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Title: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: lazanti on February 20, 2019, 05:14:29 pm
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Powkiddy-X18-Andriod-Handheld-Game-Console-5-5-INCH-1280-720-Screen-MTK8163-quad-core-2G/32974241742.html? (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Powkiddy-X18-Andriod-Handheld-Game-Console-5-5-INCH-1280-720-Screen-MTK8163-quad-core-2G/32974241742.html?)

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Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: Radon_22 on February 22, 2019, 05:17:21 am
Their X16 handheld was almost good- the right size, good form factor, but ran like a dog. I'm intrigued by this, though.

About the same processing power as the original XD.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on February 22, 2019, 11:51:11 am
Old XD has better single and multi core performance than MTK8163. And Xd+ with MTK8176 is about twice single core than this one. 8163 has the advantage over old xd of being 64 bit and android 7 though
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: adventureFAN on March 01, 2019, 03:03:55 pm
Hm... a GPD XD lite =D
For People who don't have a big budget.

I think for Emulation to the PSX-era it is okey.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: lemmywinks on March 03, 2019, 01:47:31 am
Just seen this on a YT video (just a guy talking about it, no footage or anything). Looks like cool option for less money than the XD, good to have an alternative at that price range.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: MJPIA on March 03, 2019, 02:44:18 am
Its worthless currently.
No vulkan and the screen only runs at 51hz.
Theoretically it could be fixed with software assuming they aren't using some junk screen but powkiddy doesn't respond to the email contact on their website.
Unless the screen refresh is fixed this is a big waste of money unless all you want to do is play pal games.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: miroli on March 03, 2019, 05:36:43 pm
Its worthless currently.
No vulkan and the screen only runs at 51hz.
Theoretically it could be fixed with software assuming they aren't using some junk screen but powkiddy doesn't respond to the email contact on their website.
Unless the screen refresh is fixed this is a big waste of money unless all you want to do is play pal games.

I dont care about vulkan, i am a 16-bit guy, but i am worried about  51 Hz you mentioned. It means that usa/jp roms play slowly and with graphical gliches? Why would anyone build such a useless gameing device?
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: Dhelix on March 08, 2019, 12:13:45 am
First known gameplay footage of the unit is here.

https://streamable.com/tbatr

Honestly, I?m impressed for about $120. N64 emulation and PPssPp.

The refresh thing may be overstated to a lot of gamers as well. That said, I hope they improve that but very cool and promising.

Update: Wicked Gamer has done an unboxing and review.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b5laU_3TIHg
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: adventureFAN on March 08, 2019, 08:33:27 am
When the refresh-rate is really 51 Hz then it is not overstated...

And the "reviews" from Wicked Gamer are to superficial in my opinion.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on March 08, 2019, 12:26:39 pm
Refresh rate of 51 hz is just not right for a minimum accurate emulation, unless people don't care to play with frameskip or audio/video stuttering or jerkyness.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: lemmywinks on March 09, 2019, 12:50:55 am
I take it the sub 60hz refresh rate issue can be fixed in software?
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on March 09, 2019, 03:35:07 pm
I take it the sub 60hz refresh rate issue can be fixed in software?

Impossible to know without seeing kernel code and the possibility of compiling a new one.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: lemmywinks on March 09, 2019, 11:30:31 pm
It's so odd that this keeps being an issue in new devices, it's such a novice mistake to make.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: Dhelix on March 10, 2019, 10:40:05 am
In addition to the 51hz refresh rate observed, a user is claiming some button mapping issues related to holding down 3 or more buttons at the same time doing more than that and also activating the 4th button. This was observed in a button mapping test. It?s probably not going to happen a lot in most games but it?s another thing the X18 will need to revise.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: lemmywinks on March 10, 2019, 04:17:08 pm
Hahaha this thing is like a JXD from 2012!!!
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: lazanti on March 10, 2019, 04:25:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5laU_3TIHg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5laU_3TIHg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ13prwPOWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ13prwPOWI)
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: miroli on March 10, 2019, 07:55:56 pm
Many issues with the device are shown on these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjlw25gLoWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ4QPv9IoXQ
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on March 10, 2019, 08:44:25 pm
Hahaha this thing is like a JXD from 2012!!!

JXd s7300b with a screen refresh of 50 hz. I remember that. WAs a headache to fix that device.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: davidgilmour on March 11, 2019, 09:54:34 am
So there are some problems with the buttons when you push all at the same time, which is never.

I wanna see real emulation videos, show how the v sync tearing is!
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: lemmywinks on March 11, 2019, 06:36:32 pm
Hahaha this thing is like a JXD from 2012!!!

JXd s7300b with a screen refresh of 50 hz. I remember that. WAs a headache to fix that device.

Which one had button clashing issues, the S601? Seem to remember one of them I owned had that problem.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on March 11, 2019, 07:12:52 pm
Hahaha this thing is like a JXD from 2012!!!

JXd s7300b with a screen refresh of 50 hz. I remember that. WAs a headache to fix that device.

Which one had button clashing issues, the S601? Seem to remember one of them I owned had that problem.

JXD s5800 I think, they had to release a hardware revision to fix it.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: Dhelix on March 26, 2019, 09:15:41 pm
N64 emulation at the end of this video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KVTWyZ54Qdk&t=1517s

Game Boy Advance gameplay

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RQqmOFdkAiQ

PSP emulation gameplay
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IgTgoFHNG2k

Sega Genesis gameplay
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_asNvOfL58

Mame gameplay
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bcEWDB03zC4

Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: gameblabla on April 16, 2019, 02:38:25 am
Just saying but apparently some powkiddy owners got a new update that fixed the 51hz issue.
Asked someone to try retroarch as well as the 240p test suite and he told me he did not notice any dropped frames
or anything unusual. (Retroarch also reports the refresh rate as 60Hz)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551620694052569101/566991295239946270/JPEG_20190414_101951.jpg)

Just thought i would add this here.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: adventureFAN on April 16, 2019, 07:55:16 am
Now the device become intresting =D
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: Dhelix on April 25, 2019, 03:22:19 am
Video confirmation of the 60hz update. Looks good.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vHW84DZojFI
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: sausage on May 20, 2019, 05:33:44 pm
I've been looking at these for a few weeks but finally give in and bought one when the price fell on Aliexpress to under ?70 - seems a complete bargain for that price. The price has gone up slightly now to ?79 (seller is Computer &Accessories discount Store) but that still seems pretty decent. As always it's a couple of quid cheaper via the app than on the standard website.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: jonothan on August 13, 2019, 09:40:05 pm
The right hinge on my original GPD XD has cracked all the way through, even though I treated it like it was made of glass...and both hinges are now floppy, so I ended up looking around to find something to replace it.  The XD Plus is still stupidly expensive for what it is, and I ended up getting an X18 for around $75 shipped off eBay.  I actually like the build of the case quite a bit more than the XD...it's not as sleek, but I never liked the feel of the hinges on the XD from the first time I opened it, and the X18 has bluetooth and faster wifi built in, so there are trade-offs depending on what you value in a machine.

I wish there was a custom ROM available for the device.  I'd also like to be able to send the manufacturer an e-mail to push them to fix the issue with the controls overlapping if you do too much button-mashing, but Google isn't helping me find a contact.  Anybody have any clue on that?  There's a guy on YouTube who has apparently gotten them to release a fix for the refresh rate issue, so maybe they're at least semi-responsive.

For the price, it seems to really fill a void between the cost of the lower-end devices and the upper-end like the XD+.  I could see a lot of people really enjoying this thing, especially if it got a little more support.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: Neo Mp3 on October 25, 2019, 02:22:45 pm
Also got one for me. It needs root, because I can't install programs on sd, for example. Everything else is perfect for me, especially the build quality.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: iball on October 25, 2019, 05:13:58 pm
The right hinge on my original GPD XD has cracked all the way through, even though I treated it like it was made of glass...and both hinges are now floppy, so I ended up looking around to find something to replace it.  The XD Plus is still stupidly expensive for what it is, and I ended up getting an X18 for around $75 shipped off eBay.  I actually like the build of the case quite a bit more than the XD...it's not as sleek, but I never liked the feel of the hinges on the XD from the first time I opened it, and the X18 has bluetooth and faster wifi built in, so there are trade-offs depending on what you value in a machine.

I wish there was a custom ROM available for the device.  I'd also like to be able to send the manufacturer an e-mail to push them to fix the issue with the controls overlapping if you do too much button-mashing, but Google isn't helping me find a contact.  Anybody have any clue on that?  There's a guy on YouTube who has apparently gotten them to release a fix for the refresh rate issue, so maybe they're at least semi-responsive.

For the price, it seems to really fill a void between the cost of the lower-end devices and the upper-end like the XD+.  I could see a lot of people really enjoying this thing, especially if it got a little more support.

I had the same hinge issue with my XD+so now it sits unused due to the floppy screen.
I'm avoiding the X18 until a "clean ROM" similar to the XD+ is released for it because I don't want to use PK's software.
Good to hear the X18 doesn't have the same hinge-breaking issue the XD+ has.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: TROGO on December 02, 2019, 03:51:14 pm
Good news!
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: Nintendo on December 02, 2019, 07:25:13 pm
Omg!! Thanks heaps for the awesome news, I think I'll have to purchase a powkiddy x18 next year sometime :)
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: rutjoni on December 03, 2019, 07:53:54 am
Good news!

Could you put the link? thanks
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: TROGO on December 04, 2019, 09:39:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g6BEJrMqcI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g6BEJrMqcI)

Working CFW Clean android!
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: Nintendo on December 05, 2019, 08:17:06 am
Thank you again :)
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: tiagao_extremo on December 05, 2019, 01:13:05 pm
I was watching this video and somehow this device it's running Dolphin. Isn't it supposed to perform worst than the original XD? Is this because of the 64 bit cpu or the newer android version?
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on December 06, 2019, 04:18:02 pm
I was watching this video and somehow this device it's running Dolphin. Isn't it supposed to perform worst than the original XD? Is this because of the 64 bit cpu or the newer android version?

It performs worse, but since it has 64 bit can run Dolphin.... but at slowmotion. Even the XD+ struggles with gamecube being more powerful. The only advantage I find is that it comes with android 7, but that's it.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: tiagao_extremo on December 06, 2019, 10:24:09 pm
It performs worse, but since it has 64 bit can run Dolphin.... but at slowmotion. Even the XD+ struggles with gamecube being more powerful. The only advantage I find is that it comes with android 7, but that's it.

I do remember i've seen a few years ago a video from the original XD running Dolphin, and it was basically a slide show. I'm not saying that the X18 is running in an acceptable way, but it's still surprising to me. With a good custom firmware this device could be a good alternative for those who can't afford a XD Plus, and it's much better than the RG-350, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on December 07, 2019, 08:25:12 am
It performs worse, but since it has 64 bit can run Dolphin.... but at slowmotion. Even the XD+ struggles with gamecube being more powerful. The only advantage I find is that it comes with android 7, but that's it.

I do remember i've seen a few years ago a video from the original XD running Dolphin, and it was basically a slide show. I'm not saying that the X18 is running in an acceptable way, but it's still surprising to me. With a good custom firmware this device could be a good alternative for those who can't afford a XD Plus, and it's much better than the RG-350, in my opinion.

Better than a rg-350 for sure. About CFW,some guys at discord are trying to make a clean rom, but there is no source code, so kernel and that stuff will be stock unless these powkiidy guys release code.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: rutjoni on December 07, 2019, 08:02:40 pm
It performs worse, but since it has 64 bit can run Dolphin.... but at slowmotion. Even the XD+ struggles with gamecube being more powerful. The only advantage I find is that it comes with android 7, but that's it.

I do remember i've seen a few years ago a video from the original XD running Dolphin, and it was basically a slide show. I'm not saying that the X18 is running in an acceptable way, but it's still surprising to me. With a good custom firmware this device could be a good alternative for those who can't afford a XD Plus, and it's much better than the RG-350, in my opinion.

Better than a rg-350 for sure. About CFW,some guys at discord are trying to make a clean rom, but there is no source code, so kernel and that stuff will be stock unless these powkiidy guys release code.
Pues aqui han sacado una rom limpia ,que espero que funcione mejor ,pero como no se ingles no se como hacerlo ,si alguien pudiera hacer un tutorial en espa?ol lo agradeceria mucho ,gracias

Well, here they have produced a clean rom, which I hope will work better, but since I don't know English I don't know how to do it, if someone could do a tutorial in Spanish I would really appreciate it, thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPBTFuOc0t8
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on December 08, 2019, 11:54:57 am
It's a stock ROM with Google Play, you can clean It from bloarware with root, but that's It. That firmware has been made by powkiddy, it's not a custom firmware
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: rutjoni on December 08, 2019, 02:19:57 pm
It's a stock ROM with Google Play, you can clean It from bloarware with root, but that's It. That firmware has been made by powkiddy, it's not a custom firmware
no entiendo nada de estos temas , puesto el video del tutorial y de la descarga ,pero no lo hizo powkiddy lo ha hecho
Taki Udon que yo sepa ,
quieres decir que instalado la rom que han creado de android 7 limpio ,no voy a tener mejora del que tiene la consola de fabrica aparte de google play ?
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: skelton on December 08, 2019, 03:41:31 pm
It's a stock ROM with Google Play, you can clean It from bloarware with root, but that's It. That firmware has been made by powkiddy, it's not a custom firmware
no entiendo nada de estos temas , puesto el video del tutorial y de la descarga ,pero no lo hizo powkiddy lo ha hecho
Taki Udon que yo sepa ,
quieres decir que instalado la rom que han creado de android 7 limpio ,no voy a tener mejora del que tiene la consola de fabrica aparte de google play ?

No lo ha creado Taki udon, el ha hecho el tutorial. Pero es un firmware de powkiddy con google plat y sin el launcher ese chino, es lo que cambia.
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: rutjoni on December 08, 2019, 03:58:01 pm
It's a stock ROM with Google Play, you can clean It from bloarware with root, but that's It. That firmware has been made by powkiddy, it's not a custom firmware
no entiendo nada de estos temas , puesto el video del tutorial y de la descarga ,pero no lo hizo powkiddy lo ha hecho
Taki Udon que yo sepa ,
quieres decir que instalado la rom que han creado de android 7 limpio ,no voy a tener mejora del que tiene la consola de fabrica aparte de google play ?

No lo ha creado Taki udon, el ha hecho el tutorial. Pero es un firmware de powkiddy con google plat y sin el launcher ese chino, es lo que cambia.
me podrias hacer un favor y explicarme como se instala ? es que en el tutorial en ingles y que no tengo casi conocimiento en el tema ,no me aclaro y me da royo joder la consola .a ver si me lo puedes hacer en escrito explicado mas facil ,gracias
Title: Re: Powkiddy X18 [GPD XD Clone]
Post by: rutjoni on December 16, 2019, 05:28:00 pm
It's a stock ROM with Google Play, you can clean It from bloarware with root, but that's It. That firmware has been made by powkiddy, it's not a custom firmware
no entiendo nada de estos temas , puesto el video del tutorial y de la descarga ,pero no lo hizo powkiddy lo ha hecho
Taki Udon que yo sepa ,
quieres decir que instalado la rom que han creado de android 7 limpio ,no voy a tener mejora del que tiene la consola de fabrica aparte de google play ?

No lo ha creado Taki udon, el ha hecho el tutorial. Pero es un firmware de powkiddy con google plat y sin el launcher ese chino, es lo que cambia.
no te volvere a pedir nada mas ya es la segunda vez que te pido un favor y no eres capaz ni de responder y si de hacer te el loco ,gracias por todo ya me ayudo Taki