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Title: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on August 26, 2016, 12:15:24 am
past consoles like Caanoo if they have this function.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Aeter on August 26, 2016, 02:53:54 am
past consoles like Dingoo A320 if they have this function.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Devs are working on it, as they have said a million times before.
Release dates aren't given as is known.
All we can do is be patient.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on August 26, 2016, 10:23:35 am
Actually we're not really working on it right now, but on other stuff.

Also, the Dingoo A320 had neither USB OTG, nor HDMI out  :-*
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Atlantis_Risen on August 26, 2016, 05:49:40 pm
Actually we're not really working on it right now, but on other stuff.

What kind of stuff?

Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on August 26, 2016, 09:43:27 pm
sorry, I wanted to say Caanoo, not Dingoo A320.

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What kind of stuff?
Android consoles?

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Devs are working on it, as they have said a million times before.
Release dates aren't given as is known.
All we can do is be patient.
How many years we have to wait?
They sell from day one as it has HDMI output and USB OTG.
they have lied to the people who bought this console thinking they would have these features.
Many people are very disappointed with the GCW Zero.


I think that will never leave an update with these added features.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: TimeDevouncer on August 26, 2016, 09:45:05 pm
Sleep function? :P
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on August 26, 2016, 09:54:19 pm
Mini USB 2.0 OTG --> NO
Mini HDMI 1.3 out --> NO


and... analog TV-out? it's possible?

(https://gbatemp.net/attachments/04_another_world_gbatemp_review_gcw_zero_video_game_handheld-box_contents-800x500_large-jpg.6344)
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Atlantis_Risen on August 26, 2016, 10:08:49 pm
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Mar8 on August 27, 2016, 02:27:19 am
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

They just released Psx.  Wouldn't it be a bit unfair to call it "dead"?
 I feel like this thread should be erased before Devs are like, "ok..f^*% this I'm out" 😂😂

Also,  aside from TV out/HDMI etc... I think it's more fair to assume that there's always work being done whether we plainly see it or not :)
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Surkow on August 27, 2016, 01:56:24 pm
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

They just released Psx.  Wouldn't it be a bit unfair to call it "dead"?
 I feel like this thread should be erased before Devs are like, "ok..f^*% this I'm out" 😂😂
Many volunteer developers feel alienated due to the expectation they are obligated to deliver. In reality, they don't have any obligation whatsoever to any of the people buying the devices (you pay for the hardware, you don't pay for development).

The GCW Zero was slated to be the spiritual successor of the Dingoo A320 with the intention of using OpenDingux to maximize compatibility with previous software releases. The developers aren't working for GCW LLC and have done tremendous amounts of work that are completely invisible to the eyes of users.

The reason why hardware like this is hard to support is due to the notoriously bad Linux support by Ingenic (the GCW Zero uses the Ingenic jz4770 SoC)

Developers don't always work on high profile issues. Sometimes you wouldn't even notice the work that is being done because it's working as intended. It's usually only after things break down that the work developers are doing becomes visible.

Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on. Recent work included moving to devicetree and efforts are being done to get all drivers upstream in the Linux kernel. If you want people to work on HDMI and tv-out you'll have to find a developer with enough spare time to write a KMS driver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_setting).
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on August 27, 2016, 06:54:41 pm
Actually we're not really working on it right now, but on other stuff.

What kind of stuff?

Cleaning the shit out of the drivers, so that we can push them upstream. Which is mostly done after months of hard work, but some nasty bugs are left that need attention. Then once we're happy with it we'll make a FW update, and after that one work on DRM/KMS driver for TV-out and HDMI can start.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on August 27, 2016, 06:59:08 pm
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

Just 2 years  ;) (August 2014 -> August 2016).
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: grom on August 28, 2016, 07:25:51 am
I am happy to see what you still work on it.

Personaly, I still wait my kickstarter unit.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: TimeDevouncer on August 28, 2016, 10:24:16 am
I am happy to see what you still work on it.

Personaly, I still wait my kickstarter unit.


Whhhat? Seriouly? :o
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Mar8 on August 28, 2016, 09:51:06 pm
I am happy to see what you still work on it.

Personaly, I still wait my kickstarter unit.

  I'm so sorry man! That's harsh :-(
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Atlantis_Risen on August 30, 2016, 06:12:41 pm
I don't mind being patient, but it has been like 3 years since a firmware update.  Can we call the Zero a dead console yet?

They just released Psx.  Wouldn't it be a bit unfair to call it "dead"?
 I feel like this thread should be erased before Devs are like, "ok..f^*% this I'm out" 😂😂
Many volunteer developers feel alienated due to the expectation they are obligated to deliver. In reality, they don't have any obligation whatsoever to any of the people buying the devices (you pay for the hardware, you don't pay for development).

The GCW Zero was slated to be the spiritual successor of the Dingoo A320 with the intention of using OpenDingux to maximize compatibility with previous software releases. The developers aren't working for GCW LLC and have done tremendous amounts of work that are completely invisible to the eyes of users.

The reason why hardware like this is hard to support is due to the notoriously bad Linux support by Ingenic (the GCW Zero uses the Ingenic jz4770 SoC)

Developers don't always work on high profile issues. Sometimes you wouldn't even notice the work that is being done because it's working as intended. It's usually only after things break down that the work developers are doing becomes visible.

Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on. Recent work included moving to devicetree and efforts are being done to get all drivers upstream in the Linux kernel. If you want people to work on HDMI and tv-out you'll have to find a developer with enough spare time to write a KMS driver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_setting).

I absolutely understand.  Thanks all for your hard work!
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on August 31, 2016, 10:28:11 am
Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on.
Actually no, because 'gcwnow' is like a virtual user that we use to store the repos, so it shows no activity.

Instead, you can follow the https://github.com/gcwnow/linux repository, that's where all the fun stuff happens.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Surkow on August 31, 2016, 02:14:12 pm
Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on.
Actually no, because 'gcwnow' is like a virtual user that we use to store the repos, so it shows no activity.

Instead, you can follow the https://github.com/gcwnow/linux repository, that's where all the fun stuff happens.
That is correct. So perhaps people can follow the individual developers working on the firmware.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: thefifthgiant on September 02, 2016, 11:14:40 pm
Cleaning the shit out of the drivers, so that we can push them upstream. Which is mostly done after months of hard work, but some nasty bugs are left that need attention. Then once we're happy with it we'll make a FW update, and after that one work on DRM/KMS driver for TV-out and HDMI can start.

Just out of curiosity, what will this mean for end users, other than ensuring the drivers continue to function in the future? More overall stability perhaps?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on September 03, 2016, 01:44:24 am
and... analog TV-out? it's possible? to view a CRT TV

...without rescaled
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on September 05, 2016, 04:43:41 pm
Cleaning the shit out of the drivers, so that we can push them upstream. Which is mostly done after months of hard work, but some nasty bugs are left that need attention. Then once we're happy with it we'll make a FW update, and after that one work on DRM/KMS driver for TV-out and HDMI can start.

Just out of curiosity, what will this mean for end users, other than ensuring the drivers continue to function in the future? More overall stability perhaps?

For the end users, not much. It allows us to keep updating to recent Linux kernels with shiny new features. And cleaning up the drivers makes debugging much easier, and would allow advanced features like suspend/resume to work (not working yet). Some drivers already work much better than before (e.g. the SD card driver).

From the FW developer point of view, having the drivers upstream means that we don't have to keep up with the upstream changes anymore at every single release of Linux, other developers do it for us.

About the KMS driver, not only it's required for HDMI and TV-out, but it will also allow us to update to the latest "etnaviv" (GPU driver). Since we only have a framebuffer driver right now (instead of KMS) we're stuck with a really old version  :'(
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: taciturasa on September 06, 2016, 04:02:00 am
Once this round of updates (hopefully the last ones needed to bring in all the promised functionality) are finished, will there be one more round of production on the console?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: SONY on September 06, 2016, 04:19:04 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Yp2L6c2KM

Zero is dead.
Most people only care about GPD Android and Windows hand-helds.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Mar8 on September 06, 2016, 04:53:15 am
@SONY  speak for yourself, buddy.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: howie_k on September 06, 2016, 07:14:09 am
I for one love my GCW Zero as is very portable and the 4:3 aspect screen is perfect for retro gaming!  Also, the battery life is amazing.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on September 06, 2016, 10:12:21 am
hopefully there is still some scene who likes GCW-Zero and wants/can get a new firmware to enable TV output and USB OTG.


but... is shameful that even a Chinese portable console of 12 euros have TV output
while the GCW-Zero which costs 150 euros, not.  ???

http://es.aliexpress.com/item/2016-NEW-HOT-Childhood-Classic-Game-With-888888-Games-3-0-Inch-8-Bit-PVP-Portable/32604923663.html
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Beerman1138 on September 07, 2016, 05:22:13 pm
hopefully there is still some scene who likes GCW-Zero and wants/can get a new firmware to enable TV output and USB OTG.


but... is shameful that even a Chinese portable console of 12 euros have TV output
while the GCW-Zero which costs 150 euros, not.  ???

http://es.aliexpress.com/item/2016-NEW-HOT-Childhood-Classic-Game-With-888888-Games-3-0-Inch-8-Bit-PVP-Portable/32604923663.html

You are comparing apples to oranges here.  The GCW Zero is far more complex than the link you provided.  The "PVP" is only capable of playing NES games -- as it is a NES-on-a-chip console, and there's no HDMI out, it's composite -- which is far easier as well. 
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on September 07, 2016, 10:18:44 pm
the case is that the GCW-Zero has ??no composite output/TV analog!!

My dream is to connect it to a CRT TV.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: jmthomas87 on September 28, 2016, 06:40:39 pm
Cleaning the shit out of the drivers, so that we can push them upstream. Which is mostly done after months of hard work, but some nasty bugs are left that need attention. Then once we're happy with it we'll make a FW update, and after that one work on DRM/KMS driver for TV-out and HDMI can start.

Just out of curiosity, what will this mean for end users, other than ensuring the drivers continue to function in the future? More overall stability perhaps?

For the end users, not much. It allows us to keep updating to recent Linux kernels with shiny new features. And cleaning up the drivers makes debugging much easier, and would allow advanced features like suspend/resume to work (not working yet). Some drivers already work much better than before (e.g. the SD card driver).

From the FW developer point of view, having the drivers upstream means that we don't have to keep up with the upstream changes anymore at every single release of Linux, other developers do it for us.

About the KMS driver, not only it's required for HDMI and TV-out, but it will also allow us to update to the latest "etnaviv" (GPU driver). Since we only have a framebuffer driver right now (instead of KMS) we're stuck with a really old version  :'(

I for one say just keep on doing what you are doing.  When the Firmware update and KMS drivers are good to go, that is great, but don't rush things. 

See that too often with Linux development.  Push code out that isn't stable or tested enough. 

I like my GCW as it is now, and any improvements/update from the devs will be viewed as much appreciated.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Mar8 on September 28, 2016, 09:59:58 pm
@jmthomas87 AMEN BROTHER
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on September 28, 2016, 10:06:58 pm
I dont' know why everyone wants to turn their zeros into playstation tvs.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Atlantis_Risen on September 28, 2016, 10:28:19 pm
I dont' know why everyone wants to turn their zeros into playstation tvs.

Personally, I want TV out combined with USB OTG to hook up a couple of gamepads for playing with two or more people.  That would be huge.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Mar8 on September 29, 2016, 02:42:10 am
I dont' know why everyone wants to turn their zeros into playstation tvs.

Personally, I want TV out combined with USB OTG to hook up a couple of gamepads for playing with two or more people.  That would be huge.

 Yeah, basically I would just want these features so I could use it as a home console with multiple players simultaneously being able to take it on the go as a portable.

 If you guys could get these features nailed out in the next month or two? You would beat the Nintendo NX to the punch hahahahha

 Either way, I love it as a portable and other than upgrading the controls? It truly is amazing as is. These extra features  would just be bonus and really fun for you and your friends all at once.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Ryvan on October 03, 2016, 11:04:30 pm
Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on.
Actually no, because 'gcwnow' is like a virtual user that we use to store the repos, so it shows no activity.

Instead, you can follow the https://github.com/gcwnow/linux repository, that's where all the fun stuff happens.

That may be "...  where all the fun stuff happens. ...", but it's impossible to really tell what's going on happening by looking at a github repository, especially when it has like 20-30 branches (presumably on various kernel versions, but idk). What's needed is for someone to parse that into some general statements/status information that other people can understand. Linux kernel development and system programming are pretty far removed from even serious developers of games and applications. It's also pretty impossible to tell what's an improvement unless you build a firmware image and flash it to your device. Nobody can simulate hardware software in their head.

Mostly just curious, but are there directions anywhere on how to get from the source code to a working image you can flash?

I would think graphics driver updates and anything immediately necessary would have priority, unless I misunderstand something. Certain features/improvemnets are definitely of more interest to the users than the developers.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on October 03, 2016, 11:31:04 pm
Mostly just curious, but are there directions anywhere on how to get from the source code to a working image you can flash?
I think that's what you're looking for :
https://github.com/gcwnow/buildroot (https://github.com/gcwnow/buildroot)

You can even build a firmware with Musl instead of uclibc !
But of course, you should build it against uclibc.

I would think graphics driver updates and anything immediately necessary would have priority, unless I misunderstand something. Certain features/improvemnets are definitely of more interest to the users than the developers.
Except they can't do much as far graphics drivers are concerned because it is not their work.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Eliwood_san on November 07, 2016, 06:27:22 am
Another improvement i want for the GCW Zero its have the mtp connection mode like android.Having mtp connection we can ride for once the crappy filezilla program and using the default explorer(Windows,linux etc).Some dev here suggested that feature for the GCW Zero but i dont know if have plans to release this feature in the next firmware...
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Ryvan on November 08, 2016, 05:34:14 pm
FileZilla isn't crappy at all, just say you'd prefer to use something other than FTP/SFTP if that's what you mean. If you're using Windows you could just the GCW Zero Manager already (granted it still uses SFTP, but it's a little bit less tedious after the initial setup especially if you're just transferring OPKs. You could also use WinSCP and switch on explorer mode which changes the program's interface to look more like windows explorer.

I have no idea when or if there will be a next firmware release myself. Largely speculative,  but if they have to change what kind of device it appears as over USB I think that's probably going to take some time and it will probably have to be turned on by the user rather than being a default setting. Not sure how that would play with getting a network connection over USB.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on November 08, 2016, 05:59:28 pm
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FileZilla isn't crappy at all, just say you'd prefer to use something other than FTP/SFTP if that's what you mean. If you're using Windows you could just the GCW Zero Manager already (granted it still uses SFTP, but it's a little bit less tedious after the initial setup especially if you're just transferring OPKs. You could also use WinSCP and switch on explorer mode which changes the program's interface to look more like windows explorer.
I have to agree with alexei_gp : FileZilla is not designed for file transfering to a local device.
Also, since Filezilla by default is set to "Auto" mode, that means sometimes files can be incorrectly detected as ASCII files
and it will end up with a corrupted file on the Zero.
You don't know how many users ran into many issues on my emulators only for them to realise it was due to Filezilla's default.

That said, last time i talked with pcercuei, he said he has not worked on mtp for a while and he did not tested it.
Here's the mtp daemon on his repo :
https://github.com/pcercuei/mtpd (https://github.com/pcercuei/mtpd)

As far as i know, i think they had sucesfully switched to the new build system but i'm not sure. (i have not checked that)
There is still a lot of things to be done before they can release it or else you might end up being disappointed.
It might take a while tho... I'm not sure if it will be released by Mid-2017, as it depends on a large amount of factors.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Ryvan on November 08, 2016, 07:24:35 pm
I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)

Please correct me if I misunderstand, but it sounded like the USB device needed to identity to the computer (host) as an MTP device (peripheral) for it to be handled that way by the computer. Does/can the zero already do that? Is the daemon for the host or peripheral end of the communication?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on November 08, 2016, 07:57:16 pm
The daemon is for the peripheral side.

The repo is actually this one: https://github.com/OpenDingux/mtpserver
It's a different program - the one linked by gameblabla was picked from Mer / Meego, this one is the one developped by Canonical for the Ubuntu Phone OS.

I didn't touch it for quite a long time, maybe updating it to the latest upstream code fixes some bugs.
It was actually usable but very buggy, and not thouroughly tested.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Surkow on November 08, 2016, 09:27:25 pm
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It was actually usable but very buggy, and not thouroughly tested.
Aside from the bugs, people should also consider the fact that you either have ethernet over USB _or_ MTP. Not both at the same time.

Edit: it appears that both features can co-exist but during the testing phase enabling both would trigger kernel bugs.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: ker on November 08, 2016, 10:28:49 pm
I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)

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Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Eliwood_san on November 09, 2016, 12:00:40 am
I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)

Please correct me if I misunderstand, but it sounded like the USB device needed to identity to the computer (host) as an MTP device (peripheral) for it to be handled that way by the computer. Does/can the zero already do that? Is the daemon for the host or peripheral end of the communication?

Im agreed with gameblaba because filezilla corrupted sometimes some files ,you need to figure out how to tweak the damn filezilla to get %100  working operative to the gcw zero.Another reason why i need so badly the mtp connection... i mention two words for enough reason:Windows 10.

Some people have the gcw zero working in Windows 10 connected to the computer using the mini usb cable,for me i dont have that option even i updated to anniversary update and force the drivers signed  using this file:

http://www.harteex.com/temp/gcw.inf

And yes i have the last firmware updated to my gcw zero and tested with new 3 cables mini usb.The 3 cables only work to supply power to my gcw zero...
My GCW Zero only works in wifi mode to send files in Windows 10.

Note:My GCW Zero works perfect with the mini usb cable connected on the computer,yeah perfect only to use it in Windows 7.In windows 10 doesnt work anymore with usb cable.


The daemon is for the peripheral side.

The repo is actually this one: https://github.com/OpenDingux/mtpserver
It's a different program - the one linked by gameblabla was picked from Mer / Meego, this one is the one developped by Canonical for the Ubuntu Phone OS.

I didn't touch it for quite a long time, maybe updating it to the latest upstream code fixes some bugs.
It was actually usable but very buggy, and not thouroughly tested.

Thank you for giving this information,in fact i will wait for the next firmware with those changes.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on November 09, 2016, 01:01:30 am
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I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)
I'm not saying Filezilla is bad : i use it everyday for my website and stuff.
But as far as the GCW0's is concerned, you can't expect the user who knows little about the computers to tweak Filezilla and change a settings to avoid weird issues like this one.
And it happenned with all the files, especially ISO files. I don't think it actually looks at the extension.

I was able to use my GCW0 on Windows 8 but strangely not on Windows 10.
Probably because Windows is crap lol, microsoft got triggered.

The repo is actually this one: https://github.com/OpenDingux/mtpserver
It's a different program - the one linked by gameblabla was picked from Mer / Meego, this one is the one developped by Canonical for the Ubuntu Phone OS.
lol, i linked to the wrong one. sorry guys
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Drakonas on November 30, 2016, 10:57:56 pm
Why doesn't anyone just not use FileZilla, and use something simpler like WinSCP if you're using Windows. lol. FileZilla is a bit bloated in my opinion, and a bit old-fashioned.

Also there's gFTP and FireFTP and Nautilus's FTP support if you need alternate platform support. Mac also has a brilliant FTP software called CyberDuck.

On the topic of development, I've seen the work that the devs have been doing, and it's going steady, but most of the problem is we need developers that are more knowledgeable in some areas. A few of our major developers in the community, iirc, left for work on other platforms, so work is now slower because of that.

I cracked my screen and I've dealt with it for a while (the pixels haven't been affected), but thankfully I was able to order a new one via aliexpress. Hopefully I won't mess something up on my GCW-Zero or else I will be very sad.

In any case, I wish the developers the best in what they do. If a firmware update comes out it'd be best to have one as stable as the August 2014 update has been. Quality over features for sure for me.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on December 02, 2016, 12:39:30 am
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Why doesn't anyone just not use FileZilla, and use something simpler like WinSCP if you're using Windows. lol. FileZilla is a bit bloated in my opinion, and a bit old-fashioned.
But what about those who don't use Windows like me ?  :P

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In any case, I wish the developers the best in what they do. If a firmware update comes out it'd be best to have one as stable as the August 2014 update has been. Quality over features for sure for me.
You are very optimistic Darkonas.
While the underlying has changed a lot, for the end user, not much has changed. (probably because there isn't a lot to fix anyway lol)
The next update probably is going to be either minor or it's going to take a while before we see anything substantial.
By the time the next firmware comes out,
the GCW0 would be completely gone of this market... well actually that's already the case.
It's sad to see lots of effort being spent and ultimately have only a few of handful users to try it.
But maybe it is better that way... i heard horror stories from the iOS jailbreak scene.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Eliwood_san on December 02, 2016, 01:47:46 am
In my case im using windows 10 and i cant use filezilla or any ftp client with my GCW Zero because windows 10 its broken and yes i have usb 2.0 port in my new laptop.In windows 7 works flawless...Thats why i desired too much to have mtp connection for any GCW Zero.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: congusbongus on December 02, 2016, 02:44:28 am
In my case im using windows 10 and i cant use filezilla or any ftp client with my GCW Zero because windows 10 its broken and yes i have usb 2.0 port in my new laptop.In windows 7 works flawless...Thats why i desired too much to have mtp connection for any GCW Zero.
I doubt that Windows 10 is broken; it's more likely something missing from filezilla or something set up incorrectly. What sort of error messages are you seeing?

I use GCW Zero Manager over wifi and works perfectly; if we added raw FTP to that, would it work also?

It doesn't seem like a deal-breaker to me, as there are other workarounds to transferring files. TV out is the more interesting feature, with USB OTG used for connecting additional controllers.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Eliwood_san on December 02, 2016, 10:34:41 pm
In my case im using windows 10 and i cant use filezilla or any ftp client with my GCW Zero because windows 10 its broken and yes i have usb 2.0 port in my new laptop.In windows 7 works flawless...Thats why i desired too much to have mtp connection for any GCW Zero.
I doubt that Windows 10 is broken; it's more likely something missing from filezilla or something set up incorrectly. What sort of error messages are you seeing?

I use GCW Zero Manager over wifi and works perfectly; if we added raw FTP to that, would it work also?

It doesn't seem like a deal-breaker to me, as there are other workarounds to transferring files. TV out is the more interesting feature, with USB OTG used for connecting additional controllers.


Using the wifi connection its working fine my GCW Zero with windows 10 but  connecting to the port usb 2.0 its not working and yes i purchase many mini usb cable and doesnt connect to the filezilla client.I used this wiki guide to connect to the usb port and transfer my files to my GCW Zero:

http://wiki.surkow.com/Quick_Start_Guide#FTP_connection
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: zhongtiao1 on December 03, 2016, 01:38:38 am
Is there a way to build the current github source to install on the zero to test out?

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Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on December 03, 2016, 02:00:10 am
Is there a way to build the current github source to install on the zero to test out?

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If you're stuck on Windows, you don't want to attempt that lol.
Plus, like others and i said, none of the new things/progress was merged to master yet
so the only thing you get is a newer kernel.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on December 03, 2016, 12:34:57 pm
Plus, like others and i said, none of the new things/progress was merged to master yet
so the only thing you get is a newer kernel.
Huh? So what is "master" for you?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on December 03, 2016, 04:02:34 pm
Huh? So what is "master" for you?
oops sorry what i meant that the buildroot repo at the moment only seems to allow you to build stable versions of the firmware.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on December 13, 2016, 02:50:38 pm
Huh? So what is "master" for you?
oops sorry what i meant that the buildroot repo at the moment only seems to allow you to build stable versions of the firmware.
So we don't do much development in Buildroot, much more in the kernel: https://github.com/gcwnow/linux
It's a bit tricky to follow the changes, since we work in many different branches and not the default one (jz-4.5). For instance the recent changes are in jz-4.8.2-wip-pinctrl and jz-4.7-tcu-syscon. Also, most of the work right now is focusing on upstreaming. I want a good part of our changes in Linux 4.11.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on April 07, 2017, 09:59:04 am
Any news of a firm future to enable video output?

that will depend on whether or not to sell my Zero.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on April 07, 2017, 03:42:39 pm
Any news of a firm future to enable video output?

that will depend on whether or not to sell my Zero.
You're asking if a firm or company will work on HDMI out support ?
Nah, this is not going to happen, especially since the GCW Zero is met with supply issues.
It is (and was from the beginning) entirely supported by a few people in the community.

It was never backed by a company and no employees were hired, unlike what Justin said.
With Justin having family issues (or so i heard), don't expect anything from him.

Like it was said a billion times, they'll try to merge some GCW Zero changes to upstream.
(like it was done for the Raspberry PI, Nexus 5 etc...)
However, this depend on the good willing of the maintainers accepting the changes.

Plus, the maintainers made some changes to accepting DRM patches, this could further
delay accepting the changes. (however, i think that it's mostly unaffected by that, need to check)

And no one reversed engineered the HDMI out in the vivante.

TLDR; not going to happen any time soon. You can put your GCW0 on Ebay
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on June 09, 2017, 09:33:23 am
We still have no news on a future update that supports TV out,
right?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: thefifthgiant on June 09, 2017, 01:39:32 pm
We still have no news on a future update that supports TV out,
right?
I think it has been made pretty clear: the current focus is on getting the firmware merged upstream with the main linux branch, along with fixing some drivers. After that is done, the devs might begin work on the tv out. This assumes that progress is still being made, but unfortunately, until we see a new firmware update nobody is going to be developing these features. I am still holding out hope that we will see a firmware update in the next year, but if that never happens, neither will anything else. I am pulling for you, dev team!
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Excalibur on June 09, 2017, 01:42:47 pm
Maybe @Surkow can shed some light on this?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on June 09, 2017, 05:26:02 pm
We still have no news on a future update that supports TV out,
right?
I think it has been made pretty clear: the current focus is on getting the firmware merged upstream with the main linux branch, along with fixing some drivers. After that is done, the devs might begin work on the tv out. This assumes that progress is still being made, but unfortunately, until we see a new firmware update nobody is going to be developing these features. I am still holding out hope that we will see a firmware update in the next year, but if that never happens, neither will anything else. I am pulling for you, dev team!
ok Thanks

I hope that one year of these it's possible this.
by 2020 if possible.XD
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Excalibur on June 09, 2017, 05:43:10 pm
 ;D We all sure hope it'll be way earlier than 2020
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on June 11, 2017, 06:11:15 pm
I wanted to know what Pcercuei was doing with GCW0 and it seems like he's still actively working
on merging his patches to upstream. He has posted a bunch of patches in June 7 2017. (also in May 3, April 28 etc...)
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1706.0/05684.html (http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1706.0/05684.html)

His last commit in his own branch was in April 1 2017 so i think it fair to say that we're coming closer to have the GCW-Zero
upstream in the kernel.
When that will happen, they will also be able to make use of a newer and better Etnaviv, which is nice i guess.

Anyway, merging even a small patch to the linux kernel sounds extremely tricky,
how do we know if the patches were accepted upstream ? x_x
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on June 12, 2017, 05:29:12 pm
The complete list is here: https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/LKML/list/?submitter=13461
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: wepecko on June 13, 2017, 02:02:25 pm
The complete list is here: https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/LKML/list/?submitter=13461

Thanks Paul for your hard work. I don't mind to wait, this is great what you do and I wish you success.
The scope of GCW is the past not the future of gaming so we can only improve what is already great. Hardware seems to be built good enough to serve years. that means software will come sooner or later, if there is enough demand...
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: thefifthgiant on June 13, 2017, 03:13:15 pm
that means software will come sooner or later, if there is enough demand...

Well if it helps, you can count me twice in regards to demand..  ;)

In all seriousness, it is heartening to see your continued progress and hard work pcercuei, it is much appreciated!
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on June 13, 2017, 07:52:16 pm
What the newz firmware will mean to noobs :
- Supertuxkart will run faster, 15 FPS versus 5 FPS.
- Fade to Black will have less framerate drops
- Mupen64Plus will run super smash bros n64 faster omg omg
- less graphical glitches, lugaru will finally run omg omg
- 60fps for cannonballs wow very impressed
- gltron will no longer be for blind people alone (http://boards.dingoonity.org/gcw-development/gltron-for-the-blinds/msg152292/#msg152292)
-MKXP will no longer crash, rpg maker xp games yay
- Picolove will run with graphics this is pure sex

what will not change :
- nds emulation will still be sluggish, lel
- due to uclibc, QEMU will still not run due to linux-aio, FOOLS !
NO PEBBLE EMULATION FOR YOU !!!
- Virtualjaguar will still be sluggish :(

Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on June 14, 2017, 10:26:05 am
Nothing from all the above.

Again, we can't use the upstream etnaviv until we have a KMS video driver.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on June 15, 2017, 02:54:17 am
Nothing from all the above.
Again, we can't use the upstream etnaviv until we have a KMS video driver.
But we could use the DRM driver with Xorg. What's preventing that ?
But of course its probably best to be compatible with existing GCW0 software...
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: pcercuei on June 15, 2017, 11:22:12 am
Nothing from all the above.
Again, we can't use the upstream etnaviv until we have a KMS video driver.
But we could use the DRM driver with Xorg. What's preventing that ?
We have no KMS/DRM driver.

Also Xorg on a 320x240 screen? Seriously?  ;D
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Fei on August 22, 2017, 12:18:20 am
Still want the TV out and USB OTG so bad...... That was the only reason I took the GCW-0, so... :(
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: opt2not on August 22, 2017, 03:39:16 am
Well you chose poorly then. Really, the GCW shines as a portable. I haven't a clue why you'd solely make your choice to buy a GCW on the A/V out promises alone. There are a lot more options of getting emulated games onto your big screen these days...
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on August 22, 2017, 07:27:51 pm
Still want the TV out and USB OTG so bad...... That was the only reason I took the GCW-0, so... :(
leololeollelleleo

USB OTG might happen when new firmware comes out in 2019 but TV out ?
No way man, no reverse engineered it
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on September 04, 2017, 12:13:27 pm
Still want the TV out and USB OTG so bad...... That was the only reason I took the GCW-0, so... :(
+1

I also want TV output to be able to put the console on a CRT TV.


..and USB OTG.


edi: No pierdo la esperanza de que salgan estas dos funciones que prometieron, alg?n a?o de estos. Aunque sea en 2020.  ;)
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on January 26, 2018, 12:31:13 am
We're already at 2018.

??There's less!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: opt2not on January 26, 2018, 06:19:02 pm
With hdmi out, and usb otg, this would essentially be like the Nintendo Switch. It would be awesome to build a little dock for it too...

...yeah, I got dreams.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Compiler Compadre on March 15, 2018, 12:44:21 pm
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/583173617/retrostone-ultimate-retrogaming-console?lang=de (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/583173617/retrostone-ultimate-retrogaming-console?lang=de)
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: lemmywinks on March 15, 2018, 05:02:58 pm
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/583173617/retrostone-ultimate-retrogaming-console?lang=de (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/583173617/retrostone-ultimate-retrogaming-console?lang=de)

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/019/927/880/78b6ee8793991068cd09f1d3702b1b10_original.bmp?w=680&fit=max&v=1516527703&auto=format&q=92&s=9549776b5b5eda9cf7c5c699255bcccc)

Gameboy format is borderline useless for any emulation that requires shoulder buttons as that absolute clusterfuck of a console shows.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Compiler Compadre on March 16, 2018, 05:40:56 am
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/583173617/retrostone-ultimate-retrogaming-console?lang=de (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/583173617/retrostone-ultimate-retrogaming-console?lang=de)

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/019/927/880/78b6ee8793991068cd09f1d3702b1b10_original.bmp?w=680&fit=max&v=1516527703&auto=format&q=92&s=9549776b5b5eda9cf7c5c699255bcccc)

Gameboy format is borderline useless for any emulation that requires shoulder buttons as that absolute clusterfuck of a console shows.
lol, yes you might be right but it sure supports the features requested in this thread. I think it's great that you can connect it to a monitor or TV and also connect mouse, keyboard and other controllers via usb. I own a gcw zero and I love it very much but for all the amiga games like Gobliiins or the great adventures for ScummVM I think it would be great to have the possibility to connect mouse and keyboard to the device. I wouldn't even mind playing these games on the handheld display.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: howie_k on March 16, 2018, 09:21:05 am
If you look at the Kickstarter campaign section you will see they have updated the button layout following feedback, still not ideal though.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Excalibur on March 19, 2018, 06:24:36 pm
I'm probably gonna back this RetroStone thing.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: congusbongus on March 21, 2018, 02:16:46 am
I don't like the gameboy layout, the gameboy advance layout used by GCW-Zero (and many others) is better, less cramped, better shoulder button layout as mentioned. Gameboy SP has a similar layout but at least it's clamshell so it's more portable.

Still, it looks like raspberry-pi-based devices are good, they have the advantage of having a bigger software ecosystem. Is there a non-DIY raspberry-pi handheld with this layout?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: Jutleys on April 27, 2018, 10:30:39 pm
I should have mine soon june i think.
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: superfenix2020 on June 02, 2018, 01:43:50 pm
is there any news about TV Out for GCW Zero output?
Title: Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
Post by: gameblabla on June 02, 2018, 03:04:11 pm
is there any news about TV Out for GCW Zero output?
No schedule and rocking.

Pcerceui has managed to merge most of his changes upstream last time i heard.
He also said that they are not going to work on that until after the new firmware gets released if i'm not mistaken.
No words however on everything else related to the firmware.