Author Topic: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?  (Read 3959 times)

retrogott (OP)

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Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« on: July 08, 2016, 04:10:12 pm »
Hi! My GCW Zero has the sticky button issue on the A-Button which is very annoying. I already tried to fix it with some silicone grease but it didn't solve the problem. Now I'm planing to replace all the buttons in hope that will fix that problem.

Do I also have to replace the plastic/membrane under the buttons?

is there a good alternative to the 3d printed gcw zero buttons? I read in the forum that the Wii U Controller buttons might be compatible with the GCW. Is that true? Are there other buttons which match with the GCW?

And can I do this fix without a large crafting experience?


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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2016, 06:06:46 pm »
 First off, welcome to the community! Also welcome to the club of the sticky buttons. Unfortunately, it plagues a lot of us, however there are a few many options to tackle. The new 3-D printed buttons and D pad are your best bet as far as not having to modify the front-face/casing with larger holes.
 People use all kinds of things for the D pad modification, the original Dpad from a GameBoy, some people glue a ball bearing to the bottom of it for smoother diagonals, etc. 
 But as you stated earlier, all of that comes with the price of a major crafting experience. For what it's worth, it's already difficult enough just to open up the GCW0 and replace the buttons with ones that fit the holes. So if you're afraid of doing any more work than that, I would stick with the 3-D printed options. Otherwise here's a thread with lots of modifications as well as people asking questions about modifications that you could study and get some more answers from:
http://boards.dingoonity.org/gcw-general/(gcw-zero)-mod-custom-10297/

 The membrane replacement under the D pads and buttons is solely up to you. To replace it would seemingly be unnecessary unless to fit your comfort level of hardness pressing. As of right now it seems that @ithic.com does not have anymore  of these membrane underlayments for sale on their site, but supposedly they are a bit harder to the touch, making your D pad and buttons a little bit more stiff as opposed to loose. Which to be honest, I would prefer myself.

 And to answer your question specifically: the Wii U buttons and Dpads would require you to create larger holes in order to fit them. I have ordered those buttons and Dpad to compare, and they are definitely larger and require (as you put it), a "large crafting experience"

 Hope this helps 👍👍

Swarmadd

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2016, 09:49:50 pm »
Hello,

I haven't modified my Zero yet (Have it since 3 weeks, love it), but I plan to do it with Wii U buttons and dpad. However as Mar8 says it's probably the most difficult way...
I think that the easiest alternative besides 3D printed parts would be to trim a Gameboy DMG dpad. (Or stiffening the back of the original one), or maybe buff/polish the controls (but it would require a particular equipment)

However, in the meantime, I've achieved very great and durable results on the buttons without disassembling the console  ;D By using a fine strip of cloth that I soaked (Slightly) in WD40 , holding it firmly between thumbs and forefingers then rubbed back and forth forcing on the edge of the buttons. Then, clean off the excess with a dry cloth and wait a bit.
Also good for the dpad (WD40 cleans well but is not very durable as a lubricant), depending of the Zero.
EDIT : You can do this with rubbing alcohol too.

In fact these controls have a too snug fit, so any even really tiny extra-thickness left by the dirt or else will jam and "squeal" ^^ (and in case of dirt already present, silicon grease maybe wouldn't help)

I hope it will turn out great, good luck  :)
« Last Edit: July 08, 2016, 10:11:43 pm by Swarmadd »

Senor Quack

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2016, 12:12:02 am »
However, in the meantime, I've achieved very great and durable results on the buttons without disassembling the console  ;D By using a fine strip of cloth that I soaked (Slightly) in WD40 , holding it firmly between thumbs and forefingers then rubbed back and forth forcing on the edge of the buttons. Then, clean off the excess with a dry cloth and wait a bit.
Also good for the dpad (WD40 cleans well but is not very durable as a lubricant), depending of the Zero.
EDIT : You can do this with rubbing alcohol too.

Why would you use WD40 instead of alcohol to clean it? WD40 leaves a nasty fragrance, it also attacks certain types of plastics and paint and definitely rubber (our membranes are probably made of silicone so that's not the major concern). It creeps into surfaces which is the last thing you'd want underneath dpad/button membrane. It doesn't have lasting lubrication.

It's great for cleaning grease off a car part or loosening up a dirty bolt. Just use rubbing alcohol to clean the DPAD/buttons and apply a small amount of silicone grease with a toothpick. Any car parts store has little packets of them up by the cash register, called 'spark plug boot grease' or 'dielectric grease' for around $1, good for 1000+ applications to a GCW.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2016, 12:18:45 am by Senor Quack »

Mar8

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2016, 12:15:55 am »

However, in the meantime, I've achieved very great and durable results on the buttons without disassembling the console  ;D By using a fine strip of cloth that I soaked (Slightly) in WD40 , holding it firmly between thumbs and forefingers then rubbed back and forth forcing on the edge of the buttons. Then, clean off the excess with a dry cloth and wait a bit.
Also good for the dpad (WD40 cleans well but is not very durable as a lubricant), depending of the Zero.
EDIT : You can do this with rubbing alcohol too.

 I would be VERY weary of using rubbing alcohol or anything acetone-based on the GCW zero whatsoever? Because it will eventually where the plastic down as well as the paint.

 Hydrogen peroxide or some soapy water on the end of a Q-tip is much more recommended in my personal opinion.


retrogott (OP)

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2016, 06:05:02 pm »
Hi! Thanks for your answers. I will go with the 3D printed buttons. Has anyone ordered them from europe? How long was the shipping time ?

Swarmadd

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2016, 11:22:16 am »
Quote from: Senor Quack
Why would you use WD40 instead of alcohol to clean it?
Despite the fact that you're obviously right about the benefits of alcohol then silicone, I never had any problems or wearout using it several times on many devices (very tiny ammounts!) I know it's not the greatest and durable solution, but in case, for lack of anything better, it does the job ! Yes, it smells a bit ^^ , it creeps but dries without oxidizing anything.

Quote from: Mar8
I would be VERY weary of using rubbing alcohol or anything acetone-based on the GCW zero whatsoever? Because it will eventually where the plastic down as well as the paint.
Sorry ^^ That was a vocabulary mistake (I'm French), I always thougt rubbing alcohol was quite a soft thing, like medical "modified" alcohol... Of course, never put acetone on most plastics ! Now I know what rubbing alcohol is, thanks  :)

Quote from: retrogott
Hi! Thanks for your answers. I will go with the 3D printed buttons. Has anyone ordered them from europe? How long was the shipping time ?
I can't tell you for ordering and shipping, but I opened it (I just putted Wii U controls on it, works well too  :) ), and the only difficulty is the weakness of the wiring, particularly the triggers. Unless you're VERY delicate or a bit lucky, you may break one or two terminals, so take a soldering iron just in case (On mine the soldering job of the battery's ground was also poor... Had to resolder it well)
I don't know why the wiki talks about use of an x-acto knife for on/off slider button trimming, it justs unclips/re-clips very well using plastic flexibility ^^

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2016, 04:26:05 pm »
@Swarmadd, you could update the wiki with alternative suggestions.

retrogott (OP)

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2016, 01:40:46 pm »
Soo I just recieved my 3D printed buttons but I'm still a little bit affraid of disassembling my gcw zero. Is there, besides the surkow tutorial, any video in the internet which shows the disassembling process?



retrogott (OP)

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2016, 01:53:40 pm »
And another quick question: How can I identify the right 3d buttons and d-pad? They all have another button and d-pad connected by a thin piece of plastic. I know it has something to do with the printing process and the orientation but for me they look all the same...

Swarmadd

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2016, 06:02:25 pm »
In my case I haven't found another tutorial, but the wiki's one is very well made and more than enough. If you're a bit afraid to open it, just be very patient and careful with the parts. Above all, don't rush, take your time !

I haven't fully understood your second post, but I've read this : http://www.gcw-zero.com/news.php?id=16 and I think you must choose the smoothest side of the piece for the sides, so it won't jam/clog. That all I can do ^^ Just wait for someone who already had these buttons in hands..

 :)

retrogott (OP)

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2016, 07:02:32 pm »
I haven't fully understood your second post, but I've read this : http://www.gcw-zero.com/news.php?id=16 and I think you must choose the smoothest side of the piece for the sides, so it won't jam/clog. That all I can do ^^ Just wait for someone who already had these buttons in hands..

 :)

Thanks :-) Yeah the buttons look nearly the same but it's the smoothness which makes the difference.

So with the help of the two tutorials here in the forum (big thanks to fosamax and cheesecake) I was able to replace the D-Pad and the Face Buttons. Unfortunately I damaged the slim cables of the L and R Button while opening the GCW Zero:



So the only way to fix it, is to solder it, right? I don't have any soldering experience but I will get some help from a friend this weekend.

For now I would like to test the new buttons but without the L and R buttons I cannot navigate to the "emulators" tab. is there any other way to get there without L and R?

« Last Edit: July 19, 2016, 07:04:03 pm by retrogott »

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Re: Alternatives to the 3d printed GCW Zero buttons?
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2018, 05:15:53 am »
same thing happened to me its a pain i did resolder the wire back on but thinking of a better way.