Author Topic: We need a GCW Zero 2  (Read 1300 times)

davidgilmour (OP)

We need a GCW Zero 2
« on: July 05, 2017, 09:23:03 am »
With a better 4:3 screen
D pad just like the PS Vita
Better buttons
And a 2ghz or 3ghz processor to play the more recent arcade games.
Willing to pay $200.

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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2017, 09:58:19 am »
D-pad needs to be the same as the SEGA Saturn's one.
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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2017, 12:48:54 pm »
The better 4:3 screen is already out there. Ask @com64  ;D

As for the buttons/d-pad, check out the GCW-Zero Shapeways Store. It's not like the SEGA Saturn, but rumor has it's a lot better than the stock GCW Zero D-Pad.

In theory, you could 3D-Print your own shell modified to use a SS-Style D-Pad.
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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2017, 12:55:34 pm »
For what it's worth, my dream GCW-Zero would have a nice crisp backlit screen like the GPD and a MAME Emulator that will support both old and new ROMs (right now you're SOL with probably 80% of NeoGeo and MAME/FBA Games). The SEGA Saturn-style D-PAD is an interesting feature, though. Playing SEGA Games can be challenging because SEGA had ABC XYZ Buttons (some Arcade games had them too).
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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2017, 01:54:08 pm »
At most you can expect a move from the Ingenic JZ4770 SoC to the Ingenic JZ4780. It will double the number of CPU cores and the CPU cache size. Therefore the difference will be minimal and might only affect applications which use threading or multi-processing. Sadly enough the JZ4780 uses a PowerVR instead of a Vivante GPU - which means switching from open source to closed source drivers. Running bleeding edge kernels will be a thing of the past.

To reiterate what makes the GCW Zero a proper (spiritial) successor to the Dingoo A320 is using a compatible CPU architecture. If you are going to suggest switching to ARM we will lose a big chunk of the motivated developers and some of the existing software is not compatible with ARM. It'll result in an arms race (no pun intended) and you'll have to release a new device every few years because ARM compatible phones and other devices will keep ramping up their efforts for less money. This is something the majority of the new users on these forums fail to grasp.

Alternatively we could wait for the MIPS Warrior series (delayed since 2014), but the change might alienate some of the low level developers preferring the current MIPS architecture.

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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2017, 01:16:34 am »
At most you can expect a move from the Ingenic JZ4770 SoC to the Ingenic JZ4780. It will double the number of CPU cores and the CPU cache size. Therefore the difference will be minimal and might only affect applications which use threading or multi-processing. Sadly enough the JZ4780 uses a PowerVR instead of a Vivante GPU - which means switching from open source to closed source drivers. Running bleeding edge kernels will be a thing of the past.

To reiterate what makes the GCW Zero a proper (spiritial) successor to the Dingoo A320 is using a compatible CPU architecture. If you are going to suggest switching to ARM we will lose a big chunk of the motivated developers and some of the existing software is not compatible with ARM. It'll result in an arms race (no pun intended) and you'll have to release a new device every few years because ARM compatible phones and other devices will keep ramping up their efforts for less money. This is something the majority of the new users on these forums fail to grasp.

Alternatively we could wait for the MIPS Warrior series (delayed since 2014), but the change might alienate some of the low level developers preferring the current MIPS architecture.

Or... We could go all out, be rebels and use the sparc64 architecture :P There would be no other console like it :D

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davidgilmour (OP)

Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 12:20:05 pm »
At most you can expect a move from the Ingenic JZ4770 SoC to the Ingenic JZ4780. It will double the number of CPU cores and the CPU cache size. Therefore the difference will be minimal and might only affect applications which use threading or multi-processing. Sadly enough the JZ4780 uses a PowerVR instead of a Vivante GPU - which means switching from open source to closed source drivers. Running bleeding edge kernels will be a thing of the past.

To reiterate what makes the GCW Zero a proper (spiritial) successor to the Dingoo A320 is using a compatible CPU architecture. If you are going to suggest switching to ARM we will lose a big chunk of the motivated developers and some of the existing software is not compatible with ARM. It'll result in an arms race (no pun intended) and you'll have to release a new device every few years because ARM compatible phones and other devices will keep ramping up their efforts for less money. This is something the majority of the new users on these forums fail to grasp.

Alternatively we could wait for the MIPS Warrior series (delayed since 2014), but the change might alienate some of the low level developers preferring the current MIPS architecture.

Well , we could also use Android? I am not that fund of Android because bluetooth will cause a delay but with a built-in controller,  Android could be an option?

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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 01:00:11 pm »
Well , we could also use Android? I am not that fund of Android because bluetooth will cause a delay but with a built-in controller,  Android could be an option?
Android on MIPS? That's not going to end well. The majority of the software on the Google Play store targets ARM based devices.

Plus even if we ignore the architecture, Android won't solve any of the other issues. We won't gain any extra developers because the majority of the Android community consists of end-users and not low level developers. Making custom roms and side loading APK files isn't comparable to writing drivers or emulators. We'd also be competing in a saturated market where devices exist which are way more affordable than some niche hardware project.

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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2017, 12:44:50 am »
Well , we could also use Android? I am not that fund of Android because bluetooth will cause a delay but with a built-in controller,  Android could be an option?
Android on MIPS? That's not going to end well. The majority of the software on the Google Play store targets ARM based devices.

Plus even if we ignore the architecture, Android won't solve any of the other issues. We won't gain any extra developers because the majority of the Android community consists of end-users and not low level developers. Making custom roms and side loading APK files isn't comparable to writing drivers or emulators. We'd also be competing in a saturated market where devices exist which are way more affordable than some niche hardware project.
So basically you are saying that there won't be a handheld with
5 inch
Low resolution
4:3 oled screen
2.5+ ghz processor
Open source ?

We wilk have to do it with our beloved 1ghz GCW? That is a bit sad, isn't it? So many newer games that won't play on it.
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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2017, 01:12:53 am »
Android on MIPS will not look so bad.
We still get the many Game Maker studios out there (they have MIPS libs built-in), plus the Java-only games and some open-source apps. (like Firefox and some games)
That alone is more than what the GCW-Zero currently has.

Unfortunately, there won't be another GCW-Zero with better specs due to ARM manufacturers being hostile to open-source by not making their drivers open-source.
You'll be lucky if your device supports U-Boots with 2D acceleration.

The only open-source boards are out there are the MIPS ones, the Tegra dev boards and the Raspberry Pi if we dont count the firmware.

We could make our own GCW-Zero 2 using raspberry pi 3s and Gmenu2x :DDDDD

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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2017, 08:07:38 pm »
inb4 MIPS and ARM co-processors on the same board. Might as well throw in an extra pentium D, too.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2017, 08:09:09 pm by com64 »

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Re: We need a GCW Zero 2
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2017, 01:08:17 am »
We could make our own GCW-Zero 2 using raspberry pi 3s and Gmenu2x :DDDDD

I think this will be the future for alternative handhelds besides Android. At the moment all the kits and tutorials really look crappy or are just boards and spare shells of offiicials handhelds and not that good as a bought handheld would look (1, 2, 3...).
Just as their now finally good looking gaming inspired Pi 3 cases are being released ([ur=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yikeshu-Retroflag-NESPi-Raspberry-Model/dp/B073ZDF8QXl]1[/url], thanks to the success of the NES Classic Mini), I really hope that in the near future we will see high quality kits which will make a handheld out of the Pi zero with the looks and built quality of the Revo K101, the GCW Zero...
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