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Author Topic: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?  (Read 27589 times)

superfenix2020 (OP)

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Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« on: August 26, 2016, 12:15:24 am »
past consoles like Caanoo if they have this function.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 09:41:13 pm by superfenix2020 »

Aeter

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2016, 02:53:54 am »
past consoles like Dingoo A320 if they have this function.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Devs are working on it, as they have said a million times before.
Release dates aren't given as is known.
All we can do is be patient.
~cucullus non facit monachum~

pcercuei

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2016, 10:23:35 am »
Actually we're not really working on it right now, but on other stuff.

Also, the Dingoo A320 had neither USB OTG, nor HDMI out  :-*

Atlantis_Risen

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2016, 05:49:40 pm »
Actually we're not really working on it right now, but on other stuff.

What kind of stuff?


superfenix2020 (OP)

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2016, 09:43:27 pm »
sorry, I wanted to say Caanoo, not Dingoo A320.

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What kind of stuff?
Android consoles?

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Devs are working on it, as they have said a million times before.
Release dates aren't given as is known.
All we can do is be patient.
How many years we have to wait?
They sell from day one as it has HDMI output and USB OTG.
they have lied to the people who bought this console thinking they would have these features.
Many people are very disappointed with the GCW Zero.


I think that will never leave an update with these added features.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 09:48:18 pm by superfenix2020 »

TimeDevouncer

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2016, 09:45:05 pm »
Sleep function? :P
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superfenix2020 (OP)

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2016, 09:54:19 pm »
Mini USB 2.0 OTG --> NO
Mini HDMI 1.3 out --> NO


and... analog TV-out? it's possible?


« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 10:07:40 pm by superfenix2020 »

Atlantis_Risen

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2016, 10:08:49 pm »
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

Mar8

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2016, 02:27:19 am »
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

They just released Psx.  Wouldn't it be a bit unfair to call it "dead"?
 I feel like this thread should be erased before Devs are like, "ok..f^*% this I'm out" 😂😂

Also,  aside from TV out/HDMI etc... I think it's more fair to assume that there's always work being done whether we plainly see it or not :)
« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 09:23:47 pm by Mar8 »

Surkow

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2016, 01:56:24 pm »
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

They just released Psx.  Wouldn't it be a bit unfair to call it "dead"?
 I feel like this thread should be erased before Devs are like, "ok..f^*% this I'm out" 😂😂
Many volunteer developers feel alienated due to the expectation they are obligated to deliver. In reality, they don't have any obligation whatsoever to any of the people buying the devices (you pay for the hardware, you don't pay for development).

The GCW Zero was slated to be the spiritual successor of the Dingoo A320 with the intention of using OpenDingux to maximize compatibility with previous software releases. The developers aren't working for GCW LLC and have done tremendous amounts of work that are completely invisible to the eyes of users.

The reason why hardware like this is hard to support is due to the notoriously bad Linux support by Ingenic (the GCW Zero uses the Ingenic jz4770 SoC)

Developers don't always work on high profile issues. Sometimes you wouldn't even notice the work that is being done because it's working as intended. It's usually only after things break down that the work developers are doing becomes visible.

Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on. Recent work included moving to devicetree and efforts are being done to get all drivers upstream in the Linux kernel. If you want people to work on HDMI and tv-out you'll have to find a developer with enough spare time to write a KMS driver.

pcercuei

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2016, 06:54:41 pm »
Actually we're not really working on it right now, but on other stuff.

What kind of stuff?

Cleaning the shit out of the drivers, so that we can push them upstream. Which is mostly done after months of hard work, but some nasty bugs are left that need attention. Then once we're happy with it we'll make a FW update, and after that one work on DRM/KMS driver for TV-out and HDMI can start.

pcercuei

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2016, 06:59:08 pm »
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

Just 2 years  ;) (August 2014 -> August 2016).

grom

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2016, 07:25:51 am »
I am happy to see what you still work on it.

Personaly, I still wait my kickstarter unit.

TimeDevouncer

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2016, 10:24:16 am »
I am happy to see what you still work on it.

Personaly, I still wait my kickstarter unit.


Whhhat? Seriouly? :o
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Mar8

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2016, 09:51:06 pm »
I am happy to see what you still work on it.

Personaly, I still wait my kickstarter unit.

  I'm so sorry man! That's harsh :-(

Atlantis_Risen

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2016, 06:12:41 pm »
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

They just released Psx.  Wouldn't it be a bit unfair to call it "dead"?
 I feel like this thread should be erased before Devs are like, "ok..f^*% this I'm out" 😂😂
Many volunteer developers feel alienated due to the expectation they are obligated to deliver. In reality, they don't have any obligation whatsoever to any of the people buying the devices (you pay for the hardware, you don't pay for development).

The GCW Zero was slated to be the spiritual successor of the Dingoo A320 with the intention of using OpenDingux to maximize compatibility with previous software releases. The developers aren't working for GCW LLC and have done tremendous amounts of work that are completely invisible to the eyes of users.

The reason why hardware like this is hard to support is due to the notoriously bad Linux support by Ingenic (the GCW Zero uses the Ingenic jz4770 SoC)

Developers don't always work on high profile issues. Sometimes you wouldn't even notice the work that is being done because it's working as intended. It's usually only after things break down that the work developers are doing becomes visible.

Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on. Recent work included moving to devicetree and efforts are being done to get all drivers upstream in the Linux kernel. If you want people to work on HDMI and tv-out you'll have to find a developer with enough spare time to write a KMS driver.

I absolutely understand.  Thanks all for your hard work!

pcercuei

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2016, 10:28:11 am »
Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on.
Actually no, because 'gcwnow' is like a virtual user that we use to store the repos, so it shows no activity.

Instead, you can follow the https://github.com/gcwnow/linux repository, that's where all the fun stuff happens.

Surkow

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2016, 02:14:12 pm »
Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on.
Actually no, because 'gcwnow' is like a virtual user that we use to store the repos, so it shows no activity.

Instead, you can follow the https://github.com/gcwnow/linux repository, that's where all the fun stuff happens.
That is correct. So perhaps people can follow the individual developers working on the firmware.

thefifthgiant

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2016, 11:14:40 pm »
Cleaning the shit out of the drivers, so that we can push them upstream. Which is mostly done after months of hard work, but some nasty bugs are left that need attention. Then once we're happy with it we'll make a FW update, and after that one work on DRM/KMS driver for TV-out and HDMI can start.

Just out of curiosity, what will this mean for end users, other than ensuring the drivers continue to function in the future? More overall stability perhaps?

superfenix2020 (OP)

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2016, 01:44:24 am »
and... analog TV-out? it's possible? to view a CRT TV

...without rescaled

 

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