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Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« on: May 03, 2011, 11:04:52 pm »
I remember that there was a topic with the same title as this one, but it was about the various Dingoo A320 manufacturers. I'm a bit confused too, hence the title.

There are a few interesting other portable consoles like our beloved Dingoo A320. As far as I'm concerned these are the:
  • Gemei A330 (aka 'Dingoo A330EX') w/o wireless inter-connectivity its called: 'Gemei Fashion' aka the '$68 Gemei A330' from DelaExtrreme.
  • Dingoo Technology A330
  • Dingoo Technology A380

To me that's very confusing: no less than 3 models are called "A330" and a few claim the 'Dingoo' name again. I'll try to list what I know and what I'd like to know. I'd like verification from you about the things marked in red.


1. The Gemei A330
  • Also known as/sold as: 'Dingoo A330EX' (DealExtreme).
  • Without the wireless inter-Gemei connection it is also sold. For a cheaper price! Then it is called the 'Gemei Fashion' or simply 'Gemei A330' (DealExtreme) too.
  • You can buy it at: Dingoo dig. USA, Focalprice.com or DealExtreme. It costs about $95-100. The cheaper version w/o the wireless inter-connection can be bought at DealExtreme for $68.
  • You can play against each other with two GA330's that support wireless inter-connectivity (i.e. the expensive GA330's). No other peripherals (like a joypad) can be connected to an GA330.
  • Info on the 'net: Dingoowiki and GBAtemp.
  • No NeoGeo probs. like the Dingoo Tech. A330 and the "HK" Dingoo 320's have.

2. The Dingoo technology A330
 
  • It looks like a PSP though 90% of its hardware is the same as the old Dingoo A320. Only addition seems to be the wireless receptor for one, and only one, controller and 64 MB of ram instead of 32 MB.
  • A wireless controller can be bought (the F16) that connects to it. No other peripherals connect to it. See Dingoo.hk for the controller. Unfortunately it does not allow you to play 2 person games. It's only meant to pay games via your TV more easily.
  • You used to be able to buy it via Dingoo Dig. USA, but they don't sell it anymore. On the GBAtemp review page there are links at the top right of sellers that still do. I do not know if there trustworthy though...
  • It appears to be backwards compatible w/ the A320's native firmware (be it the "HK" version (??)) according to GBAatemp's review.
  • It can run a 64 MB int. mem. supported version Dingux which, for example, can be downloaded from GBAtemp here. It appears to be fully backwards compatibe w/ all Dingux applications that have been available to us for so long. See reply No. 6 in this here topic.
  • There's a very large review at GBAtemp of it.
  • Suffers from the same garbled sprites NeoGeo issues as the so-called "HK" Dingoo A320's in the native OS.
  • Price: the handheld ~$100 and the wireless controller $21.50-30.

3. The Dingoo Technology A380
  • Looks like the old Dingoo A320 but w/ better build quality. Screen is larger too. It's 400x240 pixels instead of the old 320x240.
  • Can be bought from the trustworthy Dingoo Digital USA. It costs about $100. [edit, 29-5-2011] I must have been mistaken, or DX withdrew this device. It seems like the A380 is socalled "vapourware"
  • Some were sold by Electronix Mart that appeared to be prototypes. Those did not function very well and could be exchanged.
  • There's no review of it at GBAtemp.
  • It too can be connected to the wireless F16 controller. To two of them no less. It allows for 2 player gameplay according to the Dingoo Tech site..
  • A custom version of Dingux runs on it (see this topic, reply 5 by Zear). Dingux applications have to be recompiled to run on this device because it has a different CPU. Some developers in the community have discovered that certain elements of the OS and/or software has been copied from the scene without respecting licences. Therefore they are thinking of not supporting the machine. See this Dingoonity topic.
  • An SDK is released for it (see this site). Hope it is usable. Previous SDK's for other systems were in Chinese: not a lot of people understood how to use it.


All in all the Gemei A330 "light" (w/o wireless) seems like a nice sucessor to the Dingoo, but there's no Linux/Dingux for it. There appears to be a SDK but not many custom applications have appeard as of yet.
The Dingoo Tech. A380 seemed a very promising platform for a while because of its out-of-the-box dingux support. As of yet, imho, that promise has not resulted in a whole lot of ported apps. yet. Correct me if I'm wrong... But the possibility to upgrade it w/ a wireless controller for two player fun is irresistible.  ;)
And what about a 2nd hand PSP now that Sony intrduces its all new and improved PSP-phone thingy? Because, if I'm not mistaken, a lot of the emulators that were ported to the Dingoo/Dingux were developed for the PSP. Not? One might be better of w/ a $100 2nd had PSP(slim) than w/ a $100 Chinese Dingoo like machine...

The really depressing part is that most developers have other priorities now (read: lost interest) than programming for these nice cheap and promising devices. Hence, I'm afraid that we'll have to live with the omission of some of the things that we hoped for in the beginning like MAME for the GA330, a real port of Linux/Dingux to one of the devices etc. This also has to do with the absence of proper SDK's.

[edit, 29 June 2011] In the DT-A380 section merged the two Dingux bullets.[/list][/list]
« Last Edit: August 09, 2011, 12:49:05 pm by Meneer Jansen »
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SilverhawkBR

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 11:48:50 pm »
This should be stickied.

Kryptofacist

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2011, 04:54:39 am »

1. The Gemei A330
Some were sold by Electronix Mart that appeared to be prototypes. Those did not function very well and could be exchanged. verivication needed

This one belongs in the A380 section.


2. The Dingoo technology A330

A wireless controller can be bought (the F16) that connects to it. No other peripherals connect to it. See Dingoo.hk for the controller. It allows you to play 2 person games.

I am not 100% on this, but I am pretty sure you can only do single player, even with the controller.


Nice work! I second the motion to sticky.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2011, 04:58:10 am by Kryptofacist »
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Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011, 01:48:58 pm »

1. The Gemei A330
Some were sold by Electronix Mart that appeared to be prototypes. Those did not function very well and could be exchanged. verivication needed

This one belongs in the A380 section.


2. The Dingoo technology A330

A wireless controller can be bought (the F16) that connects to it. No other peripherals connect to it. See Dingoo.hk for the controller. It allows you to play 2 person games.

I am not 100% on this, but I am pretty sure you can only do single player, even with the controller.


Nice work! I second the motion to sticky.
Thank you very much for the verification/correction! I adjusted it in my 1st post. :) About the extra controller and 2 player games: I might be misteken/confused w/ the LetColl Gamestation. What would be the point of extra controllers w/o the possibility of playing aganst a friend? Oh well...
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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 02:01:58 pm »
  • A wireless controller can be bought (the F16) that connects to it. No other peripherals connect to it. See Dingoo.hk for the controller. It allows you to play 2 person games.

The controller for the Dingoo Digital A330 does NOT allow you to play 2 player games. Once connected, it overrides the main controls for the console and you cannot use the wireless controller and the console independently, nor can you hook up 2 wireless controllers to the console.

All it allows you to do is play more comfortably via the TV-out function.

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 02:15:26 pm »
  • A wireless controller can be bought (the F16) that connects to it. No other peripherals connect to it. See Dingoo.hk for the controller. It allows you to play 2 person games.

The controller for the Dingoo Digital A330 does NOT allow you to play 2 player games. Once connected, it overrides the main controls for the console and you cannot use the wireless controller and the console independently, nor can you hook up 2 wireless controllers to the console.

All it allows you to do is play more comfortably via the TV-out function.
You too: thank you very much for your help with this. :) I'm all but sure that the Dingoo Tech. A380 doesn't allow for 2 player fun either. But I'll wait for some verification. And I'll start reading the GBAtemp review very meticulously.
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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 02:36:27 pm »
Is it fully compatibe w/ all Dingx applications?

I have the DT-A330. I've tried most things on it. I'm pretty certain everything works.

You should mention that, with the right bootloader and kernel, it has 64MB of RAM to use in Dingux.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2011, 02:43:18 pm by Jesse »

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 03:01:20 pm »
So if the A380 has no SDK and a different CPU from the A320, why/how has Dingux been ported to it, and more importantly why NOT to the GA330?  ???

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 03:15:25 pm »
Is it fully compatibe w/ all Dingx applications?

I have the DT-A330. I've tried most things on it. I'm pretty certain everything works.

You should mention that, with the right bootloader and kernel, it has 64MB of RAM to use in Dingux.
Thank you very much. :) As of the time of writing: I am editing A LOT in my 1 st post (15:30 to 17:00 hrs. continental Eurpean time CET). My sincere apologies if I copy-pasted some in fo on the wrong place...
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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 03:20:39 pm »
So if the A380 has no SDK and a different CPU from the A320, why/how has Dingux been ported to it, and more importantly why NOT to the GA330?  ???
Dingux/Linux was not ported the the DTA380 by the community but rather used ("lended" from the community) to use as firmware by the manufacturers themselves. The manufacturers, or 3rd party developers, seem to have "leaked" the SDK which is completely in Chinese. Therefore it appeared very difficult, for the mainy American and European hobby/community based Dingux developers, to compile anything with is. Some say that it is not a full blown SDK. At least, that's the impression that I get. But I may be (and probably am) completely wrong. Input, verification and clarification needed... :)
« Last Edit: May 04, 2011, 03:28:03 pm by Meneer Jansen »
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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 04:38:32 pm »
Doesn't the A380 allow multiplayer through a wireless connection between 2 consoles? Also, doesn't it have a gyro in it for motion sensing capabilities?

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 06:54:03 pm »
Doesn't the A380 allow multiplayer through a wireless connection between 2 consoles? Also, doesn't it have a gyro in it for motion sensing capabilities?
I think you're right on both remarks. I'll wait for verification. As for the motion sensing: isn't it so that only native specially made games work with that? I don't think that any classic games will benefit from it.
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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2011, 08:12:16 pm »
You don't speak about the Gemei A380 ;)
« Last Edit: May 04, 2011, 08:14:18 pm by Ayla »

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2011, 08:18:19 pm »
As for the motion sensing: isn't it so that only native specially made games work with that? I don't think that any classic games will benefit from it.

Maybe WarioWare : Twisted?  great little game...

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2011, 10:13:06 pm »
The DT A380 motion sensing or "g-sensor" works with the native emulators.  Activate it in the system settings and pick a game, then hold the unit so it's back is parallel to the ground, this is where it seems centered, then tilt it down and to the left to simulate the left button of the d-pad being pressed, down and to the right for the right button and so on.  I tested it with Outrun and Afterburner II for the Genesis worked decently enough.  Then I tried it with a non-driving/flying game, Sonic 2.  Which I found pretty interesting and challenging.  I found myself playing through the first four levels without touching the d-pad.  I also tried Marble Madness but I didn't get all that far.

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2011, 05:09:24 pm »
Added the following remark to my top post:
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[edit, 29-5-2011] I must have been mistaken, or DX withdrew this device. It seems like the A380 is socalled "vapourware"
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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2011, 12:48:57 pm »
[edit, 29 June 2011] In the DT-A380 section merged the two Dingux bullies.
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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2011, 12:52:42 pm »
Sorry guys for not caring about dingoonity lately. It was nice to be with you, and maybe I'll come back, but not now...

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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2011, 02:34:47 pm »
SDK is now avaliable (http://www.dingoo.hk/en_service.asp?classid=4).
And sdk for the Dingoo Technology A380 that is. ;) Added link and info to my top post.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 02:41:43 pm by Meneer Jansen »
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Re: Trying to clear up the confusion too...
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2011, 02:45:54 pm »
One "w" is missing in the a380 SDK link.
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