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Title: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on June 30, 2018, 06:57:51 pm
Hello,

Anyone here tested this tablet gamepad on Windows? Does it support xinput?

I know that there are software workarounds to convert dinput to xinput, but I have the old Ipega and it's a pain.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: Pleng on August 03, 2018, 04:21:50 am
I have the iPega-9076. I don't know if the 9083 works in the same way or not, so can only share my experiences with my model.

The 9076 supports xInput on windows, but defaults to a PS3 controller. You have to hold down turbo for 3 seconds after connection to switch it to switch it to xInput mode.

The 9076 doesn't support connection to a PC via Bluetooth, however. Bluetooth work when connection to Android devices, but to connect to a PC you need to either use a cable, or the built in 2.4Ghz wireless receiver.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on August 03, 2018, 02:46:16 pm
Hello,

Anyone here tested this tablet gamepad on Windows? Does it support xinput?

I know that there are software workarounds to convert dinput to xinput, but I have the old Ipega and it's a pain.

Thanks!

Which ipega gamepad do you have?

I just purchased an ipega PG-9083 from eBay yesterday, so hopefully I'll receive it next week. I'll let you know after I've tested it.
I'm also planning to buy a ipega PG-9023 from a mate of mine on Sunday.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on August 05, 2018, 06:55:09 pm
Which ipega gamepad do you have?

I have the ipega PG-9023, which is the previous tablet gamepad they've made.

Anyway, I've been told on discord that even the PG-9083 doesn't support xinput in BT mode, it does only in USB mode.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on August 05, 2018, 10:09:33 pm
Ah ok, I didn't know that.
How come I always see the PG-9023 on YouTube being the primary ipega gamepad controller for Windows tablet users? Every video​ I've ever watched show the input controls of the PG-9023 working perfectly on Windows games, as well as emulators.

Btw, I have PG-9023 now but can't test it until I have a decent Windows PC/laptop or device to test it on.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on August 06, 2018, 12:44:11 pm
How come I always see the PG-9023 on YouTube being the primary ipega gamepad controller for Windows tablet users?

Well, maybe because it's the only tablet gamepad on the market... Also, there are tools to convert dinput to xinput, it's a pain and you have to setup each game everytime, but it does works. Also, some old games / emulators work with dinput natively.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: siegel17701 on September 03, 2018, 04:26:41 pm
Which ipega gamepad do you have?

I have the ipega PG-9023, which is the previous tablet gamepad they've made.

Anyway, I've been told on discord that even the PG-9083 doesn't support xinput in BT mode, it does only in USB mode.
USB mode? Doesn this mean it will work wired?

I have been in search for a telescoping wired gampad, there is nothing out there.

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Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: LordDavon on September 04, 2018, 10:05:14 am
USB mode? Doesn this mean it will work wired?

I have been in search for a telescoping wired gampad, there is nothing out there.

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It looks like it is D_INPUT via bluetooth and X_INPUT when wired.  You can download the manual here: http://m.ipega.hk/uploads/201806/5b2c968ea6f80.pdf
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: siegel17701 on September 04, 2018, 10:39:22 am
Hopefully someone on this forum tries it wired, because I don't need another Bluetooth gamepad.

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Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on September 09, 2018, 05:27:50 pm
USB mode? Doesn this mean it will work wired?

I just got the Ipega PG 9083 for my Surface GO. I can confirm that it works in xinput mode via USB and dinput via Bluetooth.

I've installed a hacky driver to convert dinput to xinput system wide, and now my gamepad don't work in Bluetooth at all even after deinstallation... So I'm stuck in wired mode now -.-

It's crazy that there isn't a single tablet gamepad on the market that works in xinput via Bluetooth -.- Actually, I know of only 2 tablet gamepad on the whole market - and I have both now... Are there any other alternative I'm missing?
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: siegel17701 on September 09, 2018, 11:11:53 pm
Baka, that is good news. Now I have to find a good price and a device to use it with.

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Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 01:56:40 am
@baka-neko

Does it fit on the GO well?
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on September 10, 2018, 02:10:12 pm
Does it fit on the GO well?

It fit perfectly in Bluetooth mode, but the USB type C connector is slightly covered by the gamepad so I have to move it a bit up when used in USB mode - still usable though.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 03:37:13 pm
Awesome! Can you take a pic of it please, I want to see it moved up (when on USB mode), like you mention.
Also, take a pic of it when on BT mode please.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on September 10, 2018, 06:03:23 pm
Awesome! Can you take a pic of it please, I want to see it moved up (when on USB mode), like you mention.
Also, take a pic of it when on BT mode please.

Here you go :)

(https://i.imgur.com/qyjhf9R.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jpqi6Gx.png)
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 07:55:58 pm
Awesome! Can you take a pic of it please, I want to see it moved up (when on USB mode), like you mention.
Also, take a pic of it when on BT mode please.

Here you go :)

(https://i.imgur.com/qyjhf9R.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jpqi6Gx.png)

Thanks mate, much appreciated :)

(https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Dear-God-Its-Beautiful-Zoolander-Mugatu.gif)
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: siegel17701 on September 10, 2018, 08:11:30 pm
for the price and what i want to do with it I waiting for a few more gameplay videos. then I will probably pull the trigger.

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Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 08:19:45 pm
@siegel17701

RE: Microsoft Surface GO?
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: siegel17701 on September 10, 2018, 08:25:25 pm
@siegel17701

RE: Microsoft Surface GO?
yup,   I've looked at the Surface Go, Gole1, Mix Plus... etc... trying find a switch format alternative to the Clamshell GPD.

I love the power of GPD but I have carpell tunnel and get hand cramps from that form factor.

I have an Ipega 9023, but I been looking for a wired alternative.

Ipega 9083 and a tablet might do me for a while til some company thinks of people like me. unfortunately might be a long wait.

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Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 08:43:20 pm
Oh, sorry to hear about your carpell tunnel :(
Also, please make sure to get the 8GB RAM version of Surface GO.

Btw, I can't afford a Surface GO (yet?), so tomorrow I've decided to buy a brand new ALLDOCUBE Mix Plus from a local seller.
Even though, it's a poor man's (only has 4GB of RAM :(  ) Surface GO, I'm still excited and can't wait to get my hands on it!!
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: siegel17701 on September 10, 2018, 08:50:20 pm
Ive seen nothing but good from cube mix plus. I'm sure you would love it. And the price is good. I like the cube keyboard alot better.

I have to import the cube, that is why I don't have one. Although if i would have ordered it a month ago I would have it now

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Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 08:53:16 pm
The Surface GO is a little bit better, so you will definitely be happy :)
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on September 10, 2018, 09:04:47 pm
[EDIT] My tablet was in "Balanced mode", hence the terrible performance. Please discard my post bellow :D

Personally, I don't recommend the Surface GO for gaming.

I though that the Pentium Gold they're using is fast enough - comparable to the Core M3 of the Win2, well, it is not.

I've tested one of the games I'm working on on it, and the performance is terrible.

On the Win2, the game runs in 720p Medium quality, around 20-30 fps.
On the Surface GO, in 500p Very Low quality, around 5-10 fps.

It is REALLY slow, probably because it is at 4.5w TDP max, but not only. I've also found by trying a few software that I've made, including the front-end you've seen on the previous shots: It doesn't support AVX at all! No AVX1 nor 2.

Feels more like an Atom to me, might be even slower than the Win1 in practice due to the low TDP.

I've also tried drawing on this thing using Photoshop CC - which was one of the reasons I got this tablet. Well, impossible to do any serious drawing on it, way too much lag.

In the end, I'm just using it in portrait mode all the time for reading magazines and such, even retro gaming / PC streaming etc. is a pain as I need to connect it wired to the Ipega gamepad - I'll just stick to the Win2 for that.

Anyway, I'm very disappointed by this device. By the way, I have the 8GB version.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: siegel17701 on September 10, 2018, 09:11:31 pm
Baka, wow that is comprehensive. Thanks! Helps alot.

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Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 09:38:19 pm
@baka-neko

Thanks for your detailed analysis...but all of Josher's Surface GO, (8GB) YouTube vids (see my link) says otherwise (shows Surface GO is amazing at playing PC, AAA titles/games) and some vids have Zer0 dislikes.

https://m.youtube.com/user/josher14/videos
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on September 10, 2018, 09:54:31 pm
Thanks for your detailed analysis...but all of Josher's Surface GO, (8GB) YouTube vids (see my link) says otherwise (shows Surface GO is amazing at playing PC, AAA titles/games) and some vids have Zer0 dislikes.

Thanks for the info. Well I don't know, I've just tried one game (mine) and I'm using the stock drivers - didn't try to optimize anything.

I might give it a second chance updating the GPU driver and trying more games.

Small update: I was finally able to fix the Bluetooth issue I had. Now my Ipega gamepad works again in Bluetooth (in dinput).

Update #2: I've just noticed that my tablet was in "Balanced" mode in Windows Mobility Center. I'm pretty sure this is why the performance was terrible. Sorry guys :D
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 10:00:43 pm
Yeah, Performance mode is always the best :D

Also, make sure to use normal mode, as S-Mode sucks, big time!
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on September 10, 2018, 10:35:27 pm
Yep, so that was the issue. I've switched to "High Performance" mode and tried my game again: Now it behave as it should - similar to the GPD Win2.

Pro TIP: To have access to the "High Performance" mode - which is hidden by default, you need to launch "regedit.exe" and set "CsEnabled" to 0 in the path "HKey_Local_Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power".

I'll try a bit of Photoshop CC next ;D
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 10, 2018, 11:42:02 pm
Thanks for the pro tip, mate :)
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: SONY on September 13, 2018, 12:47:01 pm
Ive seen nothing but good from cube mix plus. I'm sure you would love it.

You're absolutely right! I Love it and I feel like I'm in gaming heaven now *tears of joy* :'(
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: Faust on September 21, 2018, 01:15:21 pm
[EDIT] My tablet was in "Balanced mode", hence the terrible performance. Please discard my post bellow :D

Personally, I don't recommend the Surface GO for gaming.

I though that the Pentium Gold they're using is fast enough - comparable to the Core M3 of the Win2, well, it is not.

I've tested one of the games I'm working on on it, and the performance is terrible.

On the Win2, the game runs in 720p Medium quality, around 20-30 fps.
On the Surface GO, in 500p Very Low quality, around 5-10 fps.

It is REALLY slow, probably because it is at 4.5w TDP max, but not only. I've also found by trying a few software that I've made, including the front-end you've seen on the previous shots: It doesn't support AVX at all! No AVX1 nor 2.

Feels more like an Atom to me, might be even slower than the Win1 in practice due to the low TDP.

I've also tried drawing on this thing using Photoshop CC - which was one of the reasons I got this tablet. Well, impossible to do any serious drawing on it, way too much lag.

In the end, I'm just using it in portrait mode all the time for reading magazines and such, even retro gaming / PC streaming etc. is a pain as I need to connect it wired to the Ipega gamepad - I'll just stick to the Win2 for that.

Anyway, I'm very disappointed by this device. By the way, I have the 8GB version.
Hi friend, I really like your front-end, mind to share it?

For josher's performance you need an external fan which kills the purpose.

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Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: baka-neko on September 21, 2018, 05:00:58 pm
Hi friend, I really like your front-end, mind to share it?

Thanks! It is currently still work in progress and lacking some important features, I plan to share it on my website when ready.

For josher's performance you need an external fan which kills the purpose.

Actually the performance of the Surface GO isn't bad at all. Please discard my previous post about my day one testing, I think the tablet was in low power mode so obviously the perf was really bad.

I've tested the tablet after that and it is actually good enough, a bit slower than my Win2 (which is at 8.25w + undervolt - XTU don't work on the Surface GO) but it still feel fast enough.
Title: Re: Ipega PG 9083 : Xinput on Windows?
Post by: Faust on September 21, 2018, 05:10:35 pm
Hi friend, I really like your front-end, mind to share it?

Thanks! It is currently still work in progress and lacking some important features, I plan to share it on my website when ready.

For josher's performance you need an external fan which kills the purpose.

Actually the performance of the Surface GO isn't bad at all. Please discard my previous post about my day one testing, I think the tablet was in low power mode so obviously the perf was really bad.

I've tested the tablet after that and it is actually good enough, a bit slower than my Win2 (which is at 8.25w + undervolt - XTU don't work on the Surface GO) but it still feel fast enough.
Oh of course I'm sure it has good performances, I was just replying to Sony about Josher's videos, Josher is using an external fan, so the performances he is showing doesn't show reality.

It's like using the Gpd win 2 set to 15watts while plugged to the power supply, and showing power hungry games that runs amazingly well.

It's not supposed to be used with 15watts just like surface Go isn't supposed to be used with an external fan.