Author Topic: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?  (Read 9104 times)

gameblabla

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2016, 10:06:58 pm »
I dont' know why everyone wants to turn their zeros into playstation tvs.

Atlantis_Risen

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2016, 10:28:19 pm »
I dont' know why everyone wants to turn their zeros into playstation tvs.

Personally, I want TV out combined with USB OTG to hook up a couple of gamepads for playing with two or more people.  That would be huge.

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2016, 02:42:10 am »
I dont' know why everyone wants to turn their zeros into playstation tvs.

Personally, I want TV out combined with USB OTG to hook up a couple of gamepads for playing with two or more people.  That would be huge.

 Yeah, basically I would just want these features so I could use it as a home console with multiple players simultaneously being able to take it on the go as a portable.

 If you guys could get these features nailed out in the next month or two… You would beat the Nintendo NX to the punch hahahahha

 Either way, I love it as a portable and other than upgrading the controls… It truly is amazing as is. These extra features  would just be bonus and really fun for you and your friends all at once.

Ryvan

Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2016, 11:04:30 pm »
Follow https://github.com/gcwnow/ if you want to see what developers are working on.
Actually no, because 'gcwnow' is like a virtual user that we use to store the repos, so it shows no activity.

Instead, you can follow the https://github.com/gcwnow/linux repository, that's where all the fun stuff happens.

That may be "...  where all the fun stuff happens. ...", but it's impossible to really tell what's going on happening by looking at a github repository, especially when it has like 20-30 branches (presumably on various kernel versions, but idk). What's needed is for someone to parse that into some general statements/status information that other people can understand. Linux kernel development and system programming are pretty far removed from even serious developers of games and applications. It's also pretty impossible to tell what's an improvement unless you build a firmware image and flash it to your device. Nobody can simulate hardware software in their head.

Mostly just curious, but are there directions anywhere on how to get from the source code to a working image you can flash?

I would think graphics driver updates and anything immediately necessary would have priority, unless I misunderstand something. Certain features/improvemnets are definitely of more interest to the users than the developers.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2016, 11:08:40 pm by Ryvan »

gameblabla

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2016, 11:31:04 pm »
Mostly just curious, but are there directions anywhere on how to get from the source code to a working image you can flash?
I think that's what you're looking for :
https://github.com/gcwnow/buildroot

You can even build a firmware with Musl instead of uclibc !
But of course, you should build it against uclibc.

I would think graphics driver updates and anything immediately necessary would have priority, unless I misunderstand something. Certain features/improvemnets are definitely of more interest to the users than the developers.
Except they can't do much as far graphics drivers are concerned because it is not their work.

alexei_gp

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2016, 06:27:22 am »
Another improvement i want for the GCW Zero its have the mtp connection mode like android.Having mtp connection we can ride for once the crappy filezilla program and using the default explorer(Windows,linux etc).Some dev here suggested that feature for the GCW Zero but i dont know if have plans to release this feature in the next firmware...

Ryvan

Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2016, 05:34:14 pm »
FileZilla isn't crappy at all, just say you'd prefer to use something other than FTP/SFTP if that's what you mean. If you're using Windows you could just the GCW Zero Manager already (granted it still uses SFTP, but it's a little bit less tedious after the initial setup especially if you're just transferring OPKs. You could also use WinSCP and switch on explorer mode which changes the program's interface to look more like windows explorer.

I have no idea when or if there will be a next firmware release myself. Largely speculative,  but if they have to change what kind of device it appears as over USB I think that's probably going to take some time and it will probably have to be turned on by the user rather than being a default setting. Not sure how that would play with getting a network connection over USB.

gameblabla

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2016, 05:59:28 pm »
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FileZilla isn't crappy at all, just say you'd prefer to use something other than FTP/SFTP if that's what you mean. If you're using Windows you could just the GCW Zero Manager already (granted it still uses SFTP, but it's a little bit less tedious after the initial setup especially if you're just transferring OPKs. You could also use WinSCP and switch on explorer mode which changes the program's interface to look more like windows explorer.
I have to agree with alexei_gp : FileZilla is not designed for file transfering to a local device.
Also, since Filezilla by default is set to "Auto" mode, that means sometimes files can be incorrectly detected as ASCII files
and it will end up with a corrupted file on the Zero.
You don't know how many users ran into many issues on my emulators only for them to realise it was due to Filezilla's default.

That said, last time i talked with pcercuei, he said he has not worked on mtp for a while and he did not tested it.
Here's the mtp daemon on his repo :
https://github.com/pcercuei/mtpd

As far as i know, i think they had sucesfully switched to the new build system but i'm not sure. (i have not checked that)
There is still a lot of things to be done before they can release it or else you might end up being disappointed.
It might take a while tho... I'm not sure if it will be released by Mid-2017, as it depends on a large amount of factors.

Ryvan

Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2016, 07:24:35 pm »
I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)

Please correct me if I misunderstand, but it sounded like the USB device needed to identity to the computer (host) as an MTP device (peripheral) for it to be handled that way by the computer. Does/can the zero already do that? Is the daemon for the host or peripheral end of the communication?

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2016, 07:57:16 pm »
The daemon is for the peripheral side.

The repo is actually this one: https://github.com/OpenDingux/mtpserver
It's a different program - the one linked by gameblabla was picked from Mer / Meego, this one is the one developped by Canonical for the Ubuntu Phone OS.

I didn't touch it for quite a long time, maybe updating it to the latest upstream code fixes some bugs.
It was actually usable but very buggy, and not thouroughly tested.

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2016, 09:27:25 pm »
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It was actually usable but very buggy, and not thouroughly tested.
Aside from the bugs, people should also consider the fact that you either have ethernet over USB _or_ MTP. Not both at the same time.

Edit: it appears that both features can co-exist but during the testing phase enabling both would trigger kernel bugs.

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2016, 10:28:49 pm »
I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)

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alexei_gp

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2016, 12:00:40 am »
I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)

Please correct me if I misunderstand, but it sounded like the USB device needed to identity to the computer (host) as an MTP device (peripheral) for it to be handled that way by the computer. Does/can the zero already do that? Is the daemon for the host or peripheral end of the communication?

Im agreed with gameblaba because filezilla corrupted sometimes some files ,you need to figure out how to tweak the damn filezilla to get %100  working operative to the gcw zero.Another reason why i need so badly the mtp connection... i mention two words for enough reason:Windows 10.

Some people have the gcw zero working in Windows 10 connected to the computer using the mini usb cable,for me i dont have that option even i updated to anniversary update and force the drivers signed  using this file:

http://www.harteex.com/temp/gcw.inf

And yes i have the last firmware updated to my gcw zero and tested with new 3 cables mini usb.The 3 cables only work to supply power to my gcw zero...
My GCW Zero only works in wifi mode to send files in Windows 10.

Note:My GCW Zero works perfect with the mini usb cable connected on the computer,yeah perfect only to use it in Windows 7.In windows 10 doesnt work anymore with usb cable.


The daemon is for the peripheral side.

The repo is actually this one: https://github.com/OpenDingux/mtpserver
It's a different program - the one linked by gameblabla was picked from Mer / Meego, this one is the one developped by Canonical for the Ubuntu Phone OS.

I didn't touch it for quite a long time, maybe updating it to the latest upstream code fixes some bugs.
It was actually usable but very buggy, and not thouroughly tested.

Thank you for giving this information,in fact i will wait for the next firmware with those changes.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2016, 12:05:07 am by alexei_gp »

gameblabla

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Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2016, 01:01:30 am »
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I fail to see how it's the program's fault that you or anyone wants to rely on default settings and expect it to work perfectly every time. That user ignorance/error at work. The issue you describe does not seem like it has anything to do with a 'local device' at all. Connecting to the zero over wifi or even just a computer and transferring the files in question with auto detection of text vs binary enabled would still result in a corrupted file. The only fault that I can see would be if it can't be told to assume binary for files without a text specific extension (txt,json,xml,c,java,etc)
I'm not saying Filezilla is bad : i use it everyday for my website and stuff.
But as far as the GCW0's is concerned, you can't expect the user who knows little about the computers to tweak Filezilla and change a settings to avoid weird issues like this one.
And it happenned with all the files, especially ISO files. I don't think it actually looks at the extension.

I was able to use my GCW0 on Windows 8 but strangely not on Windows 10.
Probably because Windows is crap lol, microsoft got triggered.

The repo is actually this one: https://github.com/OpenDingux/mtpserver
It's a different program - the one linked by gameblabla was picked from Mer / Meego, this one is the one developped by Canonical for the Ubuntu Phone OS.
lol, i linked to the wrong one. sorry guys

Drakonas

Re: Why GCW-Zero does not yet function HDMI Out And USB OTG?
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2016, 10:57:56 pm »
Why doesn't anyone just not use FileZilla, and use something simpler like WinSCP if you're using Windows. lol. FileZilla is a bit bloated in my opinion, and a bit old-fashioned.

Also there's gFTP and FireFTP and Nautilus's FTP support if you need alternate platform support. Mac also has a brilliant FTP software called CyberDuck.

On the topic of development, I've seen the work that the devs have been doing, and it's going steady, but most of the problem is we need developers that are more knowledgeable in some areas. A few of our major developers in the community, iirc, left for work on other platforms, so work is now slower because of that.

I cracked my screen and I've dealt with it for a while (the pixels haven't been affected), but thankfully I was able to order a new one via aliexpress. Hopefully I won't mess something up on my GCW-Zero or else I will be very sad.

In any case, I wish the developers the best in what they do. If a firmware update comes out it'd be best to have one as stable as the August 2014 update has been. Quality over features for sure for me.

 

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