Author Topic: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?  (Read 23886 times)

Surkow

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2016, 09:27:25 pm »
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It was actually usable but very buggy, and not thouroughly tested.
Aside from the bugs, people should also consider the fact that you either have ethernet over USB _or_ MTP. Not both at the same time.

Edit: it appears that both features can co-exist but during the testing phase enabling both would trigger kernel bugs.

ker

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2016, 10:28:49 pm »
I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)

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Eliwood_san

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2016, 12:00:40 am »
I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)

Please correct me if I misunderstand, but it sounded like the USB device needed to identity to the computer (host) as an MTP device (peripheral) for it to be handled that way by the computer. Does/can the zero already do that? Is the daemon for the host or peripheral end of the communication?

Im agreed with gameblaba because filezilla corrupted sometimes some files ,you need to figure out how to tweak the damn filezilla to get %100  working operative to the gcw zero.Another reason why i need so badly the mtp connection... i mention two words for enough reason:Windows 10.

Some people have the gcw zero working in Windows 10 connected to the computer using the mini usb cable,for me i dont have that option even i updated to anniversary update and force the drivers signed  using this file:

http://www.harteex.com/temp/gcw.inf

And yes i have the last firmware updated to my gcw zero and tested with new 3 cables mini usb.The 3 cables only work to supply power to my gcw zero...
My GCW Zero only works in wifi mode to send files in Windows 10.

Note:My GCW Zero works perfect with the mini usb cable connected on the computer,yeah perfect only to use it in Windows 7.In windows 10 doesnt work anymore with usb cable.


The daemon is for the peripheral side.

The repo is actually this one: https://github.com/OpenDingux/mtpserver
It's a different program - the one linked by gameblabla was picked from Mer / Meego, this one is the one developped by Canonical for the Ubuntu Phone OS.

I didn't touch it for quite a long time, maybe updating it to the latest upstream code fixes some bugs.
It was actually usable but very buggy, and not thouroughly tested.

Thank you for giving this information,in fact i will wait for the next firmware with those changes.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2016, 12:05:07 am by alexei_gp »

gameblabla

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2016, 01:01:30 am »
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I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)
I'm not saying Filezilla is bad : i use it everyday for my website and stuff.
But as far as the GCW0's is concerned, you can't expect the user who knows little about the computers to tweak Filezilla and change a settings to avoid weird issues like this one.
And it happenned with all the files, especially ISO files. I don't think it actually looks at the extension.

I was able to use my GCW0 on Windows 8 but strangely not on Windows 10.
Probably because Windows is crap lol, microsoft got triggered.

The repo is actually this one: https://github.com/OpenDingux/mtpserver
It's a different program - the one linked by gameblabla was picked from Mer / Meego, this one is the one developped by Canonical for the Ubuntu Phone OS.
lol, i linked to the wrong one. sorry guys

Drakonas

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2016, 10:57:56 pm »
Why doesn't anyone just not use FileZilla, and use something simpler like WinSCP if you're using Windows. lol. FileZilla is a bit bloated in my opinion, and a bit old-fashioned.

Also there's gFTP and FireFTP and Nautilus's FTP support if you need alternate platform support. Mac also has a brilliant FTP software called CyberDuck.

On the topic of development, I've seen the work that the devs have been doing, and it's going steady, but most of the problem is we need developers that are more knowledgeable in some areas. A few of our major developers in the community, iirc, left for work on other platforms, so work is now slower because of that.

I cracked my screen and I've dealt with it for a while (the pixels haven't been affected), but thankfully I was able to order a new one via aliexpress. Hopefully I won't mess something up on my GCW-Zero or else I will be very sad.

In any case, I wish the developers the best in what they do. If a firmware update comes out it'd be best to have one as stable as the August 2014 update has been. Quality over features for sure for me.

gameblabla

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2016, 12:39:30 am »
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Why doesn't anyone just not use FileZilla, and use something simpler like WinSCP if you're using Windows. lol. FileZilla is a bit bloated in my opinion, and a bit old-fashioned.
But what about those who don't use Windows like me ?  :P

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In any case, I wish the developers the best in what they do. If a firmware update comes out it'd be best to have one as stable as the August 2014 update has been. Quality over features for sure for me.
You are very optimistic Darkonas.
While the underlying has changed a lot, for the end user, not much has changed. (probably because there isn't a lot to fix anyway lol)
The next update probably is going to be either minor or it's going to take a while before we see anything substantial.
By the time the next firmware comes out,
the GCW0 would be completely gone of this market... well actually that's already the case.
It's sad to see lots of effort being spent and ultimately have only a few of handful users to try it.
But maybe it is better that way... i heard horror stories from the iOS jailbreak scene.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2016, 12:47:50 am by gameblabla »

Eliwood_san

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2016, 01:47:46 am »
In my case im using windows 10 and i cant use filezilla or any ftp client with my GCW Zero because windows 10 its broken and yes i have usb 2.0 port in my new laptop.In windows 7 works flawless...Thats why i desired too much to have mtp connection for any GCW Zero.

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2016, 02:44:28 am »
In my case im using windows 10 and i cant use filezilla or any ftp client with my GCW Zero because windows 10 its broken and yes i have usb 2.0 port in my new laptop.In windows 7 works flawless...Thats why i desired too much to have mtp connection for any GCW Zero.
I doubt that Windows 10 is broken; it's more likely something missing from filezilla or something set up incorrectly. What sort of error messages are you seeing?

I use GCW Zero Manager over wifi and works perfectly; if we added raw FTP to that, would it work also?

It doesn't seem like a deal-breaker to me, as there are other workarounds to transferring files. TV out is the more interesting feature, with USB OTG used for connecting additional controllers.

Eliwood_san

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2016, 10:34:41 pm »
In my case im using windows 10 and i cant use filezilla or any ftp client with my GCW Zero because windows 10 its broken and yes i have usb 2.0 port in my new laptop.In windows 7 works flawless...Thats why i desired too much to have mtp connection for any GCW Zero.
I doubt that Windows 10 is broken; it's more likely something missing from filezilla or something set up incorrectly. What sort of error messages are you seeing?

I use GCW Zero Manager over wifi and works perfectly; if we added raw FTP to that, would it work also?

It doesn't seem like a deal-breaker to me, as there are other workarounds to transferring files. TV out is the more interesting feature, with USB OTG used for connecting additional controllers.


Using the wifi connection its working fine my GCW Zero with windows 10 but  connecting to the port usb 2.0 its not working and yes i purchase many mini usb cable and doesnt connect to the filezilla client.I used this wiki guide to connect to the usb port and transfer my files to my GCW Zero:

http://wiki.surkow.com/Quick_Start_Guide#FTP_connection

zhongtiao1

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2016, 01:38:38 am »
Is there a way to build the current github source to install on the zero to test out?

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gameblabla

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2016, 02:00:10 am »
Is there a way to build the current github source to install on the zero to test out?

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If you're stuck on Windows, you don't want to attempt that lol.
Plus, like others and i said, none of the new things/progress was merged to master yet
so the only thing you get is a newer kernel.

pcercuei

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2016, 12:34:57 pm »
Plus, like others and i said, none of the new things/progress was merged to master yet
so the only thing you get is a newer kernel.
Huh? So what is "master" for you?

gameblabla

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2016, 04:02:34 pm »
Huh? So what is "master" for you?
oops sorry what i meant that the buildroot repo at the moment only seems to allow you to build stable versions of the firmware.

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2016, 02:50:38 pm »
Huh? So what is "master" for you?
oops sorry what i meant that the buildroot repo at the moment only seems to allow you to build stable versions of the firmware.
So we don't do much development in Buildroot, much more in the kernel: https://github.com/gcwnow/linux
It's a bit tricky to follow the changes, since we work in many different branches and not the default one (jz-4.5). For instance the recent changes are in jz-4.8.2-wip-pinctrl and jz-4.7-tcu-syscon. Also, most of the work right now is focusing on upstreaming. I want a good part of our changes in Linux 4.11.

superfenix2020 (OP)

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2017, 09:59:04 am »
Any news of a firm future to enable video output?

that will depend on whether or not to sell my Zero.

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2017, 03:42:39 pm »
Any news of a firm future to enable video output?

that will depend on whether or not to sell my Zero.
You're asking if a firm or company will work on HDMI out support ?
Nah, this is not going to happen, especially since the GCW Zero is met with supply issues.
It is (and was from the beginning) entirely supported by a few people in the community.

It was never backed by a company and no employees were hired, unlike what Justin said.
With Justin having family issues (or so i heard), don't expect anything from him.

Like it was said a billion times, they'll try to merge some GCW Zero changes to upstream.
(like it was done for the Raspberry PI, Nexus 5 etc...)
However, this depend on the good willing of the maintainers accepting the changes.

Plus, the maintainers made some changes to accepting DRM patches, this could further
delay accepting the changes. (however, i think that it's mostly unaffected by that, need to check)

And no one reversed engineered the HDMI out in the vivante.

TLDR; not going to happen any time soon. You can put your GCW0 on Ebay
« Last Edit: April 07, 2017, 03:47:22 pm by gameblabla »

superfenix2020 (OP)

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2017, 09:33:23 am »
We still have no news on a future update that supports TV out,
right?

thefifthgiant

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2017, 01:39:32 pm »
We still have no news on a future update that supports TV out,
right?
I think it has been made pretty clear: the current focus is on getting the firmware merged upstream with the main linux branch, along with fixing some drivers. After that is done, the devs might begin work on the tv out. This assumes that progress is still being made, but unfortunately, until we see a new firmware update nobody is going to be developing these features. I am still holding out hope that we will see a firmware update in the next year, but if that never happens, neither will anything else. I am pulling for you, dev team!

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2017, 01:42:47 pm »
Maybe @Surkow can shed some light on this?
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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2017, 05:26:02 pm »
We still have no news on a future update that supports TV out,
right?
I think it has been made pretty clear: the current focus is on getting the firmware merged upstream with the main linux branch, along with fixing some drivers. After that is done, the devs might begin work on the tv out. This assumes that progress is still being made, but unfortunately, until we see a new firmware update nobody is going to be developing these features. I am still holding out hope that we will see a firmware update in the next year, but if that never happens, neither will anything else. I am pulling for you, dev team!
ok Thanks

I hope that one year of these it's possible this.
by 2020 if possible.XD

 

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