Author Topic: PSX emulation ???  (Read 29204 times)

Beerman1138

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2015, 03:47:51 pm »
I'm not a developer, and I am kind of annoyed at all the "Why no PSX" posts. 


According to this link as of right now --
http://boards.dingoonity.org/gcw-releases/gcw-zero-release-index/
-- there are 28 emulators working on the GCW-Zero.  TWENTY EIGHT.  Some overlap each other (two Atari 2600 emulators, two Genesis emulators, etc.) but that is an insane amount of systems that this device can emulate.  Most are at least near flawless emulation, all on a device that you can carry with you.  This doesn't even cover the native games and other software you can use. 

I would like PSX emulation -- I love SOTN and would like to be able to play it on the go -- but harassing developers about what is possible when they are all busy on projects or not interested on working on this will simply drive them away.  So play an arcade game on FBA or MAME instead, or play an NES game on FCEUX, or any one of another million other options they have already provided us with -- for free, by the way.  That's right -- you pay for the hardware, and pay nothing for the emulators -- so you are harassing people to do something for you for free. 

fiver

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2015, 03:41:57 am »
According to this link as of right now --
http://boards.dingoonity.org/gcw-releases/gcw-zero-release-index/
-- there are 28 emulators working on the GCW-Zero.  TWENTY EIGHT.  Some overlap each other (two Atari 2600 emulators, two Genesis emulators, etc.) but that is an insane amount of systems that this device can emulate.  Most are at least near flawless emulation, all on a device that you can carry with you.  This doesn't even cover the native games and other software you can use. 

Yeah, I'm pretty overwhelmed by all of the options I have right now. And it's only been out for..what? A year?

Aeter

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2015, 05:14:44 pm »
According to this link as of right now --
http://boards.dingoonity.org/gcw-releases/gcw-zero-release-index/
-- there are 28 emulators working on the GCW-Zero.  TWENTY EIGHT.  Some overlap each other (two Atari 2600 emulators, two Genesis emulators, etc.) but that is an insane amount of systems that this device can emulate.  Most are at least near flawless emulation, all on a device that you can carry with you.  This doesn't even cover the native games and other software you can use. 

Yeah, I'm pretty overwhelmed by all of the options I have right now. And it's only been out for..what? A year?
The devs are pretty fricking awesome, yes?
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thefifthgiant

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2015, 07:19:05 pm »
Agreed. The devs have put in a ton of work for little to no return, and hearing the same complaints over and over is probably getting to them. A little gratitude goes a long ways.

lemmywinks

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2015, 07:43:31 pm »
Nobody has been demanding anything, lots of people have been asking though which must mean it's something people want and expect.

I guess if you're new to all this then having all those 16bit and lower systems to emulate in one handheld is an amazing concept, however check the name of the site - Dingoonity. I guess people who have been using emulation handhelds for years expect something more from their $150 console in 2015 and to a certain extent I think they're right.
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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2015, 08:49:43 pm »
Nobody has been demanding anything, lots of people have been asking though which must mean it's something people want and expect.

I guess if you're new to all this then having all those 16bit and lower systems to emulate in one handheld is an amazing concept, however check the name of the site - Dingoonity. I guess people who have been using emulation handhelds for years expect something more from their $150 console in 2015 and to a certain extent I think they're right.
I have to agree with this.

No N64, no PSX, no HDMI out makes this just like a Dingoo, only with a bigger screen and squeeky buttons. I mean I enjoy my GCW, but the features that were promised back on Jan 28 2013 when the project successfully funded aren't all present, and there doesn't seem to be any motivation to get these in any time soon.

I've come to enjoy my GCW for what it is, but am not expecting much more out of it because it looks like developer support is dwindling down for any -new- features.  It's just sad that I spent $150 on it when I could've bought a similar device that does what the GCW does, but for cheaper. It is what it is I guess. People should be aware that if you're looking for PSX, N64, and HDMI out for this thing, as initially promised over 2 years ago, you'll be disappointed.

Spaceman

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2015, 08:55:13 pm »
I'm not convinced by that. If a person bought into GCW then a person must have done "some" research into the current state.
I know I did and had multiple hand held consoles in the equation before I settled on this.
I've seen this before with the xbox-scene and it ripped the community in two.
People fighting over what to emulate, who owns what piece of art or out and out theft of code.
People get, I don't want to say greedy but impatient.

Aeter

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2015, 02:15:15 am »
Nobody has been demanding anything, lots of people have been asking though which must mean it's something people want and expect.

I guess if you're new to all this then having all those 16bit and lower systems to emulate in one handheld is an amazing concept, however check the name of the site - Dingoonity. I guess people who have been using emulation handhelds for years expect something more from their $150 console in 2015 and to a certain extent I think they're right.
I have to agree with this.

No N64, no PSX, no HDMI out makes this just like a Dingoo, only with a bigger screen and squeeky buttons. I mean I enjoy my GCW, but the features that were promised back on Jan 28 2013 when the project successfully funded aren't all present, and there doesn't seem to be any motivation to get these in any time soon.

I've come to enjoy my GCW for what it is, but am not expecting much more out of it because it looks like developer support is dwindling down for any -new- features.  It's just sad that I spent $150 on it when I could've bought a similar device that does what the GCW does, but for cheaper. It is what it is I guess. People should be aware that if you're looking for PSX, N64, and HDMI out for this thing, as initially promised over 2 years ago, you'll be disappointed.
It's comments like this that annoy devs more than anything and shows no appreciation for all the work they put in.
Show some respect, you knew there wouldn't be paid devs who would actively make everything that was promised from the beginning. You're acting like you didn't get what you bargained for while all you did was buy a couple handhelds without ever developing or helping out in any developmental process.
If you're so eager to get this working start coding yourself or keep your thoughts to yourself.
The device is great and does what it does. If you keep on repeating things are not going to happen it will create a negative mindset and then you're dream everything stagnating will come true.
Try and keep a positive attitude in the community does help getting things done rather than just spitting on everything that's not there and that was so called "promised".
If you want to complain go annoy justin, but not the devs who dedicate their free time and hard work for our enjoyment.
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lemmywinks

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2015, 09:47:15 am »
It's comments like this that annoy devs more than anything and shows no appreciation for all the work they put in.
Show some respect, you knew there wouldn't be paid devs who would actively make everything that was promised from the beginning. You're acting like you didn't get what you bargained for while all you did was buy a couple handhelds without ever developing or helping out in any developmental process.
If you're so eager to get this working start coding yourself or keep your thoughts to yourself.
The device is great and does what it does. If you keep on repeating things are not going to happen it will create a negative mindset and then you're dream everything stagnating will come true.
Try and keep a positive attitude in the community does help getting things done rather than just spitting on everything that's not there and that was so called "promised".
If you want to complain go annoy justin, but not the devs who dedicate their free time and hard work for our enjoyment.

Did you actually read the comments? FFS, the GCW evangelists on here are getting more clueless with each passing day!

Listen, nobody was complaining. Nobody was "disrespecting the devs". Nobody was "spitting on the community" or whatever. It was people discussing a subject in a matter of fact way on an internet forum, a forum which isn't even dedicated to the GCW and has multiple active sub sections where people don't get so butthurt when you talk about their consoles' shortcomings.

Personally I couldn't give a f**k if the Zero got PS1, N64 or whatever but there are plenty of people who do. People who bought the thing off Kickstarter or that Ithic kickscammer guy expecting it to (direct quote from both) "emulate the game consoles we grew up with" and then found out it didn't do as described. Maybe you should "show some respect" to those people.

Maybe let people discuss things properly in a calm manner (it is a forum after all) rather than crying when people say things which don't fit in with your views. Nobody needs GCW cheerleading, not at this stage.
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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2015, 10:00:06 am »
I must admit I am gutted there is no proper PSX emulator on the zero I thought it would have had one by now my Caanoo does it well but would have been nice to have it on the zero instead I know there well defferent units SOC's ect...
Maybe someone in the future will step up to the plate and bang out a good working PSX emu but till then we live in hope
and stick to Android for PSX emulation.

ruffnutts 8)

fiver

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2015, 11:10:35 am »
Personally I couldn't give a f**k if the Zero got PS1, N64 or whatever but there are plenty of people who do. People who bought the thing off Kickstarter or that Ithic kickscammer guy expecting it to (direct quote from both) "emulate the game consoles we grew up with" and then found out it didn't do as described. Maybe you should "show some respect" to those people.

Can you show me where on the Kickstarter they promised support for PSX and/or N64? I mean, "emulating the game consoles we grew up with" is clearly advertising, not a binding promise. What if I grew up with a Gamecube? Does the Zero have to emulate that, too?

Anyway, open source software is, by nature, DIY. If you really want something done, do it yourself. All of the people who want a PSX or N64 emu could combine their efforts and make one themselves. What if none of them can program? They could pool their resources and hire a programmer. There's precedent for this stuff. These are issues that other open source communities have faced and solved.
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Xaijiqq

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2015, 12:55:43 pm »
They could pool their resources and hire a programmer. There's precedent for this stuff. These are issues that other open source communities have faced and solved.
yeah but like you say it would require greenbacks and we're not equipped for that :P

on a side note for android users, honest question, since we're bringing up n64 is there any current android device that can run conkers bad fur day or even perfect dark full speed or close to it?  if so, which devices? 



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« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2015, 01:12:29 pm »
Well in that bit you just mentioned there, which you just said didn't matter. It's something people want, something that was implied in promotions and something that isn't happening. Maybe GCW could have been more accurate and said "emulating consoles that I and other 40+ year old guys grew up with".

Plus that KS was what, 2012/2013? I would say emulation to the level of PS1/N64 would be expected or at least for foundations to be in place (sending a unit to ZodTTD doesn't count), especially on something that costs so much. Older platforms like PSP, Pandora have been doing it for ages with just community support (and Sony's PS1 emulator for the PSP).

One thing is for sure though, saying nobody should want/expect more for their money and maintaining forum silence on possible PS1 etc. emulators benefits nobody, apart from one guy.
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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2015, 01:21:32 pm »
on a side note for android users, honest question, since we're bringing up n64 is there any current android device that can run conkers bad fur day or even perfect dark full speed or close to it?  if so, which devices?

Deenox on here did a YT video of the Shield running Conkers, it looks to be perfectly playable. When I tried it on the G5A the sound glitched out and it was unbearable though. Dunno about Perfect Dark, that and Goldeneye have aged too badly (particularly the controls) for me to want to play them.

EDIT: Here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi-io9Iq53c
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fiver

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2015, 07:01:30 pm »
Well in that bit you just mentioned there, which you just said didn't matter. It's something people want, something that was implied in promotions and something that isn't happening.

Was this really implied in promotions? If so, where?

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Maybe GCW could have been more accurate and said "emulating consoles that I and other 40+ year old guys grew up with".

Hilarious. You sound pretty salty for somebody who "couldn't give a f**k".

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« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2015, 07:38:13 pm »
Was this really implied in promotions? If so, where?

Erm, the Kickstarter (as already mentioned, twice) and it gets re-used on reseller websites. You can check this out for yourself with a few clicks.


Hilarious. You sound pretty salty for somebody who "couldn't give a f**k".

Not really, just pointing out the facts. The whole GCW thing is interesting but honestly I couldn't care less about the software it gets/has, especially after the whole KS fiasco (which I assume is over now). It was a nice little community back in the A320 days.
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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2015, 08:22:18 pm »
I've just re-watched the video (1min 10 onwards)
It says "It can emulate virtually every game console from the classic era from the NES to the Playstation"

Notice the "can" wording.

There is then a disclaimer
It reads "*console will require free, open source emulator software, already available from third parties"

At no point does it state GCW does this now or will do this but it can do this provided third parties support it.

Completely misread the interpretation of words I'm sorry to say.
As it stands you may never get your PSX emulator, a crying shame as the GCW can do it but at no point will GCW team provide you with a working PSX emulator.

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2015, 12:40:09 am »

Erm, the Kickstarter (as already mentioned, twice) and it gets re-used on reseller websites. You can check this out for yourself with a few clicks.

Yes, I know about the Kickstarter, and I've gone to that page several times. I still haven't seen anything like what you're talking about.

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Not really, just pointing out the facts.

...which you can't be bothered to back up.

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The whole GCW thing is interesting but honestly I couldn't care less about the software it gets/has, especially after the whole KS fiasco (which I assume is over now).

Kickstarter projects are known for their fiascos. It has nothing to do with the quality of the product, much less the quality of the community behind that product. For a first-time Kickstarter campaign, this sort of thing is not surprising at all. Now, if it were Justin's second or third campaign, that might be a different story.
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« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2015, 03:58:37 am »
Kickstarter projects are known for their fiascos. It has nothing to do with the quality of the product, much less the quality of the community behind that product. For a first-time Kickstarter campaign, this sort of thing is not surprising at all. Now, if it were Justin's second or third campaign, that might be a different story.

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Re: PSX emulation ???
« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2015, 08:26:09 am »
Yes, I know about the Kickstarter, and I've gone to that page several times. I still haven't seen anything like what you're talking about.

...which you can't be bothered to back up.

Well the sentence I mentioned is on the second paragraph of the campaign section. It's there. Also if you read the first few months of comments it was alluded to several times, CBA trawling through all that kickstarter dirge though.


Kickstarter projects are known for their fiascos. It has nothing to do with the quality of the product, much less the quality of the community behind that product. For a first-time Kickstarter campaign, this sort of thing is not surprising at all. Now, if it were Justin's second or third campaign, that might be a different story.

If you maybe knew a little more about the guy and had been here a bit longer you'd know that this isn't his first time. He's been a consolle reseller selling Dingoos before, has one failed attempt at this already, has the SE preorders (a test run) and also has the advantage of the Pandora saga. The KS was just to get more money to fund a larger batch, the console would have existed with or without it.
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