shield tab and portable, and can tell you, there are legit bugs that they're constantly workign to fix.  I would recommend you run the nightlies on the xd, a lot of the UI control issues were fixed there, and some broken emu controls were also fixed at the time I was using the xd.  Performance wise, the xd is slow as crap at times, and i see major performance spikes periodically.  You and i must both have lemons...Or you and I are used to the solid performance of the shield portable :)

the thing is tho.. it hasn't been just retroarch. the couple of times it took for this thing to boot up, the terrible wifi, and the shoddy buttons all add up to the bad experience. it's not worth it for me to keep this thing when I have a much reliable, more comfortable, better quality option with the shield.

But again, you don't have a lemon, no one else has seconds input delay and such.

Let alone files randomly deleting themselves. You have a broken, kaput, dead on arrival XD. Please don?t sell it - you?d be selling a 100% faulty product which is totally different from a normally working XD.

varan77

  • Posts: 44
But again, you don't have a lemon, no one else has seconds input delay and such.

Let alone files randomly deleting themselves. You have a broken, kaput, dead on arrival XD. Please don?t sell it - you?d be selling a 100% faulty product which is totally different from a normally working XD.

I agree with eragon. Everyone taste is different, but dont sell THAT specific device to anyone.

EddCoates

  • Posts: 30
Thanks for the summary!  I'm not too fussed at all about portability to be honest, just the comfort of using the device.  I bought a Linx Vision last week, but had to return it right away because the pad was making my hands ache :(  If the iPega is more ergonomic than the XD for streaming (easily reaching the shoulder buttons while using ABXY etc), then the performance would be a huge bonus :D  Which would you say is the most comfortable of the two?

It all depends.  I use the iPega and Shield mostly while sitting in bed, so I rest the tablet on my belly.  I'm 44, so I've got a little more of it now, than when I was 24. ;-)  The curved handles make for a comfortable hold, but it is a wide tablet, so your arms are spread out more.  It is a little heavier setup, using the two together, but nothing that will tire your arms.

As for the XD.  I really don't have any issues with the controls on it either.  I find that I need a little more elbow room, and I hold it a bit closer to me.  That's a given, since the screen is smaller.  That means I have to stretch my arms a little more often.  The XD does feel lighter.

I prefer the controls on the iPega over the XD, but neither one has poor controls.  In all honestly, both are pretty comfortable to use.  I don't really have a preference in that area.

Thanks!  Hmmm the portability of the XD would certainly be useful tbh.  Are there any deadzone/input lag issues with either pad?

radiohead14 (OP)

  • Posts: 68


But again, you don't have a lemon, no one else has seconds input delay and such.

Let alone files randomly deleting themselves. You have a broken, kaput, dead on arrival XD. Please don?t sell it - you?d be selling a 100% faulty product which is totally different from a normally working XD.

relax. everyone already knows how much you love this thing. you also missed the past two previous posts where i already said i've gotten in contact with willgoo to return this shoddy device.

shinkamui

  • Posts: 395
If you don't get a full refund, the newest version of retroarch is much improved.  I just installed todays nightly, and the new UI is great.  Controls also work out of the box, and they added support for adding cds to your libraries.   Still some clunky things happening with the controls that require a tab out and redetect, but I've already reached out on the irc chan to inquire into a fix.

Chimera

  • Posts: 65
the newest version of retroarch is much improved. 

Those that are using Retroarch, are you having to switch the gamepad to PS3 mode to get the controls to work?  I like Retroarch on the PC so would like to use it on the XD as well, but I don't like having to switch from Xbox to PS3 just to use the menu system of RA. 

ChrisRR

  • Posts: 52
the newest version of retroarch is much improved. 

Those that are using Retroarch, are you having to switch the gamepad to PS3 mode to get the controls to work?  I like Retroarch on the PC so would like to use it on the XD as well, but I don't like having to switch from Xbox to PS3 just to use the menu system of RA.
I've set up retroarch to work with the controls in xbox mode. You just have to run retroarch and the controller app at the same time and switch between the two.

Eg. Navigate the menus in ps3 mode and select the button to assign, then switch to the controller app,  select xbox mode.
Change back to retroarch and press the button to assign.
Then switch back to the controller app and switch to ps3.

You only need to do this for up, down and the A button and then you can navigate the rest of the menu in xbox mode to assign the rest of the buttons.

After you've assigned the buttons you can just run  in xbox mode all the time.

shinkamui

  • Posts: 395
Spoke with Radius from the retroarch team, going to test a fix he's making for our device specifically.  He said its related to having to hackishly support the gpd xd using a similar dual control driver for game controls and android hw buttons.  Should have the test code today, if it works will update you guys.  Should get pushed to nightlies very quickly as well.  If you're not on the nightlies, you're not doing yourself any favors.

 

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