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Author Topic: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?  (Read 17209 times)

knightron

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2016, 12:11:28 pm »
I don't think it's too bad. To be honest i had no idea what people meant by the word 'mushy' before i bought the thing. If i press on the center of the d-pad, it pushes down the d-pad slightly which leaves for the impression of a button push.

Other than that, i read somewhere that the button pads can become dislodged during manufacture easily due to flipping over the case when assembling the devices. When i make a right to left or vice versa movement with my XD, it registers an up direction push between them. Other than that, the two downward diagonals are very hard to accomplish. Because of these symptoms, I am fairly sure that the rubber pad is dislodged on my unit.

This is the first time reading this thread. I have purchased a wiimote from Ebay and will try out this mod when i crack open my XD to fix my issues.

indstr

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2016, 02:49:25 pm »
This is the first time reading this thread. I have purchased a wiimote from Ebay and will try out this mod when i crack open my XD to fix my issues.

Awesome, I also ordered a wii remote. It should get here about the same time as the XD. Since you're ahead of me here, let me know how your teardown goes!
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knightron

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2016, 06:39:53 am »
So yesterday i received my counterfeit Wiimote in the mail. Having never owned a Wii, i was unsure of what exactly to expect. I promptly opened the package so i could feel the d-pad to feel if it was to my liking. It was not...
Regardless, i had my mind set on opening my fairly new GPD XD so i could at least move the button rubbers under the d-pad, which i suspected had become dislodged from where they belonged.
First i opened up the Wiimote to remove the parts i may want, and then i opened an old Nintendo DSI my ex had broken, to remove its internals that i may want.
Finally i embraced my beloved GPD XD, turned off its power and placed it onto the operation table.
I was a little intimidated by Beldandy561's warning on the tear down thread:
http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/teardown-of-gpd-xd-system-(blue-32gb)-and-my-thoughts/
In the end I again DO NOT RECOMMEND taking your unit apart as the internals are VERY FRAGILE and even with my 20yrs of engineering skills and micro modding portables experience, I still managed to damage  minor stuff that i luckley could repair.

I've dissembled the Pandora, psp 1000, dsi and some other minor things. It was all done out of curiosity or for minor repairs. Maybe Beldandy561 tried disassembling his device drunk or something because i didn't think the GPD XD was too big of a deal.
I will agree that yeah the the plastic is fragile so if anyone else is thinking of pulling theirs apart, be gentle. i doubt the Nintendo 3ds and its variants would be any more sturdy to be honest though.
I happened to have an Iphone repair kit laying around:


and its little blue thing (not that stupid thing that looks like a Guitar pick) that's intended to ply the screen away from the iphone worked wonders for unclipping the clips on my XD.

Anyway, so despite not being particularly fond of the Wiimote's d-pad, i decided to trim its rubbers and install it anyway. After doing it the d-pad did feel more sturdy, but i actually preferred how it felt previously. Regardless i misplaced it and had to disassemble it again. Upon reassembly i recalled some other advice Beldandy561 had given:
I did have to take the unit apart about another 4 times, due to sticking x, y, a, b buttons after the initial teardown to minutely adjust the amount of preasure the main board screws were putting on the shell.  I had them to tight and not enough breath room for the button membrain to bounce back up.  after loosening equally all 8 screws to a mild hold but not firm or snug that solved that problem.
This is a big deal. I also had to do this. This was the reason my XD was reading an unpressed up direction press every time i'd go directly from left to right.
So in the end, yeah i've accepted the wiimote pad that i wasn't too impressed by, but only because the loosened screws fixed my issue. I'm not enthusiastic about having the thing apart, and since its now working right, why fix what's not broke, you know?


eragon2890

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2016, 08:39:11 am »
TO be honest, the new nintendo 3ds xl atleast *feels* a *lot* less sturdy then the XD. I mean, it's lighter, the plastic sqeaks and creaks, and that's without opening it. Grip it tightly, it will make creaking sounds. Also, one game site's review described opening the new 3ds XL (which you HAVE To do to replace the far to small 4 gb sd card, which is INSIDE the unit for some reason) as "the horrible sounds made by the extremely-fragile feeling plastic as we took of the back made us sure we were breaking the unit" or something to that effect. Plus the hinge flies around and the dpad moves around in the casing and is quite clicky - meaning that it click-clacks and wiggles as you move it. IT sucks. Also, depending on pure luck the screen may , or may not, move from left to right side by up to a few milimetres (or it might be super sturdy).

I have held a new 3ds XL, and it felt like a piece o-junk compared to my XD. And the dpad SUCKS for fighting games and such - because it constantly wiggles and click-clacks under your thumb. yuck.

The old 3ds XL I had felt way, way, better. Not sturdier then the XD, but about on the same level. I can't see that for the new ones tough.

eragon2890

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2016, 08:40:40 am »
Anyway, on topic, I have gotten used to the dpad and now I love it. It's incredibly quick, accurate, and comfortable to use even for say, 30 minutes of intensive fighting games. It works so good for me I don't even realize it's there while I am playing an intensive arcade fighting game or shooter - always a good sign. XD

So no reason to take it apart either XD

Chris23235

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2016, 09:37:55 am »
TO be honest, the new nintendo 3ds xl atleast *feels* a *lot* less sturdy then the XD. I mean, it's lighter, the plastic sqeaks and creaks, and that's without opening it. Grip it tightly, it will make creaking sounds. Also, one game site's review described opening the new 3ds XL (which you HAVE To do to replace the far to small 4 gb sd card, which is INSIDE the unit for some reason) as "the horrible sounds made by the extremely-fragile feeling plastic as we took of the back made us sure we were breaking the unit" or something to that effect. Plus the hinge flies around and the dpad moves around in the casing and is quite clicky - meaning that it click-clacks and wiggles as you move it. IT sucks. Also, depending on pure luck the screen may , or may not, move from left to right side by up to a few milimetres (or it might be super sturdy).

I have held a new 3ds XL, and it felt like a piece o-junk compared to my XD. And the dpad SUCKS for fighting games and such - because it constantly wiggles and click-clacks under your thumb. yuck.

The old 3ds XL I had felt way, way, better. Not sturdier then the XD, but about on the same level. I can't see that for the new ones tough.

I have a New3DS XL and the first thing I did was change the MicroSD card. I had no problem removing the backplate, the plate can be easily removed with two screws. No problem here, just shows me that the average journalist shouldn't be trusted with such a task. As much as I love my GPD XD, the built quality of the N3DSXL (can't say anything about the non XL version) is vastly superior.
This starts with the hinge that has a nice multiple point click mechanism to keep the screen in the right postion, while the GPD XD has a hinge that is not even as good as the one on the DS Lite was. The overall feel of the New3DS XL is - at least in my opinion - very sturdy.
Additionally removing the backplate of the 3DS reveals it's greatest advantage over the GPD XD, a removable battery. I hate the fact, that all my china devices will become non portable trash because of their built in, non replacable batteries (same goes for my PS Vita, don't know what Sony was thinking).

eragon2890

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2016, 11:03:52 am »
TO be honest, the new nintendo 3ds xl atleast *feels* a *lot* less sturdy then the XD. I mean, it's lighter, the plastic sqeaks and creaks, and that's without opening it. Grip it tightly, it will make creaking sounds. Also, one game site's review described opening the new 3ds XL (which you HAVE To do to replace the far to small 4 gb sd card, which is INSIDE the unit for some reason) as "the horrible sounds made by the extremely-fragile feeling plastic as we took of the back made us sure we were breaking the unit" or something to that effect. Plus the hinge flies around and the dpad moves around in the casing and is quite clicky - meaning that it click-clacks and wiggles as you move it. IT sucks. Also, depending on pure luck the screen may , or may not, move from left to right side by up to a few milimetres (or it might be super sturdy).

I have held a new 3ds XL, and it felt like a piece o-junk compared to my XD. And the dpad SUCKS for fighting games and such - because it constantly wiggles and click-clacks under your thumb. yuck.

The old 3ds XL I had felt way, way, better. Not sturdier then the XD, but about on the same level. I can't see that for the new ones tough.

I have a New3DS XL and the first thing I did was change the MicroSD card. I had no problem removing the backplate, the plate can be easily removed with two screws. No problem here, just shows me that the average journalist shouldn't be trusted with such a task. As much as I love my GPD XD, the built quality of the N3DSXL (can't say anything about the non XL version) is vastly superior.
This starts with the hinge that has a nice multiple point click mechanism to keep the screen in the right postion, while the GPD XD has a hinge that is not even as good as the one on the DS Lite was. The overall feel of the New3DS XL is - at least in my opinion - very sturdy.
Additionally removing the backplate of the 3DS reveals it's greatest advantage over the GPD XD, a removable battery. I hate the fact, that all my china devices will become non portable trash because of their built in, non replacable batteries (same goes for my PS Vita, don't know what Sony was thinking).

Youre right about the battery, altough i want to note its a great one - i never turn it off and use it for ~6 hours per day for ~8 months now, it has gone trough more then 100 full cycles, and it still lasts exactly as long as in th beginning - just over 8 hours playing gta san andreas at max brightness with wif on. So i am not that worried.

The hinge can be used in *any* position abd it wont even in public trnsport which is a good thing in my book... I like the lack of locks XD i have probably closed and opened it a 1000 times by now without any issues.

And anyway the screen, analogs, shoulder buttons and hardware power are objectively better too....

I do think my vita is more solid then my xd too, not by far tough.

My ranking PS vita > gpd xd >>>>>> 3ds. In terms of usage: gpd xd >>>>>>>> vita (which i got in return for my 3ds, so....)

Chris23235

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2016, 01:35:55 pm »
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Youre right about the battery, altough i want to note its a great one - i never turn it off and use it for ~6 hours per day for ~8 months now, it has gone trough more then 100 full cycles, and it still lasts exactly as long as in th beginning - just over 8 hours playing gta san andreas at max brightness with wif on. So i am not that worried.

The battery is great, but even the greatest battery has a limited life cycle and when this cycle is over the device will become electronic waste. After about 2000 loading cycles the battery life will be reduced by 75% no matter what kind of battery the device has.

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The hinge can be used in *any* position abd it wont even in public trnsport which is a good thing in my book... I like the lack of locks XD i have probably closed and opened it a 1000 times by now without any issues.

But there is only a limited number of positions in which the device is usable. Never had a problem with my N3DSXL nor with my GPD XD in public transport. If there isn't enough room to open the device fully, there is also not enough room to use the device in any way at all.

But in the end it's all a matter of personal taste, I just found your remark the N3DS XL feels "like a piece o-junk compared to my XD" a little bit over the top.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2016, 01:38:28 pm by Chris23235 »

eragon2890

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2016, 03:07:27 pm »
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Youre right about the battery, altough i want to note its a great one - i never turn it off and use it for ~6 hours per day for ~8 months now, it has gone trough more then 100 full cycles, and it still lasts exactly as long as in th beginning - just over 8 hours playing gta san andreas at max brightness with wif on. So i am not that worried.

The battery is great, but even the greatest battery has a limited life cycle and when this cycle is over the device will become electronic waste. After about 2000 loading cycles the battery life will be reduced by 75% no matter what kind of battery the device has.

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The hinge can be used in *any* position abd it wont even in public trnsport which is a good thing in my book... I like the lack of locks XD i have probably closed and opened it a 1000 times by now without any issues.

But there is only a limited number of positions in which the device is usable. Never had a problem with my N3DSXL nor with my GPD XD in public transport. If there isn't enough room to open the device fully, there is also not enough room to use the device in any way at all.

But in the end it's all a matter of personal taste, I just found your remark the N3DS XL feels "like a piece o-junk compared to my XD" a little bit over the top.

So after 6 years of using a full cycle every day it will only last 2-3 hours gaming? Sorry but that does not seem like a real problem Xd

Chris23235

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2016, 03:25:09 pm »
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So after 6 years of using a full cycle every day it will only last 2-3 hours gaming? Sorry but that does not seem like a real problem Xd

To me it is a problem, because it possibly renders an otherwise functional device useless. I love my Dingoo and would use it much more, if it was not for it's dead battery. I bought the device in 2009 and it is still a great device.

alyinsanfran

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2016, 08:30:43 pm »
Anyway, on topic, I have gotten used to the dpad and now I love it. It's incredibly quick, accurate, and comfortable to use even for say, 30 minutes of intensive fighting games. It works so good for me I don't even realize it's there while I am playing an intensive arcade fighting game or shooter - always a good sign. XD

So no reason to take it apart either XD

I agree. Mine was a little reluctant to register a couple of diagonals, until I started playing through Final Doom on PS1. After a few weeks of daily sessions it's working perfectly. I can see that it could be considered mushy when compared with some other Dpads but for me it's ideal. As long as it's responsive I don't care what it feels like.

indstr

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2016, 02:39:48 am »
So yesterday i received my counterfeit Wiimote in the mail.
I've dissembled the Pandora, psp 1000, dsi and some other minor things. It was all done out of curiosity or for minor repairs. Maybe Beldandy561 tried disassembling his device drunk or something because i didn't think the GPD XD was too big of a deal.
So in the end, yeah i've accepted the wiimote pad that i wasn't too impressed by, but only because the loosened screws fixed my issue. I'm not enthusiastic about having the thing apart, and since its now working right, why fix what's not broke, you know?

Awesome info man, you're making me feel a lot more secure about opening mine! It's still not here in the mail yet, but it got from Shenzen to NYC, so it should be here in the next day or two.

I wonder though if yours didn't work well because you got a "counterfeit wiimote". I got an official wiimote. Hoping it will make all the difference   :)
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indstr

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2016, 08:38:29 pm »
My XD is here, and I love everything about it, EXCEPT the D-Pad. "Spongy" is absolutely the right word. Just feels like there is a sponge under it instead of something substantial. The analogs are amazing, the screen is amazing, battery life is great, plays all games wonderfully.

Now time to do some surgery. I'll report back afterwards   :)
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indstr

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2016, 12:17:19 am »
Just a quick update, I tried to bust into it the other day and I couldn't find the right size screwdriver! I had one too small, and one too big. I had a huge pack that I got from China a while back, but the case broke and I don't remember where I put all the bits   :(

I'll work on it later this week, but I really hope I don't break a ribbon cable or something and render it useless   :(
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Panja

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2016, 08:36:49 am »
Good luck and keep us posted!

indstr

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2016, 04:21:19 pm »
So I found some precision screwdrivers for $1 at Dollar General and cracked my xd open a few days ago. I loosely followed the instructions from the teardown thread although I didn't stick a paperclip in the mic hole. Opening went smoothly and nothing broke. I was a little concerned because I had to disconnect 3 ribbon cables... I have broken one on my xperia play before, so I just did it slowly and carefully. Once I got the Wii's d-pad membrane in I just did a quick feel check and knew I made the right decision. Putting back together was easy too...

Now the d-pad has a lot better tactile feedback. It's still not 100% perfect, it's a bit stiff, but it is so much better and I am hoping the stiffness goes away as I break it in.

All in all, very much worth it!!
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indstr

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2016, 07:09:41 am »
Just wanted to give a little update, in case this comes up in a google search, and in case you guys didn't see my other thread.

I switched out the original Wii membrane with one from a "Rock Candy" Wii controller, and it's even better! This is definitely my recommended GPD XD D-Pad mod!

More details here:

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/gpd-xd-the-search-for-d-pad-perfection-%28tm%29/msg143321/#msg143321
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knightron

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2016, 05:21:11 am »
I am not happy with my wiimot mod either. It's an improvement, but i also feel it could be better. I am currently awaiting for a 3ds xl button set in the mail to try out. Perhaps i'm fussy though, i've grown used to the exquisite Pandora d-pad, and anything else is usually inferior.

indstr

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Re: Anybody modified/fixed the D-pad on the XD yet?
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2016, 05:36:16 am »
I am not happy with my wiimot mod either. It's an improvement, but i also feel it could be better. I am currently awaiting for a 3ds xl button set in the mail to try out. Perhaps i'm fussy though, i've grown used to the exquisite Pandora d-pad, and anything else is usually inferior.

I'm fussy too   :)    Let us know how the 3ds xl mod goes!

Never had the chance to play a Pandora, you're in an exclusive club there   :)
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