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Title: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: xphyle on December 06, 2012, 05:45:06 pm
http://www.archos.com/store/index.html?load=gamepad&boxtwo

Only for EUROPE.  US doesn't get it until Q1, 2013.  :(
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Post by: crazyhorse2352 on December 06, 2012, 05:56:32 pm
Cool, i want one of these bad boys! bit skint at the mo tho.Would appreciate anybody posting a review once received.
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Post by: BAFelton on December 06, 2012, 06:17:46 pm
Tried one and it's quite good from my point of view.

A little vid I made (sorry, in french) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cPGk8HpRLQ&list=UUqLnCAcGk9R-R-xJ6gXwasA&index=1
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Post by: qbertaddict on December 06, 2012, 07:04:23 pm
Tried one and it's quite good from my point of view.

A little vid I made (sorry, in french) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cPGk8HpRLQ&list=UUqLnCAcGk9R-R-xJ6gXwasA&index=1

Wonder how much it will be in the us. I would like to review one.
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Post by: Deen0X on December 06, 2012, 07:23:52 pm
got it!

now, wait until April for a review... ^_^
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: crazyhorse2352 on December 06, 2012, 08:30:04 pm
   Nice video, is the dpad any good?
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Post by: Zibri on December 06, 2012, 08:37:30 pm
Just confirmed my order :)
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Lino on December 06, 2012, 08:59:48 pm
Ordered one in time ...sold out until Dez 18.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: xphyle on December 06, 2012, 09:09:13 pm
FULL REVIEW HERE WITH LOTS OF PICS!!!!!  LOOKS GREAT!

http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featured/archos-gamepad-android-portable-console-review-part-1-introduction/
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Post by: Redgeneral on December 06, 2012, 10:48:02 pm
Missed it
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: retrogamer on December 06, 2012, 11:12:04 pm
Sounds like the d-pad is not that good......will have to check out some more reviews before I get excited.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: hailrazer on December 07, 2012, 02:01:04 am
Sounds like the d-pad is not that good......will have to check out some more reviews before I get excited.

Probably can be fiked by removing the buttons, cutting out the middle and putting in a Ps1 d-pad or Nes d-pad. 

Not for the faint of heart but easy for us modders  :)
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: retrogamer on December 07, 2012, 04:51:03 am
Sounds like the d-pad is not that good......will have to check out some more reviews before I get excited.

Probably can be fiked by removing the buttons, cutting out the middle and putting in a Ps1 d-pad or Nes d-pad. 

Not for the faint of heart but easy for us modders  :)

Well I have seen some of your work, I am sure its a walk in the park for you...lol I wish i had those skills.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: ruffnutts on December 07, 2012, 08:05:45 am
Sold out so I can't get one lol before crimbo.. only thinking of getting it because the JXD S5600B is delayed...

its ?129.98 thought it was meant to be ?124.98?
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: ruffnutts on December 07, 2012, 08:39:31 am
Tried one and it's quite good from my point of view.

A little vid I made (sorry, in french) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cPGk8HpRLQ&list=UUqLnCAcGk9R-R-xJ6gXwasA&index=1

Nice video BAF... please test golden eye and perfect dark on the N64iod emu please 8)
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: skelton on December 07, 2012, 10:53:57 am
Quite dissapointed about review, specially battery, controls and screen. I was going to buy one, but after seeing review, i will defintely save my money. I expected more, specially considering it is not a chinese tab.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: nampad on December 07, 2012, 02:47:22 pm
Wow, the device looks really ugly in the pictures from the review (promoshots were ok). The design isn't sleek at all and the L2/R2 placement is totally ridiculous. Should've been a six button design (great for fighting games) instead if there wasn't any space left for two more shoulder buttons. It's stupid because you can't use L2 without moving your left thumb from the movement controls.

Guess I'll wait for the S5600 but still, I hope there will be more reviews soon.
Title: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Dexidus on December 07, 2012, 02:57:14 pm
Wow, the device looks really ugly in the pictures from the review (promoshots were ok). The design isn't sleek at all and the L2/R2 placement is totally ridiculous. Should've been a six button design (great for fighting games) instead if there wasn't any space left for two more shoulder buttons. It's stupid because you can't use L2 without moving your left thumb from the movement controls.

Guess I'll wait for the S5600 but still, I hope there will be more reviews soon.

I was thinking the same thing about the l2/r2 placement... such a dumb idea to put them there, the shoulder buttons are meant to be on the shoulders, so you can use your fingers and not your thumbs, as thumbs are for dpad and whatnot... Way to go, archos :) you know what bugs me a lot for some reason? The headphone jack, why is it not flush and sticks out? Horrible design I think, but maybe it's just me...

Jxd has a chance to really outshine archos here, let's hope they don't disappoint!
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Zibri on December 07, 2012, 04:02:43 pm
I sent an email to archos, asking for the fedex tracking code.

They answered me that it's out of stock and I'll have to wait for the next shipment on th 18th.

That's UNFAIR, because when I placed the order, the gamepad was STILL in stock!

I hate this behaviour and I'm thinking about cancelling my order.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 07, 2012, 04:11:30 pm
take it easy!

probably is an common answer for any that asking for the gadget.

i get a mail notificacation:

Quote
Dear Customer,
We are pleased to inform you that your order placed on ARCHOS website has been shipped today.
Please find attached the corresponding invoice.
You will receive your order within 2 days.
Best regards
Web sales team

there are some codes, but i don?t know where i can check this (i imagine on DHL, i'll investigate) but i wait for few days to get notification of this.

patience my friend. :D
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Zibri on December 07, 2012, 04:28:29 pm
I am taking it easy, but I haven't received an email like you.

I received a totally different email after placing my order.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Zibri on December 07, 2012, 05:09:35 pm
Update: I send them another email. I gave them 2 choices: send me a unit NOW or refund me.

I don't like being fooled around.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Lino on December 10, 2012, 10:18:26 am
Wow, the device looks really ugly in the pictures from the review (promoshots were ok). The design isn't sleek at all and the L2/R2 placement is totally ridiculous. Should've been a six button design (great for fighting games) instead if there wasn't any space left for two more shoulder buttons. It's stupid because you can't use L2 without moving your left thumb from the movement controls.

Guess I'll wait for the S5600 but still, I hope there will be more reviews soon.

I was thinking the same thing about the l2/r2 placement... such a dumb idea to put them there, the shoulder buttons are meant to be on the shoulders, so you can use your fingers and not your thumbs, as thumbs are for dpad and whatnot... Way to go, archos :) you know what bugs me a lot for some reason? The headphone jack, why is it not flush and sticks out? Horrible design I think, but maybe it's just me...

Jxd has a chance to really outshine archos here, let's hope they don't disappoint!

Moving your left thumb from the controls will be stupid? It sure is odd, but stupid? Stupid would be making the device thicker to fit them in the right place. Remains to be seen... There are some new videos flowing around the forum of devs moving their fingers off nubs. You saw that, didn't you  ;D

The R2+L2 is better than no R2+L2 in my book. There are a lot of devices (even new and "new" gaming devices) that have no L2+R2. That can also be said for the dual, "real analogue", nub... Just sayin'..

And as for the headphone jack sticking out..maybe it's a by-product of build quality... Seeing it does not mess with functionality I'd say it is a welcome addition.

I'm also relay curious to see how it stands against the JXD 7300. In terms of looks..the archos wins..only a blind (or blinded) man/woman wouldn't see that.
Title: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Dexidus on December 10, 2012, 11:37:09 am
Hmmm, i dunno, maybe it's just me, but shoulder buttons should be on the shoulder. Also i guess people have different opinions on look, cuz the s7300 is actually a stunning device, whereas the gamepad looks like it wants to be a ufo or something haha. Just my opinion, i'm allowed to have it as are you, so meh. I can't see myself buying the gamepad though, especially with it's 2 hour gameplay battery life. If it were maybe $80 cheaper (I'm Canadian so it'll be $200 when it comes out here), sure, but paying $100 per hour of usability doesn't seem right to me :) that's just me though.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: qbertaddict on December 10, 2012, 11:56:44 am
If you want android gaming two analog nubs, l1, r1, r1, r2 ,and a dpad go get a gameklip its 15 bucks and lets you use a real ps3 controller and fits on most phones. There isn't one for tablets yet though so if you want a 7 inch screen you need to go elsewhere. I was given a gameklip and have not bought a chinese PMP since. I'm not trying to hijack the thread I am only mentioning this since some people seem to be disappointed about this device. I did a review of it on my channel if you want to see what it looks like.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Zibri on December 10, 2012, 12:14:04 pm
Archos still haven't refund me.

This is totally unprofessional.
Title: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Dexidus on December 10, 2012, 12:18:20 pm
Thanks Q, actually I am new to android gaming, just waiting on my first device now (jxd s5300). The Gameklip is a good idea for sure, but then I'd also have to buy a ps3 controller and an android phone, so that'd be pretty pricey. If it worked with the nexus7, then maaaaybe, however truthfully i am not a huge fan of the add-on devices like those, they add a lot of bulk and whatnot whereas I'd rather have a single device. I've bever been much of a console person (I got an original xbox recently because I saw a post by you on xbox emulation station and it's great!), always been much more of a handheld kinda guy :)
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Post by: Deen0X on December 10, 2012, 12:32:52 pm
Dexidus, check this. may be interesting for you...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/phonejoy/phonejoy-play-turn-your-phone-into-a-console
Title: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Dexidus on December 10, 2012, 12:54:22 pm
I saw that, it's interesting for sure! I like that it collapses and stuff. I have the icade mobile, but neeeeever use it becase i'm always on my caanoo. I got the s5300 so that i can limit the amount of device switching (i have my iphone and ipad and caanoo all beside me on the couch, it'd be nice to have 1 device that can do most of what all of them do haha).
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Zibri on December 10, 2012, 02:25:01 pm
They finally refunded it.
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Post by: retrogamer on December 10, 2012, 04:06:34 pm
If you want android gaming two analog nubs, l1, r1, r1, r2 ,and a dpad go get a gameklip its 15 bucks and lets you use a real ps3 controller and fits on most phones. There isn't one for tablets yet though so if you want a 7 inch screen you need to go elsewhere. I was given a gameklip and have not bought a chinese PMP since. I'm not trying to hijack the thread I am only mentioning this since some people seem to be disappointed about this device. I did a review of it on my channel if you want to see what it looks like.

Yeah I have given up on the gamepad, when comparing the screen to other devices, it is not that impressive. I also need a decent d-pad. I have decided to go the gameklip route and get a ps3 controller. I think I am going to get a Samsung Galaxy Note 2, which is quad core and 2 gigs of ram and a 5.5 inch screen. It also has a pretty good battery. That combined with a ps3 controller and a gameklip is probably the best overall option for an android handheld at the moment. The note 2 is a bit of overkill and not cheap, but I like the larger screen.

I may just wait until after Christmas and see if I can somehow get my hands on a note 2 for a reasonable cost without using it as my phone and getting a contract. I figure even if I had to pay 350-400 for it, it would still be less then what I end up spending on other inferior and disappointing android handhelds. But I will probably need a phone soon anyway, so may just get it as my main phone.  Just getting tired of waiting for something to replace the Xperia Play's quality and performance.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 10, 2012, 10:20:28 pm
anybody rooted this device?

and, where are the drivers to install Archos drivers, and access to MTP interface? (microsd)
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: nampad on December 11, 2012, 12:48:03 am

Moving your left thumb from the controls will be stupid? It sure is odd, but stupid? Stupid would be making the device thicker to fit them in the right place. Remains to be seen... There are some new videos flowing around the forum of devs moving their fingers off nubs. You saw that, didn't you  ;D

The R2+L2 is better than no R2+L2 in my book. There are a lot of devices (even new and "new" gaming devices) that have no L2+R2. That can also be said for the dual, "real analogue", nub... Just sayin'..

And as for the headphone jack sticking out..maybe it's a by-product of build quality... Seeing it does not mess with functionality I'd say it is a welcome addition.

I'm also relay curious to see how it stands against the JXD 7300. In terms of looks..the archos wins..only a blind (or blinded) man/woman wouldn't see that.

Yes, having L2/R2 is better than nothing, but still the button placement IS stupid. It's all style over usability and I would say it is a design failure. I don't know how well a side by side placement would work out as I have never tried one before, but they could have just made a six button layout instead. Both are better alternatives and don't make the device any thicker. Same goes for the dpad with buttons instead of a connected one (and NO, the Playstation design isn't the same, they are connected underneath).
I can't help you if you can't see the problem with moving your left thumb from the movement controls.

From pictures, I actually prefer the look of the new JXD devices (Nintendo 3DS/DS look) over the Archos. I think the Archos looks really ugly, like a tablet with glued on controls. The small details like the bezel, the rough area around the analog sticks etc. look cheap.
Title: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Dexidus on December 11, 2012, 12:51:10 am

Moving your left thumb from the controls will be stupid? It sure is odd, but stupid? Stupid would be making the device thicker to fit them in the right place. Remains to be seen... There are some new videos flowing around the forum of devs moving their fingers off nubs. You saw that, didn't you  ;D

The R2+L2 is better than no R2+L2 in my book. There are a lot of devices (even new and "new" gaming devices) that have no L2+R2. That can also be said for the dual, "real analogue", nub... Just sayin'..

And as for the headphone jack sticking out..maybe it's a by-product of build quality... Seeing it does not mess with functionality I'd say it is a welcome addition.

I'm also relay curious to see how it stands against the JXD 7300. In terms of looks..the archos wins..only a blind (or blinded) man/woman wouldn't see that.

Yes, having L2/R2 is better than nothing, but still the button placement IS stupid. It's all style over usability and I would say it is a design failure. I don't know how well a side by side placement would work out as I have never tried one before, but they could have just made a six button layout instead. Both are better alternatives and don't make the device any thicker. Same goes for the dpad with buttons instead of a connected one (and NO, the Playstation design isn't the same, they are connected underneath).
I can't help you if you can't see the problem with moving your left thumb from the movement controls.

From pictures, I actually prefer the look of the new JXD devices (Nintendo 3DS/DS look) over the Archos. I think the Archos looks really ugly, like a tablet with glued on controls. The small details like the bezel, the rough area around the analog sticks etc. look cheap.

Yuuup
+1
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 01:39:30 am
Hi guys!

i'm preparing a review of this device, and i found a problem that i think is interesting to post here.

i grab two videos about overlapping button (yes... there is overlappings... and many)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjas85fKD9I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2x8SL3x5Q4

as i said on another forums, my feel is that these problem may be solved with some update from archos.

for now, i only tested with FPSe. now, i?m preparing other testings to add to my review. if i found any intetersting to show you before, i'll post here.

greetings!
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Post by: skelton on December 11, 2012, 07:45:36 am
wow, this is the info I needed. It has combo issues like the Yinlips machines. Defintely won't buy this.
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Post by: fosamax on December 11, 2012, 09:20:50 am
@Deen0x

Could you please make a test with the following rom for SNES :

http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=917&action=showrom&id=1399348 (http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=917&action=showrom&id=1399348)

(http://www.planetemu.net/data/screenshots/Nintendo%20-%20Super%20NES/Controller%20Test%20Cassette%20(Japan).png)

This a controller test for super famicom and it's pretty visual so it's making button overlapping quite obvious when there are (I used that one to test the Yinlips G16 and it's a real nightmare)

I will not buy the gamepad since button overlapping will probably not be adressed by a firmware fix (never saw any fix for that on other android devices).

I don't understand why the manufacturers don't use standard usb gamepad built in (as long as they use at least ICS).

It looks like we still have a standard keyboard hack with all the annoyances it can cause to the final user.

Still hoping JXD will make things right for the s7300 and "keep fingers cross" for the s5600.

To sum up :
- good screen : not necessary IPS or amoled but at least bright and colorfull.
- good capacitive technology (5 point) : reactive
- perfect controls : true dpad (1 piece), separate analog and buttons and NO overlapping at all.
- good battery life
- at least decent wifi
- built in bluetooth could be a plus.

It seems mandatory to get at least a device that matches or beats the xperia play (a device that is more than 3 years old now).
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 09:55:58 am
i can't download from your link. i'll looking for it on the web.

is there any other guy with this device that can test the same to confirm is not only my device the problem?
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: fosamax on December 11, 2012, 10:23:14 am
Here's a dropbox link :

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69681052/Controller%20Test%20Cassette%20%28Japan%29.zip (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69681052/Controller%20Test%20Cassette%20%28Japan%29.zip)
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Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 10:42:04 am
....
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Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 10:43:09 am
testing with the snes program.
note:

[L eft]           [R ight]

   U                  Y
L    R            X     B
   D                  A

[Select]        [Start]


All alone works ok

U+L = Ok
D+L = Ok
D+R = need to press many times to get Ok (only register Right). Note: when pressing both and the buttons are registered correctly, in less a second the Down key is released automatically.
U+R = Cannot get Ok pressing many times. Using Stick to pass this.

A+X = Only X
A+B = Ok
X+Y = Ok
Y+B = Ok
X+B = Ok
Y+A = Only Y


X+A+B = No reaction
A+B+Y = No reaction
B+Y+X = No reaction
Y+X+A = No reaction

B+Y+X + D-PAD = Appears to keep working, but curiosily, D-PAD Down+Right works well (register more times and keep pressed)

Other combination of 3 action buttons + D-PAD, have issues.

pressing A+B+X+Y = no reaction

pressing A+B+X+Y + D-PAD = only works  UP and Down

Testing with L1 + R1 triggers i have the same issues (apparently, tirggers don?t make any difference)

Testing with L2 + R2, triggers, apparently L2 generate issues on D-PAD when pressed (some buttons don?t register press).

for now, i need somebody that can confirm have issues too with D-PAD to get clear about is a specific problem of my device or a generic problem.

note: the behavior of the buttons when pressed make me to think this is a software problem. if hardware problem, then D-PAD Down + Right never will pass on this test, but there are sometimes when button press can register correctly.
the combination B+Y+X + D-PAD Down+Right may confirm the above, because if i press B+Y+X and then press Down + Right, if the progran don?t register the pressed buttons inmediately, if i wait for some time (half second) the buttons will be registered correctly as pressed (is the opposite as when i press down+right without B+Y+X, that will unpress after a moment)
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Post by: fosamax on December 11, 2012, 10:47:22 am
Thanks for the in deep testing Deen0x !
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Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 12:38:06 pm
is there any other guy with this device that can test the same to confirm is not only my device the problem?

anybody is working on rooting this?
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Post by: fosamax on December 11, 2012, 01:57:01 pm
@ Deen0x :

Did you try also to map buttons and or D-pad by using the Archos on screen mapping tool (if that helps ?)
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Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 02:12:19 pm
yes, i tried, but this is another way of usage.

mapping hardware buttons to virtual buttons always will be most limited, because the limit of 5 touchs at the same time that the driver of the screen can handle
then, you are limited to: (example)

- diagonal up+left + one trigger (Left) + two buttons (A+X).

- you cannot do diagonal (any) + 4 buttons (A + B + X + Y) + Any other trigger/button, because you're pressing 6 points...

think on any combination with more than 5 press buttons... and you cannot do this.

in another hand, i tested virtual screen mapping with FPSe and similar, and the issue is present too. this mean that the problem start from the buttons selfs. if the button cannot send information about down + right pressed at the same time, then the virtualizator cannot show down + right pressed virtual buttons.

I insist, i belive that this issue can be solved via software, but we need that Archos people get on this and work in a new firmware.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: xphyle on December 11, 2012, 02:57:13 pm
Deen,

Archos has responded officially via their Facebook page to your videos.  They say it is an EMULATOR fault and not the fault of the hardware...

Responding to your Youtube videos...

"what the guy is showing in the video is a problem with input recognition of the app that he is using, not the hardware of the GamePad. The best way to check the validity and multiplicity of the hardware input is with the Android API viewer app. I'm trying to check if the one that Google give to manufacturers is available on Google Play."
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 03:04:09 pm
i'll respond to the page later, now i'm my office.

i tested another emulators (SNES in fact, to show my results) and the problem is the same

i tested ePSXe, and the same

i don?t post all of these results, because i'm waiting for some guy that can confirm the same issues.

I'm testing Samurai's Revenge II, and i have the same problem. (i'm using direct D-PAD and emulated, both ways)
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 03:05:00 pm
can you give me the link where they are posting?

i'll be glad to help as i can to solve this issue.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 03:15:24 pm
I grab a quick video to show the same problem this time using Samurai II (Android Game)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UduA_2wezf8&feature=youtu.be

probably people that use Android Games, use the Analog Stick and there is no problem with this. the problem is with D-PAD.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: xphyle on December 11, 2012, 03:16:56 pm
https://www.facebook.com/Archosworldwide/posts/491218680909452?comment_id=5648363&notif_t=feed_comment_reply
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Post by: skelton on December 11, 2012, 03:51:39 pm
The reply of Archos is a LOL. They show that they don't have any idea and they blame all emu and apps creators. amazing. Would be nice to show them that a simple 60 dollars device like JXD s602 has no combo issue at all, a MUST they should have done with their machine.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: fosamax on December 11, 2012, 03:54:05 pm
Here's some explanations from Archos Worldwide :

"yes, we've been checking the hardware with the api tools stated above (which I'm afraid aren't available for the public as it's part of the certified manufacturer kit, sorry). correctly coded apps allow for button overlaps."

So guy we have to face the truth : our beloved emulators are coded with feets by drunk monkey and we have have to deal with that.
It's just a shame that the latest JXD s602 (that is surprizingly 100 $ cheaper than the Gamepad) is able to handle those uncorrectly coded apps, allowing every kind of button overlap. Just my thought anyway.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: fosamax on December 11, 2012, 03:54:42 pm
Lol, Skelton was a bit faster than me.
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 11, 2012, 07:51:12 pm
based on some testing that Jonny doing within Archos help, they conclude that this issue is not hardware related.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35316247&postcount=42

there is a hope...
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: ruffnutts on December 11, 2012, 08:17:20 pm
That's good to know.. why we got to threads on this device now.. I might still buy one if there's hope 8)
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: Deen0X on December 12, 2012, 08:49:10 am
fyi.

i'm talking with Jonny, a guy that is working around the issue of buttons with Archos.
I posted my impressions about this issue.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35339983&postcount=47

autoquote my message:
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I worked hard around this issue last night, testing all things i think.

my impressions.
- The problem is not about hardware testing. You said that is hard to get two controls to be connected at the same time, because there is a hardware issue that may be solved with a continuous usage of the device (talking in short words)

When i touch the Down button, i don?t need to press heavely to get a good command. in fact, the touch is soft and works well.
The same for Right command. The command respond quickly and there is no problems

if these two buttons are part of the same piece (a proper DPAD), i understand that may be a reasonable/potential issue that the triggers may be displaced from the original position, and get hard to press both commands at the same time.

but the D-PAD of the Gamepad is not a proper D-PAD. This is a 4 separated buttons, then when i press one of these buttons, this is no reason to thing that is hard to press another button, because there is nothing connected/related between these buttons to think there is a displacement of the triggers/connectors.

anyway, i pressed heavely these buttons (down + right) and i have the same issue/behavior than pressing softly. For the reason avobe, i discard that is a proper hardware problem.

- Commands sometime works

This is the most weird question, and the reason because i think the problem is software related. as i show on my first video, when i press some button (i.e. Right Trigger), the D-PAD works always the first time i pressed, but next time is not working unitl i release the previous button (Right Trigger)

when pressing Right + Down, sometimes i get a correct input and i can get them working for a little moment (half second, one second, etc), after this the down button doesn?t work again, until i release the Right button.

note: i tested all this with a proper usb joystick, and i confirm that all the programs i'm using to test this works well, reacting correctly to inputs of the joystick. (in this case, i use a generic PS2 joystic with a USB adaptor). with this, i discard that is a emulator/game problem.

with the info avobe, i conclude that if this is a hardware problem, the commands never worked. I tested many other android gaming devices (the major part of the important devices i have, and i working testing these gadgets every day) and the hardware issues works always in the same way. If you cannot press up+left (i.e.) on some device, this command will never get to work, because is a hardware problem and cannot be solved.
In the case of Archos Gamepad, sometimes the commands works. only for this reason i suppose this is a software related problem (may be the driver of the controller included on the device)

- Archos mapping tool have the same issue. Archos first answer was that the emulators/programs i'm using have bad coded the input control.
i installed a multitouch tester and mapped dpad on screen.
then i pressed the diagonals on dpad. down-right and up-right works sometimes(sometimes get both pressed, sometime get both and then down is released, etc. the same as i said before on other testings) or simply don?t works (only pressing right)
I'm using the archos mapping tool because i suppose this software is correctly coded (based on the answer of archos), but the software show the same issue.
With this test i conclude definely is not a problem with emulators/games, and comfirm (in my own point of view) that the problem is software based (probably the driver?)

are you talking with Archos guys? please tell these testing i'm doing. Surelly they realize on what is happening, and if i right (is software related), i suggest to Archos to post on his facebook about this, confirming is software related and may be solved with a patch or firmware update. (i really want to get this device working properly)

I don?t want to post more vids where show the issue, but if you need to see something on my testing, let me know and i make a video for you (or Archos)

feel free to contact to me if you need any info/help with testing.


greetings!
Title: Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
Post by: indask8 on December 12, 2012, 12:13:25 pm
Back after some testing yesterday, here is some extra "not so great" things I've noticed:

-As stated above by many, there are several button mapping problems, I couldn't get mario to run and jump most of the time in SMB1 (nesoid) Dpad mapped as dpad, A as A,  B as B.
Also in mupen64plus AE, while the two analog sticks are recognized as analog and works (moving the sticks in the input menu show the current axis correctly) when I try to map them nothing happens or only one axis is detected...

Extra:
-Wifi sometimes takes a while to wake up out of sleep mode, not everytime, scan interval too big?
-Some flickering on the android UI (when you have a lot of notification for example, the list flickers on the bottom).
-If you have a microSD inserted and the device is on sleep it wakes up randomly every hour doing the "SD has been removed" then immediately "sd card inserted" notification+sound, annoying if you were sleeping.

On the plus side, I have no complain about the screen/touchscreen, it's really great if you use it as a tablet, but the gamepad part definitively need some update from archos to become a "must".