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Other Portable Consoles => Gemei A330 => Topic started by: RoseLi-Chinavasion on September 01, 2010, 09:36:53 am
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The new Gemei A330 is coming soon to Chinavasion, so keep your eyes peeled!
It will have an updated interface and a much sturdier and cooler-looking design. More details to follow...
(http://blog.chinavasion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/DSC_0085.jpg)
(http://blog.chinavasion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/DSC_0088.jpg)
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Very cool indeed, I've been waiting for this. Any news on expected price/features?
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cpu? clockspeed? ram? software?
what can it do that the dingoo can't already do?
and how come this is gemei branded? dingoo said they would be branding it... they also said it wouldnt be released before their updated version of the a320 was released.
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i think it's the other way around, chinachip makes the boards and sells em to companies (like dingoo, gemei, whatever) who rebrand them, make their own housings and possible software / firmware modifications.... Besides gemei existed way before dingoo ever came up
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i seem to remember gamei said they wouldn't be releasing the a330, as designs incredibly similar to this reared their ugly heads about a year ago
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Internet game? ???
The 4th symbol in the firmware shot looks like Bluetooth or Wifi, i?d appreciate that, hopefully they put 2-player function into the emulators. It?s the radio... :'(
Also: Specs!!!111! ;D
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Well grape vine mind you and can't and won't reveal my source on the information...
1. It won't play A320 Games
2. Buggy and has issues lock ups etc. Last date I got for it was late September to Mid October....
I'm not knocking it at all most stuff from Gemei is great and I hope this is a huge leap forward at a good price point if it runs good I will surely sell it and support it here in America.
All I was stating is a person I know who has actually held it and tested it said it was buggy and locked up but as Gibberish states below it is probably still Beta.
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neither of those points are that bad really ddu.
if it's not out for another month then the software will still be in beta stages, which explains the lock ups. probably be much better on release day. as for it not being compatible with the a320, that's definitely a good thing if it means it's using an ARM cpu this time, instead of the updated ingenics jz*.
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won't reveal my source on the information...
Um, a sales rep from Dingoo Tech, the people who released the other, not so well received A330, the competition, bitter rivals etc. :P If you can't reveal a source, it most likely isn't true.
1. It won't play A320 Games
2. Buggy and has issues lock ups etc. Last date I got for it was late September to Mid October....
Meh, it can't be any worse than the 'other' A330. What does that do, aside from a wireless controller? Re point 1, what A320 games are you referring to? The 3D ones? If so, who cares. If not, well, this is an A330 so it will play A330 games & software. At least this mob have the ability to write software and obviously have access to the source files for the firmware.
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At least this mob have the ability to write software and obviously have access to the source files for the firmware.
If that's the case then I hope it is 100% compatible with the A320 and any firmware improvements it brings with it will work on the A320 too. pipe dream I know...
john
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ddu has vested interests, there isn't much point listening to his opinions on the dingoo saga. he tries to skew everything in his own favour, which is a shame cos he seemed like a nice guy before this crap kicked off.
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At least this mob have the ability to write software and obviously have access to the source files for the firmware.
If that's the case then I hope it is 100% compatible with the A320 and any firmware improvements it brings with it will work on the A320 too. pipe dream I know...
john
if the a330 runs an ARM cpu then compatibility is completely impossible. We don't really want compatibility because that means another MIPS handheld.
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ddu has vested interests, there isn't much point listening to his opinions on the dingoo saga. he tries to skew everything in his own favour, which is a shame cos he seemed like a nice guy before this crap kicked off.
I know what you mean.
I often wonder how many people see it, there's a bigger picture here it seems to go unnoticed. Karma to me if you agree.
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if the a330 runs an ARM cpu then compatibility is completely impossible. We don't really want compatibility because that means another MIPS handheld.
there's nothing wrong with mips, just as there's nothing wrong with arm, just different that's all (though if you actually look at how they work they're shockingly similar)
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I'm sure you're right, (i wouldn't profess to know!) but isn't it true that there is a lot more ARM software around that can be ported more easily if it's destination architecture is also ARM?
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I'm sure you're right, (i wouldn't profess to know!) but isn't it true that there is a lot more ARM software around that can be ported more easily if it's destination architecture is also ARM?
the only thing processor specific is really big blocks of assembly, like in most emulators, so this is sort of true, but then it all depends what version of arm it is, whether it supports the extended instructions etc, now if it was near enough the same architecture as the wiz or something, then yes lots of things, but only a few things have silly blocks of assembly anyway, the amount of ram/raw processing power is more of a concern (at least where the dingoo is involved)
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What CPU, how much RAM?
What emulators does it support?
State of the OS? (functionality, compared to A320)
Support for wireless controller, TV Out??
What additional HW and SW that A320 has does the gemei A330 NOT have?
TARGET PRICE????
Either the price has to be considerably lower than A320, or it has to have many killer features to cancel out the missing linux support. (or at least the time it will take until a linux port is developed)
Without details this topic is only a waste of space and time.
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if the a330 runs an ARM cpu then compatibility is completely impossible. We don't really want compatibility because that means another MIPS handheld.
Well there's two ways of looking at it....
1) If you're looking to buy another handheld then yeh an ARM CPU would probably be a good thing.
2) If you're not then compatibility with the A320 may mean improvements to the A320 firmware which would be a good thing.
john
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Karma to me if you agree.
Pfft, really? Caring about your little numbers, hm? ::)
Gemei A330:
As everyone else said, SHOW THE SPECS.
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Don't care about numbers at all actually, curious to see what other people think.
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Don't care about numbers at all actually, curious to see what other people think.
Yeah, because people upping your karma is really the best way to find that out. Instead of, you know, conveying their thoughts with words. ::)
And agree with you on what, exactly? That DT and DDU are evil under handed thieves or something?
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I'm not knocking it if it runs good on release I will sell it just as I do the Caanoo. I have nothing askew nor am I having a vested interest as I just said a second ago I'm more then willing to sell it and support it if it's good.
All I was saying is what I have heard so far is it is buggy and locks up not knocking it.
The A-330 was a major flop too many issue on release all cosmetic and buttons issues are fixed and it's a bonus for 64mb in Dingux but still wish they would do a firmware for 64mb in the native OS also.
All I have ever done from day one is try to help the community and make it better plain and simple if I didn't why would I work with others on the HK fix and also provide firmware fixes like the button fix in November 2009 if I didn't. I've provided free hardware to the developers and contests and even gifts for there hard work.
Gibberish and Frank what have I ever done to you too? You think I was a nice guy? Like I have said in the past it's alot of drama and in the past let it go Dingoo Saga Drama. What is the truth and what is not no one will truly truthfully know on the Dingoo Saga.
Both sides have a valid point and valid facts both build a console that runs the native emulators and apps as for which one was the real team I have no clue I do know I'm in touch with original people I started business with when it was Shenzhen Dingoo Digital so do I know for sure no I have just as much proof as everyone else both ways.
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the TE wrote "more to come", why can't you all be patient? Nothings going to run away if it is good, and nothing will change if it is bad.
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I agree with the above ^^ ;) ;D
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@frank fjs and everyone else who's been reading this discussion...when I know more I promise I'll put the specs up, we're still in process of getting these in, but soon we will know more.
Sit tight! I'll be back!
Thanks for contributing on the diz!
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With more power than A320, and with linux support I would certainly get one (or two for multiplayer if possible) at lauch!
If there is no linux... well, I will wait...
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With more power than A320, and with linux support I would certainly get one (or two for multiplayer if possible) at lauch!
If there is no linux... well, I will wait...
No way, they will make this a Linux handheld, support for Linux will have to come from the homebrew scene or it will never come and for that, they have to release a SDK.
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Good news!
I spoke to the manufacturer this afternoon and have some specs for you guys:
Memory：4G/8G/16G
Support： 8G mini sd
Chipset：CC1800
Frequency：500MHZ，600MHZ
Screen：3.0 inch, 4：3，320*240
Screen Color:1600W, LTPS Screen
Manu Language：Chinese(simplified, traditional),English, Japanese, French, Germany, Spanish??11 languages
Music Format：MP3、WMA、APE、FLAC、WAV??
LRC lyrics support and support for the game background music, support the music search function
Audio decoding Chipset:Cirrus
Sound Mode: unique 3D virtual sound field, FLASH animation playback, 8 EQ sound, for cycle selection
FM function: support campus radio (frequency 76MHZ ~ 108MHZ), support for more than 40 radio stations, supports FM launch
Video feature: support RM, RMVB, AVI (h.264, DIVX, XVID), MKV, H.263, H.264, MOV, VCD, DVD, WMV, TP, TS, MP4, MPEG, MPG, 3GP, PMP 30 other formats,
support breakpoint play, support video up to 1080P
There are more specs and information to come...
If you have any questions based on the above, please post and I'll see if I can get some answers!
Thanks!
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Well I suppose the 4/8/16G memory is the internal NAND, so: what about RAM?
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Hi RoseLi
I'm wondering if they have or plan to release some kind of SDK, so we can create our own games/emulators for it?
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I hope it support external subtitles, bigger tv-out resolution and true color.
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So... Is there any kind of communication between devices?
USB host/Bluetooth/WiFi/serial/anything? :P
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Apparently there are black ones too
(http://i54.tinypic.com/m9ljit.jpg)
See more pictures here: http://www.ccdang.com/bbs/read.php?tid-10754.html
(found via dingooa320-tw (http://dingoa320-tw.blogspot.com/))
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Looks damn nice.
It appears to have the same folder structure/software as the A320 too.
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Black ones look cool, the only bad thing is the GameZone/MP5 tag... ::)
And no new emulators... Let?s hope they?ll release an SDK at least.
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Black ones look cool
100% ack.
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Absolutely no chance of an sdk unfortunately, Chinachip are very secretive over their processors.
The black one looks ok, think I prefer the white one which is unusual.
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Absolutely no chance of an sdk unfortunately, Chinachip are very secretive over their processors.
The black one looks ok, think I prefer the white one which is unusual.
Shit! :(
What they think they are protecting? :/
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Did no one but me notice this?
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7046011/img/a330.png)
Original picture here (http://blog.chinavasion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/DSC_0085.jpg), from the first post.
Internet game?
Does this unit have an onboard wifi transmitter?
EDIT: Also, I'd like to know the amount of RAM, and the REAL rated clockspeed ("500 600 MHz" isn't gonna cut it, I bought a Chinese Internet tablet that was "500 600 MHz" and it turned out to be rated at 336 MHz).
You need to convey to the manufacturers that if this device is going to be more popular than your average run-of-the-mill PMP, you have to have an edge over the others, such as officially supported homebrew, an SDK, or something that competitiors doesn't have. So far, this doesn't seem to do anything that the Dingoo A320 doesn't do.
If my picture isn't some weird way of saying "local multiplayer" or something, and the unit does indeed have Wifi, they should include a decent web browser.
If it had Wifi, homebrew and a web browser, I'd buy this in an instant, provided the price was tolerable.
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more likely it means games you downloaded off the internet, aka roms
would make more sense than interesting game
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18th of this month may or may not be a day to check some stores...
a bit of a post from the chinese bbs reads (translated): 9.18 really listed?
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I want Gemei, I want Gemei, I want Gemei A330!
/me is suffering from gadget shock after sending Pandora back to be fixed.
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Confirmed with Gemei/ShenZheng Dingoo Digital date for release is 09/18/2010
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alright, who's going to be placing bets on whether it's any good? ;D
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Here are some videos that I found on Gemei's forum and other sites. To make the things more easily I uploaded these videos to my YouTube account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wIIbh3kThc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfkFhjfeCk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7i6bjOyCnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbbnoTV61WM
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Ooh, thanks for the videos.
TV-out seems to be identical to A320, i.e. it runs slow. Which is strange as the Gemei A330 is supposed to have a considerably faster CPU. I bet you it can play games via TV-out at full speed however they are still using old A320 software which is driving the CPU at 336MHz in TV-out mode (or whatever the stock A320 clock is).
I don't think the Gemei A330 is going to differ much from the A320.
alright, who's going to be placing bets on whether it's any good? ;D
If the Gemei A330 turns out to be what I think it will be, which is a slightly improved, re-dressed Dingoo A320 (better shoulder buttons, a nice looking case and hopefully still nice d-pad & buttons) with a faster CPU, identical software & updated frimware, then I will be happy.
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For what system is that Kingdom Hearts game? GBA, Nintendo DS or Playstation 2?
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For what system is that Kingdom Hearts game? GBA, Nintendo DS or Playstation 2?
I would speculate GBA. It's very unlikely the Gemei A330 has emus for DS or PS2.
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I tought so, but I was surprised to see the video, it look more like the Nintendo DS version.
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Well I know that game doesn't run on the Dingoo or Wiz so maybe that's a good sign?
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Ooh, thanks for the videos.
TV-out seems to be identical to A320, i.e. it runs slow. Which is strange as the Gemei A330 is supposed to have a considerably faster CPU. I bet you it can play games via TV-out at full speed however they are still using old A320 software which is driving the CPU at 336MHz in TV-out mode (or whatever the stock A320 clock is).
I don't think the Gemei A330 is going to differ much from the A320.
the hardware is completely different to that of the a320. the software is not interchangeable, it is running completely different software.
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Well guys, I found two more videos of the A330 in action. Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LujLiWBzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK51tg0xvMc
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looks like every other cheap pmp to me, hope im wrong
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Isn't that what they all are... cheap pmp's? That's why we like them.
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Tbh yes, cheap and hackable the dingoo hit the nail almost on the head, hoping this will be at least half decent (but I'm not getting my hopes up)
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well im gona take the plunge and order one on day 1. crap or not, i have to have one.
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Hi everyone,
We have had more news from the manufacturer and I will have a release spec version in my hands withing about a week - after this we can really update you with specs etc.
Obviously the product will have a full write-up and specs sheet on the site, Chinavasion.com, as well.
Until then I've got a few more specs that the manufacturer faxed over:
TV Output: AV output
Support Games: GBA, GB / GBC, FC, SFC, MD, NEO, CPS1, CPS2, MANE devices such as 8-32 bit analog-like game, or upgrade to 32 or more simulator.
Support for two or more people online to battle
Wireless controller features: Support
Text features: support for TXT, PDF, HTML, CHM format
support for e-book reading function of TTS voices;
support FONTS vector fonts, support for changing the background color to support bookmarking, support for smart chapter break; support listening the music and reading e-book at the same time.
Photo: Support JPG, GIF, BMP, PNG and other image browsing
Recording: Support
OTG: Support
Built-in Speaker
We are also looking into the 'black and/or white' situation.
Our thanks to everyone for being patient and your helpful and informative posts.
Quartercast is right, we should be able to release it around this kind of time, but we need to do our own QC testing, write-up and pictures first.
We will keep you updated at every step of the way.
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Support for two or more people online to battle
Ok, I'm in. ;D
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MANE games? i'm in XD
hmm, a pdf reader on a handheld? more likely than you think apparently :D
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Support for two or more people online to battle
Ok, I'm in. ;D
more info about this please! the machine has a wifi chip inside it?
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Support for two or more people online to battle
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OTG: Support
\o/
If they work well, I'll probably get one as soon as my finances follow.
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Support for two or more people online to battle
OTG: Support
OTG means USB OTG ? :D
WiFi AND OTG!!!!
I Will get one as soon as I can.
Thanks for listening your costumers.
by the way: make it easy to get linux running ok? :)
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by the way: make it easy to get linux running ok? :)
Linux probably won't ever happen on this, we'd better hope Gemei supports us themselves (ha ha).
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If the Gemei A330 turns out to be what I think it will be, which is a slightly improved, re-dressed Dingoo A320 (better shoulder buttons, a nice looking case and hopefully still nice d-pad & buttons) with a faster CPU, identical software & updated frimware, then I will be happy.
I'm with you on this one.
Isn't that what they all are... cheap pmp's? That's why we like them.
And on this one too :)
Linux probably won't ever happen on this, we'd better hope Gemei supports us themselves (ha ha).
... why do you say that?
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if we see decent support (linux or not) from gamei i'll write a game/program with any and every feature people request, on a live web stream, with a bottle of vodka ;D
(has to be decent support, i reserve the right to change that statement at any time :P)
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if we see decent support (linux or not) from gamei i'll write a game/program with any and every feature people request, on a live web stream, with a bottle of vodka ;D
(has to be decent support, i reserve the right to change that statement at any time :P)
Haha, that's a good deal. :D
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Linux probably won't ever happen on this, we'd better hope Gemei supports us themselves (ha ha).
... why do you say that?
how many chinese handhelds have had linux hacked onto them? as far as i know it is the dingoo only. why do you suppose that is? it's because ingenic (the company that made the CPU) have an ftp site full of useful information that coders can use when working. without that info, linux would probably would nevcer have happened.
the company behind the CPU in the gemei a330 is chinachip, and they are one of the most secretive of all Chinese firms when it comes to giving away info on their processors. they give away pretty much nothing, making a coders work almost impossibly hard.
i'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but it is very unlikely.
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Support for two or more people online to battle
I didn't interpret this to mean 'online' functionality. I would suggest that they're saying you can hook two consoles up together. This would still make me very happy.
I know it says 'online' but these companies have a tendency of using the wrong wording if you know what I mean. I might be wrong, hope that I am.
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how many chinese handhelds have had linux hacked onto them? as far as i know it is the dingoo only. why do you suppose that is? it's because ingenic (the company that made the CPU) have an ftp site full of useful information that coders can use when working. without that info, linux would probably would nevcer have happened.
the company behind the CPU in the gemei a330 is chinachip, and they are one of the most secretive of all Chinese firms when it comes to giving away info on their processors. they give away pretty much nothing, making a coders work almost impossibly hard.
i'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but it is very unlikely.
Thanks for the info, I didn't know about that.
Anyway, let's hope they will release some kind of information for developers... Alekmaul did some amazing things on Dingoo's native system.
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i realy love the design. i'm sure this thing veeeeeery comfortable to play with.
and the new black... arrrrrw ;D
Support for two or more people online to battle
I didn't interpret this to mean 'online' functionality. I would suggest that they're saying you can hook two consoles up together. This would still make me very happy.
I know it says 'online' but these companies have a tendency of using the wrong wording if you know what I mean. I might be wrong, hope that I am.
On many chinese sites people state that the a330 will have "Dual 2.4G Wireless-technologie"
also dingoo TECHNOLIGIE is said to support the gemei a330 with their 3D-games we already know from a320 (such as "Seven Nights", "World Road 2", "3D-Drift Racing"...) 1)
- so for me the gemei a330 seams to be what dingoo digital said to be the "a320e using the China Chip CC1800" - so maybe again a name-confusion...
anyway - now i'd like to know how they use the wireless - would be genious if you could play with emus (eg gba-games) together, but quite useless if its only embeddedfor a few "3d selfmade games"...
and (of course) if theirs a way to programm on it / get linux on it... ???
1) talked about eg here (chinese):
http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-885509-1-1.html (http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-885509-1-1.html)
http://www.gemeitech.com/bbs/thread-82342-1-1.html (http://www.gemeitech.com/bbs/thread-82342-1-1.html)
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how many chinese handhelds have had linux hacked onto them? as far as i know it is the dingoo only. (...)
As far as I know Dingoo is the most sucessful chinese gaming Pmp so far, right?
This is because of the linux community passion...
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Are you reading this Dingoo Digital people? I hope so, because this is the truth.
EDIT: sleepy typos :P
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Mates, but if the new console won't have linux and sdk, it wouldn't be opensource.It would be very sad I think,because we won't get lots of interesting games and emulators.And AFAIR, when dingoo first came, it's emulators were not so cool... From now,it looks like a big downstep imo,which is really sad
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well as I said, I think the gemei a330 will be the same machine as the stated dingoo a320+/e.
(especially because DT is said to support the gemei a330 with games...)
and in in another post 1) a "dingoo technologie rep" wrote about their new handheld:
1,Higher speed/better CPU(Chip).
2,More beautiful appearence and more comfortable control feeling.
3,Mirco SD card slot(as every one told me Mini SD is a out thing).
4,60MB RAM will use by both systems, either our own OS or Dingux.
5,Improved buttons/D-pad.
6,M4a audio format supported.
so you can say at least that DT is aware of Dingux and wouldn't work against it. (why so ever...)
i think, essential is now: do they think it's all the "foreigners" job to do the cracking and linux-stuff (I'm afraid that's the case), or are they aware, that is was luck and hard work with the a320 and it will almost be impossible to make dingux run on the c1800 if they don't help and support "us" with information...
1) http://boards.dingoonity.org/offtopic/from-dingoo-technology-company/22 (http://boards.dingoonity.org/offtopic/from-dingoo-technology-company/22)
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you know, if there ever will be a new and improved dingoo a320 with faster cpu and more ram, better build quality (esp. the dpad!) and user-replacable battery (without soldering)
i'd be more than happy to pay more for it -
im very happy with my dingoo a320 at the moment - but if there is a better second generation with dingux then - bring it on ,
i was hoping the gemei a330 to be the "real sequel" to the dingoo a320 but from what ive been reading it seems like another failed attempt? so the gemei a330 cant have dingux?
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so the gemei a330 cant have dingux?
seeing as dingux is dingoo-linux, then no, but there's nothing to stop some clever sod putting linux on it, just depends how long really, if gamei have a server with lots of helpful hardware specs/etc, then it shouldn't be too hard, but if it's completely closed, then it's unlikely anyone would put in enough effort to do it
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it's not gemei it's chinachip that need to provide info. i'm not saying it's impossible to have linux on it but from what i've read it'll be one hell of a task, certainly a lot more difficult than it was getting it to run on the dingoo. especially without booboo around anymore. but then again, i'm no programmer and we all know anything is possible with enough skill and willpower.
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and we all know anything is possible with enough money, time and vodka.
fix'd :D
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it's not gemei it's chinachip that need to provide info.
Well, after all, Chinachip, Gemei and Dingoo Digital are some kind of departments of the same company.
So if there's a move towards the community, we can hope that it's company-wide.
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was this even out yet? any reviews? kinda interested to see some detailed, hands on review
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no not out yet, but tomorrow, sept the 18th was said to become interesting. ;)
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Hey guys, how it's going? Here's some bad news, hope itsn't true, bit still it makes me sad a little.
http://www.dingoobr.com/?p=3231#more-3231
According to this new cool dingoo will be availble only one year later, probably. So bad.
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what is the official forum he talks about in that post?
i dont think there is any chance of another year delay, it'll just get scrapped if they won't release it soon. they already delayed a year while they went from cc1600 to cc1800, another upgrade would cost them too much money.
wait and see what rose li from chinavasion has to say about it i guess.
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Hey guys, how it's going? Here's some bad news, hope itsn't true, bit still it makes me sad a little.
http://www.dingoobr.com/?p=3231#more-3231
According to this new cool dingoo will be availble only one year later, probably. So bad.
No no, they're postponing the A330's release has about a year! The moderator from Gemei's forum had already told for the people there that they hasn't any intentions to release it yesterday.
I've spotted the forums, also yesterday and, there, they said that, in mid-October, would be release the A330 for testers, only.
@gibberish: The forum of the official site of Gemei (http://www.gemeitech.com/bbs).
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Well, i read it like this:
First two batches of A330s were finished for testers only, release date for everyone should be around October 15.
But i read that through Google translate, which sucks tbh...
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.gemeitech.com/bbs/thread-108165-1-1.html&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&usg=ALkJrhiJHpkJRK0buwp1BMzjgLEsBrp3sg (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.gemeitech.com/bbs/thread-108165-1-1.html&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&usg=ALkJrhiJHpkJRK0buwp1BMzjgLEsBrp3sg)
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So, this confirms what I read, on iMP3 and also and in Gemei forum, yesterday. So this, I think, are good news.
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Well, one or two months of waiting is nothing compared to one year.
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so the gemei a330 cant have dingux?
seeing as dingux is dingoo-linux, then no, but there's nothing to stop some clever sod putting linux on it, just depends how long really, if gamei have a server with lots of helpful hardware specs/etc, then it shouldn't be too hard, but if it's completely closed, then it's unlikely anyone would put in enough effort to do it
This server can't be run by Gemei, as the server with the informations of the A320 Ingenics CPU isn't run by the manufacturers of the Dingoo, but by Ingenics, or am I wrong here?
And as far as I know, Chinachip, the manufacturer of the Gemei A330 device don't give out much information about there chips.
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I was all set to pick one of these up, disappointed to hear about possible delays for its release.
I've got my eye on a Neo Geo console atm, perhaps fate is telling me to buy this instead. ;)
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i was weighing between buying this or the letcool but after finding out the letcool uses 850 mah bl5b nokia batteries (half the dingoo's !) i decided to wait a bit for "the true successor of dingoo" and see some reviews
i was pretty satisfied with my dingoo, a new and improved one will most likely be on my MUST BUY list :D
looking forward for the mid october release! (if its true they are releasing it)
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ShenZheng Dingoo-Digital: pretty much a brand and market division
Gemei-Tech: Manufacturer of the Hardware and branding and marketing for Gemei and ShenZheng Dingoo-Digital Manufacturer only
ChinaChip: Used to only do Research and Development for Software now they do cpu also
Dingoo-Games: Develop some games for ShenZheng Dingoo-Digital A320 but mostly develop Cellular games...
Either way they are way secretive about the hardware and what ever happens I hope they assist with making Open Dingux work on it but doubt it we will most likely have to rely on our wonderful dev community to hack it...
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There is no 'g' in Shenzhen ;-)
October 15th can't come quickly enough. On a side note, has anyone managed to register on the gemeitech forum? I get as far as the last security question (look at the jpg and write the numbers/letters in the box) but it says I typed it wrong even though it's right. Very irritating.
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There is no 'g' in Shenzhen ;-)
October 15th can't come quickly enough. On a side note, has anyone managed to register on the gemeitech forum? I get as far as the last security question (look at the jpg and write the numbers/letters in the box) but it says I typed it wrong even though it's right. Very irritating.
Not tried registering myself but when programming a similar system I found that later version of IE have a security feature (or bug) that required a workaround. So, if you are using IE it may be worth trying a different browser.
john
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On a side note, has anyone managed to register on the gemeitech forum?
Yea I'm registered, it was quite some time ago, but I don't remember any problems.
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so is this called the gemei a330 or gemei hd7200? seems like two very identical products with different names but the same thing??
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so is this called the gemei a330 or gemei hd7200? seems like two very identical products with different names but the same thing??
gemei changed the name to 330 about one year ago...
it's one and the same machine (expected that one year ago the a7200/a330 prototypes used the cc1600 chip instead of the cc1800 and had no wireless)
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Look what I found, while I was looking the chinese sites:
http://psp.tgbus.com/yjzb/201009/20100919144603.shtml
This is a review produced by TGBUS. Seems very interesting.
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Thanks for the link.
Unless I'm reading it wrong, it appears it will be compatible with the wireless controller of the Dingoo Tech A330.
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Unless I'm reading it wrong, it appears it will be compatible with the wireless controller of the Dingoo Tech A330.
that's my theory, but at least they seem to have put a transmitter into the thing aswell this time, so there's at least some form of 2 way communication. though that would mean you can never have more than 2 players at once, as it'll royally screw things over, or something like that
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So does this have wifi? or am i confused?
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So does this have wifi? or am i confused?
It has wireless communication in the form of onboard transmitters and receivers similar to the way the "fake" A330 did for the controller. Dingoo, thanks for the link to the review - I posted it on my blog and credited you for the find, hope that's alright.
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So does this have wifi? or am i confused?
It has wireless communication in the form of onboard transmitters and receivers similar to the way the "fake" A330 did for the controller. Dingoo, thanks for the link to the review - I posted it on my blog and credited you for the find, hope that's alright.
No problem, mate! I've translated it into portuguese to publish it in Dingoo Brasil (thanks for difuno helped me in the translation) and I have the english translation. If you want I send you the english translation.
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Thanks dingoo, for the nice link. ;)
that's my theory, but at least they seem to have put a transmitter into the thing aswell this time, so there's at least some form of 2 way communication. though that would mean you can never have more than 2 players at once, as it'll royally screw things over, or something like that
I suppose their "dual 2.4GHz wireless" means that they simply put in 2 two of these modules, one working as transmitter the other as receiver.
but why do you think the receiver can't handle more than one handheld's data stream?
anyway, sure it isn't hard to make the multiplayer mode of home consoles work on 2 gemeis.
the host-gemei could simply transmit the screen to the 2nd one, while the 2nd one works as wireless controller.
but that wouldn't work for gba-games... :'(
so i can only hope they've also made the gba-emu work for multi-play.
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I duno man, would one of those transmitters have enough bandwidth to stream the whole image to another device without significant lag?
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So does this have wifi? or am i confused?
It has wireless communication in the form of onboard transmitters and receivers similar to the way the "fake" A330 did for the controller. Dingoo, thanks for the link to the review - I posted it on my blog and credited you for the find, hope that's alright.
No problem, mate! I've translated it into portuguese to publish it in Dingoo Brasil (thanks for difuno helped me in the translation) and I have the english translation. If you want I send you the english translation.
translation pls!!
if theres a review it means its out over there in china?? or coming out soon :D :D
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I guess tgbus is a tech site similar to engadget or whatever, so they probably got a unit early for review purposes and then they give it back. it's certainly not out in china yet anyway.
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Thanks dingoo, for the nice link. ;)
that's my theory, but at least they seem to have put a transmitter into the thing aswell this time, so there's at least some form of 2 way communication. though that would mean you can never have more than 2 players at once, as it'll royally screw things over, or something like that
I suppose their "dual 2.4GHz wireless" means that they simply put in 2 two of these modules, one working as transmitter the other as receiver.
but why do you think the receiver can't handle more than one handheld's data stream?
anyway, sure it isn't hard to make the multiplayer mode of home consoles work on 2 gemeis.
the host-gemei could simply transmit the screen to the 2nd one, while the 2nd one works as wireless controller.
but that wouldn't work for gba-games... :'(
so i can only hope they've also made the gba-emu work for multi-play.
Because in the dingoo a330, the receiver is simply tacked onto the input gpio pins, this is all still speculation of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm correct, and then they will have at the most connected the receiver to some spare gpios, and the transmitter to the buttons.
This kind of thing comes in premade pairs, that can simply be dropped into a circuit to make it wireless, they handle all of the io for you, so you just have to connect buttons one end, and use the output the other end, exactly as you would if there was just a wire connecting them
(source: I'm an electronic engineer :p)
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I duno man, would one of those transmitters have enough bandwidth to stream the whole image to another device without significant lag?
I'd say 2.4GHz should be enough. but we will see...
On a side note, has anyone managed to register on the gemeitech forum?
left to the "security number field" is another security field where you have to type in the answer of a calculation.
for me it was "5x2" so I typed "10".
Yea I'm registered, it was quite some time ago, but I don't remember any problems.
I'm registered too, but it's useless. I still can't see the "hidden content"-videos and stuff...
if theres a review it means its out over there in china?? or coming out soon :D :D
it's like gibberish says. Only a few people got them for reviews and so on...
Officially they are said to be out in mid-October.
Because in the dingoo a330, the receiver is simply tacked onto the input gpio pins, this is all still speculation of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm correct, and then they will have at the most connected the receiver to some spare gpios, and the transmitter to the buttons.
This kind of thing comes in premade pairs, that can simply be dropped into a circuit to make it wireless, they handle all of the io for you, so you just have to connect buttons one end, and use the output the other end, exactly as you would if there was just a wire connecting them
Maybe you're right.
I still can't see where your theory demonstrates obstacles, but I have to admit I'm no electronic engineer , not at all :-[
;)
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Maybe you're right.
I still can't see where your theory demonstrates obstacles, but I have to admit I'm no electronic engineer , not at all :-[
;)
all depends what's being used really, some chips are setup so you give them a unique id, and then send commands to a specific chip, most (cheap ones that is) are just built as pairs, and if you simply added another one nearby it would screw things over royally (if someone has 2 dingoo a330s, see what happens when you try to use the controller pretty please :D)
edit: booya! 800 pointless ramblings XD
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okay, I thought that would be an software issue (e.g. identically mapped buttons)
thought if the handhelds send their data in "containers" or with their id, it would only be a software to separate and continue processing the received data...
thanks for you explanations :)
edit: booya! 800 pointless ramblings XD
:D
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oh man the more i read about the caanoo the more i want it, now im just trying to justify whether i should wait for the gemei a330 or buy a gp2x canoo (which costs a bit more)
oh the dillemma ...
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caanoo is off limits for me until they fix the covered pixels problem. with a 320x240 screen every pixel counts, and i'm not willing to bodge job it myself. gph just can't get it right.
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oh man the more i read about the caanoo the more i want it, now im just trying to justify whether i should wait for the gemei a330 or buy a gp2x canoo (which costs a bit more)
oh the dillemma ...
depends on whether we get linux on the gemei a330 or not, i suppose, right?
(well okay, the release-date plays also a role, of course (i suppose) :) )
I think to replace the d-pad with an analog nub was nonsense for an primarily 2D retro-gaming-console like the caanoo...
Yeah gibberish, the covered pixels are really a ridiculous and (for gph) embarrassing mistake...
My dingoo was stolen a while ago, so I really need a new toy...
But if we really get linux on gemei a330 the only thing better on the caanoo will be the touchscreen.
But there are so much games to play with no mouse-input, I would soon overcome that miss.
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http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpsp.tgbus.com%2Fyjzb%2F201009%2F20100919144603.shtml
i've been reading the tgbus review of the gemei A330 and saw some more pretty detailed pics - the build quality of the Gemei A330 seems really nice! it seems that golden sun now runs perfectly (i havent tried it yet coz i got the actual gamepak on gba, but from what i read theres a lot of slowdowns on golden sun on the dingoo a320?)
also, seems like there's no "HOLD" slider? the on off button is just "on" or "off" and nowhere in between? thats not so good!
(http://psp.tgbus.com/UploadFiles/201009/20100919171353410.jpg)
(http://psp.tgbus.com/UploadFiles/201009/20100919171353115.jpg)
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I think it looks fantastic and can't wait to get hold of one. I'll be buying one the day they become available.
I really hope this is what it seems to be, it would make my day. The A320 was so close to perfection, perhaps this A330 can bring us a little closer.
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The ON/OFF button is a great improvement IMHO.
No need to reset when the OS crashed.
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The ON/OFF button is a great improvement IMHO.
No need to reset when the OS crashed.
what if we need to reset? theres no more hole to poke into!
we might be stuck and have to wait for the battery to drain - that sucks!
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Well, if holding the power button in the off position does a hard-poweroff instead of a soft-poweroff, or even a power-reset, there is no need for a reset button.
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I really can't decide. The decision is not whether to get it or not, but if I should get the black or white one ;)
Yea I'm registered, it was quite some time ago, but I don't remember any problems.
I'm registered too, but it's useless. I still can't see the "hidden content"-videos and stuff...
Not sure if all content is handled the same way, but what I've seen you have to reply to the thread to be able to download the file in the first post. So just reply with some smilie or something.
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Well, if holding the power button in the off position does a hard-poweroff instead of a soft-poweroff, or even a power-reset, there is no need for a reset button.
well lets hope so!
by the way according to the review it could handle full HD movies at 1920 resolution... WOW! I really hope this is not a false advertisement, the dingoo struggles with 720p avi files, when i load them they play very choppy! if the gemei can play hd movies at constant 30fps minimum then we have a solid featured PMP! also they mentioned cirrus logic sound chip! I also hope this real
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Today I found another interesting thing.
Look here: http://www.dingoobr.com/?p=3328
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAhbM5E1aks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGDMkSEd-50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bosLuRFQg4
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AW LORDDDD! Awesomeness! neogeo seems to be running much better! in native OS!!
Man im sooo soold already im buying one the very second its out :D :D :D
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Good news, I am holding the A330 in my hands!
We have a test model in the office, expect release for sale soon!
I have played some of the games briefly and it is GOOD.
The build quality is more PSP than Dingoo, I especially like its meaty shoulder buttons and its construction is pleasingly solid.
Sound and video are surprisingly good, you could easily watch movies or TV on it.
You can see a size comparison, it is bigger and sturdier than an old Dingoo that we have, but the screen is also a bit bigger which is a plus. It's more portable and pocket-sized than the PSP, but still feels substantial in your hands.
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Good news, I am holding the A330 in my hands!
We have a test model in the office, expect release for sale soon!
I have played some of the games briefly and it is GOOD.
The build quality is more PSP than Dingoo, I especially like its meaty shoulder buttons and its construction is pleasingly solid.
Sound and video are surprisingly good, you could easily watch movies or TV on it.
You can see a size comparison, it is bigger and sturdier than an old Dingoo that we have, but the screen is also a bit bigger which is a plus. It's more portable and pocket-sized than the PSP, but still feels substantial in your hands.
hey rose, when exactly can i buy one?? :D
very interested to buy one ASAP (and im sure many other people here are keen as well!)
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Hi mrzilch and everyone else,
I'm afraid I can't give a date yet. The factory is producing them now, we need to wait for this.
All I can say is thank you for your patience.
As soon as I know more I will post it here first, ok!
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thanks for the update rose!
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thanks for the update rose!
+1.
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+1... also, are you the one in the picture Rose?
Very cute :)
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+1... also, are you the one in the picture Rose?
Very cute :)
I was gonna post the same thing :)
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+1... also, are you the one in the picture Rose?
Very cute :)
I was gonna post the same thing :)
Same here! hahahahha!!! ;D
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Rose-Li, maybe you can talk to Gemei about the MP5/Game Zone thingy below the screen, i think it looks horrible (the "MP5". not the A330!), like from a cheap MP3 player. I?ll paint it black for sure...
Also, maybe you can ask for an english contact address so devs could get in contact with Gemei, offering assistance with a possible Linux port and stuff? Oh, and if they?ll deliver an SDK like they did with the A320? :D
I know it?s asked much, but possible homebrew = lots of sales ;D
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if there will be linux support and an n64 emulator for this, I realy would think about getting one ^^
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if there will be linux support and an n64 emulator for this, I realy would think about getting one ^^
keep dreaming...
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Hi mrzilch and everyone else,
I'm afraid I can't give a date yet. The factory is producing them now, we need to wait for this.
All I can say is thank you for your patience.
As soon as I know more I will post it here first, ok!
Hey,
do some developer get an developer sample?
cheers
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Am i right, that the A330 has a square display? Seems like all movies need heavy scaling and the games in the video review SCiENcE postet definitely have the wrong aspect ratio.
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Rose-Li, maybe you can talk to Gemei about the MP5/Game Zone thingy below the screen, i think it looks horrible (the "MP5". not the A330!), like from a cheap MP3 player. I´ll paint it black for sure...
In Chinese forums I did read a couple of times that gemei confirmed that in the final version the "MP5"-lettering will be removed
Am i right, that the A330 has a square display? Seems like all movies need heavy scaling then.
Right, the videos seem horribly squeezed...
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Am i right, that the A330 has a square display? Seems like all movies need heavy scaling and the games in the video review SCiENcE postet definitely have the wrong aspect ratio.
The video reviews were very squashed, you can see from the photos it is not square.
Found a video of TV-Out. Its possible it could be component HD as both the TV-out and the headphone leads have wire coming out of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfkFhjfeCk4
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Found a SDK for the gemei a330?!
http://code.google.com/p/mp4sdk/downloads/detail?name=A330-SDK-Setup-20100925.exe&can=2&q=
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Found a SDK for the gemei a330?!
http://code.google.com/p/mp4sdk/downloads/detail?name=A330-SDK-Setup-20100925.exe&can=2&q=
wow - serious? reliable source?
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Hi all,
Quick update with a little more information.
Internet games = downloaded games, not games played over the internet.
The L + R bumpers appear to be working for most if not all games (past dingoo's etc didn't always benefit from this)
I played double dragon and final fight. Both play well on here.
The display is rectangular, not square.
There is TV out, headphones and micro usb connections at the top.
As for questions about SDK's, in time we will ask the manufacturer, but as you know they are very secretive about the chipset etc.
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@mrzilch: A russian user, from emulate.su site, had discovered and later published about this on saturday. Shortly after this, the russian fansite of Dingoo and us, from Dingoo Brasil, published also this. It seems very hot this SDK!
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Hi all,
Quick update with a little more information.
Internet games = downloaded games, not games played over the internet.
The L + R bumpers appear to be working for most if not all games (past dingoo's etc didn't always benefit from this)
I played double dragon and final fight. Both play well on here.
The display is rectangular, not square.
There is TV out, headphones and micro usb connections at the top.
As for questions about SDK's, in time we will ask the manufacturer, but as you know they are very secretive about the chipset etc.
double dragon and final fight also play quite well on the old dingoo though... nothing new here
in my opinion you should test such games as
- X-men vs Street Fighter
- Marvel Superheroes
- Marvel VS Capcom
- King of Fighters 2003
these games are slow and unplayable on the original dingoo native firmware
if these games run well on the gemei a330 (no slowdown or frame skipping)...
then we have a winner!
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@mrzilch: A russian user, from emulate.su site, had discovered and later published about this on saturday. Shortly after this, the russian fansite of Dingoo and us, from Dingoo Brasil, published also this. It seems very hot this SDK!
I've been looking at their google code page for quite a while and this was a nice surprise. Haven't had time to play around with it though.
It just a shame it seems like some parts are not open source.
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Non stop use runs the battery down in 5+ hours, not too shabby at all and its external memory is based on a mini SD card.
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not too shabby at all
not really, that's pretty pathetic compared to most handhelds, and quite a lot of laptops these days
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Similar to Caanoo isn't it? 5+ -> could be 6 or 7 which is not bad
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Gooooood news:
"The" dingux-inventor is back and already working on a "limei" or whatever (linux vor gemei a330 ;))
Hi all,
Yes, I'm alive. I'll develop later a bit on what's happened for the last year, but first I'd like to apologize to all those disappointed by the sudden stop in A320/x760+ development. (...)
Now for the blast:
I have now sometime to work again on dingux.
Someone from ChinaChip, from the team that developed the A320, contacted me.
They want to support dingux development for the A330.
They will provide hardware info on the A320.
They will provide hardware info on the A330.
They will provide couple of A330 machines.
They already provided schematics and some source code for the x760+.
They will try to provide a second x760+.
Bam.
The A320 is legacy and is no longer being manufactured (plus there seem to be quite a bunch of knock-offs), so they want to focus on the A330. The A330 is based on an ARM SoC (CC1800) for which, as far as I know, there's not already a linux port (as opposed to the Ingenic SoCs)... so this might be a bit off my skills. We'll see. (...)
Hate to say this, but don't hold your breath. Now I have some time and I'm very motivated (the ChinaChip support is a blast), but my personal situation might change at any time and the job that pays the bills will always be the topmost priority. (...)
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Cool. Even if he can not manage to have time to work on it, if he publishes the hardware information, good things will come.
And I was happy to see that they will give hardware info also for a320, could this mean better dingux support for things as sleep mode?
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That news is almost unbelievable, 2 awesome developments in one post - the return of booboo and some solid support from a chinese chip manufacturer. What could be better? With support from chinachip and a dedicated guy like booboo on the case the a330 is looking great. I believe you yanks would say "stoked" :-)
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I'm very glad to see and read a such great news! Probably they contacted booboo thanks for the e-mail that my friend, Thiago Zolini, has received from them. They thought that we, from Dingoo Brasil, was the Dingux's authors. But Zolini replied back, indicating that was booboo who created Dingux, and provided for them a way to contact him and, then, as you can see, we're reading a such fantastic news!
For me, this news, was like a "shut up" for those that wasn't believing in the A330's potential.
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that is awesome news!
so it is the end of the road for the dingoo a320? it has stopped production which means pretty soon our beloved dingoo's will be rare species - but i guess if the gemei a330 is vastly superior and one day can have linux there is really no need for the dingoo anymore?
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Someone will keep making dingoos, as lots of different companies seem to have the schematic, and the 330 really needs a longer battery life
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does anybody think cps3 will be possible on this? i know its a tall order as xbox can only just handle it but i would love a handheld that i can play sf3 :D
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that is awesome news!
so it is the end of the road for the dingoo a320? it has stopped production which means pretty soon our beloved dingoo's will be rare species
No, Dingoo Tech will probably still make A320s (and THEIR A330s... which are pretty much A320s). And they are just as good. Except for the native Neogeo thing.
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Absolutely awsome, best news I've read all day. If he doesn't manage to get Dingux running on the A330 maybe he can take a look at the Letcool? But hopefully that won't be necessary!!! Welcome back!
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BooBoo is back:
http://www.dingux.com/2010/09/back.html
"Now for the blast:
I have now sometime to work again on dingux.
Someone from ChinaChip, from the team that developed the A320, contacted me.
They want to support dingux development for the A330.
They will provide hardware info on the A320.
They will provide hardware info on the A330.
They will provide couple of A330 machines.
They already provided schematics and some source code for the x760+.
They will try to provide a second x760+.
Bam."
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Wow booboo is there again, never thought this would be possible at all, but if he gets dingux running on the a330 again, i will buy one for sure! Booboo if you will read this, welcome back! And I hope chinachip will give you some cash for porting linux. ;)
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If production of the A320 was happening I would think Shenzhen Dingoo Digital would tell it's resellers that production had stopped
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@BonesCollector: I posted the same news here already yesterday... ???
@dingoo-digital-usa: wasn't there the theory that you are in touch with the dingoo-digital-workers, that left DD and founded DT...? :-\
it's like darfgarf and jesse said:
so it is the end of the road for the dingoo a320? it has stopped production which means pretty soon our beloved dingoo's will be rare species
No, Dingoo Tech will probably still make A320s (and THEIR A330s... which are pretty much A320s). And they are just as good. Except for the native Neogeo thing.
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@ROM4N
Read this below for clarification I get my A320 from Shenzhen Dingoo Digital
http://boards.dingoonity.org/the-rumor-mill/hmmm-hmmm-hmmm-let-me-clear-my-throat-and-clarify/
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thanks for the link.
in that case I see even less contradiction...
as you said, DD didn't care (or hadn't people left with English skills) to clarify to you even months later.
what I'm saying:
if booboo got the information that the a320 won't be manufactured anymore, the fact that a Chinese manufacturer like DD doesn't care to inform their resellers in america about that, is not really a proof that the information booboo got is false...
(I hope that sentence was understandable :-[)
that's what I'd say... anyway, time will tell.
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Shenzhen Dingoo Digital has about 6000 parts to make Dingoo's with after this 6K the Dingoo A320 will not longer be manufactured by Shenzhen Dingoo.
Just got the e-mail kinda delayed to BooBoo's announcement buy that facts only 6K more will be made and then katey bar the door.
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Wait, so you get your A320s from DD/Gemei, but you also get DT's A330s?
I thought you got your A320s from DT. I know they have the same native Neogeo sprite problem. I thought it was determined that DD A320s didn't have this problem? So... what the hell is going on here? I'm certain that you've said before that you get your stuff from DT... like a dozen times...
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Back to Topic please!
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i will buy it as soon as possible. Cant wait !!! look great !!! i really hope the lcd screen is really 320 x 240 and not 240 x 320. anyone can confirm that ?
( Note: does it exist any difference between a dingoo digital authentic dingoo A320 and a dingoo technology dingoo a320 ? screen quality ? d-pad quality ? build quality ? different lcd screen ? thanks for answer. YOU CAN PM ME !! )
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( Note: does it exist any difference between a dingoo digital authentic dingoo A320 and a dingoo technology dingoo a320 ? screen quality ? d-pad quality ? build quality ? different lcd screen ? thanks for answer. YOU CAN PM ME !! )
stop going on about this shit, look elsewhere on the forum it's been covered a million times.
this thread is about the gemei a330, let's keep it that way.
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I concur this thread is for discussion about the A330
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So, peoples... It's getting a bit quiet here, any news on this new baby?
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Just waiting for the fifteenth really, see what happens then. I have my paypal account primed and ready :-)
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I have my paypal account primed and ready :-)
+1. Very keen to give this a go.
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Look at this that I found:
http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-908349-1-1.html
It's PicShow running on A330. The author managed to port the program for all machines that uses the CC 1800, including the Dingoo/Gemei A330. On this thread you can see it working, as well download it.
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so has chinachip put out an SDK or what? i don't get it...
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HERE (http://code.google.com/p/mp4sdk/downloads/detail?name=A330-SDK-Setup-20100925.exe&can=2&q=) I think it's this one
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hmmmm.
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Nothing new ? October 15 is other fake release date ?
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october fifteenth is tomorrow :D
but honestly, i'm not holding my breath.
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me too im ready to buy it. my paypal money is ready. i bought the caanoo and i like it, but still i want the gemei a330, it seem the perfect pocket handheld and i want a d-pad.
cant wait too
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some hint from rose li would be nice 8)
rose, is a330 released today in china or has it been delayed again? do you know when you'll have stock?
i saw the new stuff go up on your site today and i held my breath briefly, but alas no gemei a330.
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some hint from rose li would be nice 8)
rose, is a330 released today in china or has it been delayed again? do you know when you'll have stock?
i saw the new stuff go up on your site today and i held my breath briefly, but alas no gemei a330.
Yes, I have seen on the taobao.com and here is the link
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7400882794
Looks like different prices as well. Scroll toward the bottom of the page....
http://s8.taobao.com/search?q=%B8%E8%C3%C0+a330+4g&commend=all&ssid=s5-e-p1&pid=mm_14507416_2297358_8935934
:D :D :D :D :D
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they've been on taobao for a couple of months now, it's all pre-orders (maybe some scammers i guess).
it'll retail for 499元 i think, which is about ?50 or $75. so expect to pay $90 - $110 shipped once it's available i reckon.
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It's delayed another month according to zarmark staff who have been scouring taobao for me.
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Hope it'll actually ship before Duke Nukem Forever :D
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so the 15th was another fake release date? nobody is talking about the gemei a330 anymore...why?
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what's to talk about... it must have been delayed again.
i wish rose li would come and shed some light on the situation though...
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in the Chinese boards I read something about technical difficulties and the early November being the next date for a new attempt. but I wouldn't count on that...
Somehow I hope Gemei isn't waiting for booboos "gemux"-version, because that could take month... even though linux out of the box would be cool 8)
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I talked direct with them they are having some tech issues and they said probably another two weeks before release. Once they release them I will be carrying them at my store ;)
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are the issues hardware or software related?
if two weeks is an accurate estimate then i'm guessing it's software. any followers of the pandora debacle know how long hardware problems take to iron out.
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are the issues hardware or software related?
if two weeks is an accurate estimate then i'm guessing it's software. any followers of the pandora debacle know how long hardware problems take to iron out.
1: (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQpwoSOIfyR5QIAHFXq269G1yWaEpdo6ZRaEflEeOBV6ujCpo&t=1&usg=__CjafWd6mvFZWZtncH67-LVRZJgM=)
2: debacle? someone's got a stick up their arse :P
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No idea if hardware or software related just said technical difficult and two weeks before they would be shipping. I hope so but who knows
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You'll sell them? Nice. 2 weeks, so it's as I said: early November (hopefully)
And as little appetiser (it's been a while, since we've seen new gemei A330-pics) here pics of the final official packaging:
(http://attachment.imp3.net/bbs/month_1010/10102216595a93e0e86bd37034.jpg)
(http://attachment.imp3.net/bbs/month_1010/1010221659477e4f16916cf4bd.jpg)
sorce: http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-917628-1-1.html (http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-917628-1-1.html)
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Wow, thanks for the pics, R0M4N. But... Street Fighter IV ??? ;D
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Nice find ROM4N :D
on a side note, i love reading those forums via google translate. you almost never get a decent translation that makes any sense.
Song of the United States to play more exclusive series of leaked A330 packing, multi-figure kill all kill the cat kill a dog!
OK!
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2: debacle? someone's got a stick up their arse :P
Says the man with fries in his skull :)
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Never underestimate those Chinese :) they are even going to support Windows Vsita! Whatever is that supposed to mean ;D
(http://obscurehandhelds.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1010221659d657d8ddadda2e50.jpg)
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Never underestimate those Chinese :) they are even going to support Windows Vsita! Whatever is that supposed to mean ;D
Didn't the Dingoo have issues when you conected it to a Vista PC with SP2 installed?
Perhaps they are just saying that won't be a problem....
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I really hope this is available on Amazon immediately after it's released because I've got a GC there and I'm itching to get either the Dingoo A320 or the Gemei A330 (hint hint!).
Am I correct in stating that, on paper at least, the Gemei A330 basically does everything the Dingoo A320 does, just better?
Does anyone know if the LCD will be improved on the Gemei A330? I was reading this about the Dingoo's LCD (http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/56761-is-it-just-me-i-cant-see-very-well-in-the-dingoo-lcd-screen/) and it's one of the reasons I'm waiting for the Gemei A330 to come out before I make my decision.
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It's only available from china, so amazon is out of the question for the first few weeks or months at least.
Even then it'll be 3rd party sellers, not amazon stock.
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Am I correct in stating that, on paper at least, the Gemei A330 basically does everything the Dingoo A320 does, just better?
Not really. We don't know how good the native emulators will be, or any of the new software. And Dingux on the A320 has given way to many, many, many things that the Gemei A330 won't have. But if they do get Linux on the Gemei A330 on release, or soon after, that will probably change pretty quickly (assuming there are no huge problems and that it's price is kept relatively cheap).
Have they even released informative hardware specs for the Gemei A330 yet?
Does anyone know if the LCD will be improved on the Gemei A330? I was reading this about the Dingoo's LCD (http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/56761-is-it-just-me-i-cant-see-very-well-in-the-dingoo-lcd-screen/) and it's one of the reasons I'm waiting for the Gemei A330 to come out before I make my decision.
That's really not a big deal for most people. It probably won't bother you much, if you even notice it. But it would indeed be nice if they used the proper screen this time.
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More videos of the Dingoo/Gemei A330 in action were published.
To access these videos, click on the link below:
http://www.dingoobr.com/?p=3506
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More videos of the Dingoo/Gemei A330 in action were published.
so does either dingoo company have any involvement in this one? otherwise it's just a gamei and nothing to do with a dingoo
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Dingoo is Gemei is Dingoo they are sister companies so basically naming doesn't matter other then branding.
But from what I understand it will be dual branded possibly some Dingoo and some Gemei
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Photos and a video of the wireless function of the A330 were published, look:
http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-922811-1-1.html
EDIT: On this link above you will not find the link for the video. Probably, it's restricted for special users of the site. Fortunately I was able to find the video and upload it into YouTube. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ2w5K4IYVc
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That is insane! Finally, 2 player support. Can't wait to get my hands on one of these.
Any update on when you'll be getting them in stock RoseLi?
Thanks for the videos, keep them coming. :)
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That is insane! Finally, 2 player support. Can't wait to get my hands on one of these.
Any update on when you'll be getting them in stock RoseLi?
Thanks for the videos, keep them coming. :)
if you know somebody in your Neighbourhood with the same device, great.
i do not know anybody in my city who loves retro-stuff. not so great.
maybe someone will bring "XBConnect / Xlink KAI " with gemei features.
playing SF3 in europe with gamba in africa,lol
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yeah i doubt anyone i know will ever have one of these. i might buy one for my brother, just so i can beat him at racing gears (if gba is supported of course).
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Looking forward to this.. The selling point for me is backwards compatibility with all Dingux software on the A320. If all this works on the A330 I will be buying one. Just have to wait and see ;)
Ikonz101
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Even with linux on it, I cant imagine the a320-dingux-stuff won't need ANY adjustment... (like gp2x-games need to be ported to the wiz).
so hopefully it won't be hard to port it, but still, no backwards compatibility.
(i suppose an gp2x-emulator (like "Ginge") is more likely, because of the arm-cpu?)
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Looking forward to this.. The selling point for me is backwards compatibility with all Dingux software on the A320. If all this works on the A330 I will be buying one. Just have to wait and see ;)
Sadly backwards compatibility is almost certainly a no-go. Note the cpu type is (supposedly) ARM in all the information threads that have been posted. A320 is MIPS (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingoo) which is a very different processor.
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Booboo showing his a330 (electronics porn ;)) with first comments on dingux.com (http://www.dingux.com/2010/10/a330-guts.html)
[...] We're still working out the details (NDA, possible trip to China) to acquire the required info on the CC1800 SoC (system-on-chip) and the A330 itself in order to port dingux, and it might still take a bit longer.
[...]Please bear in mind that I'm not sure to which point the samples I got are definitve production machines, so take it with a pinch of salt:
- The construction build feels good but not as good as the A320.
- The LCD is exposed, i.e. there is no plastic protection (which is part of the enclosure) over it, as happens in the A320 and the X760+. This is definitely a no-no.
- The LCD is a "delta matrix" type. Don't know much about the technology (I'll appreciate links), but it basically means that the color dots are not aligned in an orthogonal matrix but spread in a zig-zag pattern. This is supposed to be better for displaying pictures and video, but I think it's not good for games.
Please let me stress what I already said: these might not be definitive production units and the final product to market may have many of these thingies fixed. Also, note that ChinaChip actively supporting linux on their machines is a huge advance, and a first in the chinese PMP market as far as I know. And more powerful machines will come in the near future.
One final comment on the CC1800: it as a video processing unit (VPU) capable of doing scaling and all kinds of color conversion. The JZ4732 in the A320 has an image processing unit (IPU) which unfortunately is only good for converting YUV to RGB. This is very useful for video playing but useless for gaming. The CC1800's VPU will allow to provide each game with the framebuffer resolution and color space which is best suited, allowing for a significant increase in performance. Being an ARM processor will allow also to use the already existing assembly optimized emulation cores, for another boost in performance.
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A kind of unboxing of the A330 can be seen here:
http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-924095-1-1.html
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I hope they omit the 'MP5' logo from the bottom of the console. The picture on the box depicts a console without it but it's present on the actual physical console in the photos which is interesting.
Also interesting to see the included accessories, I can clearly make out a USB cable and headphones but am not sure what else is there. A Kingston Micro SD adaptor is shown and it mentions in the forum post that this is included. If it is that's nice but not a big deal as they only cost a dollar or two to purchase. They should have just made the device accept a micro SD card and be done with it.
I would hope that the final revision includes a TV-out cable and a wall charger. The TV-out cable would be the priority though, I could live without the wall charger as I imagine you can simply charge from a USB port. I recall reading that it's supposed to support component video output too, if true I'd love to see the cable for that and hope that it's included. A generic 3rd party AV cable is easy enough to come by but I imagine one with component output would be more difficult to find, if they even exist. Is a headphone style socket even sufficient enough for the 3 separate signals required by component? The device supposedly supports full HD resolution via TV-out so it would be stupid to limit it to a standard AV connection.
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1080i should be the max output via a 3,5" jack.
the new a330 has a 64mb RAM now , right?
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I hope they omit the 'MP5' logo from the bottom of the console. The picture on the box depicts a console without it but it's present on the actual physical console in the photos which is interesting.
according the imp3 it says MPS, not MP5. i guess it stands for multi player system or something like that. but yeah, i'd prefer it without as well.
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without any logo on frontcase would be better.
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More news from booboo:
I believe there's some confusion on the DA330 specs. As I mentioned in the previous post, I have only preliminary, general, info, but this is what I found out so far (don't take it for granted anyway):
- CC1800 processor (ARM926 400MHz).
- 320x240 LCD, slightly larger than the A320 one.
- 64MB RAM.
- 2.4 GHz communication module. This is a true radio device and not just a keyboard hack. Enables multiplayer and custom peripherals.
- USB OTG port, which allows connecting USB devices, but you'll need external +5V power (i.e. a powered hub).
The CC1800 has some nice features: the OMIP seems to be a video decoding coprocessor, and the VPU seems to be some kind of video post processor which can do quick scaling and color conversion before spitting out the data to the LCD.
I would say that the CC1800 CPU core belongs in the same class than the JZ4732 in the A320, however, being an ARM architecture has the advantage of the existing assembly optimized emulation cores. I bet that the VPU will allow a sizeable boost in performance by offloading the color conversion work from the SDL code.
64MB vs. 32MB in the A320 are a big advantage too.
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Glad to hear that they have doubled the RAM. I'd still want more but it's better than nothing.
Seeing how well the A320 performs with emulators when overclocked to around the 400Mhz mark, this new A330 should fly with the new CPU and extra RAM. Hopefully a smooth experience can be had on most emulators without the need for overclocking.
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Like I already wrote (several times >:() month ago: Gemei confirmed that the MPS-logo will be removed in the final version ;)
@dingoo: thanks for all the "time-sweetening" links :)
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Like I already wrote (several times >:() month ago: Gemei confirmed that the MPS-logo will be removed in the final version ;)
@dingoo: thanks for all the "time-sweetening" links :)
AMEN! ;D
And, you're welcome, friend! :D
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Like I already wrote (several times >:() month ago: Gemei confirmed that the MPS-logo will be removed in the final version ;)
@dingoo: thanks for all the "time-sweetening" links :)
helo my angry friend!
im new here, ididnt see any fact like it.
but im glad we have someone like you sharing his information with us.
this is germenglish, you dont have to understand........
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@pingpongHD: It's no big deal ::)
first: I understand quite well ;) and secondly: German is my native language too ;)
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@pingpongHD: It's no big deal ::)
first: I understand quite well ;) and secondly: German is my native language too ;)
Presumably because you're from Austria, that's right? ;D
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wow someone attended geography-lessons, you stalker :P
(no really, I suppose many not-Europeans don't know what language Austrians speak... ;))
as if you Brazilians were better than us, you wannabe-Portuguese :P :D
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wow someone attended geography-lessons, you stalker :P
(no really, I suppose many not-Europeans don't know what language Austrians speak... ;))
as if you Brazilians were better than us, you wannabe-Portuguese :P :D
Hahah, I just take a look at your profile, dude. Just it. ;D
But, yes, I always knew that the main language in your country is german. :D
Why you're posting with so small fonts? LOL! No, it's not necessary to be portuguese, most of us are descendants of the portuguese people, so... xD
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Us brazilians wanting to be like Portugal? HaH! This one is good, made my day :)
I do not know about Germany and Austria, but the portuguese spoke in Brazil and Portugal is way different, sometimes it is easier for me to understand CNN in english than the old Portugal president speaking :D
But well, be become a way off-topic, didn't we?
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Us brazilians wanting to be like Portugal? HaH! This one is good, made my day :)
I do not know about Germany and Austria, but the portuguese spoke in Brazil and Portugal is way different, sometimes it is easier for me to understand CNN in english than the old Portugal president speaking :D
But well, be become a way off-topic, didn't we?
(Portugal hater detected) xD
I'm kidding!
Well, back to the main subject, dude.
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Heh, I have nothing against portuguese people, but our cultures are currently so different from theirs, that it is VERY rar for us to even see news of Portugal here, nor think about them. You could say we do not care about Portugal anymore, as we are currently much bigger, even if with tons of more problems. That is why I tought it was fun (really, no sarcasm).
Anyway, it was good that I posted asking booboo about LCD, CPU and RAM specs, as he gave more details.
Overall, I would have to say that, the difference is not big as first tought, and the small improvements will require a lot of work in the Dingux part to be used, as the software needs to be adapted to a very special kind of CPU. I am also curious about the SDK that was found earlier, as, if it is really good, then Dingux is not of a big need to develop good apps.
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Wow what an impact :D Of course i was just joking :P
maybe we should open a "waffle"-topic (thanks to darfgarf for instiling me that word :D) for "cross-cultural communication" ;D
some couchsurfers attending? :D
okay right, back to topic...
@protomank: it's always nice and often better to have a linux-port beside the native sdk. (thousands of linux-games and gigantic homebrew-communities willing to port opensorce-projects ;))
@dingoo: dunno, pingpongHD started the small-font-chat. but you clearly overdid it with your "font size 1" dude xD
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The processor of the Gemei A330 is rebranded and probably modified TeleChips 8902 aka 890X http://www.telechips.com/eng/Product/consumer_pro08.asp
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@dingoo: dunno, pingpongHD started the small-font-chat. but you clearly overdid it with your "font size 1" dude xD
See, brazilians do it better! I'm kidding! ;D
But I agree with you, we should open a "waffle"-topic for "cross-cultural communication". Well, back to the future... oops... topic. :D
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Gemei now has included informations about the A330 in it's official page.
http://www.gemeitech.com/Products.asp?id=40&Act=1
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ok, can anybody translate all these funky signs ?!?
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Looking forward to this.. The selling point for me is backwards compatibility with all Dingux software on the A320. If all this works on the A330 I will be buying one. Just have to wait and see ;)
Sadly backwards compatibility is almost certainly a no-go. Note the cpu type is (supposedly) ARM in all the information threads that have been posted. A320 is MIPS (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingoo) which is a very different processor.
Damn forgot that the CPU is going to be ARM instead of MIPS :(.. Hopefully the community converts the apps and emulators for ARM. ARM has the advantage for having a lot of software already available though...so I will wait and see how this turns out.
Take Care
Ikonz101
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Gemei A330 was officially released. I retired this information on this page:
http://audio.pconline.com.cn/mp4/news/1011/2258272.html
Check the Gemei's official site and see the A330 photo on the first page of the site:
http://www.gemeitech.com
P.S.: I've published a translation, in portuguese, on this news at DingooBR. Anyway, if you want to take a look in this that I've written in my site, here it is: http://www.dingoobr.com/?p=3559
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wow, that's rather a lot earlier than the 10th - 20th date we were expecting.
first person to find it in stock on an English text website wins.
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I already preordered with ddu... Hope he gets his real soon
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Gemei A330 was officially released. I retired this information on this page:
http://audio.pconline.com.cn/mp4/news/1011/2258272.html
Check the Gemei's official site and see the A330 photo on the first page of the site:
http://www.gemeitech.com
P.S.: I've published a translation, in portuguese, on this news at DingooBR. Anyway, if you want to take a look in this that I've written in my site, here it is: http://www.dingoobr.com/?p=3559
This is great news!!! Think its time to pre-order from DDU ;D Hopefully its everything the A320 is and more.
Ikonz101
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i think it'll be quicker from china (with ups or something), i'll wait a bit.
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A detailed unboxing of the A330 can be seen here:
http://psp.tgbus.com/yjzb/201011/20101103151324.shtml
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i think it'll be quicker from china (with ups or something), i'll wait a bit.
I agree. Chinese retailers will receive their stock first, US retailers will be waiting another week. My money is still on Chinavasion.
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If you're willing to pay more (quite a lot more) you can get it shipped today via zarmark / taobao.
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A detailed unboxing of the A330 can be seen here:
http://psp.tgbus.com/yjzb/201011/20101103151324.shtml
Hmmm... looking at the pics I noticed there isn't a TV Out cable included with this system like there was with the A320. I am sure that the A320 cable will work with the A330. Its great that they included a MiniSD adapter though. I went through hell looking for one of those ;D
Ikonz101
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Seriously, you had trouble finding a Mini SD adapter?
No TV-out cable would suck. What about component output? It's supposed to support it, where the hell are we going to find a component TV-out cable?
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Yeah and the MPS-lettering is still there... strange... :-\
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Yeah and the MPS-lettering is still there... strange... :-\
as you said before........ ::)
(your connection sucks)
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Yeah and the MPS-lettering is still there... strange... :-\
as you said before........ ::)
(your connection sucks)
I was the one that mentioned that and I was told "Gemei confirmed that the MPS-logo will be removed in the final version".
Looks like it still hasn't happened, and if the few final units that are floating around still have it it might be there to stay. Funny that the picture of the console on the box doesn't have it though.
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Seriously, you had trouble finding a Mini SD adapter?
Yeah I really did. I wasn't looking for one online I was checking my local stores and most people didn't even know what they were :D. I finally found one at Wal-Mart in a SD adapter set. Most retailers only had microSD to SD adapters. Its basically a primitive adapter and find it strange that they haven't adopted the regular SD format by now.
Ikonz101
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Here in Brazil, almost all microSD cards in sale have a mini and a regular SD adapter together. SO when I needed it, I just bought a seconds microSD (that was useful anyway).
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Here in Brazil, almost all microSD cards in sale have a mini and a regular SD adapter together. SO when I needed it, I just bought a seconds microSD (that was useful anyway).
I wish that was the case here where I live (Upstate New York) :-\ They should include all adapters with microSD cards but since they believe no devices use them they don't which is a shame but there is always a way to find a adapter ;D
Ikonz101
P.S. Nice website by the way Frank_fjs :) Like the layout of the site and very informative. Good work!!!
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Anybody notice the ipod style headphones?
http://www.tgbus.com/image.html?url=http://psp.tgbus.com/UploadFiles/201011/20101103153928594.jpg
Let's not forget how Apple style their site is too... :o
http://www.apple.com
http://gemeitech.com/
Then again I shouldn't be surprised, as they obviously got the PSP-style UI from the... uh... PSP. And don't forget the Dingoo a330 ;D
Let's hope Apple doesn't get sue happy on Gemei.
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Anybody notice the ipod style headphones?
http://www.tgbus.com/image.html?url=http://psp.tgbus.com/UploadFiles/201011/20101103153928594.jpg
Let's not forget how Apple style their site is too... :o
http://www.apple.com
http://gemeitech.com/
Then again I shouldn't be surprised, as they obviously got the PSP-style UI from the... uh... PSP. And don't forget the Dingoo a330 ;D
Let's hope Apple doesn't get sue happy on Gemei.
Welcome to China, buddy! :D
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Those are the exact same headphones I got with my A320. They're actually not too bad, I was expecting them to be as crap as other $2 cheapies I've come across.
Hey Ikonz101, what's your handle on the PC Engine forums? I assume you're a member there from your avatar, pretty sure I've seen it around.
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I Just ordered the A320 from Chinavision, i hope they have a real one and none of this copies, how do people know A330 comes also to chinavision? Didnt find it on the Website, want to order it asap :)
By the way, anywone heard of this: "CVQL-G225" ?D Glasses with Emulator also at Chinavidion, has it something to do with all the dongo clones?
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how do people know A330 comes also to chinavision? Didnt find it on the Website, want to order it asap :)
Read the title and the first thread of this post. ::)
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ARM926 based???? Bad news for emulation on handheld. ARMv5 is a slow CPU for developing emulators of modern machines like PlayStation or Nintendo64. I think that A330 will be another handheld with the same set of 8-16bit emulators.
I dont understand because GamePark and Gemei launchs a ARMv5 machine like CAANOO and A330 at 2010, I suppose that the only reason is the price but it is a mistake because it will have nothing new.
Latest smartphones has a ARMv7 like CORTEX-A8 and smartphones 1-2 years old has a ARMv6 like ARM1176JZF-S. The past week I tested PCSX4ALL under ODROID-S (ARMv7) and it is aprox x4 more fast than WIZ/CAANOO.
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It's a cost cutting measure. For what these things do, they are incredibly cheap. The A320 is only around $70 - $80 which is a great price for what it is capable of. I love all the 8-16 bit emulators anyhow.
Sure, you can beef up the specs but then you end up having to pay $400 for the device, Pandora is an example of this.
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It's a cost cutting measure. For what these things do, they are incredibly cheap. The A320 is only around $70 - $80 which is a great price for what it is capable of. I love all the 8-16 bit emulators anyhow.
Sure, you can beef up the specs but then you end up having to pay $400 for the device, Pandora is an example of this.
I love 8-16bit machines but I will not buy other handheld if it has nothing new.
I think that a handheld with ARMv6 would be enough cheap today and it will be a step forward in emulation of fantastic machines like PlayStation or Nintendo64.
About Pandora, I would prefer not to comment for avoid flames.
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No flames here, I've always thought that the Pandora is an overpriced piece of hype. Do you have one?
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No flames here, I've always thought that the Pandora is an overpriced piece of hype. Do you have one?
No, I have not a PANDORA and I am not thinking acquire it because I dont believe in hardware scene at that level. But I would like that GamePark, Gemei or other company release a open handheld with a more powerful CPU for working on new emulators.
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No flames here, I've always thought that the Pandora is an overpriced piece of hype. Do you have one?
i'm holding mine right now, it's actually an incredible piece of kit, and worth every penny, if not more
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Hey Ikonz101, what's your handle on the PC Engine forums? I assume you're a member there from your avatar, pretty sure I've seen it around.
I don't get on the PC Engine forums :) I wasn't a huge PC Engine/ Turbo Graphx 16 fan (except for a hand full of games). Must be another person had the same idea for the avatar ;D. The avatar is actually the inside of a NES cartridge (which I am a HUGE fan of).
Take Care
Ikonz101
Edit: I would consider getting a Pandora once they are in mass production and not having to wait forever to get one. Also waiting for them to iron out all the bugs of the first batch. Other then that the Pandora does look like a incredible piece of hardware.
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Chui ,
In fact, it seems the processor has changed now to an arm 11 :Processor： CC1800 aka Rebranded TeleChips 8902/890X (ARM 11 Processor 600 Mhz Underclocked to 500 Mhz) . information from DDU from Gemei.
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Chui ,
In fact, it seems the processor has changed now to an arm 11 :Processor： CC1800 aka Rebranded TeleChips 8902/890X (ARM 11 Processor 600 Mhz Underclocked to 500 Mhz) . information from DDU from Gemei.
I've always seen this, before the A330's release. But, in this preliminary test, Booboo pointed that the processor is an ARM926, with 400 MHz. Honestly, I think that he can be equivocated.
BTW, I still believe that the processor is based in the TeleChips.
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Chui ,
In fact, it seems the processor has changed now to an arm 11 :Processor： CC1800 aka Rebranded TeleChips 8902/890X (ARM 11 Processor 600 Mhz Underclocked to 500 Mhz) . information from DDU from Gemei.
Are you sure? Now or at future?
Nope. Word I got straight from ChinaChip is that DA330 is based on the CC1800 and that it is an ARM926 based device clocked at 400MHz (maximum).
They also have the CC1900 (ARM11 1.2GHz) and the CC2000 will show up in Q1 2011
I am very interested about a ARM11 handheld. I hope that they will release it soon!
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it seems now, according to the post of DDU :
http://boards.dingoonity.org/other-game-systems/taking-pre-orders-for-gemei-a330/
first page, if i well understand booboo hasn't got the final version of the A330
to be confirmed.
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unless they're completely retarded (not saying they aren't at all) the cpu wouldn't be changed at the last minute, as it would need the entire board to be redone, probably having to do things like redesign most of the power supply circuitry aswell if they're not very similar
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unless they're completely retarded (not saying they aren't at all) the cpu wouldn't be changed at the last minute, as it would need the entire board to be redone, probably having to do things like redesign most of the power supply circuitry aswell if they're not very similar
We have to wait for releasing. At least, it looks as though they intend of release a ARM11 handheld at near future.
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i agree, the weird thing is they pretend decode FULLHD ( up to 1080) , with only this processor arm 5 , without a good gpu i really doubt.
also Chui finally did you work on psx4all on dingoo ? , i 've seen some posts about this on dingoonity and i'm a little bit curious.
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I think that Booboo's specs are the right ones. In fact, after he stated that, the following reply was from a user called Justin B that said "This is so much fun being a reseller and trying to get proper specs and then finding out they aren't correct thanks BooBoo for the correct ones...... "
I might be wrong, but i think that Justin B. is Dingoo Digital Usa, so that ends the riddle.
And Chui, are you working in Pcsx4Dingoo? sorry, i couldn't avoid to ask that ... :P
(Sorry if my english is not very good)
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Who is that lazy coder? If it is too slow, don't buy new hardware, optimize ;)
ARMv5 is a slow CPU for developing emulators of modern machines like PlayStation or Nintendo64.
I'm curious about this, could you give more details?
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ARMv5 is a slow CPU for developing emulators of modern machines like PlayStation or Nintendo64.
I'm curious about this, could you give more details?
PlayStation and Nintendo64 both use MIPS processors so are much faster to emulate on a MIPS machine because there is little binary translation overhead.
ARMv5 is generally implemented with a low number of pipelines and lacking some of the attributes required to keep them full, optimal MIPS code can be faster for certain things, and GCC is better at optimizing MIPS than ARM from what I hear because it's a more classic style processor. Also MIPS has double the number of useable registers and a few more weird instructions.
Having said all that, ARM is easier on assembler programmers and provides a number of features that can be useful in optimizing code a lot. Inline shifts, conditionals and fast block copy are just a few of the good functions. As far as software graphics is concerned I'm pretty sure I could optimize my algorithms far better for ARM than is possible on MIPS, also since most emulators rely more on graphics throughput than CPU emulation speed, I'd suggest that ARM would be faster for the more modern emulators so long as there is no graphical acceleration available.
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Now we are working on PCSX4ALL only for ARM machines like WIZ/CAANOO or Android. About DINGOO port, I would like working on it at near future but needs a lot of work because it is necessary re-write assembler code and this is a hard task. If next Dingoo/Gemei machines will be ARM based, I think that common sense is not work for MIPS.
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the cold hard truth is that gemei a330 will not be capable of emulating any systems above those that the a320 can already emulate. there may be some advances on the ps1 emulator but nothing ground breaking. it's a device for enthusiasts and addicts, not for people who want something more than the a320 can already achieve. the only thing it really has over the a320 is a much improved aesthetic.
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Hi
The ideal would be to have an psx emulator with the sound and 25-30 fps on new dingoo a330. I like play with psx4all dingoo (440 overclock and swap file) with formula one and ray tracer.
:D
Bye
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PS1 is definitely possible on the gemei a330. Remember that the a320 does not have any GPU...
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It is needed much CPU for emulate a CPU at 33MHz, GTE and GPU with or without drawing primitives. Actually, I think that the main problem with WIZ/CAANOO is the small CPU cache and the bus/memory speed. It is my opinion: Why WIZ/CAANOO at 800MHz is twice more slow that ODROID-S with 1000MHz with PCSX4ALL using the same compilations flags?
Maybe the ARMv5 of firsts Gemei330 will have more CPU cache and a fast bus/memory, but it is unusual for saving battery and money.
We have to wait for knowing the specs and if BOOBOO gets to adapt DINGUX to this machine.
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Come on, dreamcast did it at 200MHz :)
And I doubt the SH-4 outperform the CPU of both the a330 or the Canoo.
Well, the SH-4 has a FPU, I suppose it helps for the GTE/GPU... But still, that's a big difference... Just look at SNES emulation on those consoles, I guess you know what I mean :)
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wait and see :D
I think it is possible ask bobo more spec of dingoo a330. Gemei sent a machine last week at bobo ?
Laurent
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Come on, dreamcast did it at 200MHz :)
And I doubt the SH-4 outperform the CPU of both the a330 or the Canoo.
Well, the SH-4 has a FPU, I suppose it helps for the GTE/GPU... But still, that's a big difference... Just look at SNES emulation on those consoles, I guess you know what I mean :)
SH processors are crazy powerful things!
This is why Saturn emulators require almost the same specs of a DC emu :P
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The SuperH processors are not beasts.
The Saturn is difficult to emulate because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_saturn#Technical_specifications
And I don't understand your comparison between Saturn emus and Dreamcast emus. Both systems use SuperH processors...
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Now we are working on PCSX4ALL only for ARM machines like WIZ/CAANOO or Android. About DINGOO port, I would like working on it at near future but needs a lot of work because it is necessary re-write assembler code and this is a hard task. If next Dingoo/Gemei machines will be ARM based, I think that common sense is not work for MIPS.
Thanks for replying the question Chui, although the answer doesn't suit my desires :)
Anyway, hope that some coder at some point will port your awesome work to Dingoo
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the cold hard truth is that gemei a330 will not be capable of emulating any systems above those that the a320 can already emulate. there may be some advances on the ps1 emulator but nothing ground breaking. it's a device for enthusiasts and addicts, not for people who want something more than the a320 can already achieve. the only thing it really has over the a320 is a much improved aesthetic.
True but if it also has a) consistent build quality b) none of the fakes & clones confusion c) occasional firmware updates and bug fixes d) some general sort of support from gemei rather than the usual Chinese pmp "release & forget"... then it will have have some serious advantages over the A320.
john
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Hello,
Bobo says for your question about processor dingoo a330 :
Word I have from ChinaChip is that CC1800 has an ARM926 core, which according to the Wikipedia is ARMv5TE. They have also the CC1900 (ARM11 1.2GHz) and the upcoming CC2000 (no info on this one). The upcoming A350/A380 are most likely to be based on those processors.
I don't think it's impossible that they change the DA330 processor at this time, but it's very unlikely (and would not make sense that they contacted me to port dingux to the DA330, of which I have already two samples). Maybe what you heard was about the A350?.
Bye
laurent
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i still dont understand. what is inside gemei a330?? MHz??gpu? 2d 3d??
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From the sounds of it, it's just a 400MHz ARM processor with a VPU for post-processing (so no loss of speed for different resolutions). I think booboo would have mentioned if there was anything exciting involved, like a GPU.
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bobo says
You think that the processor arm5 a330 embarks a lot of cache memory for port pcsx4all or n64 on dingux ?
The amazingly short datasheet I got from ChinaChip doesn't even mention the amount of cache in the CC1800 ARM core.
The DA330 has 64MB ram.
Chui says the problem on wiz and caanoo don't have enough cache memory for new emulators 32 bits. The processor on dingoo a330 run better than dingoo a320 because read video 1080 p ?
I bet it's more because of the video processing peripheals/coprocessors (don't now yet much about their funcionality, so don't know how to call them yet). So unless we get enough info as to use those for emulator acceleration, I don't think th DA330 is more 32 bit emulator friendly than the A320.
An other question, Some to emulators dingux (a320) will be comptatible on dingux (a330) Or it is necessary to recompile emulator and game again for processor ARM ?
Definitely recompilation is needed (different architecture, A320 is MIPS, DA330 is ARM).
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i hope at least the TV output is better.
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Looks okay to me... Why'd they take the X760+ off ChinaVasion!!!! and the a330 isn't even on there yet...
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hi,
Because the user of gemei 760+ donate at bobo last year for buy a gemei and port dingux on his.
Bobo keeps its promises
;)
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the cold hard truth is that gemei a330 will not be capable of emulating any systems above those that the a320 can already emulate. there may be some advances on the ps1 emulator but nothing ground breaking. it's a device for enthusiasts and addicts, not for people who want something more than the a320 can already achieve. the only thing it really has over the a320 is a much improved aesthetic.
gemei a330 is saling on a shopping website now,about 85$ http://s.taobao.com/search?q=a330+%B8%E8%C3%C0
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the cold hard truth is that gemei a330 will not be capable of emulating any systems above those that the a320 can already emulate. there may be some advances on the ps1 emulator but nothing ground breaking. it's a device for enthusiasts and addicts, not for people who want something more than the a320 can already achieve. the only thing it really has over the a320 is a much improved aesthetic.
gemei a330 is saling on a shopping website now,about 85$ http://s.taobao.com/search?q=a330+%B8%E8%C3%C0
that doesn't count, since 90% of people looking to buy on this forum cannot speak chinese. besides, how is that a reply to what i wrote?
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besides, how is that a reply to what i wrote?
in no way :D :D :D
haha, seems you got him. oh gosh, bazhuadeyu, you made my day xD
anyway, gibberish started a shop-list HERE! (http://boards.dingoonity.org/other-game-systems/shops-selling-gemei-a330/)
edit: haha I'm still laughing because of bazhuadeyu's nice reply xD
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he quoted the first thing he saw ;D
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Anyway. It seems the gemei a330 is actually available in china since early November.
Here's a nice unboxing-video made by a Chinese student:
http://forum.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?tid=1672960&extra=page%3D1
So why doesn't Chinavasion or DX react?
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So why doesn't Chinavasion or DX react?
My bet is that those shop sites are waiting for the "export" model, with manual in elglish and such. The same as happens for A320 already that have model for chine and a export one.
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Anyway. It seems the gemei a330 is actually available in china since early November.
I've published this news on the same day that the A330 was released. Here, to be more precise:
http://boards.dingoonity.org/other-game-systems/gemei-a330-coming-soon-to-chinavasion/msg23600/#msg23600
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Anyway. It seems the gemei a330 is actually available in china since early November.
I've published this news on the same day that the A330 was released. Here, to be more precise:
http://boards.dingoonity.org/other-game-systems/gemei-a330-coming-soon-to-chinavasion/msg23600/#msg23600
;)
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My bet is that those shop sites are waiting for the "export" model, with manual in elglish and such. The same as happens for A320 already that have model for chine and a export one.
yeah, maybe you're right... hopefully that won't take ages again.
@ dingoo:
yes, I know it was "officially" released.
but I was wondering if Chinese costumers "actually" got their gemeis and furthermore why there's neither more specific specs nor better (software) reviews out there.
The Chinese community seems to be quite half-assed, just like their companies.
Ps. (for dingoo): Assume you took the "Quote"-button for the "Modify"-button, you ditsy double-poster :P (check your former 2 posts)
(but I'm happy that you decided to indicate with your smile, that you won't kill me for my post xD)
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days of silence
is something died?
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days of silence
is something died?
not much to talk about really. nobody is selling them, there aren't any english reviews, no word from booboo about dingux. just have to be patient. once DX or chinavasion starts selling them there'll be a small explosion of activity.
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the cold hard truth is that gemei a330 will not be capable of emulating any systems above those that the a320 can already emulate. there may be some advances on the ps1 emulator but nothing ground breaking. it's a device for enthusiasts and addicts, not for people who want something more than the a320 can already achieve. the only thing it really has over the a320 is a much improved aesthetic.
gemei a330 is saling on a shopping website now,about 85$ http://s.taobao.com/search?q=a330+%B8%E8%C3%C0
that doesn't count, since 90% of people looking to buy on this forum cannot speak chinese. besides, how is that a reply to what i wrote?
You can quite easily buy one from TaoBao through an agent like www.zarmark.com or www.taobaonow.com... (both are trustable by the way, although their fees can be a bit steep sometimes).
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i ordered mine through zarmark. it came to ?82 in total. kinda pricy i guess... the price on taobao was about ?60. it's not really an option most people would choose i don't think, even if the price was cheaper.
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Ordered mine from ownta.com for $115.99 U.S. With express shipping an extra $19.55. Should have it in 3-5 days.
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Ordered mine from ownta.com for $115.99 U.S. With express shipping an extra $19.55. Should have it in 3-5 days.
Great! I'm getting a little anxious and impatient.
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A chinese user has disponibilized the official firmware of the Gemei A330.
Here it is the link:
http://goo.gl/G4vYI
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A chinese user has disponibilized the official firmware of the Gemei A330.
Here it is the link:
http://goo.gl/G4vYI
Thanks for the link, I downloaded it and took a look with "strings". The following is basically a bunch of guesses, do NOT take any of the following as fact.
Chinachip PMP firmware V1.0 - there is an ARM9 reference in there, I know there is still some confusion over the actual type of ARM cpu used. My current guess is the 330 is arm9 based.
Looks like it is ?C/OS-II (like A320) based on the presence of a bunch of ?C/OS-II functions such as fsys_fread(), etc.
As you might expect there is some opensource stuff in there, I spotted zlib and gconv :-)
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Looks like it is ?C/OS-II (like A320) based on the presence of a bunch of ?C/OS-II functions such as fsys_fread(), etc.
..Also it is a .hxf file, i.e. the rom file is called "A330.HXF"
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And it's available on DealExtreme now as well!
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.47741
$98.30 including shipping
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And it's available on DealExtreme now as well!
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.47741
$98.30 including shipping
Now, it's time to wait Chinavasion put the A330 on sale. ;)
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Now this is acually strange and quite interesting - after taking a quick look in your fav hexeditor, right in the beginning can you find several references to FUSE and NTFS driver. Scroll down a bit and what don't you see - unix paths such as /etc/fstab, /dev/console or /proc/sys/kernel/! Am I dumb or does this sound like a Linux to you too? :o
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Now this is acually strange and quite interesting - after taking a quick look in your fav hexeditor, right in the beginning can you find several references to FUSE and NTFS driver. Scroll down a bit and what don't you see - unix paths such as /etc/fstab, /dev/console or /proc/sys/kernel/! Am I dumb or does this sound like a Linux to you too? :o
I believe those are refs that various libs use and check for (or at least attempt to use), rather than available resources. I.e. I think those are references not definitions.
But again, these are guesses on my part.
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It's now available on Dealextreme
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.47741
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the cold hard truth is that gemei a330 will not be capable of emulating any systems above those that the a320 can already emulate. there may be some advances on the ps1 emulator but nothing ground breaking. it's a device for enthusiasts and addicts, not for people who want something more than the a320 can already achieve. the only thing it really has over the a320 is a much improved aesthetic.
Totally agree with this. Being a gadget freak I have to have it. However the more I think about it, I'm not sure who the target audience is for this device. Without Linux out of the gate gamers on a low budget are being asked to pay slightly more for a system that does less.The Dingoo gives better bang for the buck for that end of the market. For those with a bit more money to spend the spec bump is too small. These gamers would be better off moving to something like the Caanoo. Faster processor, more ram, larger touch screen, tilt sensor etc. I hope the Gemei can find a neiche and be OK but I can't really see it.
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Without Linux out of the gate
Well, this is the point that may change in a not-too-distant future, as Booboo is working with them on it. An officially supported Linux (even though I have low expectations on the official support once it's out) will probably change a lot of things.
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i highly doubt they'll actually support linux, probably just put a link to booboos blog and say it can run 'other os' if you want, providing no support whatsoever
...tempted to get one, the first days of the 320, when dingux was really new and nothing worked were the most fun, just went downhill after that
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it went downhill after people made it work properly? you preferred segfaults? ;D
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it went downhill after people made it work properly? you preferred segfaults? ;D
no, just all the really fun stuff stopped happening, and it became more about wrapping it all together into little packs that windows users can fail at installing ;D
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no, just all the really fun stuff stopped happening, and it became more about wrapping it all together into little packs that windows users can fail at installing ;D
If you think it's bad here then you clearly were never part of the PSP homebrew scene.
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If you think it's bad here then you clearly were never part of the PSP homebrew scene.
;D far too much drama, so intentionally no. not that bad, just no real motivation to do anything
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To whoever gets theirs first, could you confirm a couple of things for the rest of us, please.
- Component output: I highly doubt it has component output and I don't know how you can test this as the unit doesn't come with a TV-out cable like the A320 did. I suppose the next best thing you could do is try the A320 TV-out cable and at least see if that works. It obviously would only be composite video output but at least we'd know whether or not we have to buy a new cable for TV-out.
- Full HD 1080p: Another thing I highly doubt. Once again though, this comes down to having a TV-out cable and even if the A320 composite cable works it won't be able to carry a HD signal, even if the (A330) device outputs it.
So I guess the biggest question is, if it does support component output and or HD, where the hell are we supposed to get the appropriate TV-out cable from?
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I have noticed though, that other Gemei products have HDMI cables and what appears to be a component TV-out cable:
Here's a Gemei HDMI cable (not sure if that's a mini USB connection on the other end):
http://www.ownta.com/original-gemei-mp4-player-hdmi-cable.html
And here's a random picture off the net of a different Gemei product and there appears to be a component TV-out cable at the bottom left:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Um3kD4sSF4w/TFDGRfIn2nI/AAAAAAAAE94/jc371r-W-38/s1600/gemei03.JPG
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the composite output on a320 had only a reduced output, so it looked very pixelated.
i hope the av output gives us at least full sd resolution.
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Just checked my tracking No. for my Gemei A330. It arrived in Sydney but the next line is "Handed over to Customs(Commonwealth of Australia)". Ummm, what does this mean? any Idea?
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Just checked my tracking No. for my Gemei A330. It arrived in Sydney but the next line is "Handed over to Customs(Commonwealth of Australia)". Ummm, what does this mean? any Idea?
Sounds like code for "you're about to pay import duty". I've not idea what import duty in Australia is. Fingers crossed you don't have to.....
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This is normal and no, you won't have to pay import duties.
Customs will simply check the package (make sure it's not drugs or explosives etc) then forward it on for delivery. This usually takes between 1 & 3 days. In very rare circumstances they may open your package, and if they do you will find a customs slip inside notifying you of this.
Nothing to worry about.
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By the way, when you get it please let us know what colour it is.
I am thinking of getting one from ownta.com too but they don't seem to indicate what colour they have, nor is there anywhere that I can see to specify a preference. I've sent them an email to ask.
They've lowered their price to $98 and apparently it comes with a free cover, and they have a 'free xmas gift on orders over $10' - no idea what that's going to be. So seeing as Chinavasion doesn't have them in stock yet I might go with ownta.com too. I think $98 shipped with a free cover + mystery gift is pretty good.
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?68 shipped is really pretty good yeah. i'd assume it's the white one, since the photo is of the white one.
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Yeah, they just emailed me back and have informed me that they only have the white one.
There are pictures of the black one though in their product listing, which threw me off.
Don't know if I'd want a white one.
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i'm not usually a fan of white electronics, but i think it looks kinda nice with the grey shoulders and trim. if it turns out to be any good though i'll be getting a black one as well.
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Booboo has announced in your site that he'll travel to China tomorrow. Look:
http://www.dingux.com/2010/11/traveling-to-china.html
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Tracking No. shows as being released from customs late yesterday. I should have my Gemei within a couple of days.