Author Topic: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!  (Read 15635 times)

Deen0X

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2012, 10:43:09 am »
testing with the snes program.
note:

[L eft]           [R ight]

   U                  Y
L    R            X     B
   D                  A

[Select]        [Start]


All alone works ok

U+L = Ok
D+L = Ok
D+R = need to press many times to get Ok (only register Right). Note: when pressing both and the buttons are registered correctly, in less a second the Down key is released automatically.
U+R = Cannot get Ok pressing many times. Using Stick to pass this.

A+X = Only X
A+B = Ok
X+Y = Ok
Y+B = Ok
X+B = Ok
Y+A = Only Y


X+A+B = No reaction
A+B+Y = No reaction
B+Y+X = No reaction
Y+X+A = No reaction

B+Y+X + D-PAD = Appears to keep working, but curiosily, D-PAD Down+Right works well (register more times and keep pressed)

Other combination of 3 action buttons + D-PAD, have issues.

pressing A+B+X+Y = no reaction

pressing A+B+X+Y + D-PAD = only works  UP and Down

Testing with L1 + R1 triggers i have the same issues (apparently, tirggers don?t make any difference)

Testing with L2 + R2, triggers, apparently L2 generate issues on D-PAD when pressed (some buttons don?t register press).

for now, i need somebody that can confirm have issues too with D-PAD to get clear about is a specific problem of my device or a generic problem.

note: the behavior of the buttons when pressed make me to think this is a software problem. if hardware problem, then D-PAD Down + Right never will pass on this test, but there are sometimes when button press can register correctly.
the combination B+Y+X + D-PAD Down+Right may confirm the above, because if i press B+Y+X and then press Down + Right, if the progran don?t register the pressed buttons inmediately, if i wait for some time (half second) the buttons will be registered correctly as pressed (is the opposite as when i press down+right without B+Y+X, that will unpress after a moment)

fosamax

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2012, 10:47:22 am »
Thanks for the in deep testing Deen0x !

Deen0X

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2012, 12:38:06 pm »
is there any other guy with this device that can test the same to confirm is not only my device the problem?

anybody is working on rooting this?

fosamax

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2012, 01:57:01 pm »
@ Deen0x :

Did you try also to map buttons and or D-pad by using the Archos on screen mapping tool (if that helps ?)

Deen0X

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2012, 02:12:19 pm »
yes, i tried, but this is another way of usage.

mapping hardware buttons to virtual buttons always will be most limited, because the limit of 5 touchs at the same time that the driver of the screen can handle
then, you are limited to: (example)

- diagonal up+left + one trigger (Left) + two buttons (A+X).

- you cannot do diagonal (any) + 4 buttons (A + B + X + Y) + Any other trigger/button, because you're pressing 6 points...

think on any combination with more than 5 press buttons... and you cannot do this.

in another hand, i tested virtual screen mapping with FPSe and similar, and the issue is present too. this mean that the problem start from the buttons selfs. if the button cannot send information about down + right pressed at the same time, then the virtualizator cannot show down + right pressed virtual buttons.

I insist, i belive that this issue can be solved via software, but we need that Archos people get on this and work in a new firmware.

xphyle (OP)

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2012, 02:57:13 pm »
Deen,

Archos has responded officially via their Facebook page to your videos.  They say it is an EMULATOR fault and not the fault of the hardware...

Responding to your Youtube videos...

"what the guy is showing in the video is a problem with input recognition of the app that he is using, not the hardware of the GamePad. The best way to check the validity and multiplicity of the hardware input is with the Android API viewer app. I'm trying to check if the one that Google give to manufacturers is available on Google Play."

Deen0X

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2012, 03:04:09 pm »
i'll respond to the page later, now i'm my office.

i tested another emulators (SNES in fact, to show my results) and the problem is the same

i tested ePSXe, and the same

i don?t post all of these results, because i'm waiting for some guy that can confirm the same issues.

I'm testing Samurai's Revenge II, and i have the same problem. (i'm using direct D-PAD and emulated, both ways)

Deen0X

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2012, 03:05:00 pm »
can you give me the link where they are posting?

i'll be glad to help as i can to solve this issue.

Deen0X

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2012, 03:15:24 pm »
I grab a quick video to show the same problem this time using Samurai II (Android Game)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UduA_2wezf8&feature=youtu.be

probably people that use Android Games, use the Analog Stick and there is no problem with this. the problem is with D-PAD.


skelton

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2012, 03:51:39 pm »
The reply of Archos is a LOL. They show that they don't have any idea and they blame all emu and apps creators. amazing. Would be nice to show them that a simple 60 dollars device like JXD s602 has no combo issue at all, a MUST they should have done with their machine.
Retired

fosamax

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2012, 03:54:05 pm »
Here's some explanations from Archos Worldwide :

"yes, we've been checking the hardware with the api tools stated above (which I'm afraid aren't available for the public as it's part of the certified manufacturer kit, sorry). correctly coded apps allow for button overlaps."

So guy we have to face the truth : our beloved emulators are coded with feets by drunk monkey and we have have to deal with that.
It's just a shame that the latest JXD s602 (that is surprizingly 100 $ cheaper than the Gamepad) is able to handle those uncorrectly coded apps, allowing every kind of button overlap. Just my thought anyway.

fosamax

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2012, 03:54:42 pm »
Lol, Skelton was a bit faster than me.

Deen0X

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2012, 07:51:12 pm »
based on some testing that Jonny doing within Archos help, they conclude that this issue is not hardware related.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35316247&postcount=42

there is a hope...

ruffnutts

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2012, 08:17:20 pm »
That's good to know.. why we got to threads on this device now.. I might still buy one if there's hope 8)

Deen0X

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« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2012, 08:49:10 am »
fyi.

i'm talking with Jonny, a guy that is working around the issue of buttons with Archos.
I posted my impressions about this issue.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35339983&postcount=47

autoquote my message:
Quote
I worked hard around this issue last night, testing all things i think.

my impressions.
- The problem is not about hardware testing. You said that is hard to get two controls to be connected at the same time, because there is a hardware issue that may be solved with a continuous usage of the device (talking in short words)

When i touch the Down button, i don?t need to press heavely to get a good command. in fact, the touch is soft and works well.
The same for Right command. The command respond quickly and there is no problems

if these two buttons are part of the same piece (a proper DPAD), i understand that may be a reasonable/potential issue that the triggers may be displaced from the original position, and get hard to press both commands at the same time.

but the D-PAD of the Gamepad is not a proper D-PAD. This is a 4 separated buttons, then when i press one of these buttons, this is no reason to thing that is hard to press another button, because there is nothing connected/related between these buttons to think there is a displacement of the triggers/connectors.

anyway, i pressed heavely these buttons (down + right) and i have the same issue/behavior than pressing softly. For the reason avobe, i discard that is a proper hardware problem.

- Commands sometime works

This is the most weird question, and the reason because i think the problem is software related. as i show on my first video, when i press some button (i.e. Right Trigger), the D-PAD works always the first time i pressed, but next time is not working unitl i release the previous button (Right Trigger)

when pressing Right + Down, sometimes i get a correct input and i can get them working for a little moment (half second, one second, etc), after this the down button doesn?t work again, until i release the Right button.

note: i tested all this with a proper usb joystick, and i confirm that all the programs i'm using to test this works well, reacting correctly to inputs of the joystick. (in this case, i use a generic PS2 joystic with a USB adaptor). with this, i discard that is a emulator/game problem.

with the info avobe, i conclude that if this is a hardware problem, the commands never worked. I tested many other android gaming devices (the major part of the important devices i have, and i working testing these gadgets every day) and the hardware issues works always in the same way. If you cannot press up+left (i.e.) on some device, this command will never get to work, because is a hardware problem and cannot be solved.
In the case of Archos Gamepad, sometimes the commands works. only for this reason i suppose this is a software related problem (may be the driver of the controller included on the device)

- Archos mapping tool have the same issue. Archos first answer was that the emulators/programs i'm using have bad coded the input control.
i installed a multitouch tester and mapped dpad on screen.
then i pressed the diagonals on dpad. down-right and up-right works sometimes(sometimes get both pressed, sometime get both and then down is released, etc. the same as i said before on other testings) or simply don?t works (only pressing right)
I'm using the archos mapping tool because i suppose this software is correctly coded (based on the answer of archos), but the software show the same issue.
With this test i conclude definely is not a problem with emulators/games, and comfirm (in my own point of view) that the problem is software based (probably the driver?)

are you talking with Archos guys? please tell these testing i'm doing. Surelly they realize on what is happening, and if i right (is software related), i suggest to Archos to post on his facebook about this, confirming is software related and may be solved with a patch or firmware update. (i really want to get this device working properly)

I don?t want to post more vids where show the issue, but if you need to see something on my testing, let me know and i make a video for you (or Archos)

feel free to contact to me if you need any info/help with testing.


greetings!

indask8

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Re: GAMEPAD IS OUT! GET YOURS NOW!!
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2012, 12:13:25 pm »
Back after some testing yesterday, here is some extra "not so great" things I've noticed:

-As stated above by many, there are several button mapping problems, I couldn't get mario to run and jump most of the time in SMB1 (nesoid) Dpad mapped as dpad, A as A,  B as B.
Also in mupen64plus AE, while the two analog sticks are recognized as analog and works (moving the sticks in the input menu show the current axis correctly) when I try to map them nothing happens or only one axis is detected...

Extra:
-Wifi sometimes takes a while to wake up out of sleep mode, not everytime, scan interval too big?
-Some flickering on the android UI (when you have a lot of notification for example, the list flickers on the bottom).
-If you have a microSD inserted and the device is on sleep it wakes up randomly every hour doing the "SD has been removed" then immediately "sd card inserted" notification+sound, annoying if you were sleeping.

On the plus side, I have no complain about the screen/touchscreen, it's really great if you use it as a tablet, but the gamepad part definitively need some update from archos to become a "must".

 

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