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Dingoo Official Firmware => Hardware => Topic started by: divechaz on November 19, 2009, 02:34:05 pm

Title: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: divechaz on November 19, 2009, 02:34:05 pm
MAJOR EDIT:
PLEASE READ THIS FIRST before tackling 10+ pages of posts  ;):


This thread (which was originally called PAWED vs UNPAWED dingoos) has got incredibly long with loads of conflicting information on it (admittedly, as a result of loads of helpful people trying to contribute and update with their own info and experiences). I began it about 3 or 4 months ago when I attempted to piece together information on the two main types of Dingoos taht were out there in the market at the time (ones with the Pawed logo on the back, and ones without).
Now however, there have been loads of different types available, some HK models, some worse than others; and their functionality of seems to differ based on numerous factors.

On Feb 16th 2010, user "jeremymtc" has summed it all up very well on page 9 of this thread, so I've quoted him/her below. It may save you some time to read it first:

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There does appear to be much contradictory information out there (and within this thread) as you have noted.

It seems that the claims by some, stating that "all HK-serial Dingoos are lesser units" is an unfounded observation. Differing shipped firmware revisions are probably at the root of such rumors. A 4GB Dingoo is a 4GB Dingoo from a basic user functionality point of view. There DO seem to be some functional differences with regard to flashing/unbricking procedures on the newer units (shipped with 2x2GB memory chips and newer firmwares versus the older 1x4GB version), but the whole "issue" here seems to be blown out of proportion. The key would seemingly be to identify which version of the hardware and firmware you have, and to use the suitable tools for these procedures as necessary. 

Another unfounded observation seems to be that "All Ebay-sourced Dingoos are inferior". While there are documented reports of some 2GB Dingoos with a smaller battery capacity being sold on Ebay, this does not generally appear to be the rule. As always, the buyer should do due diligence in making sure that they are purchasing what they think they are purchasing. I personally have not seen any of these Chinese Domestic Market Dingoos for sale anywhere.

The whole "Pawed" versus "Unpawed" thing is not a reliable indicator of anything, though it might have meant something a year ago. See Justin's (dingoo-digital-usa) posts on this board for proof of this. The pawprints apparently had to do with branding and distributing of these units more than hardware or function. The presence or lack of pawprints is not a valid identifier. Battery type and memory type IS a valid identifier:

First Gen 4GB Dingoo, Export (Western) Version: 1x4GB memory chip, 3.7v 1700mah Battery  / 3.7v 1800mah Battery (Thanks Santino!)

Later 4GB Dingoo, HK & Non-HK Serials: 2x2GB memory chips, 3.7v 1700mah / 3.7v 1800mah Battery

Chinese Domestic 2GB Dingoo, HK Serial (or no serial): 1x2GB or 2x1GB memory chips (?) / 3.7v 1000mah Battery

If anybody knows of or has any revisions to make regarding the basic types above (ie; serial numbering or firmware revisions shipped with them), please speak up!
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If you still want to go through the whole thread, of course, you have my blessing  ;D :D Just keep in mind that the information is continually changing, and stuff that was accurate in Dec 09 might be totally wrong by now.

My original message that started this thread in Nov 2009 begins below:

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Been furiously lurking on these boards for the last few weeks, and have placed my order for a new Dingoo finally.
Looking forward to it like you wouldn't believe  :D but one thing that has hit me is how there's these issues with two kinds of Dingoos (the older Pawed ones, and the newer ones that don't have the Dingoo Paw logo on them).

There has been some really helpful info from all over the boards from different members, and my only aim here is to try and summarise or centralise all that info. (I don't take any credit for any of the information here, the research has all been done by far more intelligent, intrepid and dedicated Dingoo-lovers who've shared so much for the community  ;D

So here we go. Anyone with more info (or their own experiences with a pawed or unpawed unit that would relate) please feel free to add on to all this!

HARDWARE:
MiltonB has provided some great comparison pics of the inside electronic guts of the two Dingoo versions
http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-hardware-general/photos-of-new-unpawed-unit/

There's been some reference to the fact that the newer (unpawed) dingoos use cheaper materials or not as well built, but the discussion seems to be go back and forth about whether that is truly the case. What can be confirmed is that:

"its 2x 2gb chips for the internal Dingoo NAND rather than a single 4gb chip found in the older Pawprinted Dingoos.
Presumably because 2x 2gb chips are probably cheaper.

My speculation is that these cost cutting measures are to improve profit margins. Dingoo is probably more popular than Dingoo Digital anticipated (thanks to Dingux) hence these cost cutting measures". (quoted from Shred)

ruffnuts pointed out that:
Also the pawed Dingoo`s have 1700mah batteries and the unpawed versions have 1800mah batteries...."
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EDIT:
However, as has been pointed out below by a poster (wejp), it seems that there are 1800mah batteries in the newer pawed units as well, so there isn't 100% consistency on that point.
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Dingoo-digital-usa, (who is also a seller of dingoo products if I'm not mistaken) had this to share:
"On chat and the e-mails I get from Dingoo Digital China it states from this point forward all Dingoo Digital A320 will come with no logo only A320 made in China on the back. I asked why the response I got was several vendors had requested there be no logo on the back. As I said previously the only conclusion I can come to is this is so they can market it with there logo or branding.
The Dingoo still comes up with the Dingoo-Digital and the paw when you power up with this non pawed A320's but lets be honest with the HXF Tool any vendor could change that to Brand them with their boot up logo and screen print the back of the casing with their logo also. But answer to your question as of now that is the plan no more Dingoo-Digital or The paw print or Chinese Symbol on the back only A320 made in China."

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PROBLEMS:

 So far, the main problem with the newer unpawed Dingoos seems to be "Freezing issues".
Newer Dingoos have problems with the memory allocation routines in some of the home brewed apps or some emulators
Specifically GNUBoy port for the native firmware freezes when trying to load a second rom after quitting the first.

Harteex has a testing thread to find out more (you can read it all here):
http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-development/non-pawed-dingoo-testing-thread/
also, Dingoo digital usa has done some more testing at:
http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-emulation/no-paw-print-on-dingoo-a320-issues-with-emualtors-posted/

what seems to emerge is that (through a variety of memory tests beyond my mere mortal understanding ;)  ), members have narrowed it down to GnuBoy and LynGOO being the two emulators that glitch and freeze in the newer unpawed units.

There ARE update/ fixes for this floating around as well:
 http://www.portabledev.com/temp/SmsGGOOV31.SIM

and some people have reported success with it.

For some extensive reading on it, check out:
http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-general/freeze-issue-with-new-manufactured-dingoo's-and-three-emu's/

(If anyone else has specific problems with the unpawed, feel free to add them all in here)

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So now, I have a question (and everyone, please feel free to add on, so that people can contribute more answers)

Q: All these issues with homebrew apps and native OS emulators aside; are there major issues with running Dingux on these new Dingoos (i.e. issues that would NOT be there with an older, pawed version?)


UPDATE Jan 2010:


"Shred" has pointed out below that:
As I understand it, its not quite as simple as "old" and "new" Dingoos anymore. (Pawed and Unpawed models)
I believe there are 4 different models of Dingoo now.

1) The original Export Pawed Dingoo. (no longer manufactured)
2) Unpawed Export Dingoo. (currently produced)
3) 2gb Chinese Pawed Dingoo (with 1000 mAh battery) - has problems running native homebrew.
4) 4gb Chinese Pawed Dingoo (Serial ends in HK) - has problems running native homebrew.

In case anyone who's bought a Dingoo recently is wondering what they have, you can find your serial number (and see if it ends with "HK" for Hong Kong) on the bottom of your Dingoo, between the USB port and your left speaker.

Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: omgmog on November 21, 2009, 10:21:32 am
A very good idea for a topic, stickied :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Kronus on November 21, 2009, 10:24:58 am
All emulators and applications are now fixed and should work with the both pawed & undpawed Dingoos.  ;D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: QBert on November 21, 2009, 04:02:33 pm
All emulators and applications are now fixed and should work with the both pawed & undpawed Dingoos.  ;D

I still experienced freezing on my non-paw with the "fixed" Gnuboy.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Harteex on November 21, 2009, 11:46:01 pm
Yea GnuBoy isn't really fixed, I have no idea how to delete the file from the file archive...
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Azm0deus on November 22, 2009, 09:22:03 am
Well i don't know if this happens only in unpawed dingoos but mine can't run .JBC roms (in the GBA folder) if i change the name of the roms or move them to another folder.

I can't install dingux either, but again I don't know if the cause is related to unpawed dingoos.. The lcd version is ILI9331.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Kalisiin on November 22, 2009, 01:37:12 pm
Well i don't know if this happens only in unpawed dingoos but mine can't run .JBC roms (in the GBA folder) if i change the name of the roms or move them to another folder.

I can't install dingux either, but again I don't know if the cause is related to unpawed dingoos.. The lcd version is ILI9331.

That is because they should be JGC....not JBC.  Try renaming them.

More likely your difficulty with installing Dingux comes from the fact you are probably using Vista, or 7 instead of XP.  Seems 64-bit users are having difficulty.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on November 22, 2009, 01:54:05 pm
Iirc, .jgc roms must be started over "3D Games". Can?t test that right now, as i deleted them all.  :D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Kalisiin on November 22, 2009, 06:23:32 pm
Iirc, .jgc roms must be started over "3D Games". Can?t test that right now, as i deleted them all.  :D

Nope.  I got mine mixed in with my .GBA games, and they boot up just fine that way.

Only the .APP games have to go over in 3D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Azm0deus on November 22, 2009, 07:18:27 pm
Sorry I wanted to say .JGC... they work only in GAME/GBA folder and with the default names (1001.JGC, 1002.JGC, 1003.JGC...). If i move or rename them, they don't work. About dingux i tried in two different computers both with win xp installed.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: omgmog on November 22, 2009, 09:36:35 pm
... Back to being on topic folks :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: NinJato on December 09, 2009, 07:40:17 pm
I have 4 "pawed" Dingoos.

One is white with a thin plastic face protector over the whole unit (with a "tab" to remove it, on the right-hand side).

Two of the black ones have thick protectors over the face (those ones I am not going to remove... they are excellent screen protectors that do not show scratches). The casing backs and buttons are both glass-smooth.

The last black one I got had the cheap, thin protector with tab and the casing back is rough/textured (as are the buttons). This last one also feels lighter and the buttons are harder to push (more resistance and feels like they will last longer than the others).

It appears that they are changing the Dingoo components on a regular basis. I like how the buttons feel on the newer lighter one, but I am keeping one of the thick protector ones for myself (will look newer longer with screen protection). Out of the four Dingoos, only the two I got at the same time are the same unit.

I have not seen an "unpawed" Dingoo yet.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Puumpkin_Masher on December 13, 2009, 05:04:25 pm
The black dingoo I just got had the thin tabbed plastic over the entire front.  I just stuck a DS Lite screen protector on it and it fit perfectly
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: wejp on January 02, 2010, 11:16:08 am
ruffnuts pointed out that:
Also the pawed Dingoo`s have 1700mah batteries and the unpawed versions have 1800mah batteries....
This is not true. I've got a pawed Dingoo with a 1800 mAh battery.
It seems they first used 1700 mAh batteries for the Dingoo, and then at some point they started using 1800 mAh batteries while still using those cases with the paws printed on them.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: woooozzaa on January 03, 2010, 10:23:18 am
Shouldn't this be updated now that its the pawed china units we should avoid? I'de guess the "old" homebrew enabled pawed dingoos are all gone now.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Icetea06 on January 04, 2010, 06:05:40 pm
I've got a pawed Dingoo with a 1800 mAh battery. Serial number is 4G A320BK9600788HK. I think HK stands for Hong-Kong. The freezing issues I encounter are the following :
Every homebrew app/emulator freezes as soon as I launch it. All native apps/emulators run perfectly well.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: JackBauersh on January 04, 2010, 07:36:57 pm
I've got the same dingoo as you, Icetea06, cannot run any homebrew apps and emulators because it freezes (only native ones). I think the solution is installing dingux to play the other emulators and apps, and use the native firmware only to play GBA games.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Puumpkin_Masher on January 04, 2010, 07:38:20 pm
I had that EXACT issue, I believe I got ahold of the same exact run that you currently have.

Never did figure out how to get homebrew running becuase I tried a reflashing tool that bricked it.  You can update firmware, just don't use a reflashing tool.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: JackBauersh on January 04, 2010, 08:11:49 pm
And what did you do, Pumpkin? how does dingux run on yours?

Greetz ;)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Icetea06 on January 04, 2010, 09:21:15 pm
Pumpkin Master, were you able to unbrick your dingoo or did you get the red "not allowed" screen ?
And can you explain me the difference between reflashing and updating ?
I think JackBauersh is right, dingux is the answer for homebrew apps, but is it possible to install it without bricking the dingoo ?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Puumpkin_Masher on January 05, 2010, 05:50:34 am
I could install Dingux just fine.  I have tried various reflashing programs to try to unbrick my Dingoo but have never had any work, yet I have always been able to reflash Dingux back on it and it works fine.

Any reflashing program I use always gives me the UNAUTHORIZED screen.  I still use my Dingoo every single day however, with Dingux.  I really miss some of the things I could do in the native firmware, but at least it's not a total loss.  I use the SNES emulator in Dingux often and it works really well.

Also the difference is when you reflash using a program on your PC. I used the method of updating the firmware where you copy the file to the root of the internal memory and then hold the down arrow when you restart and that always worked.  I changed the firmware a few times and they always worked, even did a custom one jsut fine, but always had the issue with homebrew games.  One day I was pointed to a thread that suggested an unbricking tool... and that's when I bricked it.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: JackBauersh on January 06, 2010, 09:44:56 am
I still cannot see the advantages of reflashing the dingoo native OS.. hope you can solve your problem mate :/

Anyway, have you tried SMS Plus or GNUboy on dingoo? and did dingux applications work? I think there's a dingux overclocking app over there and would be great if that works because the native app didn't.

Dammit, I need to buy a SD card ASAP, heh :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Puumpkin_Masher on January 06, 2010, 10:31:20 am
Everything for Dingux works with the HK models.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: code0 on January 06, 2010, 06:48:47 pm
Hi

I have a Dingoo A-320 4G LCD9331 Firmware 1.2 (black) and I have the same freezes with new apps and new native emulators, all factory installed apps and emulators works (I don't have installed Dingux).

These freezes my Dingoo system:
- MSGGOO
- LynGOO
- GNUBoy
- Gooplayer
- Stopwatch
- Yi-chi King Fighter

The problem it's about the memory management?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Puumpkin_Masher on January 06, 2010, 08:22:51 pm
hi code0

See here: http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-hardware-general/hi-everyone!-(and-hardware-pic)/

you most like have one of the HK models.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: code0 on January 06, 2010, 11:58:05 pm
hi code0

See here: http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-hardware-general/hi-everyone!-(and-hardware-pic)/

you most like have one of the HK models.

Yes I have a PAWED HK model (the serial ends with HK).

Are there someone working to get a solution to fix these freezes?

Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 07, 2010, 01:20:51 pm
If I am not mistaken somebody recompiled some of the applications for the native firmware so that they work w/ the newer models (due to so called memory allocation (= malloc) problems). There is a topic about this on this forum...

By the way, is it so that the "unauthorized" problem is solved by replacing the firmware image file in the root of the Dingoo and rebooting w/ B pressed? And have you then the possibility to use the custom themes for the native OS?

P.S. I'm glad that the "new Dingoo" users can use Dingux too now. Because that way I can still recommend the Dingoo to my friends! :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Shred on January 07, 2010, 01:53:40 pm
P.S. I'm glad that the "new Dingoo" users can use Dingux too now. Because that way I can still recommend the Dingoo to my friends! :)

As I understand it, its not quite as simple as "old" and "new" Dingoos anymore. (Pawed and Unpawed models)
I believe there are 4 different models of Dingoo now.

1) The original Export Pawed Dingoo. (no longer manufactured)
2) Unpawed Export Dingoo. (currently produced)
3) 2gb Chinese Pawed Dingoo (with 1000 mAh battery) - has problems running native homebrew.
4) 4gb Chinese Pawed Dingoo (Serial ends in HK) - has problems running native homebrew.

Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Puumpkin_Masher on January 07, 2010, 05:21:49 pm
By the way, is it so that the "unauthorized" problem is solved by replacing the firmware image file in the root of the Dingoo and rebooting w/ B pressed? And have you then the possibility to use the custom themes for the native OS?

When you have the unauthorized error there is no access to the root, so the firmware image cannot be replaced.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 07, 2010, 09:37:33 pm
Pumpkin_Masher and Shred: thank you for your clarifications. Unfortunately this does not make me very happy. It seems the golden Dingoo days are already, sort of, over.  :'(
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on January 08, 2010, 05:22:46 am
It's simple everyone buying direct from Hong Kong and China resellers has a 50/50 chance of getting an HK model. When Dingoo-Digital China sells units to a HK/China based retailer they can't control where or to whom those resellers sell the units to.

 It sucks but it's a fact you should do research and ask the reseller before you order what model it is what the serial number is when dealing with a reseller from HK/China.

You might also ask if the unit is pawed or unpawed as unpawed units do not have a serial number on the case that is visible.

So if they tell you unpawed and no serial number it's more then likely and current export model that people want and not an HK only model...

Your best bet but alittle more expensive is to buy from a reseller in your own country or a reputable reseller that has a record of supplying the proper units to it's customers.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: strider_mt2k on January 08, 2010, 03:07:16 pm
-It seems the golden Dingoo days are already, sort of, over.  :'(

Yes and no.

Yes in that you can't simply "buy a Dingoo" without going in forewarned and forearmed with information about models and sellers as many of us did originally. (We will stroke our collective beards and chuckle about the "good old days")

No in that there is more cool "stuff" available for Dingoo now than there ever was before!

It makes the game harder for new players, but the game (and the gaming) is still most definitely on! :D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: NinJato on January 08, 2010, 09:31:47 pm
Sigh...
Got a fifth Dingoo for a friend from ChinaVasion today. It's the @^$%#&% HK model.

Hooked it to USB and instantly got the "white screen of death"... Can not be turned off... Can not be reset (even if you hold "B").

Sent it back... Contact shipper before ordering.

 :(
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ahahah on January 09, 2010, 02:11:13 pm
the problem with dingux (and all os installed on a sd card) is: it will never have the possibility to access the tv and radio functions.

 :'(
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: QBert on January 09, 2010, 06:58:52 pm
the problem with dingux (and all os installed on a sd card) is: it will never have the possibility to access the tv and radio functions.

I don't see why Dingux couldn't support the TV-Out and radio hardware (or the internal mic for that matter). It's just that there aren't any dingux/linux drivers for any of that particular hardware at the moment. That doesn't mean it will never happen.

For example, a few weeks ago Dingux didn't have the capability to use the Dingoo's RTC (real-time clock) functions. Now, there's an updated zImage that allows that. As more is understood about the hardware, more features can be added to Dingux.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: darfgarf on January 09, 2010, 08:44:17 pm
the problem with dingux (and all os installed on a sd card) is: it will never have the possibility to access the tv and radio functions.

 :'(


what??? unless you know something that no-one else does that's total bull :P

just no-ones done it yet
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Shred on January 09, 2010, 08:58:06 pm
Can we get back on-topic please? This thread is for discussing different models of Dingoo...
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 10, 2010, 11:35:30 am
Hi guys, im new to this forum, ive subscribed BEFORE getting my new 1st Dingoo because i want to inform my self about pawed, unpawed, export and Only-China market versions.
As ive already said im very interestend in a new Dingoo, but whats be the best version to buy? What should i ask to the seller?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on January 10, 2010, 02:02:25 pm
Ask if the serial number ends with HK. If it does, BEWARE!!11!  ;D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ORiley on January 10, 2010, 03:46:49 pm
Where do you find the serial #. I read that it is near the USB port. Mine has nothing near the USB port. Is it on the inside of the case?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Shred on January 10, 2010, 04:01:12 pm
Where do you find the serial #. I read that it is near the USB port. Mine has nothing near the USB port. Is it on the inside of the case?

Serial number looks like this on the Chinese HK Dingoos.

Unpawed Export Dingoos don't have a serial printed there.

(http://www.fastmhz.com/Files/Dingoo/DingooSerial.jpg)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 10, 2010, 04:49:50 pm
Where do you find the serial #. I read that it is near the USB port. Mine has nothing near the USB port. Is it on the inside of the case?

Serial number looks like this on the Chinese HK Dingoos.

Unpawed Export Dingoos don't have a serial printed there.


So i should ask if the Dingoo is the Export unpawed version? Because i was gonna buy it on ebay since the prices are lower, it comes with the silicon skin and the official bag. You think that the sllker knows about these things? He is actually selling 5 Dingoos and tons of Lingerie =D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Shred on January 10, 2010, 05:15:45 pm
So i should ask if the Dingoo is the Export unpawed version? Because i was gonna buy it on ebay since the prices are lower, it comes with the silicon skin and the official bag. You think that the sllker knows about these things? He is actually selling 5 Dingoos and tons of Lingerie =D

You run the risk of getting a crappy Chinese Dingoo when you buy from Ebay. Chinese Dingoo's are cheaper, why do you think the Ebay prices are lower?
It's not worth it just to save a few bucks, and no the seller probably doesn't know about these things, it seems like a lot of resellers don't.

At the end of the day, you usually get what you pay for...
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 10, 2010, 05:26:40 pm


You run the risk of getting a crappy Chinese Dingoo when you buy from Ebay. Chinese Dingoo's are cheaper, why do you think the Ebay prices are lower?
It's not worth it just to save a few bucks, and no the seller probably doesn't know about these things, it seems like a lot of resellers don't.

At the end of the day, you usually get what you pay for...
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So maybe i should buy it directly from Deal Extreme? And, in this case, am i sure that they are gonna send me the right one? (i mean the export unpawed version)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: modis on January 10, 2010, 05:31:44 pm
So those older 4gb pawed dingoos are still worth their original sale price, and perhaps a little more?

Not that I intend on selling mine anytime soon, but that's good to know.

Also, sorry if this has been answered, but these chinese dingoos that everyone is avoiding are for the chinese market? Interesting.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: santino on January 10, 2010, 05:44:02 pm
Ive bought mine from ebay, too. And its a pawed one with big accu 1800mah. Just ask for the serial and dont buy a HK.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 10, 2010, 06:07:29 pm
Ive bought mine from ebay, too. And its a pawed one with big accu 1800mah. Just ask for the serial and dont buy a HK.
the serial should start with Lcd isnt it?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 10, 2010, 06:20:00 pm
So maybe i should buy it directly from Deal Extreme? And, in this case, am i sure that they are gonna send me the right one? (i mean the export unpawed version)
I most certainly hope that the DS ones are still the "good ones". Its very easy to order there and they have very low shipping costs (to The Netherlands).
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Lord Rocket on January 10, 2010, 11:58:09 pm
Hi guys,

Just received my Dingoo in the mail today. It's a black HK model, serial number 4G A320BK96007568HK.

I've tested a few native apps. Here's the results. - . I've only checked that they run, though.

Work as expected:
SMSGOO 3.3 (http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-releases/smsggoo-v3-3/) (tested rom: Alex Kidd in Miracle World NTSC)
XRickOO (http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-releases/xrickoo-v2-0/)
Hexavirus (http://www.dingoo-digital.com/forums/developers-corner/calling-all-native-os-developers-its-contest-time?page=5#comment-6423)

Not so good:
Commander Koon (http://www.dingoo-digital.com/forums/developers-corner/calling-all-native-os-developers-its-contest-time?page=4#comment-6413) - starts to load demo but reports an error after a short wait.
Manic Miner v11 (http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-releases/manic-miner-v11/) - freezes after quitting using the X button twice.
GNUBoy - refuses to load a second ROM but that seems to be an issue with unpawed export models too. So I guess you could say that this 'works as expected' really.
LynGOO 1.2 (http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-releases/lyngoo-v1-2/) - Freezes if correct BIOS image not found. Dumped me out of Blue Lightning (the ROM I tested it with) after a little while; not sure why. Perhaps I pressed the X button too often? EDIT: It didn't freeze after it dumped me though. Emulator issue perhaps?

Hopefully this post will be of use to somebody. I'll try and update it as I test new software.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ORiley on January 11, 2010, 01:48:43 am
I bought mine from thinkgeek. It does not have a serial #, so does this mean it's a cheap one? Had it a week or so now and no problems that I can see. Anything I need to look for?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Puumpkin_Masher on January 11, 2010, 02:59:31 am
I had no problems at all with my HK model until trying to run homebrew and apps in the native firmware.  Also is there, or will there be, an unbricker tool for HK models?  I know unbricker tools dont work on HK models... but if they are selling them, shouldnt they make one for them?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: umpalumpa1985 on January 11, 2010, 05:08:42 am
@Oriley:  I also bought mine from thinkgeek, and every single app (homebrew or for dingux) has worked as expected.  Had it since christmas.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 11, 2010, 12:34:42 pm
Haha read what the Ebay Seller told me

"SN:xxxxHK ,but we can't ship italy.thanks"

Always remember to ask 1st if ur gonna buy a Dingoo on Ebay
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: santino on January 11, 2010, 05:07:23 pm
Ive bought mine from ebay, too. And its a pawed one with big accu 1800mah. Just ask for the serial and dont buy a HK.
the serial should start with Lcd isnt it?

My serial starts with 4G A320BK... Good ebayer I think. :D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 11, 2010, 07:47:01 pm
Ive bought mine from ebay, too. And its a pawed one with big accu 1800mah. Just ask for the serial and dont buy a HK.
the serial should start with Lcd isnt it?

My serial starts with 4G A320BK... Good ebayer I think. :D

he just wrote to me this

"sure we will send you the black color if you want. the code near usb port have serial number like: 4G A320BKxxxxxxx or 4G A320WHxxxxxxx
but not xxxxxxHK code

thank you"


do u think that its the good one? because im gonna buy it as soon as u quote back ^^

ur Dingoo is the 1st version? Export-only Pawed?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: santino on January 12, 2010, 11:16:30 am
Mine is a black pawed one. And everything works on it. So just buy the thing. ;)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on January 12, 2010, 11:38:08 am
Mine is a black pawed from may, and the serial starts with A320BK too. ;)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Nickeng on January 12, 2010, 12:32:25 pm
Mine is White, Pawed form June and DealExtreme..
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 12, 2010, 02:12:07 pm
Mine is a pawed version from DealExtreme that works w/ everything that is reported not to work w/ the HK ones. Serial: A320BK******* (no HK letters at the end of the serial No.). Hope this helps. :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on January 12, 2010, 02:37:21 pm
I can see a pattern!  ;D Probably a good idea to list the serials of different hardware revisions.
edit: Oh wait, A320BK is probably black, A320WH white.  :D Now i wonder if it?s the same with the unpawed ones.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 12, 2010, 03:24:02 pm
I can see a pattern!  ;D Probably a good idea to list the serials of different hardware revisions.
edit: Oh wait, A320BK is probably black, A320WH white.  :D Now i wonder if it´s the same with the unpawed ones.

... pratically there are eight different serials

4G A320BK96007568HK

4G---------internal memory (2G)
A320------console model
BK---------color (WH)
96007568-n° of the console produced
HK---------Stand of course for Hong Kong

The pawed (know as the 1st model produced) have the serial printed in the case, and the first two versions doesnt have any HK letters at the end of the serial like the two new produced (the cheap ones)
So, it looks like that the 1st Dingoos are the best ones, they dont show any problem at all, same the 2nd version too (the unpawed export version), but the new owners with the HK models are encoutering problems about freezing homebrew and native emulators, but i read some posts about emulators that perfectly works with the new ones.

If something is wrong let me know cos' i will edit the post
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Shred on January 12, 2010, 03:34:50 pm
Unpawed Dingoo's don't have any serial printed on the case.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: BaDToaD on January 16, 2010, 01:05:44 pm
Just like to add my Pawed HK serial Dingoo will not run anything other than the standard inbuilt games and emulators.

Scene created native stuff does not work.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: JulesRussel on January 16, 2010, 04:58:36 pm
Hi, I'm new I bought a dingoo at DealExtreme on the 9th of December and it was shipped last week (on the 9th of January) by EMS and today it arrived to me.

Well I just want to say that it's a pawed unit without serial number, it had no problem with gnuboy (right now only native app I tried) and no problems installing dingux, it has firmware 1.2 installed and the d-pad does diagonal movements right.

So for the people that it's doubting of buying a Dingoo from DealExtreme i just wanted to say that they are selling export versions, and maybe this is the reason they take so much time to get and sent new Dingoos.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 17, 2010, 01:59:39 pm
Hi, I'm new I bought a dingoo at DealExtreme on the 9th of December and it was shipped last week (on the 9th of January) by EMS and today it arrived to me.

Well I just want to say that it's a pawed unit without serial number, it had no problem with gnuboy (right now only native app I tried) and no problems installing dingux, it has firmware 1.2 installed and the d-pad does diagonal movements right.

So for the people that it's doubting of buying a Dingoo from DealExtreme i just wanted to say that they are selling export versions, and maybe this is the reason they take so much time to get and sent new Dingoos.

hmmm, this seems new to me, a pawed version without serial? I knew that only the unpawed version do not have the serial printed in the case. hah thats wierd, and yeah, it takes much time because they are out of stock, but better wait to get a good one, instead of a cheap one
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: NinJato on January 19, 2010, 07:44:25 pm
Unpawed Dingoo's don't have any serial printed on the case.

Not true... I just got my 6th Dingoo (this time from ThinkGeek), and it is unpawed WITH serial beside the USB port (not "HK").

Edit:
This Dingoo runs everything.
Only problem I found is that if you rename the JungleTac (JGC) ROMs or move them to another folder, they will not work.
It also took 3 tries to get the DualBoot Installer to take, but works fine.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: dingoo-co-uk on January 19, 2010, 09:47:35 pm
I have had quite a few enquires recently regarding the type of Dingoos we sell at www.dingoo.co.uk.
To confirm, both black and white Dingoos are unpawned and do not contain the "HK" characters within the serial number printed on the Dingoo.

Thanks Andy
www.dingoo.co.uk
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: desmodus on January 20, 2010, 02:04:02 am
Hi everyone, I'm new around here, although I've been watching closely everything about the Dingoo.
But anyway, I've just received my Dingoo from Dealextreme and it's a Pawed unit with the serial number as: 4G A320BKxxxxxxx (No HK at the end)
In the back, there's something like this:
(PAW)
(Chinese letters)
DINGOO DIGITAL

A-320
MADE IN CHINA
The unit is perfect, i dont see any defects in it. it came withthe 1.2 firmware preloaded and set in English.
I haven't tried GNUBoyor anything hombrew by now, but i will post when i have some time
Well, that would be everything.

BTW I ordered it december 24th and it arrived today
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: EvilDragon on January 21, 2010, 02:42:32 am
Hi,

I copied the old 3D Games and emulators from my old pawed Dingoo onto the new HK one.
Unfortunately, all those games freezes and the emulators don't work...

The stupid thing is that I didn't backup the new HK versions of those stuff.

So please... could someone who got a new HK one a backup of the 3D games and emulators and update them (as archive) somewhere?
Maybe also the A320.hxf, in case the firmware also did change... many thanks!

Please send me a PM or an eMail :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 21, 2010, 04:47:56 pm
I'm getting sort of confused here.... (am I the only one?) So far I know that thare are quite a few models on the market.



Could y'all help me out on the question marks? And do I have the models listed in the right chronological order?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 21, 2010, 08:11:32 pm
i think that both model III and IV have the paw on the back and end with HK in the serial, actually the problem is just about the programms made for the native Os, since its a different one from the first 2 models, but there is no problem if u install Dingux
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 23, 2010, 04:15:12 pm
i think that both model III and IV have the paw on the back and end with HK in the serial, actually the problem is just about the programms made for the native Os, since its a different one from the first 2 models, but there is no problem if u install Dingux
Thanks for the clarification. But isn't the problem w/ certain newer models that Dingux is a bit hard to install because of the risk of a so called "Unauthorized" screen?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: JulesRussel on January 23, 2010, 04:32:12 pm
Nope, the unauthorized screen only appears if you try to install a custom firmware with the flashing tool (you can install it with the upgrade function of the dingoo)
If you try to install dualboot you will have no problems.
PD:Another thing to take in count is you can't unbrick a HK dingoo since you will need the flashing tool
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 24, 2010, 12:20:05 am
Nope, the unauthorized screen only appears if you try to install a custom firmware with the flashing tool (you can install it with the upgrade function of the dingoo)
If you try to install dualboot you will have no problems.
PD:Another thing to take in count is you can't unbrick a HK dingoo since you will need the flashing tool
i heard that theres an unbricking tool for the Hk models, somewhere in the forum
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: mrTentacle on January 24, 2010, 02:16:30 pm
Hi all, i just received my dingoo two days ago, well actually two of them, one for me and one for my sister.
Anyways back to topic

Serialnumber 4 GA320WH9601625HK

Backside have the paw and all the rest
front is completely covered with protection plastic

I just flashed them both with the v1.20-pof firmware everything works as intended
I dont have a memory card yet so no linux for a few days

Dont know if this helps.

Edit.
I guess that it makes it a Model III
could anyone tell if i will have problems with dingux?
Edit.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ColgateCat on January 24, 2010, 09:04:52 pm
Hi all, i just received my dingoo two days ago, well actually two of them, one for me and one for my sister.
Anyways back to topic

Serialnumber 4 GA320WH9601625HK

Backside have the paw and all the rest
front is completely covered with protection plastic

I just flashed them both with the v1.20-pof firmware everything works as intended
I dont have a memory card yet so no linux for a few days

Dont know if this helps.

Edit.
I guess that it makes it a Model III
could anyone tell if i will have problems with dingux?
Edit.

ur not going to have any problem, im a bit surprised that u didnt get any unauthorized screen when u flashed it
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: mrTentacle on January 24, 2010, 09:22:06 pm
Well I'm happy it didn't happened  :)

There would seem to be quite a few models out there, to clarify and because I'm curious i think i will open it tomorrow.
The things to look for is separate memory hips and battery size, yes?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Margot on January 25, 2010, 05:57:12 am
Well I'm happy it didn't happened  :)

There would seem to be quite a few models out there, to clarify and because I'm curious i think i will open it tomorrow.
The things to look for is separate memory hips and battery size, yes?
So did you use internal flasher (holding D-pad down while booting Dingoo) or did you use a program on your computer to flash?

I do not know if it have been investigated (probably have), but why if the UNAUTHORIZED problem always is the result of using the external flashing program prom the PC, while the internal Dingoo flashing is relatively "risk free" with all Dingoos?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: BaDToaD on January 25, 2010, 10:25:13 am
Just for info the v1.20-pof firmware did not fix the issues I was having on my Black Pawed HK Dingoo with regard to running non original native stuff. e.g Scene native apps games and emulators did not work at all!

I flashed via copying the update file to the root of the dingoo not via a flash utility. I flashed back to the standard 1.20 firmware when I realised the scene stuff was still not working.

I haven't tried Dingux yet but have heard it runs fine on HK Dingoos.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Solstice on January 25, 2010, 11:00:52 am
I have 4gb HK model sep 09 It has Paw etched on the back,and everything works fine,Havnt put custom FW on it(dont really want to)came with 1.2 preloaded,Dingux runs great 

Only thing is the homebrew gameboy/color emu when trying to load another rom will crash,like others have been saying

Also i get about 8 hours life out of battery ,or about 3 when OC just like ive been reading the older one do,so i dont think the battery is any diff??

Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on January 25, 2010, 11:30:09 am
Interesting battery life, didn?t think OC would make such a difference. Btw, what does snes9x say about the battery when fully charged? Mine (non-HK) is ~4073. And Neko Project 2 says 4.05 V.  :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Solstice on January 25, 2010, 12:05:32 pm
Just over 4000 on snes9x from my memory, i dont know the exact number but i look next time its fully charged and let you know
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on January 25, 2010, 12:23:03 pm
OK thanks, maybe they changed the battery to a full sized one again? Actually i don?t even know if the voltage of the battery says much about it?s capacity...  Does it? ;D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: santino on January 25, 2010, 12:56:25 pm
No the voltage doesnt matter. The big batteries got 1800mah the small ones 1700. And there was one crappy dingoo version with an lithiumion battery with about 1100.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 25, 2010, 02:57:29 pm
OK thanks, maybe they changed the battery to a full sized one again? Actually i don?t even know if the voltage of the battery says much about it?s capacity...  Does it? ;D
[very, veeeeery off topic and nerdy!] You're right. I'm not an electrician, but I do remember some electricity lessons from high school. If the max voltage of the battery is 4 Volt, that means that when the battery is fully charged when it delivers 4 V. As time progresses the voltage of a battery decreases. The capacity of a battery is measured in mAh (mili Ampere hours = amount of charge expressed in Coulomb). The power is:
P = V*I [Watt]  
I.e, Power = Voltage times Amperage at any given time, expressed in Watt. The work done [i.e. energy delivered in Joule] by the battery after an amount of time t is:
W = P*t [Joule]
So measuring the energy that a battery can deliver, I think, means measuring for a few seconds the current (in mA) and the voltage (in V). Multiplying those two produces the power P (in Watt) of the battery at that point in time. I think that may be number displayed in the "hidden" settings screen of the Dingoo. My Dingoo says "260000" when its fully charged. Now lets do some physics. Let's assume the unit of the "260000" is micro Watt (i.e. 10^-6 W = 260 mW = 0.26 W):
I = P/V = 0.26 W / 4 V = 65 mA (seems realistic)

So for snes9x. The number "4000" that it displays is the voltage I think. I read here (http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-hardware-general/more-specifications-on-dingoo-batteries/) that the Dingoo battery delivers 3.7 V and 1700 mAh. Given that:
I = Coulomb per second = C/t => t = C/I = 1700 mAh / 65 mA = 1700/65 hours = about one day.
But given the fact that the voltage decreases in time, there will come a point in time that the Dingoo won't work anymore even though the battery can deliver some charge. I believe that's after 8 hours of work.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on January 25, 2010, 03:24:56 pm
Oh wow, didn?t expect such a post! + Karma  :) Refreshed my long forgotten school knowledge...
Did someone notice that Dingux works longer than the Native OS? I.e. Native switches off with "Warning - Low Power", but i still can play in Dingux ~ a half hour. Then it gets weird and switches off.  ;D Could that harm the battery or something else (didn?t so far)?
I?ll keep the voltage in mind, when the Dingoo is empty again.  :)

Oh, and to stay ontopic, anyone fried his HK with the wall socket? I.e. that the Dingoo no more works? Could be very dangerous, don?t want to hear of a burning house because the Dingoo was from inferior quality.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 25, 2010, 04:30:48 pm
Serialnumber 4 GA320WH9601625HK
I just flashed them both with the v1.20-pof firmware everything works as intended
I guess you flashed your Dingoo without use of the 'Flashing Tool'. That is, I think you placed an hxf file on the root of our Dingoo and rebooted w/ the D-pad down pressed. That, indeed, may not have to result in a bricked 'unauthorized' Dingoo.

I dont have a memory card yet so no linux for a few days
BEWARE! BEWARE!! To install Linux for Dingoo (Dingux) you need to flash the nand chip on the Dingoo to get it to support dual booting of Dingux or the native OS. I think this may result in a bricked Dingoo that is unbrickable. Can anyone confirm this?!! Please check this (via this forum) before risking an unbrickable Dingoo.

Don't know if this helps.
You bet it does. Thank you. :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 25, 2010, 04:38:26 pm
1. I'm still a bit puzzled by the different models: is it true that there are models without a serial number?
2. Is it so that all HK models cannot be flashed w/ the flash tool AND that they absolutely cannot be unbricked?
3. Is there still custom made software (GB emulator?) that does not work w/ the later Dingoo's that have one mem. chip instead of two (both have 4 GB though)? This is the so-called 'malloc' problem.

Hope some of you can clarify this.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Solstice on January 25, 2010, 05:54:51 pm
Was just reading thru the "Unauthorized red screen after flashing" thread

It seems if you have an HK model you would be best not trying to flash custom firmware,as alot of people are bricking them,altho a few have been successful ,i wouldnt recommend the risk of completely breaking your native firmware just for some diff background pics/menu
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: mrTentacle on January 25, 2010, 06:04:39 pm
Meneer Jansen&Margot:
 Yes I used the built in firmware flasher

Meneer Jansen:
 Just downloaded the GBc emulator and it seems to run ok, dont have to many roms to try it with and i dont know what games are  supposed to work, feedback on that would be good.

 I also downloaded SameGoo and HexaVirus and those works just fine

So i guess Im lucky to get a hk/paw that plays homebrew

ps. bbl with photos of the inside. ds.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 25, 2010, 06:26:53 pm
Can somebody confirm that the HK models their firmware can be upgraded by placing a .hxf  file in the root of the Dingoo and booting w/ 'Down' on the D-pad pressed?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: mrTentacle on January 25, 2010, 07:23:16 pm
Can somebody confirm that the HK models their firmware can be upgraded by placing a .hxf  file in the root of the Dingoo and booting w/ 'Down' on the D-pad pressed?

Yes I updated to the modded firmware using this method
paw print, Serial: 4G A320WH96012626HK
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 25, 2010, 07:36:44 pm
Thanks Mr. Tentacle! :) I'd also like to know if somebody with a HK model succeeded in "flashing" it to dual boot Dingux.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Solstice on January 26, 2010, 04:24:13 am
Thanks Mr. Tentacle! :) I'd also like to know if somebody with a HK model succeeded in "flashing" it to dual boot Dingux.
Yep dingux flashed and runs fine on my HK ,but be wary of trying to flash custom firmware for the original dingoo OS!!!! people(like Mr T) are saying booting w/ 'Down' on the D-pad pressed will work, but other installers have been known to brick it , i wont try myself
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on January 26, 2010, 12:30:16 pm
Thank you Solstice. So some people w/ HK models can update firmware (w/ a hxf file) and some can install Dingux. Hmmm. I wonder if the only real problem w/ the HK models is the Flash Tool, i.e. the piece of software that updates Dingoo's firmware from your Windows computer.... Can somebody confirm this?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: mrTentacle on January 26, 2010, 12:47:19 pm
Just noticed something strange about my dingoo..
When the screen fills with say black, it fills from corner to corner not left/right up/down but from bottomleft to topright.
Its particularity noticeable in games where the screen flashes, usually white

It isn't annoying or anything I'm just thinking that this could be another indicator for the new HK models
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on January 26, 2010, 01:17:08 pm
It isn't annoying or anything I'm just thinking that this could be another indicator for the new HK models
Well, i got the same tearing, notice it only when watching flashing demos though.  Non-HK btw :D
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on January 28, 2010, 03:09:44 pm
New wrinkle in the ointment just informed directly by Dingoo-Digital China last night what ever vendor was requesting no PAW Print on the back of the Dingoo A320 has changed there mind and wants the PAW print on them now so all Dingoo-Digital A320's soon will have the PAW print back... I will let you know as soon as I know how to identify Export and China only A320's
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: TheCaffeinator on January 29, 2010, 01:11:57 am
I have a 4GB black no-paw Dingoo, serial number A320BK9603486. It's running OS 1.2, and, while the pre-installed emulators work beautifully, I can't get any of the third party native OS emulators to run.

Another thing I just noticed tonight is that the GBA emulator no longer plays the Jungletac ROMS (with the JGC extension); they just freeze at the "Loading" screen.

The question I have now is what changes cause these things to occur? Is it the firmware change? A change in the emulator (re the Jungletac games)? A hardware change? What?   
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on January 29, 2010, 04:05:01 pm
Questions:
1. Did you rename the JGC files?
2. Are The JGC files in the GBA Folder under the GAMES folder?\

If either one of these were done they won't work they have to remain there original file name and in the GBA folder.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on January 29, 2010, 04:17:10 pm
If you just copied the jgc files, try updating the jukebox.  :) same for new emulators.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Kalisiin on January 29, 2010, 06:20:34 pm
Questions:
1. Did you rename the JGC files?
2. Are The JGC files in the GBA Folder under the GAMES folder?\

If either one of these were done they won't work they have to remain there original file name and in the GBA folder.


Not true.
I renamed my .JGC files, because "Game 001.JGC" "Game 002.JGC" was driving me crazy.  I renamed them to their correct names, keeping the .JGC extension - no problem.  I even entirely deleted some of the seriously crappy ones, and kept only the better ones.

I even separated them out into their own folder, seperate from the other GBA games, and called the folder "Dingoo Native Games" because I had no clue in hell what .JGC was supposed to stand for.

Anyway, in spite of my taking them out of the GBA folder, and renaming them to be more sensible - they still work.

White, Pawed non-HK Dingoo, in my case.  Firmware 1.20-pof also.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on January 29, 2010, 08:59:21 pm
The only way I have been able to get the to load and not freeze after a reset or power down is they remain in the GBA folder and also keep the names they originally had. If they work for you that way wonderful....
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Kalisiin on January 29, 2010, 09:42:42 pm
The only way I have been able to get the to load and not freeze after a reset or power down is they remain in the GBA folder and also keep the names they originally had. If they work for you that way wonderful....

Well...it does work for me that way.
Cross my heart and hope to die.

and good thing, too, or I'd have deleted all of them.

I can't deal with "Game001.jgc" "Game002.jgc" and try to remember which each game was.  It would drive me crazy and I'd rather do without them...than to have to try to remember which was which.  I'm glad I was able to re-name them.

How can it not drive you crazy to see that in a menu...Game001, Game002, Game003, etc.??

Seriously, how can it not drive you nuts?  They should have named them right in the first place.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: TheCaffeinator on January 31, 2010, 12:03:54 am
The only way I have been able to get the to load and not freeze after a reset or power down is they remain in the GBA folder and also keep the names they originally had. If they work for you that way wonderful....

Makes no difference for me. They still don't work.

What firmware are you using? What ?'m tryng to determine now is simply WHY these issues occur, i.e., is it the firmware or the hardware.

Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Kalisiin on January 31, 2010, 05:18:54 am
The only way I have been able to get the to load and not freeze after a reset or power down is they remain in the GBA folder and also keep the names they originally had. If they work for you that way wonderful....

Makes no difference for me. They still don't work.

What firmware are you using? What ?'m tryng to determine now is simply WHY these issues occur, i.e., is it the firmware or the hardware.



would not know if it was firmware or hardware, but I use a custom firmware you can download...it is firmware 1.20-pof

download here
http://rapidshare.com/files/303162579/CFW-1.20-pof.zip.html
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: TheCaffeinator on January 31, 2010, 06:34:03 am
I still don't see how my Dingoo fits into the mult-model chronology... or why the third-party emulators or .JGC games won't work.

It doesn't have "HK" in the serial number... it's a "no-paw"... it's got firmware v1.2... seems other people have units with this same combination of characteristics, yet they have no trouble playing the .JGC games or third-party emulators.

My first Dingoo, which I got for Christmas, was a no-paw running firmware v1.1; the .JGC games and all of the third-party emulators I loaded on it ran fine. Unfortunately, I had to send it back because of hardware problems (broken shoulder buttons, poor case assembly, internal pressure on the LCD, etc.).

I wouldn't be so frustrated with my current Dingoo (which I received as the replacement a month after getting the first one) if it didn't function so noticeably differently than my frst one -- for reasons no one as yet has been able to adequately explain.

I someone could confirm that it's a firmware issue, I'd happily attempt to downgrade to v1.1 to get the "original" functionalty back. If it's a hardware issue, I'll accept the limitations and move on to Dingux.

Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: dingoo-co-uk on February 01, 2010, 09:25:19 pm
We have just received our next batch of Dingoos. The new Dingoos have the dingoo paw on the back of the unit with serial numbers 4G A320BK/WH****** and no mention of HK.
I have been able to install and play third party emulators, install dingux dual boot and play .JGC games with no issues.

Thanks Andy
www.dingoo.co.uk
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Kalisiin on February 02, 2010, 02:28:39 pm
Thanks, Andy.  If I was in the market, I'd buy from you, now...just because you advertised as you did.

I think, in the future, to move these items, people are gonna have to advertise just as you did...to get the savvy people to buy them at all...advertise that they are PAWED, NON-HK Dingoos, and that they are 4G.

That's the specs on all four I currently own, and, without those specs being met, no way would I ever buy another.  I'd sooner spend my money on a Wiz....than on a P.O.S. HK unit on non-paw unit.  I simply would not trust them.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on February 02, 2010, 02:57:34 pm
Can confirm Andy is speaking the truth new models have the paw back and work with all community emu's and apps and dingoo made games everything works fine well GNUBoy still has the freeze issue but everything else works fine... I think after me and Andy and other foreign resellers griped enough Dingoo Digital China has got the picture and making the Dingoo the way the original pawed ones were made.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Kalisiin on February 02, 2010, 08:05:57 pm
Can confirm Andy is speaking the truth new models have the paw back and work with all community emu's and apps and dingoo made games everything works fine well GNUBoy still has the freeze issue but everything else works fine... I think after me and Andy and other foreign resellers griped enough Dingoo Digital China has got the picture and making the Dingoo the way the original pawed ones were made.

Well, I certainly hope so...and, on behalf of users everywhere I thank you and other resellers for advocating on our behalf to get the GOOD stuff.
Because when and/or if I am ready to buy another Dingoo (and I just might, even as a gift for someone) I would insist on 4G non-HK, Paw Print only or no deal.
I would make anyone wanting to sell me a Dingoo guarantee those specs, or a full refund of my money.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: V1RUSW0rm on February 03, 2010, 06:17:41 pm
I've read whole thread but didn't find answer. I want to use native OS for audio/video playing and for NES/SNES/GBA emulation. And Dingux for everything else (Sega, DooM-based games etc.). Will there any problems with pawed HK model or unpawed? I mean dualboot and dingux installation/working. I will buy it on ebay (the seller is "toy_bar") if it's matter. I asked for Serial Number, but if it's HK I don't know what to do.
Sorry for bad English, it's not my main language..
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on February 03, 2010, 07:11:40 pm
Everything is better on Dingux except GBA
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: V1RUSW0rm on February 03, 2010, 07:21:38 pm
Everything is better on Dingux except GBA

I don't know that Dingux has audio-player. Also I heard dingux decrease battery life.. Is it possible to install dingux on every Dingoo model, including HK? I read that there are some problems with native emulators and "homebrew" apps. What is "homebrew"? It's dingux, isn't it?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: darfgarf on February 03, 2010, 07:25:43 pm
I don't know that Dingux has audio-player. Also I heard dingux decrease battery life.. Is it possible to install dingux on every Dingoo model, including HK? I read that there are some problems with native emulators and "homebrew" apps. What is "homebrew"? It's dingux, isn't it?

dingux has gmu player, it's very good
morelike an increase in battery life, as you can downclock the cpu if you only need to play some music etc
it's possible to use dingux on an hk dingoo
homebrew=anything done by us devs, native or for dingux pretty much
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: V1RUSW0rm on February 03, 2010, 07:35:13 pm
dingux has gmu player, it's very good
morelike an increase in battery life, as you can downclock the cpu if you only need to play some music etc

Thanks for answer!

it's possible to use dingux on an hk dingoo
homebrew=anything done by us devs, native or for dingux pretty much

So it's possible that there will be problems with unpawed/HK dingoo and dingux? I will not install applications and games to native OS. I'm more interesting in perfect working dingux...
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: eule on February 04, 2010, 01:37:51 pm
Dingux works fine on HK models, "just" some homebrew emulators for the native firmware don?t work with them.  :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ZeroCorpse on February 09, 2010, 09:47:15 pm
I just ordered a Dingoo from ebay. The seller uses a few different names, but it appears to boil down to the same source: TGBUS.COM

TGBUS.COM seems to use the following ebay names / storefronts:

toy_bar
newartseller
cn_2009

I haven't received my Dingoo yet, but I'll try to get back here when it arrives to let others know which model this seller offers. If anyone else has used them, you might want to post your experience and which model arrived. The pictures in the ebay storefront show a paw on the back, but no serial number (Photoshopped out for ebay pics?) -- The seller also includes "3GB games" or "more than 1000 games", and most of their ebay listings also offer a silicon sleeve and the official Dingoo bag.

All pictures, regardless of which store/seller name they're using, have the TGBUS.COM watermark, and they all hail from Beijing, China.  Since I don't read Chinese at all, I can't really make sense of their main webpage, so I don't know if TGBUS is a reputable dealer or not.

Any info fellow ebay buyers could post would be helpful for others.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: V1RUSW0rm on February 09, 2010, 09:51:28 pm
I asked toy_bar about serial number. He said it is 4G A320WHxxxxxxxx without HK and with paw at back.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ZeroCorpse on February 09, 2010, 10:01:36 pm
Interesting about toy_bar.  Thanks for asking them!

Of course, I totally could have asked them myself.  ;)  I guess I just didn't want to pester them after the sale.

Anyway, I'll let everyone know how it works out when it arrives in about a week.

Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Chris23235 on February 09, 2010, 10:50:38 pm
I ordered my 2nd Dingoo from toybar last week, will pick it up tomorrow from the post office. My first one was last August and it was the original pawed version, but then there wasn't another available. The Dingoo came fully charged and with 3 GB Roms preloaded. Shipping was last time and this time again 7 days to germany. I will post tomorrow, which version he has right now.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ZeroCorpse on February 10, 2010, 06:20:42 am
Yeah. I would have ordered from Deal Extreme, but they were completely out of stock, and not doing much about it since it's a Chinese holiday, apparently. I got my Wiz from Thinkgeek, but I decided that what they were asking for the Dingoo, plus shipping, made it too expensive considering the choices out there.

I totally forgot about SuperUFO, and just grabbed the one on ebay because it seemed cool. We'll see, I guess.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Valek on February 10, 2010, 07:05:21 am
Just f.y.i. have bought my Dingoo on 10 Dec (well received beg of Jan, slow shipping presumably due to holidays) from store.cn - white pawed non-HK with 3 Gb roms (90 percent in chinese ;D), have istalled dingoonity custom firmware and dingux flawlessly.

So at least 2 months ago they had nice Dingoos, don't know what's the situation now...
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: V1RUSW0rm on February 10, 2010, 12:12:43 pm
I asked toy_bar about serial number. He said it is 4G A320WHxxxxxxxx without HK and with paw at back.

I also asked cn_2009. He said the same (paw and no-HK), but I already paid to toy_bar for it. I hope it will be shipped for me soon  ::)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: blastyrant on February 14, 2010, 01:10:49 am
i'm looking for a second dingoo for a gift. the last one i ordered from DX was pawed with no "HK" in the serial but all emus froze for a split second while playing games. it was never consistant, and always random. i returned it over 2 months ago and have yet to receive a refund. just fyi, DX's customer service is very hard to deal with and it can take 2-3 months to get a replacement and/or a refund.

back on topic...

i want to buy a second dingoo but this thread has me really confused. some people say one thing, others add-on, then someone says something else.

what do i want to look for?

1) Pawed 4G with no "HK" in the serial?
2) Unpawed 4G with no "HK" in the serial (these were the exported versions?)?

how do you know if its a HongKong version when people are saying the 2G has no serial and doesn't say "HK". Others say the the ones you want don't have a serial. Then others say the pawed, no serial, exports are what yo u want. :P i'm really confused.

can someone who knows 1st hand just tell me exactly what to look for so I can start e-mailing reseellers? Also does anyone know of a good shop that will shop to the U.S.? Does Dingoo.co.uk ship worldwide?

Cheers and thanks for reading!
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: jeremymtc on February 16, 2010, 06:03:54 am
Blast,

There does appear to be much contradictory information out there (and within this thread) as you have noted.

It seems that the claims by some, stating that "all HK-serial Dingoos are lesser units" is an unfounded observation. Differing shipped firmware revisions are probably at the root of such rumors. A 4GB Dingoo is a 4GB Dingoo from a basic user functionality point of view. There DO seem to be some functional differences with regard to flashing/unbricking procedures on the newer units (shipped with 2x2GB memory chips and newer firmwares versus the older 1x4GB version), but the whole "issue" here seems to be blown out of proportion. The key would seemingly be to identify which version of the hardware and firmware you have, and to use the suitable tools for these procedures as necessary.  

Another unfounded observation seems to be that "All Ebay-sourced Dingoos are inferior". While there are documented reports of some 2GB Dingoos with a smaller battery capacity being sold on Ebay, this does not generally appear to be the rule. As always, the buyer should do due diligence in making sure that they are purchasing what they think they are purchasing. I personally have not seen any of these Chinese Domestic Market Dingoos for sale anywhere.

The whole "Pawed" versus "Unpawed" thing is not a reliable indicator of anything, though it might have meant something a year ago. See Justin's (dingoo-digital-usa) posts on this board for proof of this. The pawprints apparently had to do with branding and distributing of these units more than hardware or function. The presence or lack of pawprints is not a valid identifier. Battery type and memory type IS a valid identifier:

First Gen 4GB Dingoo, Export (Western) Version: 1x4GB memory chip, 3.7v 1700mah Battery  / 3.7v 1800mah Battery (Thanks Santino!)

Later 4GB Dingoo, HK & Non-HK Serials: 2x2GB memory chips, 3.7v 1700mah / 3.7v 1800mah Battery

Chinese Domestic 2GB Dingoo, HK Serial (or no serial): 1x2GB or 2x1GB memory chips (?) / 3.7v 1000mah Battery


If anybody knows of or has any revisions to make regarding the basic types above (ie; serial numbering or firmware revisions shipped with them), please speak up!

Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: santino on February 16, 2010, 10:43:50 am
There were 4g first gen pawed nonhk models with 1800mah batteries, too. ;)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: blastyrant on February 16, 2010, 10:53:51 pm
Battery type and memory type IS a valid identifier:

First Gen 4GB Dingoo, Export (Western) Version: 1x4GB memory chip, 3.7v 1700mah Battery 
Later 4GB Dingoo, HK & Non-HK Serials: 2x2GB memory chips, 3.7v 1700mah / 3.7v 1800mah Battery
Chinese Domestic 2GB Dingoo, HK Serial (or no serial): 1x2GB or 2x1GB memory chips (?) / 3.7v 1000mah Battery

jeremymtc,
  thank you very much for the reply. i have received a reply from thinkgeek.com. their customer service rep told me that the dingoo they are currently selling is unpawed and has no serial number. am i to assume that this probably a HK build without a serial? based on what you said, and what i have researched, only the HK build appears to ship without a serial. the HK build can not use the unbricker, if you get into trouble, and might have issues with 3rd party native o/s emulation... correct?

cheers
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: jeremymtc on February 17, 2010, 02:41:07 am
Hi Blast,

From all that I've read, it doesn't seem to be that significant one way or other regarding serial number; like the paw, it's just something tampo-printed or silkscreened on the case. I'd go by the specs of the unit alone.

Regarding unbricking, check out this thread in its entirety: http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-help/unauthorized-red-screen-after-flashing/ (http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-help/unauthorized-red-screen-after-flashing/)

Joyrider (Dingoo software developer extraordinaire) has created an unbricking tool applicable for the later firmware(s) which the originally released unbricker tool from Dingoo does not seem to address. The thread I linked above details his process and makes an interesting read.

I believe that there are still some issues reported with installation or running of some homebrew titles on the newer firmware (but a non-issue if booting Dingux). Again, I don't think that this points to any significant change in hardware, just difficulties with the shipped firmware which haven't yet been addresses by the manufacturer or the community.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: blastyrant on February 18, 2010, 06:55:08 am
Regarding unbricking, check out this thread in its entirety: http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-help/unauthorized-red-screen-after-flashing/ (http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-help/unauthorized-red-screen-after-flashing/)

thanks for the link, great read!
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: BaDToaD on February 19, 2010, 12:08:30 pm
but the whole "issue" here seems to be blown out of proportion.

Personally I'd call the fact HK dingoos cannot run ANY native applications or emulators other than those supplied a rather big problem!

Not everyone wants to install Dingux.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on February 19, 2010, 01:11:48 pm
Personally I'd call the fact HK dingoos cannot run ANY native applications or emulators other than those supplied a rather big problem.
Are you sure about that? I thought most of those applications were recompiled from source code to correct the memory allocation (malloc) problem...
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: BaDToaD on February 19, 2010, 04:37:45 pm
Are you sure about that? I thought most of those applications were recompiled from source code to correct the memory allocation (malloc) problem...

99% sure. I haven't got a single app or native emulator to run on my HK Dingoo yet. This isn't the same problem that the Pawed/Unpawed Dingoos had.

I'd love to be proven wrong or to find out there's a fix available but alas I believe that not to be the case.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: joyrider on February 19, 2010, 05:31:08 pm
yup it's something completely unrelated to the memory alloc problems. I have a HK Dingoo as well now and tried to get something running on it, it doesn't even want to run a simple hello world app which i compiled myselve, we looked at it one night but couldn't get anything running and i can't read assembler so someone else might have to dig into this if it's even worth it, since coding for native just sucks and future dingoo's should not have the problem anymore, according to some posts i read. Eventually it's a End User fault, you should check what you buy before actually buying it (at least if someone bought one recently). I know it wasn't very clear in the beginning and we didn't get any info about changes. It might be someone figures something out but i'm not wasting my time with that anymore :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: jeremymtc on February 20, 2010, 02:44:01 am
Are you sure about that? I thought most of those applications were recompiled from source code to correct the memory allocation (malloc) problem...

99% sure. I haven't got a single app or native emulator to run on my HK Dingoo yet. This isn't the same problem that the Pawed/Unpawed Dingoos had.

I'd love to be proven wrong or to find out there's a fix available but alas I believe that not to be the case.


That's good to know. At the very least, yours and Joyrider's posts make clear a couple of points that were previously quite hazy on a read through this thread. While problems like the above are indeed a bad thing, obfuscation of the issue is an even worse thing. Thanks for setting the record straight.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Meneer Jansen on February 20, 2010, 05:11:22 pm
I agree. I'm glad that I know for sure now that there is yet another type of Dingoo that has probs. w/ native apps. I take it that down- or upgrading the firmware does not help either? Or is impossible?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: joyrider on February 20, 2010, 08:29:09 pm
I agree. I'm glad that I know for sure now that there is yet another type of Dingoo that has probs. w/ native apps. I take it that down- or upgrading the firmware does not help either? Or is impossible?

it's not possible using regular unbricker tool, it is possible using hacked one, and perhaps even possible with the latest unbricker tool release from end of january.

Upgrading / downgrading firmwares did not help to get anything running, was the first thing i tried :)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ravage2002 on February 21, 2010, 01:29:34 am
I got one of the no.4 (Chinese white 4gb with serial ending by HK) but I don't have any problems whatsoever with native apps... What's are suppose to be the problems?
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: pasteur on February 24, 2010, 03:47:08 am
Mine is a new 4GB dingoo with paw print on its back but not on its cpu. And I'm having issues like being unable to run games such as 7days and frozen after 2nd run of gnuboy. Anyway dingux works flawlessly. (ofcourse i installed dingux in new method) 8)

The only seller here in Korea uploaded several pictures comparing an old-well-made dingoo and a newly manufactured dingoo on Korean dingoo community.  The new one had two 2GB nand flash memory on a green PCB in that fictures.

SN : 4G A320BK9619743

* These pictures below were taken by me not the seller.

(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1852/24022010001.th.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/24022010001.jpg/)
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8864/24022010004.th.jpg) (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/24022010004.jpg/)
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6606/24022010005.th.jpg) (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/24022010005.jpg/)
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ravage2002 on February 24, 2010, 05:46:09 am
Pasteur, have you tried the new 1.22 app. for dingoo on the official site (named "Ding Guo A320 English version of 3D games and simulators" when translated) here the link: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dingoo888.cn%2Fservice.asp%3Fclassid%3D4 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dingoo888.cn%2Fservice.asp%3Fclassid%3D4) If those are the ones you tried try the older ones instead.
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: pasteur on February 24, 2010, 08:47:13 am
Pasteur, have you tried the new 1.22 app. for dingoo on the official site (named "Ding Guo A320 English version of 3D games and simulators" when translated) here the link: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dingoo888.cn%2Fservice.asp%3Fclassid%3D4 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dingoo888.cn%2Fservice.asp%3Fclassid%3D4) If those are the ones you tried try the older ones instead.

Those ones are not the ones I tried.

Here are the results.

Ding Guo A320 English version of 3D games and simulators

7days.app - freezing
brick.app - freezing
candy.app - freezing
hsingtin.app - freezing
linkemup.app - freezing
lubilubi.app - freezing
snake.app - won't load, freezing for 0.5 sec
tetris.app - freezing
ultimate drift.app - freezing

mvs - working but weird graphics (perhaps due to my misconfiguration)
smd - working well
nes - working well
gba - freezing
cps2 - working but weird graphics
cps1 - working but weird graphics
sfc - working well
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: wiredredneck on February 24, 2010, 09:27:14 am
Pasteur, have you tried the new 1.22 app. for dingoo on the official site (named "Ding Guo A320 English version of 3D games and simulators" when translated) here the link: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dingoo888.cn%2Fservice.asp%3Fclassid%3D4 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dingoo888.cn%2Fservice.asp%3Fclassid%3D4) If those are the ones you tried try the older ones instead.

yeah i had the same problem with my dingo when i tryed to run the updated emulators and 3d games from that link mvs had weird graphics apps were freezing and all that. i had to downgrade to the emulators i had at first. If you dont have older sims backed up to drop on there get them from dingo-digital. http://dingoo-digital.com/downloads/emulators/default-emulators (http://dingoo-digital.com/downloads/emulators/default-emulators) and heres a link for the 3d games. http://dingoo-digital.com/downloads/games/dingoo-3d-games (http://dingoo-digital.com/downloads/games/dingoo-3d-games) that should help. forgot to add i got mine from thinkgeek.com its their version of an hk so its nonpawed but the serial is about the same as the one in your pics 4g a320bk9600729
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ravage2002 on February 24, 2010, 06:08:15 pm
Just a question... when you say unpawed, does it mean it's doesn't have the pawn logo on the back or something?

Edit: just answered my own question (thanks Google image), but I got the impression that dingoo ending with the serial HK are all unpawed... but mine is a HK and IS pawed, anybody care to enlighten me on that?  ???
Title: Re: PAWED and UNPAWED Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on February 24, 2010, 06:52:49 pm
There is a point to when a topic of subject just becomes rehashed speculated and worse continually brought up over and over pretty much the same information just reworded or represented in another format. I would love to see this thread closed and if something similar happens we have something to look at etc. If something new exists then so be it start a new thread with that issue. This one is long and dragged out and just seems to restate the same information several times.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: SiENcE on April 23, 2010, 02:29:06 pm
Dingoo Technology is the original group from Shenzen Dingoo Digital CO, LTD; There was a split in the company and rather then deal with all the hype and confusion and problems.

That have now arisen with the fake disinformation floating around of whether the HK model existed didn't exist bs that official_dingoo and others spread they changed the website site domain and company name.

As the associate that left the company owned Dingoo888.cn and has started to spread all kinds of rumors all forums that the Dingoo HK was fake that the USb charger will make the battery explode on and on and on.

So to distance themselves from the on and on and on BS and badgering they changed the website and company name. I'm dealing with the same people and company I have dealt with from day one on this venture started back in March 2009. I deal with the same sells manager and the same team of people at Dingoo that I always have.

There is so much rumor and misinformation following from all directions as of late that to be honest I quit trying to keep up with it all. But yes to answer the question Dingoo Technology is the proper company and there was a parting of the waves with certain people from the company.

The proper site is Dingoo.HK not Dingoo888.com or Dingoo888.cn

Hopefully this straigtens up this mess as this will be my last post on the matter....

This Site is from the associate who left dingoo digital? Right? As we see here, he releases (miss)informations about fake HK Dingoos. Right?
http://dingoo888.cn/news.asp?id=25

Why did Dingoo.hk don't close the so called old/fake Dingoo888.cn website?

Why is he using the Dingoo Logo and why is Dingoo.hk using a new Logo? Does he also owns the Company Logo?

Has someone really this kind of hk dingoo and some pictures other than from dingoo888.cn?

Why they didn't release an official statement about the rumors?

Whats now fake? Dingoo with hk ....Dingoo with non hk? I have a Dingoo with non hk from a time before where all was ok.
I can't understand this. Sorry.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on April 23, 2010, 02:56:05 pm
Why did Dingoo.hk don't close the so called old/fake Dingoo888.cn website?

The associate who left the company owned the domain rights so when he left he took it.

Why is he using the Dingoo Logo and why is Dingoo.hk using a new Logo? Does he also owns the Company Logo?

He is using it because he wants to use it and Dingoo.HK came up with the new company name and logo to distance themselves from him and all the rumors he is spreading and problems he is causing.

Has someone really this kind of hk dingoo and some pictures other than from dingoo888.cn?

If you notice he shows the pawed case and logo etc on the fake model but doesn't show the case on the real dingoo it's all smoke and mirrors and just more misinformation and problems he is trying to start and spread. The more we allow these rumors to spread and all the misinformation the more there is to sift through.

Why they didn't release an official statement about the rumors?

There has only been two official statements made by Dingoo in the whole time I have been dealing with them as a reseller on time through Team Dingoo of Dingoo-Digital.com another Dingoo Forum and the statment they asked me to give letting you know not to trust any of the infromation from Official_Dingoo and Yefeng.

Whats now fake? Dingoo with hk ....Dingoo with non hk? I have a Dingoo with non hk from a time before where all was ok.
I can't understand this. Sorry.

There is nothing wrong per say with the dingoo other then some of them have different memory or a smaller battery and some would not work with community based apps or emu's with the patch me and mth found and implements and the new patch SDK these things are no longer issues.

Whether you have an HK or a non HK is not really and issue anymore unless the former associate of Dingoo that now operates Dingoo888.cn starts cranking out models then yes we could have issues again.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ddragoonss on April 23, 2010, 03:21:15 pm
So you want me to believe me than gemeitech(same IP server & if someone forgot dingoo = gemei with L/R), dingoo games(both has the same site server) and the site company who most people have in your dingoo "system setup>about" are fakes ones?

And a brand new hong-kong company, with a different name, selling dingoos with low-battery and other hardware problems are the reals ones?


Real hard to believe, where is the official statements from dingoo shenzen(they were the first dingoo's manufacters, so for me they are the official manufacters) or from gemei technology telling dingoo888.cn are a fake site?

AND MOST IMPORTANT, why a company hosted in Shenzen, Guangdong(you said "Dingoo Technology is the original group from Shenzen Dingoo Digital CO, LTD")will use a HK in your serial number and in your site???
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on April 23, 2010, 03:56:23 pm
I'm not going to argue you asked for facts I gave the facts as they are the models I sell I get from Dingoo Technology formally known as Shenzen Dingoo Digital just as alot of the resellers.

None of the models I sell have the small blue battery or other items that have been put of as misinformation by the associate who left the company. You can take the information and manipulate it anyway you would like. The fact is Offical_Dingoo has spinned a whole fairytale of mis-information which mind you not much has come to light to be true.

You as a person can have your opinion and believe anything you choose I was asked for facts I gave the facts as I have them from trusted sources and as a valued reseller to the community.

Here are whois on both sites you refered to:

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/gemeitech.com

http://www.whois.net/whois/dingoo888.cn


Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ddragoonss on April 23, 2010, 04:10:21 pm
I'm not going to argue you asked for facts I gave the facts as they are the models I sell I get from Dingoo Technology formally known as Shenzen Dingoo Digital just as alot of the resellers.

None of the models I sell have the small blue battery or other items that have been put of as misinformation by the associate who left the company. You can take the information and manipulate it anyway you would like. The fact is Offical_Dingoo has spinned a whole fairytale of mis-information which mind you not much has come to light to be true.

You as a person can have your opinion and believe anything you choose I was asked for facts I gave the facts as I have them from trusted sources and as a valued reseller to the community. My other question to you is how do you get the infromation of same ip etc for them and Gemei etc

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/gemeitech.com

http://www.whois.net/whois/dingoo888.cn

Because what I can see from whois which needs to be done from two different sources they have different hosts and different registrants for each domain.

"My other question to you is how do you get the infromation of same ip etc for them and Gemei etc"

http://serversiders.com/dingoo888.cn

Code: [Select]
Domains hosted on the same IP-address as dingoo888.cn (202.104.174.99)

Traffic rank 284607. gemeitech.com
Traffic rank 948289. dingoo888.cn


And a little detail, domain ≠ server, domain is just the url link to the server IP, server is who host all the site content.

So even if dingoo shenzen/gemeitech don't have the domain, they could just remove all the site content easily.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on April 23, 2010, 04:26:10 pm
So they use the same server to host there website and this proves what they are located in the same area?

Just because McDonalds and Wedy's are on the same block and same town and sell similar products does not make them linked or the same owner.

Gemei sells some of it's technology out all the time OEM or otherwise so once again just because they are on the same server does not make them associated or the same company.

This whole argument is pointless and baseless you can believe what you want and have your own opinion on the matter but ask most resellers who they get supplied from and they will tell you unanimously Dingoo Technology not Shenzen Dingoo Digital they will also tell you the proper website is Dingoo.HK the same information is given by another reseller source:

http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=222478

Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: ddragoonss on April 23, 2010, 05:01:20 pm
So they use the same server to host there website and this proves what they are located in the same area?

Just because McDonalds and Wedy's are on the same block and same town and sell similar products does not make them linked or the same owner.

Gemei sells some of it's technology out all the time OEM or otherwise so once again just because they are on the same server does not make them associated or the same company.


http://dingoo888.cn/about.asp?id=6
Code: [Select]
Address 1: Futian District, Shenzhen Tian An Cyber Times Tower A, Block 1912 Zip: 518041
Tel: 0755 - 83890235 24-hour Sales Hotline: 15817488332 (Zheng Jingli)
Fax: 0755 - 83890236

Address 2: Dongcheng District, Dongguan City, Niushan start a new industrial zone of tin side of the U.S. Digital Technology Co., Ltd. Song
Zip Code: 523128
Tel :0769-22691108

http://www.gemeitech.com/
Code: [Select]
Address: Dongcheng District, Dongguan City, the new tin side Niushan Industrial Zone, Dongguan City, Cape Venture U.S. Digital Technology Co., Ltd. Zip: 523128 Tel :0769-22691108



Same server, same hardware, same embedded-OS, same address, same phone number and you really think they aren't related?



PS: why "HK" serial-number for a shenzen hosted company? this don't make sense, Guangdong is near hong-Kong, but it's not Hong-Kong.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on April 23, 2010, 05:38:19 pm
Yes I agree Shenzen Dingoo Digital and Gemei are in Gungdong district in Shenzen city and they seem to be in the same technology centers.

Every company leases space in those centers for there offices and more then likely they use the same server for there websites.

None of this is unsual in the least in china or most other countries in the tech field there are technology centers all over china with sometimes twenty companies in the same buildings using the same web servers supplied by the landlord of the tech center. It's also no far fetched that they use the same embedded OS with differences because they were all approached by the same vendors of the OS.

The HK model just didn't fall out of the sky this week or last week the Dingoo with HK in the serial number has been around since Late September 2009 and in March 2010 a guy claiming to be the real Dingoo comes out of the wood work claiming that the HK is fake 7 months after the fact?

As explained the man is a former associate of Shenzen Dingoo Digital and worked with them to distance themselves from his rumors and lies and such they moved and changed domain name and company name to Dingoo Technology and the domain to Dingoo.HK. What is so far fetched to believe about any of the statements?

Also why would Gemei a huge manufacturer and innovator in PMP all of a sudden out of the blue ohhh lets make a new Company name Shenzen Dingoo Digital and sell one of PMP's through that name...

 It would be a waste of time and money as they already have a huge name in the industry. Below is more whois information on both companies. Lets just let the rest of the community make up there minds...

Information taken from: http://www.whois.net/whois/dingoo888.cn

Original:
WHOIS information for dingoo888.cn :
[Querying whois.cnnic.net.cn]
[whois.cnnic.net.cn]
Domain Name: dingoo888.cn
ROID: 20091013s10001s61778085-cn
Domain Status: ok
Registrant Organization: 李给武
Registrant Name: 张友军
Administrative Email: [email protected]
Sponsoring Registrar: 北京万网志成科技有限公司
Name Server:dns21.hichina.com
Name Server:dns22.hichina.com
Registration Date: 2009-10-13 21:30
Expiration Date: 2010-10-13 21:30

Translated:
WHOIS information for dingoo888.cn :
[Querying whois.cnnic.net.cn]
[whois.cnnic.net.cn]
Domain Name: dingoo888.cn
ROID: 20091013s10001s61778085-cn
Domain Status: ok
Registrant Organization: To Wu Li
Registrant Name: Jun Zhang
Administrative Email: [email protected]
Sponsoring Registrar: Beijing million net Zhicheng Technology Co., Ltd.
Name Server:dns21.hichina.com
Name Server:dns22.hichina.com
Registration Date: 2009-10-13 21:30
Expiration Date: 2010-10-13 21:30



This information was taken from:

http://whois.domaintools.com/gemeitech.com

Registrant: Digital Tech. Ltd Co., Gemei
DongGuang
DongGuang, Guangdong 523128
CN

Domain Name: GEMEITECH.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: [email protected]

Digital Tech. Ltd Co., Gemei 
DongGuang
DongGuang, Guangdong 523128
CN
0769-22691108 fax: 0769-22691108

Record expires on 07-Jul-2014.
Record created on 07-Jul-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.CNOLNIC.COM 218.5.79.33
NS2.CNOLNIC.COM 59.151.23.102


Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: bobby on April 24, 2010, 02:46:35 pm
OK here is what I believe happened. All speculations of course but to me it makes sense.

I believe dingoo.hk's are fake. I mean why would you set up a new company because of an ex-employee ? I think the dingoo.hk guys are ex-employees of Shenzhen Dingoo Digital Product Co., Ltd.(dingoo888.cn). They thought hey we can produce our own dingoo, all the know-how is here so lets just steal it and start our own company. Then they stole some blueprints and dingoo.hk was born. I mean come on it's china thats happens all the fucking time, that's why it is so hard to do business in china. Of course they are telling you dingoo-digital-usa that they are genuine because they want to sell you their product. I bet they also offer a better deal.

check out dingoo.hk's product page:

- They produce fake GBA SP's...... makes me wonder if the dingoos are fake too????
- At the specifications for the dingoo they only mention GBA and 3D


Like ddragoonss I also think that dingoo888.cn and gemei are somehow connected or maybe were. Before the dingoo came out I remember it was announced as gemei A320. The dingoo is the X760+ in a new shell with more buttons right ? Also gemei announced the A330 a while ago which doesn't look anything like the A330 dingoo.hk announced. (dingoo.hk's A330 looks like a psp knockoff)
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on April 24, 2010, 03:09:26 pm
Post removed by moderator.


Do not harass other members.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: 10basetom on April 24, 2010, 03:52:58 pm
LOL "Dingoo Identity" seems to be a never-ending classic homebrew game. It should be ported to the Dingoo ;).
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: darfgarf on April 24, 2010, 05:28:49 pm
LOL "Dingoo Identity" seems to be a never-ending classic homebrew game. It should be ported to the Dingoo ;).

like a detective game, go round finidng out the clues and following the suspects, stalking all the members of the forum with spy robots and finally discovering the shocking truth: dingoo-digital don't exist, and are actually team rocket  :o
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: Friendly Neighborhood Dingoonity Troll on April 24, 2010, 05:30:46 pm
Sorry about the "idiot" thing. It's just that talk rubs me the wrong way. And it's kind of insulting to D-D-USA, don't you think? Unless he's just joking around. In which case, sorry for being super serious. I'll be more constructive with my posts.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on April 24, 2010, 08:04:03 pm
1. Whats so hard to believe a company splits up all the time people go there merry way and usually thats the end of it all. But ask yourself one big question if they are fake and all the crap and misinformation that has been spread all of a sudden since March is true why the heck did it all of a sudden surface.

I mean come on it's been seven months since the HK appeared if it was fake and this guy really knew this all this why wait so long to bring it all up. If all this is true he should have came forward with all this way back in October when the first HK serial numbered A320 appeared.

2. There is alot more to the story but being at liberty to discuss it with the community is something I can't and won't do. I pay the same price I have always paid for the A320 the more I buy the lower the price becomes to a point but that is like an reseller buying from the supplier that is the case.

3. The HK is not a fake model as speculated at all I deal with all the people I have dealt with at Dingoo Tech that I dealt with when it was Shenzen Dingoo Digital. It's not just one or two people who decided to leave the company and start a new company it was almost 99.9% of Shenzen Dingoo Digital that became Dingoo Tech.

I'm not an idiot nor am I a fool like most of you have tried to label me. I have connections and friends all over and in China. Also why is Shoptemp and Dingoo.CO.UK and Deal Extreme and all the others buying there goods from Dingoo Tech?

If any of this had a ring of truth to it I as a business owner would be busting my butt to contact all my resellers to let them know hey your ordering from the wrong people and explain what happen and make sure I wasn't loosing my resellers.

I wouldn't wait 7 months later and make a small little post calling the items fake and saying hey I'm the real guy.... If he really was the owner and really had all the information he would have contacted all of his authorized resellers and explained himself that never happened and still has not happened.

4. If I'm not in contact with the real people please explain how I have come up with the latest firmwares and documents we have needed for the A320 and Dingux along with taking time to figure out a patch for the HK issue. I guess they and I just pulled it out of our asses or a friggin magical hat.

5. The whole GBA thing the A360 whats so far fetched about that device it has been out since October 2009 and Deal Extreme carries the darn thing I choose not too because it was limited to what it could do and not truly a PMP/Gaming console. So because they make a cheaper one kind of gaming console that equals they are fake come on?

6. Gemei is a huge company and innovator in the PMP field in China they do research and development and release some of their own products to the public as Gemei. Others they do OEM or sell the rights to another company out right.

It's just like NEC actually makes the Dell Monitors but doesn't label them NEC they label them as a Dell product. In other cases they sell completely out and the person buying the tech builds it themselves.

The building Gemei is in is about a half a city block from the office building Shenzen Dingoo Digital is in they are in the same Tech Ceneter with about maybe 150 other tech businesses all doing something different.

You are all thinking in either European or American or another countries mind set what might be black and white in our perspective countries is not Black and White in China. There are Tech centers all over China with about 50 to 150 businesses in each tech center.

7. Do I think the A320 is based in part or whole on a Gemei design and just tweaked and modified by Dingoo Digital and then Dingoo Tech yes I do. But I have no belief that Shenzen Dingoo and Digital and Gemei are one in the same hell no if that was turthfully the case they would have never let the split happen and would have come forward alot soonier then 7 months after the fact.

Once again I leave it all up to you with the facts as I know them I have dealt with this group of people for over a year now and I would think I would know more then the average person being a reseller.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on April 24, 2010, 08:10:18 pm
OK here is what I believe happened. All speculations of course but to me it makes sense.

I believe dingoo.hk's are fake. I mean why would you set up a new company because of an ex-employee ? I think the dingoo.hk guys are ex-employees of Shenzhen Dingoo Digital Product Co., Ltd.(dingoo888.cn). They thought hey we can produce our own dingoo, all the know-how is here so lets just steal it and start our own company. Then they stole some blueprints and dingoo.hk was born. I mean come on it's china thats happens all the fucking time, that's why it is so hard to do business in china. Of course they are telling you dingoo-digital-usa that they are genuine because they want to sell you their product. I bet they also offer a better deal.


Also if they stole the blue prints why do they also have the source code to the os and are they still able to change the firmware.

If they are fake why spend the time to come up with the fix for the Y & B buttons as that firmware came well after the split.

Why would you take time to come up with fixes and answer questions etc. Also like I said before how come nobody from Shenzen Dingoo Digital  in the last 7 months never went barn busting mad and said anything or tried to get their resellers back they would have lost a hell of a lot of money in the last 7 months. As for me money talks and bullshit walks....

None of the story Shenzen Dingoo Digital  told makes sense I think some of the HK serialed numbers that came out had flaws and imperfections becasue there are several people that have stated they have HK serialed models with no issues at all with native or community based apps/games/emus. That being said if they are fake why do some many work with no issue at all and why do non hk models work with no issue at all?
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: bobby on April 24, 2010, 09:55:11 pm
I already have my original dingoo from back then when it came out. At the end of the day it doesn't matter who produces your dingoo as long as it does everything you expect it to do. So yeah as a consumer I wouldn't mind getting an illegitimately produced one as long as it is same quality. In terms of quality, I heard the fake GBA actually runs some GBA games better than the original nintendo gba. Display is also supposed to be way better. So yeah "fake" dingoos are not really fake dingoos but unlicensed clones.

But those are just my ethical standards. All I wanted to point out is that there is something fishy about dingoo.hk.  Producing fake GBA SPs is illegal and definitely an intellectual property infringement. And yes you are right it does happen that a company splits up due to a merger/acquisition or a corporate spin-off.  That is not what happened here from what I see, people have decided to leave the company and start their own company. That is perfectly legal but you can't produce the exact same thing under the same name because that is in most cases a violation of intellectual property too. Unfortunately that is what happens all the time in the PRC. That's why I would never produce my new innovative patented product in china. Because it is just a matter of time until some employees at the production plant figure out how everything works and then they set up their own company and do the exact same thing. I won't be able to do anything about it because lets face it you cant really enforce your intellectual property rights in the PRC. Around 20% of all the consumer products on the Chinese market are fake. Not just foreign stuff is being faked it also domestic products it is basically everything that sells.

check this out:

http://www.dingoo-digital.com/forums/i-need-help/got-a-wierd-2gb-dingoo-and-i-bricked-it-unauthorized

Looks like this guy unfortunately got a fake one that doesn't perform too well. Let's look at what he says
"I got my new Dingoo A320, from focalprice.com (listed as "dingguo" XD)."

Whois of dingoo.hk reveals...

Organization name(English):   DING GUO DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.
Surprise surprise!!!

On their website they say they are Dingoo Digital Product Co., Ltd. though.
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on April 25, 2010, 02:35:22 am
Why is the A360 fishy and you speak of legalities about a machine that does emulation of  just the GBA? I mean the A320 does a hell of alot more then just emulate one system?

My point from jump street is if they are the true Dingoo  that being Shenzen Dingoo Digital why would you lay low for 7 months let another company take your glory and you customers from you and then appear and say ohhhh the HK serial numbered Dingoo A320 is fake.

If anything sounds fishy or weird I would say not saying anything for seven months to the resellers or customers is fishy. So with that said my explaination makes alot more sense and warrants alot more merit.

The spelling in chinese that translates dingoo = ding guo take a look at dingoo888.cn direct marketing page translated it says ding guo.

Once the page comes up click on the direct marketing link it will take you to the website they are selling there dingoo on dingoo888.cn that is

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.dingoo888.cn/news.asp%3Fid%3D22&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.dingoo888.cn%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjinRWcC30RtkSeocgkU888-kYNIA
Title: Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
Post by: kswildside on April 25, 2010, 03:41:36 am
My final thought on the matter:

Yes Mr. Zheng has possesion of the Shenzen Dingoo Digital Office in Gungdong Shenzen City China and yes he has control over the website dingoo888.cn

But we resellers all buy and have bought our stock from the same people and same group since day one when they were with Shenzen Dingoo Digital and now that they have started the new Company after the split Dingoo Tech.

All Mr. Zheng intended to do was spread panic and make everyone freak out about the HK which we know is not fake because if it was why didn't he make a fuss about it 7 months ago when they first appeared.

Why wait seven months to all of a sudden revamp your website you address and everything and all of a sudden start spreading rumors about a fake dingoo. When if that was the case you should have been doing it from day one to protect your company and the money you make from it.

Two as I stated above why would you let someone make gobs and gobs of money for 7 months and take all your resellers and customers away from you?

Welp final thought ended and I will leave the rest of you to have your thoughts and views on the matter as you may as I have stated my share of truthful facts and now leave it up to you to make a judgment on your on.