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dongo (OP)

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2015, 03:05:49 pm »
Also most of the videos I have seen have flawlessly working N64 emulators with no lag what so ever. 

Links?

You can search youtube for that.  Tons of them on there so it running flawlessly or for certain games with just a tiny bit of lag for the larger games. 

dongo (OP)

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2015, 03:06:45 pm »
It hasnt happened due to bad marketing.  They showcase the ability to play PS1 and N64 games but clearly can not.  And they allow those videos to also propagate on youtube as well.

I do have a much better device with more capabilities.  I prefer my JXD when it comes to play ability.    the GCW is great but its lagging way behind the times on development.

It's not really down to marketing, most of the people who you would want developing for it know full well what the Zero is and have already been contacted, they just aren't interested. Probably the biggest reasons it hasn't attracted the developers people were hoping for is the small user base and the fact it uses MIPS instruction set, so it's a lot of work to cater for a small group.

N64 has never been "showcased" btw, there is a video floating around showing the Zero failing badly at running the more simple N64 games, not sure why that would be considered an advert for it being able to acheive usable N64 emulation when in fact it shows the opposite.

Everything you just stated above is what marketing is for and about.  You will not get those people without marketing properly. 

johnnyonflame

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2015, 03:34:51 pm »
Also most of the videos I have seen have flawlessly working N64 emulators with no lag what so ever. 

Links?

You can search youtube for that.  Tons of them on there so it running flawlessly or for certain games with just a tiny bit of lag for the larger games.

There's none I'm aware of. There are videos showcasing the underdeveloped PSX emulator and that's it. The GCW Zero is a device that aims at the market niche of retro gaming (16bit or less) and enthusiasts such as small time developers. It delivers on that and does that quite well.

The software is all handled by community voluntaries that are giving their free time to build something neat out of their effort. You're talking about videos from random people on the internet showcasing what they found cool and interesting, or videos testing wether its feaseable or not.

BTW I've did a couple of hacks, compiled and packaged some old PSX emulator for the dingoo and then released it for the GCW Zero in the form of the emulator that you've seen around youtube. It's very far from "running perfectly with some lag". Some games run decently and some others are pure trash. I've said time and time again that I compiled it solely to see if I could play a little bit of Klonoa.

If you're feeling the device is not living up to your expectations, it's your fault for not doing proper research. Every single community member involved on it are available on IRC and are fairly active there as stated multiple times already.

All of this could've been dodged by showing up on IRC and shooting away a few questions, we tend to be a friendly bunch mind you.

lemmywinks

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2015, 03:41:57 pm »
You can search youtube for that.  Tons of them on there so it running flawlessly or for certain games with just a tiny bit of lag for the larger games.

There are tons of YT videos of the Zero running N64 flawlessly? I couldn't find a single one so maybe you could link me to one.

Everything you just stated above is what marketing is for and about.  You will not get those people without marketing properly. 

That's not how homebrew/emulation scenes work at all. It doesn't matter how much you "market" the device, the same scene coders you are looking to entice would have exactly the same amount of interest. Maybe if it had been ARM based then you would already be running everything up to Dreamcast on it, who knows. You just have to accept that the Zero has a limited appeal and that no amount of exposure and promotion will make everyone suddenly think it's the best thing in the world.

It's a niche within a niche, that makes it a hard sell even to emulation enthusiasts and all things considered I think it did well to generate a lot of hype especially around the Kickstarter.
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dongo (OP)

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2015, 03:43:43 pm »
Actually it is.  the best ones have always had marketing.  the ones who haven't have failed very quickly for lack of a user base because people don't know it exists. 

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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2015, 04:47:59 pm »
There are tons of YT videos of the Zero running N64 flawlessly? I couldn't find a single one so maybe you could link me to one.
you aren't searching hard enough

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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2015, 04:50:02 pm »
Actually it is.  the best ones have always had marketing.  the ones who haven't have failed very quickly for lack of a user base because people don't know it exists.

That's not actually true, the best open handhelds (non Android) have always the ones which don't suck and are easy to port to.

So anyway where are these N64 videos?  ;D
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Quickman

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2015, 04:55:42 pm »
@lemmywinks @dongo
 There was an updated post only three days ago on the original kick starter page by Justin Barwick himself saying, he's got a guy working on the HDMI/TV out features as well as they are working on 3-D printing/testing new  D pads and buttons for future upgraded units solving the sticky button issue! So things are definitely in the works! It's really only Nintendo 64 emulation I wouldn't count on :) ( or at least anytime soon )
Hope this helps!
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Quickman

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2015, 05:31:41 pm »
There are tons of YT videos of the Zero running N64 flawlessly? I couldn't find a single one so maybe you could link me to one.
you aren't searching hard enough
He's right though, other then zear's video showing how Nintendo 64 emulation only runs at about 30% speed, I haven't found any other YouTube videos showing full speed Nintendo 64 emulation. Id
 Also love a link to one of these videos

So.. as @lemmywinks said so perfectly ," links? "
Hehehe
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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2015, 07:18:09 pm »
dongo,

PS1 is possible, but is difficult to set up on the Zero.  And it's not 100% functional. 

N64 -- never seen it working. 

Youtube -- links or it didn't happen.  Saying "oh just search for it" is not backing up your argument.  You look bad doing this. 

Also, something else to keep in mind -- the people who make these emulators do so of their own free will.  They don't get paid.  Yelling at them about how bad this sucks drives them away -- so thank you for being part of the problem, rather than the solution.  Maybe if the community stopped crying and started enjoying the 20 emulators the device already has, we'd have more devs working for us. 

So, devs -- thank you for the work you do once again.  I'm going to go play SNES on my Zero now. 

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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2015, 07:34:29 pm »
Yelling at them about how bad this sucks drives them away -- so thank you for being part of the problem, rather than the solution.  Maybe if the community stopped crying and started enjoying the 20 emulators the device already has, we'd have more devs working for us. 

For real though, this is huge. And unless I am mistaken, there have already been casualties on the dev side of things...   :(



Quickman

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2015, 07:37:34 pm »

Also, something else to keep in mind -- the people who make these emulators do so of their own free will.  They don't get paid.  Yelling at them about how bad this sucks drives them away -- so thank you for being part of the problem, rather than the solution.  Maybe if the community stopped crying and started enjoying the 20 emulators the device already has, we'd have more devs working for us. 

So, devs -- thank you for the work you do once again.  I'm going to go play SNES on my Zero now.

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dongo (OP)

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2015, 07:45:42 pm »
dongo,

PS1 is possible, but is difficult to set up on the Zero.  And it's not 100% functional. 

N64 -- never seen it working. 

Youtube -- links or it didn't happen.  Saying "oh just search for it" is not backing up your argument.  You look bad doing this. 

Also, something else to keep in mind -- the people who make these emulators do so of their own free will.  They don't get paid.  Yelling at them about how bad this sucks drives them away -- so thank you for being part of the problem, rather than the solution.  Maybe if the community stopped crying and started enjoying the 20 emulators the device already has, we'd have more devs working for us. 

So, devs -- thank you for the work you do once again.  I'm going to go play SNES on my Zero now.

Searching N64 on the GCW ZERO in youtube it has found over 18 pages of results.  Almost the first 8 or 9 pages are full of emulation videos.  I'm not sure where you are searching but inside of youtube they are there.  I have been researching this for a week.

dongo (OP)

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2015, 07:46:38 pm »
Yelling at them about how bad this sucks drives them away -- so thank you for being part of the problem, rather than the solution.  Maybe if the community stopped crying and started enjoying the 20 emulators the device already has, we'd have more devs working for us. 

For real though, this is huge. And unless I am mistaken, there have already been casualties on the dev side of things...   :(

It will not get better unless they change.  So advising and yelling at them is the only way to do something to save it quick or it will be dead within another year.

dongo (OP)

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2015, 07:48:01 pm »
Actually it is.  the best ones have always had marketing.  the ones who haven't have failed very quickly for lack of a user base because people don't know it exists.

That's not actually true, the best open handhelds (non Android) have always the ones which don't suck and are easy to port to.

So anyway where are these N64 videos?  ;D

not true at all sir.  You must be very new to emulation.  I have been emulating since 1999.

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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2015, 08:11:46 pm »
Actually it is.  the best ones have always had marketing.  the ones who haven't have failed very quickly for lack of a user base because people don't know it exists.

That's not actually true, the best open handhelds (non Android) have always the ones which don't suck and are easy to port to.

So anyway where are these N64 videos?  ;D

not true at all sir.  You must be very new to emulation.  I have been emulating since 1999.

This time yesterday you didn't know where to put a bios file.

Anyway I wanna see the GCW Zero play some flawless N64 so link or stfu.
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dongo (OP)

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2015, 08:28:48 pm »
Actually it is.  the best ones have always had marketing.  the ones who haven't have failed very quickly for lack of a user base because people don't know it exists.

That's not actually true, the best open handhelds (non Android) have always the ones which don't suck and are easy to port to.

So anyway where are these N64 videos?  ;D

not true at all sir.  You must be very new to emulation.  I have been emulating since 1999.

This time yesterday you didn't know where to put a bios file.

Anyway I wanna see the GCW Zero play some flawless N64 so link or stfu.

Thats because it was the first time using that emulator doesn't mean I havent looked at things or educated myself.  Dude its called google and youtube.  use them the vids are out there and in fact are the first results for 8 pages.

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2015, 08:31:00 pm »
I seriously don't think GCW Zero can handle a decent nintendo64 emulation, even with a amazing work of a dev. Snes emulation is limited to snes9x 1.43 instead of 1.53 due to speed issues, so I cannot imagine that it can handle it. But to be honest, I don't think it's the purpose of this device. I think most of us bought it to play 8/16 bit emulators and some arcades. For nintendo64 there are other options (I use Android handhelds mainly), so if you bought GCW Zero looking for nintendo64, then you made a bad purchase.

Also, as other people mention, devs deserve all credit, they do it for free and in their spare times, so they cannot be blamed.

P.D; I don't find those youtube videos either.
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dongo (OP)

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2015, 08:42:29 pm »
I seriously don't think GCW Zero can handle a decent nintendo64 emulation, even with a amazing work of a dev. Snes emulation is limited to snes9x 1.43 instead of 1.53 due to speed issues, so I cannot imagine that it can handle it. But to be honest, I don't think it's the purpose of this device. I think most of us bought it to play 8/16 bit emulators and some arcades. For nintendo64 there are other options (I use Android handhelds mainly), so if you bought GCW Zero looking for nintendo64, then you made a bad purchase.

Also, as other people mention, devs deserve all credit, they do it for free and in their spare times, so they cannot be blamed.

P.D; I don't find those youtube videos either.

They are there.  and it more than can.  The power of what is in this console surpasses what was in the N64. 

Quickman

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Re: PLAYSTATION AND N64 Emulators on the GCW ZERO?
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2015, 09:07:10 pm »


P.D; I don't find those youtube videos either.

They are there.

 Hey sincerely, this is way too much drama. Unless you're using the darknet, or work for the US government and know something that we don't, that exists on a YouTube page that doesn't actually exist to the public eye (he said sarcastically), then please stop responding with drama leading nowhere as opposed to links with actual proof. Thank you

 Also keep in mind, we have all searched and searched and searched and searched, recently and thoroughly...and still nothing, we have come up with nothing. As far as videos go.
However, As far as the numerous amount of threads?  There are countless references on this forum stating in many different ways how the Nintendo 64 emulation was either canceled and/or doesn't exist yet. AND why it doesn't exist.
 I've also spoken to a programmer who stated, that if somebody is actually working on this emulation they would not at all show/tell many people most likely until it were usable and smoothed out. so if something ever does end up  being ported to the zero in regards to Nintendo 64 emulation, praise the heavens and kiss the man's feet whom did it.
Also,
 read the last moderator's post in this thread...
http://boards.dingoonity.org/gcw-zero-emulation/n64-emulator/30/

 All I'm saying is, please stop stirring the pot for no reason.  We ALL want Nintendo 64 emulation on the zero. Badly.
There are a lot of helpful people on here who are trying to make the zero as amazing as possible. And I for one,  Am very thankful as to what it does currently.
However, as much as I would love to see Nintendo 64 and the TV out/HDMI, it's still a very great device without.
 And as far as I know, the HDMI/TV out is actually still happening for sure. On the original kick starter page, as I mentioned earlier, Justin Barwick himself stated that only three days ago he's got a guy focusing on that as well as the  USB OTG :) <img src=" class="SM_EmojiOne" /><img src=" class="SM_EmojiOne" /><img src=" class="SM_EmojiOne" /><img src=" class="SM_EmojiOne" />

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