Author Topic: MUCH W1 out soon!  (Read 113467 times)

irwannasit (OP)

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MUCH W1 out soon!
« on: August 21, 2014, 08:02:12 am »
Much w1 is coming out soon. Here's some pics.

montie1965

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2014, 11:12:05 am »
It's already on sale (started yesterday)


http://item.jd.com/1172938.html

I want one , but the price is too high at the moment. I'll wait
til the price drops to something I'm happy with , then pick one
up...



nielo360

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2014, 11:48:33 am »
BE WARNED:the dpad keys and left stick are joined. it wont work natively with many games, Mapping with the inbuilt mapper will be ok but the mapped icon is always present in every game as a boxed icon and and can never ever be removed. Its the same as Much i5s, and will never have custom roms to fix the issues.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2014, 11:53:50 am by nielo360 »

BaldMonk

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2014, 12:13:46 pm »
Thanks for the heads up nielo360. The left stick/d-pad issue is a total deal breaker.

vcoleiro1

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 01:50:00 pm »
$325, ahhh , no thanks. 

illuminerdi

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 04:10:55 pm »
I'm continually amazed at the sloppy execution on these devices.  Mind if I go on a rant for a minute?

Hey Chinese manufacturers, are you listening? Here's what a "game phone" would NEED for me (and probably other members of this community) to actually be something I would buy:

Specs:

Quad core 1.6ghz or above - RK3188 is dated at this point, I'd probably not buy anything that wasn't at least as fast as an RK3288 or Tegra 4.  I don't need an octa-core monstrosity, most Android games aren't nearly *that* high end, and emulation of Dreamcast and below can be done by an RK3188.  Besides, octacore chips eat batteries for breakfast.

Decent GPU - this is one of the areas where the RK3188 is really behind.  The Mali 400 GPU is underpowered garbage, a dedicated gaming device should have something like a Tegra or an Adreno 330.  I hear the RK3288's GPU is pretty beefy, but I have yet to see it in action.  Anything's better than the Mali400/450 though, those things are just plain dated.

Between 4.6" and 5.2" screen, either 720 or 1080p - definitely nothing *above* 1080p (too expensive, too much battery drain, too much work for the GPU).  Screen must run at 60HZ in the OS.  No idea why all these companies keep releasing with 50hz or 52hz refresh rates.  An LCD panel that doesn't do 60hz is pretty much unheard of, so why wouldn't they clock the system to that refresh rate?

1 to 3GB of RAM, nothing below 1GB and even that's on the "low end" these days.

Either 8GB of onboard storage AND a microSD card slot, or 16GB of onboard storage if no MicroSD.  Games (the phone's primary feature, remember?) take up a LOT of space, so we want to be able to hold more than 1 or 2 at a time.

Rear Camera 8MP or above. Doesn't have to be great, but don't use the cheapest one around either.

Front Camera: whatever is cheapest or even don't include a front camera.  Front cameras are for selfies and I doubt many gamers are going to not buy a device that won't let them take selfies.  We know how to use a mirror if we *really* want to take a selfie.

Capacitive multi-touch screen that is flush with the surface of the device.  This one is a no brainer, but bears mentioning anyway.

Proximity sensor that disables both the screen AND the face buttons when it detects a face nearby - I don't want a phone that I can't hold up against my face without worrying about accidental button presses. 

And here's the biggest and most important thing of all: it absolutely must be able to fit easily and comfortably in a normal (jeans) pocket - ideally it would be able to fit comfortably in a pair of "slim fit" jeans from a company like Old Navy (not those ultra slim jeggings jeans - nothing fits in them).  This is why I'd be ok with something like a 4.6" screen; a super large 5.5" screen and game buttons would probably put the phone into "phablet" size and wouldn't fit in a normal pocket. That's a dealbreaker.  I can live with a 4.6" screen if that's what it took to make it able to have buttons and fit in a pocket.  Hell, I can fit my PS Vita in my pocket and that has a 5" screen and lots of padding around the screen for the buttons and speakers - it wasn't even designed to fit into a pocket and it still does, so this is a very approachable goal we're talking about here.

Controls

The phone must have the following:
1 Dpad (that is 1 piece, no separate [2 piece] dpads!)
1 or 2 Analog slider(s)
4 round face buttons (sorry JXD - the teardrop shape kinda sucks) of equal size, preferably labeled "ABXY" - in standard (+) formation
Start and Select face buttons
2 or 4 shoulder (LR) buttons - snappy ones, not mushy like the ones on the Xperia Play.  This is one area the JXD S5800 got right.

Separate dpad and joystick - no exceptions, and a dedicated joystick driver for Android so that games actually recognize the controls properly.  A lot more games are going to start supporting joysticks soon now that Android TV is on the way.

Form Factor:

Analog stick should be a slider that is flush with the device face or not raised up beyond about 1-2mm above surface, otherwise device will not pocket easily (sorry JXD S5800 - real analogs was a nice idea, but totally not comfortable in a pocket). 

Absolutely no touch pads like on the Xperia Play.  I get why they included them, but they were a complete joke, and were utterly useless as analog sticks.  They might as well have just left them out and used the extra space for larger buttons.

Front facing or bottom (in landscape) facing speakers.  No back speakers, and NO side speakers that get covered by your hands when holding in landscape orientation.

Dpad, analog slider, and face buttons should all be a reasonable size for both Asian and Western thumb sizes - no super-tiny buttons with sharp corners.  Nothing smaller than the PS Vita's buttons, for example.

MicroUSB charging port.  No exceptions.  You can add a DC charge port as well, but if the phone doesn't also charge via MicroUSB I won't buy it.  I have 50 MicroUSB chargers floating around my house, and everyone else has one (or 5) at their house, so if I'm at a friend's house and need a quick juice up - I can .  The continued insistence on these DC chargers from JXD and GPD is completely baffling to me.  I get that they're more common in China, and I can live with them on a tablet, but it's a complete dealbreaker if my phone won't charge via MicroUSB.  I don't want to have to buy a bunch of new (and hard to find) chargers for my car(s) and office.

Software:
Android 4.4 Kitkat should be the minimum here - it improves performance over previous Android versions, so I don't see why any manufacturer wouldn't choose this.  Really, these companies should jump on the 4.5 release when it hits - it's going to include battery saving options that would be very good for a device designed for extended use such as this.

I'm not going to say that the software has to be open source - it would be nice, but I get why companies don't do it, but the manufacturers should at least be willing to work with people like skelton and other "scene" developers to produce alternative roms for those of us who prefer to debloat or overclock.

Battery:
3000mah minimum, realistically a device like this should be 4000mah or above - in other words, at LEAST enough juice to last for a full day of "heavy" use.

Misc stuff that companies keep getting wrong:

Don't worry about making it super-thin! I don't get why manufacturers keep trying to make phones so insanely thin - a thick device is fine if that's what it takes to get a large battery in there with good cooling and good lifespan.  Anything below about 15mm is probably FINE.  My current phone is 10.1mm and it could easily gain 2-5mm without being what I would consider "too large".  The important thing here is to keep the buttons and analogs close to the face so that it pockets easily - if you have to make the device thicker so that you can partially recess the controls that's fine, just don't recess them too far and make them uncomfortable to use.   The "slider" style of the Xperia Play was absolutely brilliant here - the dpad and face buttons were awesome on that thing, and they were neatly tucked out of the way when not in use.  Too bad that "slide out" buttons are patented and can't be used without paying royalties...

Clamshell form factor *might* work if you did the "fold over all the way onto the back" style of clamshell.  One handed operation of a smartphone is essential, so unless you had that style of clamshell design it's not even remotely an option.  A clamshell would make the phone a lot thicker, but could probably still fit in a pocket.  The (non XL) 3ds fits in a pocket pretty easily...maybe that's something JXD or iReadyGo should try for their next game phone?  But again - no styluses, and it must be able to be operated with one hand and one thumb.

Mostly companies need to remember that this is an everyday device, it will follow me everywhere I go, it needs to be durable enough to withstand constantly going into my pocket and being taken back out.  The W1 looks like it got this mostly right, but still screwed up too many other key areas.

Really nice but not essential features:

Global LTE - while I know that China is just now getting onto the LTE spectrum, it would be really hard for me to justify my next phone not having LTE that works here in the US.  I would maybe be ok with 3g but it's still a pretty tough sell these days and is definitely one of the larger reasons I didn't even consider the JXD S5800 after seeing all of its other flaws.

Dedicated Back/Home/Menu buttons.  These are nice to have, but you're already putting a ton of buttons on the face of this device, so using soft buttons for this instead of physical buttons is totally understandable.  Only include dedicated buttons for these if you have the extra space and can add them without sacrificing *anything* else in the process.  Again, the W1 looks like it did pretty decently in this regard.

Yes I know this proposal isn't exactly easy or cheap - I'm sure some or many of the flaws in these devices are to save money, but if I'm already going to drop $300+ on a new phone I'm not going to buy it unless it has every single one of these requirements checked off.

I would easily pay $300 for a device that meets all of the above criteria, and I think it's a very realistic goal.  The Much W1 got SO CLOSE - if only they'd split the dpad and joystick and included dedicated joystick drivers...

/Rant over, sorry for hijacking your thread.

jamesensor

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 05:36:50 pm »
Lol nerd RAGE!  ;D very nice!

Btw, how much you estimate that device would cost iluminerdi?
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Deen0X

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 08:15:52 pm »
BE WARNED:the dpad keys and left stick are joined. it wont work natively with many games, Mapping with the inbuilt mapper will be ok but the mapped icon is always present in every game as a boxed icon and and can never ever be removed. Its the same as Much i5s, and will never have custom roms to fix the issues.

pffff.. ok, thanks for the info.

irwannasit (OP)

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2014, 12:35:43 am »
Most of your inputs are greatly welcomed. :-) but I own g2 and i5s of these game phone brand and I have to say my gaming pleasures have greatly improved and pacified.

Will get my phone in the next two weeks. Will do a review then. :-)

irwannasit (OP)

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 12:38:58 am »
Hi there. The mapping button can be made to disappear. Yes, I had the issue last few versions but after I know how to make it disappear, it's not really much of a problem.

Want me to teach you how hide the button app from coming on screen? :-)

retrodoodoo

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 02:39:25 am »
Have less and less attention on this device now. The selling price on JD is RMB 1999- about 330 US dollars.

We can help you to buy this device if more people are interesting in it. Can any body tell us how many people will buy it?
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 02:41:16 am by willgoo »

senlar

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2014, 03:19:11 am »
Will get my phone in the next two weeks. Will do a review then. :-)

i'm looking forward to your review.  this phone has me way more interested than the g2. 

hearing that the left thumbstick and dpad are mirrored has me concerned, but i'd like to hear a hands on review before making up my mind...

montie1965

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2014, 05:38:57 am »
I'm interested in it , but ONLY if the price drops to $ 220 - $250. Which is what
I think it is worth.

irwannasit (OP)

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2014, 08:36:33 am »
Let's do a poll.. How much would you want to buy it at?

Current is at 330usd.

I would like it at 250usd.

lemmywinks

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2014, 09:13:37 am »
With a linked dpad/analog, random refresh rate and no proper joystick driver I'd probably not spend more than $100 on this, preferably less.

Such a shame, it looks really nice.
Handhelds:
GPD Win, GPD XD 64gb, RS-97, RS-90, 3DS XL, DSi XL, GBA SP, GBBC Clone, Gameboy Pocket, PSP Go
PC:
Medion Erazer, Toshiba Z20t, Dell Mini 9, Psion 5MX
Tons of other old laptops and tablets.....

Dkwookie

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2014, 09:41:01 am »
I was interested until I saw price, now no interest. For that you could get a nvidia shield and a decent phone

irwannasit (OP)

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2014, 01:56:39 pm »
Ah... Genuinely didn't see the previous W1 post. Well, I'll just put it up as my personal review once I'll get the phone.

Truthfully, it does serves my purpose. But my input is just my own. :-)

montie1965

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2014, 09:11:43 am »
Here's some photos of it with back cover off...

http://mobile.it168.com/a2014/0820/1658/000001658651_1.shtml

Battery seems so small , compared to the size of the unit...

jamesensor

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2014, 03:30:51 pm »
Much battery lol

They didn' do any effort to hide their brand  ;D

Looks good but the price... aww....  ???
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illuminerdi

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Re: MUCH W1 out soon!
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2014, 05:31:42 pm »
Lol nerd RAGE!  ;D very nice!

Btw, how much you estimate that device would cost iluminerdi?

Depends on a lot of things - I think a lot of these Chinese companies buy and use parts not because it what they want, but because it's what the supplier can make cheaply.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the parts in these devices were "the leftovers" which is why they're always behind the curve - most devices are 1080p or higher these days, whereas GPD *just* launched the Q88 with 720p.  Because most companies weren't buying 7" 720p panels anymore, so they probably got them at clearance prices.

So the price of parts would be a major factor in the cost of the phone.  Considering that the OnePlus One sells for about $300 USD and that's more or less "at cost" according to the manufacturer, and the OPO's specs are well above what I postulated for my "dream" device, I'd guess that something around $300 would also be a very doable target if you reduced the price of some parts in order to cover the cost of adding in the game controls.

If I had the time and knowledge I'd probably even considering making a Kickstarter for something like this.  How cool would it be to create and sell "The Dingoonity phone" and "The Dingoonity Tablet"? Freaktab has already started making and selling their own branded Android TV boxes - basically just ordering a pre-made model from a chinese factory and making their own firmware for it, but that's a lot easier since those TV boxes don't require fabrication of external controls and IC designs like my proposed phone would.  But it makes for a nice dream...maybe someday a company will get it right.

Soon as they do, they've got my money...