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Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Kentucky fried Dingoo
« on: March 02, 2010, 04:48:14 pm »
Ladies and gentlemen,

Armageddon is nigh. The ultimate catastrophe for a Dingoonian like me. This might just be the single most worst day in my entire life: I accidentally ~~::fried::~~ me beloved Dingoo (a classic, pawed, 4 GB no-problems model no less!). Aaaaaaaaaarrrggggghhhh!  ;D

I bought an electricity-wall-socket to USB plug (5V, 1000 mA) and connected my Dingoo to it for just a couple of minutes. The other adapter plug I have (5 V, 400 mA) always worked fine. The adapter that came in the box (5V, 700 mA) is only suited for the USA and Japan. The Dingoo heated up to a very high temperature (somebody else reported this too on this forum, but I can't find the post). I disconnected the Dingoo, but it was already to late. It stayed hot for a very long time (more than an hour), it must have short circuited. The battery went berzerk on me! No need to say I haven't been able to switch my Dingoo on, nor to recharge it 'til now. Bouhouhou!  :'(

So:
    1. Let this be a warning to y'all: 1000 mA is too much for our little classic gaming friend.
    2. Can somebody recommend a place to buy an other Dingoo? Shipping costs to Europe MUST be low (so NO Dingoo Digital USA!).

(I may start a separate topic on this) It is said that Deal Extreme starts selling Dingoo's again in March 2010. But are they the "good" ones? I want a Dingoo w/ a 1700 mAh battery, 4GB (or more!) and NO problems w/ running homebrew emulators on the native OS. Also: NO Dingoo that is unbrickable if accidentally bricked. This seems an awful lot to ask from a Dingoo these days, but I'm not gonna settle for less. Nobody should settle for less than that, I think....  ;)
« Last Edit: June 28, 2010, 01:43:32 pm by Meneer Jansen »
Finally got me a new Dingoo after I Kentucky ~~::fried::~~ the other one. Yippee! [edit] And lost it!

JulesRussel

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 05:01:22 pm »
I charge mine with a 1000 mA charger and I had no problems, so I think the problem is with the quality of the charger.

darfgarf

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 05:39:13 pm »
the current rating on any charger is the MAXIMUM it can supply, a device will only draw whatever it needs (i=v/r etc), so there's somethign badly wrong with that charger, are you sure it was meant for your countries voltage? as it's probably just a simple power supply circuit, which will output a certain fraction of the walls voltage, if you put 230v into a 115v charger it's a bit stupid etc

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 08:03:42 pm »
Hmmmm. So you say it's not the amperage of 1000 mA that is the problem? Wow. I dunno the brandname of the adapter anymore. But they're selling 'm by the dozens currently at my local MediaMarkt (MM) (electronics shop in Europe). So I'll check the brand next time I'm at the MediaMarkt.

If a faulty adapter really is the cause of me fried Dingoo then I think the MM is liable for breaking me good ol' Dingoo. Things that make you go: "Hmmmm.".

On the adapter itself it says: Input: AC100~240 V, 50/60 Hz. Output: DC 5 V, 1000 mA. So it should not have been a problem. And thank you for your kind replies, by the way.
Finally got me a new Dingoo after I Kentucky ~~::fried::~~ the other one. Yippee! [edit] And lost it!

darfgarf

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 08:31:09 pm »
well there's no way you can force something to take more current than it needs, except by varying voltage or resistance

so the 2 possibilities i can think of would be
a: your dingoo has less resistance than it should, or at least acts like it does (unlikely i'd say)
b: the charger is dodgy, if you have testing equipment (aka voltmeter, maybe an oscilloscope to see if it's rippling horribly)

if it's a dodgy charger you most likely have the right to complain, but they probably have some clause in the devices warrantee/etc saying they're not responsible if it breaks something

of course i could be totally wrong, i have had a very long day of very complicated maths/electronics

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 10:49:24 pm »
Thanks a lot for your explanation. To me it also seems that there was a short circuit because my Dingoo kept on producing heat for more than an hour after disconnecting it. To me it seems that the battery discharged very fast, producing a lot of heat. Maybe a resistance burned uot or something.

The charger may be dodgy. But I tried to charge an other USB device with it for a minute, and it seemed okay. However, you might be right about the fluctuations in voltage, but I cant measure that accurately. I tried to measure the Voltage w/ a cheap multimeter I've got laying around. As far as I can tell, the voltage does not fluctuate more than 0.3 V or even less. My multimeter will not measure an amperage above 250 mA (and indeed, the needle almost jumps out of the casing when I try to measure the amps).

Maybe (dunno how!) some moisture/water found its way into my Dingoo. It's the only other explanation I can think of.

Is it possible that a resistance in me Dindoo was worn out causing a short circuit? Or a broken capacitor? Can a device short circuit if a capacitor breaks...
Finally got me a new Dingoo after I Kentucky ~~::fried::~~ the other one. Yippee! [edit] And lost it!

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 10:52:32 pm »
<<mistake>>
Finally got me a new Dingoo after I Kentucky ~~::fried::~~ the other one. Yippee! [edit] And lost it!

darfgarf

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2010, 09:56:27 am »
My multimeter will not measure an amperage above 250 mA (and indeed, the needle almost jumps out of the casing when I try to measure the amps).

if you just went and connected the meter across the power supply that's not how to do it :P and will probably trash any moving coil meter/blow the supplies fuse(if it has one), as ammeters have very very low resistance

schanall

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2010, 10:18:17 am »
Oh nee, wat jammer Meneer Jansen  :-[

Hope you will get a "good" one. (4GB, pawed)

eule

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2010, 02:43:23 pm »
Sad to hear that... I think i found the post you mentioned:
http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingoo-hardware-general/recharginh-issue!-nearly-melt-the-darn-thing/
Hope you get a replacement somehow by someone.  :)

santino

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2010, 11:45:00 pm »
I charge mine with a 1000 mA charger and I had no problems, so I think the problem is with the quality of the charger.

Me too. And the lipo accu should be charged with 1c what is about 1800mA so its not the 1000mA. ;)

cambosam

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2010, 12:35:36 pm »
Hi everyone, this is my first post but I've been reading these boards since I received my dingoo in late November.

My dingoo also heated up when I first got it(literally within days). Mine is a hk model that I ordered from dingoo digital USA this was around the time before anyone had any idea what an hk model was. I had a lot of things working on it including dingux so didn't want to return it and wait a few week for another one.

Mine specifically overheated at these 2 identical square chips on the front of the board one near the start button and another near the select button.  They overheated one after the other a few weeks apart I don't remember the exact days and when the overheated it it melted some of the plastic from the front of the casing so that it is deformed with 2 small circles near the start and select buttons.  Anyway I figured out these chips were directly related to the speakers when the first time it melted on the right side the sound was just static and the other was fine and after the second they both became static and are no longer of any use. As soon as I figured this out I opened up my dingoo and snipped the wires connecting the speakers to the board so there wouldn't be any current running throug them. The speakers themselves work fine I took them out and tested them using old broken headphones.

Now they no longer overheat and I can only listend through headphones and/or TV out.

I've since overuse and abuse my dingoo and have nearly every hardware problem imaginable; broken shoulder buttons, peeling button letters, etc  but I still use my dingoo every single day. I'm currently waiting on another dingoo, one that isn't an hk model from dingoo digital USA.

Sorry for the long post. There always tons of follow up questions so wanted to get as much out of the way as I can. I hope this helps in some way.

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2010, 06:58:45 pm »
@cambosam: Thank you for your reply (it wasn't too long :)). Did your Dingoo do anything after the overheating incident and before snipping the speaker wires? Mine is completely dead. Might consider snipping the speaker wires too, but then I'll have to dig around in my closet. I sort of buried me beloved Dingoo beneath all other broken gadgets and computer parts from 1995...

@schanall: Thank you for your kind sympathy in my own language. I really needed that in my time of mourning.  :'( Anyway, since you live in Holland too: where did you order yours? I ordered mine at DealExtreme, in the time that all Dingoo's had a paw print on the back and had no problems w/ native apps etc. 'T costed only about 60 Euro's incl shipping!
Finally got me a new Dingoo after I Kentucky ~~::fried::~~ the other one. Yippee! [edit] And lost it!

cambosam

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 07:52:18 pm »
when my dingoo overheated for the first time it was plugged into the charger and playing music on full volume. i unplugged my dingoo but continued to play music on full volume and it was still overheating. the battery got so low because of the overheating that i tried to charge it in again with everyting off but it was still overheating. unplugged my dingoo, turned it off completely, and left by the window to cool off. about an hour later i after it cooled down i tried to charge it again, this time the battery was completely drained and wouldn't charge and wouldn't turn on at all. i disconnected and left it to cool down overnight. the next day i charged it through the computer's usb charger and it charged fine without overheating. it never fully charged through the computer at least the charge indicator never completely filled up this way. eventually i went back to charging it through the wall charger and it charged fine but still not fully charging but not overheating. at some point it was able to fully charge again but i have no idea why. it overheated 2 more times after this that is when i figured to cut the speaker wires and turn the speakers off.

now my dingoo sometimes decides it won't fully charge and sometime it does i have no idea why and i charge the same way all the time, through the wall charger while i sleep.

i hope this helps you get your dingoo back up and running.

schanall

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 09:00:56 pm »
@Meneer Jansen: I ordered mine from deal-extreme at the same time as you :(
Keep us uptodate if you buy a new one. I keep my fingers crossed for you.

I'm a neighbor of yours, but I'm not from Holland.   ;)

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2010, 02:31:45 am »
It is said that Deal Extreme starts selling Dingoo's again in March 2010.

i have been fighting with deal extreme for over 2 months to get my money back for a dingoo i've already shipped back to them. i've heard nothing about them getting it back in stock. in fact i was told they would no longer be selling the dingoo.

i ordered two from them. one was black and one was white. both had issues. it took 2 months to get a new black dingoo sent out and i'm still waiting (after 3 months) to get a refund on the white dingoo. my best advice is to avoid deal extreme at all cost. their customer service is very low and if you have a problem with the dingoo you will regret purchasing from them.

as for charging i use the charger that came with my creative nomad zen micro. you can pick up the real charger on ebay for next to nothing. this mp3 player is no longer made so make sure you are getting the real thing and not a 3rd party knock off.

facts about the real plug:
its white in color
it says "Creative" on the front
model number: scp0501000p
input: 100-240VAC~50-60Hz.0.3A
output: 1000mA
part number: ad20000002870

good luck!

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2010, 01:16:46 pm »
Its definitely the charger! I bought a cheap MP3 player to replace my beloved Dingoo. That thing worked just fine on the USB port of my computer. But when I plugged it in aforementioned charger it heated up like radio active ore. Now that MP3 player heats up when I plug it into the usb port of my PC too. I dare not to try to  fully charge it. When I unplug that MP3 player it's charge decreases very fast. Like it has a short circuit.

My PC's power unit "blew up" yesterday when I had the Dingoo attached to it to see if I could copy the MP3's from Dingoo to new MP3 player. I don't know if that's because of the short circuited Dingoo. Screwed in a new power unit and tried to connect USB2 deviced, bur every time I connect an USB2 device that can also charge from USB my PC instantly goes off. Boom! If that's because of the fact I connected faulty USB devices to my PC I don't know. Probably has to do w/ the power "blow up". Think I'll try to find a good electro technical forum to ask this... Driving me completely crazy. I no have:

    1. A charger from Hell
    2. A broken Dingoo
    3. A broken MP3 player (I'll probably get my money back for that one)
    4. A PC that does not work properly work w/ USB2: so gadgets will not work for me now!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!  >:(  >:(

I''l return the MP3 player to the store where I bought both the charger and the MP3 player.
Finally got me a new Dingoo after I Kentucky ~~::fried::~~ the other one. Yippee! [edit] And lost it!

santino

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2010, 06:23:18 pm »
Your mainboard is probably wracked because you shortcircuited the usb ports. Open your dingoo and look for the speaker cables. Mine got a loose one and it could couse a shortcircuit, too.

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2010, 11:01:45 pm »
Meneer Jansen, don't count on the MediaMarkt being helpful at first in reimbursing any costs. They won't help you.
First threaten with wanting to speak to the manager. If that doesn't work, threaten contacting the main office. If THAT doesn't work, threaten with contacting the Consumentenbond.

It's sad, but that's probably what you need to do to get them to reimburse you for broken adaptor + damage it caused.

Meneer Jansen (OP)

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Re: Kentucky fried Dingoo
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2010, 09:46:28 pm »
Meneer Jansen, don't count on the MediaMarkt being helpful at first in reimbursing any costs. They won't help you.
First threaten with wanting to speak to the manager. If that doesn't work, threaten contacting the main office. If THAT doesn't work, threaten with contacting the Consumentenbond.

It's sad, but that's probably what you need to do to get them to reimburse you for broken adaptor + damage it caused.
Thank you very much for the advice. i don't think they'll agree with me that they are responsible. But I think I'll give it a try. First I want to gain some more electrotechnical knowledge so I can prove it was that bloody charger. I've still got  week to return the MP3 player.

@Santino: I was lucky. I bought a pci card with extra usb ports. Now I do not have to buy a new mainboard (i.e. a new PC). :)
Finally got me a new Dingoo after I Kentucky ~~::fried::~~ the other one. Yippee! [edit] And lost it!

 

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