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Title: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Mountainmohawk on August 28, 2015, 02:36:00 pm
So the w3d releases September 29. I'm pretty excited for it, but I don't know if I'd use it as a phone unless it gets Android M.

Is anybody else excited for this device?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: nielo360 on August 28, 2015, 04:22:02 pm
So the w3d releases September 29. I'm pretty excited for it, but I don't know if I'd use it as a phone unless it gets Android M.

Is anybody else excited for this device?

I was going to order it, but given past experience mediatek is a very poorly implemented low cost soc, Bluetooth is not supported by many radios, no root, no android M update support (snail is unlikely to do this), Game controller driver is not HID (huge issue here, take w1 for example, many games will simply shut off touch screen controls and mapping wont work either, real racing etc) Terrible mapper( conflicts with many apps) No custom firmware(snail does not release sources) weak raido's(this is a guarantee) advertised to run at 2ghz( heat will be a major issue ) no l3 R3 (fixable with tincore), mediatek may not support gamestream or will have a large delay with its video encoding.

That being said I may order it just out of curiosity but the poor quality dpad, analog nubs(not sticks) ..there are simply too many negatives. Mainstream media rarely understands how to properly check controls, screen refresh rate etc..hence most outlets will say:
2ghz, has nice buttons ..a bit long but nice device for gamers(take that for what its worth)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Mountainmohawk on August 28, 2015, 07:52:05 pm
Oh man, that stinks. How would the mediatek compare to like a rockchip in the XD?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Skelton-retired on August 28, 2015, 08:20:14 pm
Oh man, that stinks. How would the mediatek compare to like a rockchip in the XD?

The MTK6595 is slightly better, but if w3d is fullHD (it is?) they will perform pretty much the same. In practical terms, you will play the same games or emus in both. I think Snail should have included the MTK6752, which performs pretty much the same as the MTK6595 but at half the price more or less.

Also, I agree with nielo360 that Snail must improve their firmware support, because they haven't released a device yet with a 60 hz screen refresh rate, essential for accurate emulation. Or just something like a standard HID controller.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Girl on August 29, 2015, 03:43:55 am
Is anybody else excited for this device?

no since it's ultra expensive

i would want it if the price wasn't 400 dollars, that is Way too much =^| i could find a samsung note 4 on ebay for less than that price

if the dpad is sensitive it might be good for fighting games but , for that much money i don't care what it's good at lol
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on August 29, 2015, 04:25:46 am
Actually, I am rather excited about it. Been waiting for it since release. I don't expect it to be the perfect phone, but other phones aren't that perfect to me. Plain and simple, W3D has game controls and a decent working phone. Other phones are awesome, but no game controls built in.

I have the Snail W1, and without game controls, it's a decent phone, it works, and works fast honestly. I had 5 games running in the background with no slowdown as I switched between them.

Honestly, I'm not looking for perfection, I'm looking for a decent gaming phone. I agree with Nielo360, whereas mainstream users will be frustrated trying to use the phone fully. I am currently experiencing an issue with Implosion, whereas the on screen controls are disabled, and the face buttons don't work on the game. While I am trying to find a way around that, once again, others won't, and that may completely kill the phone. I wish they would have incorporated a simplified Tincore into their system.

In the end, regardless of the shortcomings, I am extremely enjoying the W1 and can't wait to get the W3D.

Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: fofo33 on August 29, 2015, 05:59:36 pm
Is anybody else excited for this device?

no since it's ultra expensive

i would want it if the price wasn't 400 dollars, that is Way too much =^| i could find a samsung note 4 on ebay for less than that price

if the dpad is sensitive it might be good for fighting games but , for that much money i don't care what it's good at lol


I'm with you. I might buy it for 150 USD, not for 400 USD. I have a JXD 7800 and a Meizu MX4, the Snail doesn't give nothing new and interesting to me. I'm waiting for the new generation android consoles, something that can emulates the Game Cube, Play 2 and Wii games. I may pay 400USD for something with these features, not for this shitty Snail brick.  ;D


Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on August 29, 2015, 06:40:12 pm
My answer is...Yes, if it actually does end up being released on the 29th of September.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on August 31, 2015, 02:35:53 pm
Yep, im excited, people can shit on this for the price, mediatek etc but guess what naysayers? no one else has bothered to make a somewhat highend gaming phone since the xperia play. no one else has bothered to get interest from places like XDA, E3, MWC etc

and for the guys wanting to pay something like $150, i would assume you wont complain about poor build quality, lack luster specs, zero advertising (this is actually important to die hard fans of gaming phones because if it sells poorly, neither snail or anyone else is likely to try again)

that being said, i dont like paying a lot for phones but i am a firm believer in you get what you pay for and people who have had hands on time with the device gave positive feedback so im optimistic
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Girl on September 01, 2015, 01:25:31 pm
I might buy it for 150 USD, not for 400 USD. I may pay 400USD for something with these features, not for this shitty Snail brick.  ;D
lol mean

if it sells poorly, neither snail or anyone else is likely to try again

so what? snail doesn't have to try again , the great thing about android is there's so much different phones that can play emulators and games

there's always going to be these kinds of handhelds in 1 way or another because of android phones, there's so much controller options that strap to the phone which turns any of them into a gaming handheld

you can't say "not with these specs" either because samsung keeps coming out with faster and faster phones , then their older/still fast phones go down in price yay =^)

if someone spent less money than the w3D for some random phone and controller add-on , they get to have lots of advantages over the people that buy handhelds with the controller permanently attached

1) if the controller has something break on it - you can replace it instead of losing the whole handheld
2) bunches of battery options, if the phone is common then the battery prices won't be bad and you could find them easier
3) if the phone's screen breaks you could take the controller off and put it on the replacement
4) you aren't married to the dpad if you don't like the feel of it, just attach a different type of controller

there's probably more to list but i am multitasking lots , anyways i understand your worry on the subject at least =^p
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: jamesensor on September 01, 2015, 04:24:51 pm
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Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 01, 2015, 04:28:32 pm
lmfao :d
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am
I might buy it for 150 USD, not for 400 USD. I may pay 400USD for something with these features, not for this shitty Snail brick.  ;D
lol mean

if it sells poorly, neither snail or anyone else is likely to try again

so what? snail doesn't have to try again , the great thing about android is there's so much different phones that can play emulators and games

there's always going to be these kinds of handhelds in 1 way or another because of android phones, there's so much controller options that strap to the phone which turns any of them into a gaming handheld

you can't say "not with these specs" either because samsung keeps coming out with faster and faster phones , then their older/still fast phones go down in price yay =^)

if someone spent less money than the w3D for some random phone and controller add-on , they get to have lots of advantages over the people that buy handhelds with the controller permanently attached

1) if the controller has something break on it - you can replace it instead of losing the whole handheld
2) bunches of battery options, if the phone is common then the battery prices won't be bad and you could find them easier
3) if the phone's screen breaks you could take the controller off and put it on the replacement
4) you aren't married to the dpad if you don't like the feel of it, just attach a different type of controller

there's probably more to list but i am multitasking lots , anyways i understand your worry on the subject at least =^p

Seriously....if that is your thinking why are you even here? i would have thought guys and girls in this thread are here because they want a good GAMING PHONE, if a control and mount is all you require great, others like my self want a good all in one package.

And no, there isn't always going to be these kind of handhelds, there is only the xperia play and a handful of China GAMING PHONES, i have to stress gaming phone again because if i wanted something like a JXD S7800B they already exist so i wouldn't be here.

heres a few reasons why a actual gamer would want this phone over the concoction you described

1. one device that does it all in one unibody form factor
2. never have to remember to bring your gamepad and your phone
3. never have to charge both the phone and gamepad
4. one less thing to take with you outside
5. can fit in your pocket for quick access versus a phone + gamepad
6. no bluetooth issues including connectivity or battery drain

there are probably more a true gaming phone fan can think of  :)

Lastly, im not worried about anything, at the very least, the device i have wanted for ages has finally arrived, no more cheaply made build quality, no 4g, no 1080p screen, we are finally getting something that isn't 2-3 years out of date before launch
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: on September 02, 2015, 04:00:50 am
And yet, the w3d (by specs) is redundant, and therefore too expensive for gaming.
If you turn on the 3D, you get 540p resolution. That isn't HD, that's not even close - that's why modern phones boast QHD, so they can work properly with VR headsets (I don't believe DPI difference is noticeable at normal usage, even between 1080p and 720p). Further more, there aren't even that many apps on Android that support that implementation of stereoscopic 3D, so it's not even clear if Snail will have anything proprietary or adapt from Google Cardboard.

Honestly, I was excited about the Much W when it was announced, more than a year ago. But a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, and it just seems slightly outdated and overpriced - and the media blackout isn't doing it any good.
Seriously, I bought my phone a year ago. It's comparable to the Much W in terms of screen and screen size and SoC, and it only lacks the controls. It cost me $140 a year ago, and they're now planning to sell the Much W and W3D at more than twice that price, and that's insane. Snail should really rethink their business model.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Girl on September 02, 2015, 09:37:59 am
before i reply to this umm just so you know i have SO much regular handhelds from two years ago like A380 and Caanoo and GP2X and PSP, and i regret ALL of them since now i realized that any phone with android can just attach a controller add-on and be a gaming handheld

so it's not like i never loved the idea of having the controls built in , i just don't think it's a good idea anymore since i'm pretty good at fighting games and don't want to have the dpad chosen for me ! i don't want some uncommon battery forced on me either psh

Seriously....if that is your thinking why are you even here?
because the post was asking "is anyone else excited" and shows a vote =^) i didn't know it meant "only yes votes are allowed"

2. never have to remember to bring your gamepad and your phone
if you have it attached to the phone you don't have to remember them separate , they sell these attachment controllers i swear ?? look on youtube !

5. can fit in your pocket for quick access versus a phone + gamepad
i'm talking about the controllers that attach to the phone as one piece , why can't that fit in a pocket any less than the w3D ?

Lastly, im not worried about anything
oh ok, because your post said you were concerned about the w3D selling poorly and how it meant "the end of gaming phones" i took that as you being worried =^p

the device i have wanted for ages has finally arrived
same here, except mine is " any device made from a good company with android on it " since i'll get to choose the dpad instead of them forcing me to use one that isn't good

i'll get to choose the battery i'll get to choose the cute buttons , i'll get to choose like So much things

no more cheaply made build quality
LOL says who ? =^) look how everyone thought the GPD XD would be such great build quality and it wasn't

getting something that isn't 2-3 years out of date before launch
ooh! that one is good for adding to my list of "advantages android phone w/controller people have" thanks! lol
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 10:16:04 am
And yet, the w3d (by specs) is redundant, and therefore too expensive for gaming.
If you turn on the 3D, you get 540p resolution. That isn't HD, that's not even close - that's why modern phones boast QHD, so they can work properly with VR headsets (I don't believe DPI difference is noticeable at normal usage, even between 1080p and 720p). Further more, there aren't even that many apps on Android that support that implementation of stereoscopic 3D, so it's not even clear if Snail will have anything proprietary or adapt from Google Cardboard.

Honestly, I was excited about the Much W when it was announced, more than a year ago. But a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, and it just seems slightly outdated and overpriced - and the media blackout isn't doing it any good.
Seriously, I bought my phone a year ago. It's comparable to the Much W in terms of screen and screen size and SoC, and it only lacks the controls. It cost me $140 a year ago, and they're now planning to sell the Much W and W3D at more than twice that price, and that's insane. Snail should really rethink their business model.

i would have never used the 3D feature, just being honest, and i want the screen to be HD for general phone purposes as i doubt android games and emulators would benefit at all.

you guys have to admit the w3D is somewhat highend in comparison to what already exists (the much w1 is the highest end gaming phone currently available, would i prefer the snail w? sure, but snail are pushing the w3d now with no launch date for the w1, is it expensive? yes, especially in comparison to what exists but according to my findings it will be justified in some areas


Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 11:01:28 am
before i reply to this umm just so you know i have SO much regular handhelds from two years ago like A380 and Caanoo and GP2X and PSP, and i regret ALL of them since now i realized that any phone with android can just attach a controller add-on and be a gaming handheld

so it's not like i never loved the idea of having the controls built in , i just don't think it's a good idea anymore since i'm pretty good at fighting games and don't want to have the dpad chosen for me ! i don't want some uncommon battery forced on me either psh

Seriously....if that is your thinking why are you even here?
because the post was asking "is anyone else excited" and shows a vote =^) i didn't know it meant "only yes votes are allowed"

2. never have to remember to bring your gamepad and your phone
if you have it attached to the phone you don't have to remember them separate , they sell these attachment controllers i swear ?? look on youtube !

5. can fit in your pocket for quick access versus a phone + gamepad
i'm talking about the controllers that attach to the phone as one piece , why can't that fit in a pocket any less than the w3D ?

Lastly, im not worried about anything
oh ok, because your post said you were concerned about the w3D selling poorly and how it meant "the end of gaming phones" i took that as you being worried =^p

the device i have wanted for ages has finally arrived
same here, except mine is " any device made from a good company with android on it " since i'll get to choose the dpad instead of them forcing me to use one that isn't good

i'll get to choose the battery i'll get to choose the cute buttons , i'll get to choose like So much things

no more cheaply made build quality
LOL says who ? =^) look how everyone thought the GPD XD would be such great build quality and it wasn't

getting something that isn't 2-3 years out of date before launch
ooh! that one is good for adding to my list of "advantages android phone w/controller people have" thanks! lol

Ok....I wont address all your points because you clearly are happy with a phone and gamepad which is fine, im not trying to perusuade you that one is better then the other, it all comes down to user preference.

anyway, your points, D pad and battery? the D pad is just user preference, personally i use the nubs for fighting games now as the D pad hurts my thumb after a while. this phone has a 4000 mah battery, i would have a second one plus a power bank so not concerned there.

are you always going to have your phone attached to your gamepad? i dont think so, so yes, remembering to bring it with you is a concern.

even a somewhat slim gamepad will add bulk to your pocket, might fit, might not, if it does i doubt it will be comfortable.

in terms of build quality im going by the hands on time people have mentioned on youtube and articles, check the XDA one if you want

again, if it sells decently, other manufacturers might be willing to take a risk and produce something similar, maybe something better, if it bombs we will probably be stuck with getting 1 or 2 cheap ($150) gaming phones a year, some might be okay with that but you really cant complain about much with that price. the w3d will do me fine for 1 to 3 years if i had no viable options.

i already have a gampad + phone setup and its not for me.

i still dont get why you are here though, sure a question was asked and you answered but everyone else here seems to at least want a all in one gaming phone while you dont, arguing specs and price is one thing, arguing for a complete alternative is something else

its almost like walking into a fish and chips shop (i am british) with a box of chicken and chips just to argue that chicken and chips is better, it comes down to buyer preference but why walk into a place and argue such a thing? presumably people in the shop want the fish :)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: on September 02, 2015, 11:37:43 am
The difference between us is that you're willing to pay a lot more just to have the controls on your device, while we can play with a controller. But the Much devices pretty much negate every positive that they might have.

+They have 3D! -Not up to par in terms of resolution.
+It's an all-in-one device! -The device is outdated.
+It's a Chinese phone! -That costs as much as a western phone.

I can see why you are excited, it has a lot of pros to it - but truth be told, it's just a mess. For every thing it does right it does something wrong, and I know it even before it's released. Paying $300 for something like that is beyond ridiculous.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:22:24 pm
i respect your point of view but you are assuming a lot, it being an all in one device has nothing to do with it being out dated specs wise. thats just what you have to accept with china phones

this ideology that chinese = cheap and chinese must be cheap before im interested, means we will never get high end gear just more jdx crap.

no one cares about 3d so not really a con because it can and will be turned off

im willing to bet this will be significantly better then the much w1 but i understand why some dont share that opinion

maybe some of you are content on $150 chinese devices that you dont expect much from or buying a $40 controller is good enough but like i said, im willing to give this a shot, when the previews and reviews roll up we will see if my optimism was warranted

if all i wanted was gaming controls on the phone i would buy a much w1 (again) and be content with 720p screen, poor build, poor support, poor camera, no 4g etc, im taking a gamble but i think the w3d will alleviate these problems and yup, im willing to pay for this, the $150 devices i have purchased have either fallen apart, have buggy firmware or have no support

and i am done commenting about this, we are just going around in circles anyway
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: fofo33 on September 02, 2015, 05:19:53 pm
Solve all the problems related with the Snail W3d is absolutely easy --> put the device in his correct range of price --> 140-160 USD. Why the enterprise doesn't listen their consumers? TOO EXPENSIVE, LISTEN ME: TOO EXPENSIVE.

Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Girl on September 02, 2015, 07:07:42 pm
even a somewhat slim gamepad will add bulk to your pocket, might fit, might not, if it does i doubt it will be comfortable.

the w3D or any handheld wouldn't be comfortable in the clothes i wear , but anyways

its almost like walking into a fish and chips shop (i am british) with a box of chicken and chips just to argue that chicken and chips is better

lol i know i know! and i'm sorry for the misunderstanding but , when i first posted - it was just to give an example of what i would do for less money than the w3D costs , then after that i replied to you just saying how it wouldn't be the end of the world if W3D didn't sell well , since there's so much hope for other choices

i didn't start saying which one i felt was better until you argued something about "true gamers want it this way instead"
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 02, 2015, 07:44:31 pm
I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but here in the U.S., I don't think another company will touch a gaming phone, much less one with the features that are up to par with current phones, and gaming, and a decent price. It would take too much effort and money for development, plus to mention that the market is niche, since most are content with playing on the touch screen, or with attachables.

Since the N-Gage, and Xperia Play were both considered flops here, and now the W3D is limited releasing here in the muddy waters of being underpowered, and by most people standing, overpriced.

Like Silvacrest, I too hope it succeeds, otherwise, it may be a while, if ever again soon, that a company tries the gaming phone again. Not to mention Sony holding on to that slideout patent, completely guming up the chance of a Bladepad release, or razer junglecat, or Xperia Play sequel (probably by another company using the form factor)

The W3D is not perfect for everyone, but for me, and others, that need an all in one device, regardless of the shortcomings, it's really all we have. There are no alternatives, except to go lower in specs. The W3D is the highest end gaming phone out to date. The price is probably to negate the fact that they won't sell like Samsung Galaxies, and iPhone, so they have to recoup their costs on the diehards that will buy it.

The price to me is fair, not spec wise, but in the fact that they did something. If Snail can resurrect the gaming phone name, and begin to make money with it, I can bet it all on black that other companies will take flight. Nvidia will probably be first in line with a Shield gaming phone!

The first iPhone didn't even have a camera, but with proper marketing, went on to become what it is now. Unfortunately, Snail aren't marketing geniuses, so I don't see that happening, lol! Plus, based on the votes, with the phones' own market hating it, things seem bleak. I know America, instead of 3D , they should have added Beats to it, with a Jordan symbol dunking an Apple symbol. Would have sold like a cure to the common cold, lol!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 08, 2015, 05:11:23 pm
even a somewhat slim gamepad will add bulk to your pocket, might fit, might not, if it does i doubt it will be comfortable.

the w3D or any handheld wouldn't be comfortable in the clothes i wear , but anyways

its almost like walking into a fish and chips shop (i am british) with a box of chicken and chips just to argue that chicken and chips is better

lol i know i know! and i'm sorry for the misunderstanding but , when i first posted - it was just to give an example of what i would do for less money than the w3D costs , then after that i replied to you just saying how it wouldn't be the end of the world if W3D didn't sell well , since there's so much hope for other choices

i didn't start saying which one i felt was better until you argued something about "true gamers want it this way instead"

i know i said i would be done commenting but im just to interested in this to stop i guess  :)

the W3D is massive so i guess neither would be comfortable in any pocket.

when i said "true gamers want it this way instead", i only meant gamers who are interested in phones with built in gamepads like the xperia play.

Solve all the problems related with the Snail W3d is absolutely easy --> put the device in his correct range of price --> 140-160 USD. Why the enterprise doesn't listen their consumers? TOO EXPENSIVE, LISTEN ME: TOO EXPENSIVE.

im not really sure what to say to this.....okay, i checked the price for the much w1, many places dont even sell it any more (even aliexpress) but even belchine sell it for $279 and that is the best game phone you can buy right now, my point is, lower your expectations or move on to a JXD, GPD etc

im less interested in the W3D it self but more interested in what it could mean, DroidX2 said it best, imagine if we had nvidia, sony etc give a game phone a proper try?  :)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: jamesensor on September 09, 2015, 08:13:06 pm
Belchine sells at that pice because of EU tax.  ::)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Mountainmohawk on September 16, 2015, 02:27:09 pm
Wow, quite the passion in here. With it releasing in about two weeks, I guess we'll find out how it really is. I'm probably going to take the plunge. With it being sold on Amazon, I should be able to return it easily if I don't like it.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: irwannasit on September 19, 2015, 03:57:43 am
I'm holding back a little. Until they update the rom to lollipop, make a generic control mapper that can play fifa 15 and modern combat effortlessly, come up with a silicon case (personal preference) with Bluetooth 4.0...nfc...
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 19, 2015, 04:38:20 am
. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LahVnvV7tYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-KcO54_Z8g
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 20, 2015, 04:09:28 am
What's weird is that it looks like the same mapper from the Much W1, which excludes the 8 way directional pad, and L2 and R2 buttons. While easily fixed using Tincore, this presents a problem for out-the-box users. Snail is definitely not showcasing this phone well.

I would like to see commercials of the usefulness of a gaming smartphone other than the obvious. How about waiting for a haircut, or a doctors appointment. switching from phone to game, or playing a fighting game with the touchscreen and losing, then mapping the controls and winning, just to name a few advertisements.

Buy a advertising spot in some of the more well played games on android, such as Clash of Clans, or Game of War. I like Rhonda Rousey and all, but it did nothing to show the phone, people are going to think Taichi Panda is on the Vita now.

While none of this changes my decision, since the phone is already paid for and I will have a blast with it, I feel like the potential is being wasted.

Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 21, 2015, 12:56:53 am
Well, this......This phone was already in boiling hot water, but this delay will kill interest quick.

http://www.amazon.com/Snail-Mobile-W3D-Gaming-Phone-Android/dp/B00YZ2T55K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1442792468&sr=8-1&keywords=w3d

There's nothing much more I can say about how this phone is being handled. I'm really just hoping it hurries and releases now before it becomes vaporware. I know a lot goes into production and there are delays, but this is how it was with the Bladepad, and that thing is still complying to Apple controller implementation.

I for one was really hyped and ready for the phone to release next week. While my original opinion still stands, in which I will still get the phone because I really want a gaming phone(with the controls built in), this delay so close to release, is TRULY a disappointment.

Snail or affiliates, if someone on these forums are connected in anyway, please let them know that there better be to the least, an update to Lollipop, or to the mapper to include all buttons and 8 way D-Pad. I know there are a slew of other things that can be done, but just to name a few.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 21, 2015, 02:38:48 pm
That's pretty terrible, and if that release date is true and not a place holder i agree, any hype this device would have had will be dead.

I'm not american so my only options to get this were aliexpress and european outlets that might get it, and i always thought they would get it after america/amazon so it looks like aliexpress is the only way to get it this year......damn snail have failed pretty hard, I believe this device was announced at the begin of the year and now it could come out right at the end.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 21, 2015, 02:48:40 pm
I thought they wanted to release this before Christmas, so people could buy it as a Christmas present?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Mountainmohawk on September 21, 2015, 03:03:23 pm
Dang that's really disappointing. Hopefully the delay is for the best.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 21, 2015, 03:13:31 pm
I really want one now :(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 21, 2015, 05:53:18 pm
So does Aliexpress actually have it in stock, or are they pre-ordering like Amazon? Looking on the site it seems like they have it in stock, but I always hear conflicting reports about them so I am uncertain.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 21, 2015, 07:30:15 pm
well, on the site it says they have 50 units in stock starting from 30th august so they should have stock but i have dealt with lies on aliexpress too.

personally im gonna go with them later this month
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 22, 2015, 06:03:58 am
Let's hope they didn't say that, banking on the 9/29 release date. Aliexpress from what I hear, has a reputation for a pretty long ship time. So, to get the early bird sales, they can easily say it's shipped and haven't shipped it yet in anticipation for the official shipment from Snail, then ship when that is received.

Or maybe I'm looking to far into it, lol! Been watching too much Sherlock! Either way, I'll do some digging and see what I find.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 22, 2015, 12:32:13 pm
I've purchased from aliexpress before, my advice is be prepared for a potential long wait, each seller is different, even down to how long it takes them to answer an email. dont buy the device from there if you have no patience (this is perhaps the biggest issue), aliexpress do have some kind of buyer protection which i have used when i wanted to cancel an order, i got my money back eventually but it was a long wait....surprise surprise.

some sellers do indeed lie about stock so get a dispatch date and tracking from the seller, also, some sellers give fake tracking details to get the buyer off their back for a little while so they have time to actually sort out delivery, you can tell its fake when the tracking has not updated for 2 or 3 days

always look out for rated sellers but in our case there is only one merchant selling the W3D but he has sold 18 units so far
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 22, 2015, 12:48:57 pm
If I could change my vote to yes, I would, because I'm super excited for this now :D
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 22, 2015, 04:17:41 pm
If I could change my vote to yes, I would, because I'm super excited for this now :D

If i may ask, why? what has changed your mind?  :)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 22, 2015, 11:37:59 pm
Watching all these awesome videos on YouTube. Also, my phone broke recently too :(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Girl on September 23, 2015, 07:58:06 am
i know i said i would be done commenting but im just to interested in this to stop i guess  :)

mhmm i figured you would still talk about it =^)

im less interested in the W3D it self but more interested in what it could mean, DroidX2 said it best, imagine if we had nvidia, sony etc give a game phone a proper try?  :)

i understand, that would be very nifty

i'm sorry if i took it out on you but after seeing the GPD section of this forum where people's dpads are breaking and then seeing the price of the W3D, it made me upset and it's why i brought up how for the same price someone could get a nice android phone and just have an add-on controller that can be replaced easier than the built on kind

and? also because i am not a "true handheld-phone gamer" , my interest in gaming phones are because i'm Forced to get that kind if i want a removable/replaceable battery , i really just want something that let's you change the battery just in case it ever dies forever

it's why i made this a long time ago http://boards.dingoonity.org/other-game-systems/which-handhelds-have-accessible-batteries/

but i do hope lots of gaming phones come out just because i alllllways like more choices
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 23, 2015, 02:02:37 pm
i know i said i would be done commenting but im just to interested in this to stop i guess  :)

mhmm i figured you would still talk about it =^)

im less interested in the W3D it self but more interested in what it could mean, DroidX2 said it best, imagine if we had nvidia, sony etc give a game phone a proper try?  :)

i understand, that would be very nifty

i'm sorry if i took it out on you but after seeing the GPD section of this forum where people's dpads are breaking and then seeing the price of the W3D, it made me upset and it's why i brought up how for the same price someone could get a nice android phone and just have an add-on controller that can be replaced easier than the built on kind

and? also because i am not a "true handheld-phone gamer" , my interest in gaming phones are because i'm Forced to get that kind if i want a removable/replaceable battery , i really just want something that let's you change the battery just in case it ever dies forever

it's why i made this a long time ago http://boards.dingoonity.org/other-game-systems/which-handhelds-have-accessible-batteries/

but i do hope lots of gaming phones come out just because i alllllways like more choices

okay no worries, at least i know where your coming from, but since you brought it up, im really hoping the high price for the W3D will mean we get a higher build quality, it would be hard to imagine paying $399 only to get the build quality you would expect from a $150 GPD or JXD
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 24, 2015, 04:40:12 am
http://mobile.snail.com/en/news/2015/0919/10465.html

Here is an official statement from Snail regarding the delay. Indeed it seems to be a software update. Unfortunately, the release date is still up in the air. One guy from facebook said it best, it's like opening a box the size of what you wanted for Christmas, only to see a note saying, "I owe you one".

I hope they give us some details as to what software they will be updating.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 24, 2015, 05:01:11 am
Fingers crossed that more time means better quality.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 24, 2015, 05:14:40 am
Delaying a week before release, it better be something drastic, lol! Although it sucks it delayed, it does show that they care about the product they are releasing, and are willing to fix all issues before release.

I heard from XDA that one of the PR guys responded saying that it works with Verizon, but from the spec sheet, it doesn't support Verizon bands, so I am assuming that they are releasing 2 different versions. I wish I didn't have to assume.

Whatever fixes they are doing, I hope it doesn't take till next year. If they delayed till next month, that would be okay, but it depends on what the delay is for. Honestly, anything software related shouldn't take too long. If they are delaying till next year, I hope it's a hardware change.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: diablotinbouky on September 24, 2015, 06:47:17 am
Last news that i receive some days before...delay is for a problem with the screen..but i didn't know more....
My last contact with ireadygo leave the soci?ty....( for what i understood, ireadygo people are not very happy with Snail.... ) now it should be hard to have informations because Snail people didn't speak a lot...
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 24, 2015, 07:01:35 am
Hmmmmm...I wonder what would be wrong with the screen though?


Delaying a week before release, it better be something drastic, lol! Although it sucks it delayed, it does show that they care about the product they are releasing, and are willing to fix all issues before release.

I heard from XDA that one of the PR guys responded saying that it works with Verizon, but from the spec sheet, it doesn't support Verizon bands, so I am assuming that they are releasing 2 different versions. I wish I didn't have to assume.

Whatever fixes they are doing, I hope it doesn't take till next year. If they delayed till next month, that would be okay, but it depends on what the delay is for. Honestly, anything software related shouldn't take too long. If they are delaying till next year, I hope it's a hardware change.

I guess we're going to have to just wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 24, 2015, 06:40:21 pm
Thanks DB! It must have something to do with the software being used to track the eyes for the 3D. It sucks that the IReadyGo team and Snail aren't getting along.

Credits to XDA, a user there emailed a PR guy and he responded to a few of their questions. I was thinking DB, since you are a reseller, you may want to contact him with a question or 2 regarding international sales, or other requests. His email is below.

[email protected]
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 25, 2015, 01:21:05 am
Wait, are there still 2 sizes (5" and 5.5") for this?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: darklight1138 on September 25, 2015, 02:27:51 am
I don't know much about it and didn't want to know much since I am broke as shit and can barely afford food to survive ???

But looking at the vids Sony posted, it sure is a nice looker. I'm gonna watch more videos and then cry myself to sleep since I can't afford it, unless I get into crime or something.

Plus my 7800 is still alive and kicking.

But it suuuure looks cool!

 >:(   <--- me since I can't afford it
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 25, 2015, 02:36:45 am
I am broke as shit and can barely afford food to survive ???
 >:(   <--- me since I can't afford it

Join the club! I think I might sell my liver :(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 25, 2015, 02:40:42 am
Wait, are there still 2 sizes (5" and 5.5") for this?

So far, but it hasn't been mentioned since the last time DB placed a pic of it. Below is a pic of it from open consoles.

http://www.open-consoles-news.com/2015/01/les-deux-modeles-de-gaming-phone-snail.html
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 25, 2015, 02:56:04 am
Thanks Droid, they look awesome sided by side like that :)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0IE0qbA9W1o/VL1aZLRqCnI/AAAAAAAACl4/E08dnl2H4UM/s1600/w3dw10.jpg)

Also, lol @ the nVIDIA shield micro USB cable and Oppai (boobs) mouse pad :D
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: diablotinbouky on September 25, 2015, 10:31:26 am
Thanks DB! It must have something to do with the software being used to track the eyes for the 3D. It sucks that the IReadyGo team and Snail aren't getting along.

Credits to XDA, a user there emailed a PR guy and he responded to a few of their questions. I was thinking DB, since you are a reseller, you may want to contact him with a question or 2 regarding international sales, or other requests. His email is below.

[email protected]

Thanks for info...

Pictures with the two sizes was given to me by my best contact with ireadygo....responsible of development aera....who just leave society...
No more news about the 5" version....
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 25, 2015, 10:39:00 am
I really want the 5.5" one!!!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: diablotinbouky on September 25, 2015, 11:02:40 am
I really want the 5.5" one!!!

Me too  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 25, 2015, 11:13:57 am
Please don't post useless pics of your office area. Plus, you've already posted those pics before, thus some of us have already seen them.

Anyway, do you have the 5.5" prototype? Also, I've sent you a private message.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 25, 2015, 09:27:08 pm
interesting, screen problems are the cause of this delay? it makes me wonder if the aliexpress seller is selling stock with known issues or do they have no stock to begin with, either way this sucks, the wait has been to long as it is  >:(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: diablotinbouky on September 25, 2015, 10:02:01 pm
Nobody have device in stock....

I speak today with Snail....problem is: mass production problem....

I must contact him after the 7 oktober....
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 25, 2015, 10:24:49 pm
Well thanks for letting everyone know
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Jayson on September 26, 2015, 01:55:39 am
The moment a phone has controls and analog sticks built in, in my eyes, it is no longer a phone. It is a selling point.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 26, 2015, 02:19:11 am
The moment a handheld has controls and analog sticks built in, in my eyes, it is no longer a phone. It is a selling point.

The buttons are the only selling point, lol! With those specs, the W3D wouldn't survive as just a phone.

Hey silvercrest, I guess my suspicions were correct with Aliexpress. But then again, the US has highly stringent quality requirements. Perhaps they can sell in China, but have to meet the higher quality standards in the US before releasing. Also, I wouldn't want to be the phone releasing a mere 3 days after the newest iPhone. That's like going onstage to perform a U2 song, after U2 performed it on the same stage, lol!

Thanks for the update DB, I'll be eagerly awaiting any news you have after the 7th of October.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on September 26, 2015, 12:56:14 pm
The moment a handheld has controls and analog sticks built in, in my eyes, it is no longer a phone. It is a selling point.

The buttons are the only selling point, lol! With those specs, the W3D wouldn't survive as just a phone.

Hey silvercrest, I guess my suspicions were correct with Aliexpress. But then again, the US has highly stringent quality requirements. Perhaps they can sell in China, but have to meet the higher quality standards in the US before releasing. Also, I wouldn't want to be the phone releasing a mere 3 days after the newest iPhone. That's like going onstage to perform a U2 song, after U2 performed it on the same stage, lol!

Thanks for the update DB, I'll be eagerly awaiting any news you have after the 7th of October.

Your probably right about the US quality control thing, especially for a company like snail who are unknown, making there first device and selling it in the USA ASAP, even if sellers did have stock i doubt i would buy one now, knowing about the display problems
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 26, 2015, 01:23:11 pm
Arrrrrrrgggh~ I just wanna have this thing in my hands now!!!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: irwannasit on September 29, 2015, 03:39:55 pm
Same as db,  I too have no contact within.  Pretty sad if it's not updated as required.  Lollipop really would be great now that M is on its way.  Can't be on jelly bean for long. Apps not running as it should be. 

Wonder will there ever be a handheld with slot in game pads as extension and battery pack... Drools
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 29, 2015, 03:50:47 pm
I hate Lollipop...A couple of Sonic games are dead and Jet Set Radio too :(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on September 29, 2015, 06:33:27 pm
That is the thing about Android updates that worry me. Which is probably why they decided to stick to Kit Kat. But by staying there, it stops other apps that require Lollipop to work correctly. Some games haven't been optimized for the new update, so it's a win lose situation.

Speaking of slide out handhelds, Sony just came to the news stating that the poor market is the reason for the Vita's rough time..........? Yeah, the Vita can't make it, but I'm pretty sure an Xperia Play 2 would do awesome. But honestly, Sony failed to deliver through to the Vita true potential, or at least it's advertised potential, which Sony has been doing a lot of, advertising features, then either they get taken away, or never coming to light as they should have.

Now, I'm going mope about since we all know what today was SUPPOSED to be................................W3D release!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 30, 2015, 12:28:11 am
^ W3D day :(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: TeNoR on September 30, 2015, 01:05:14 pm
No info how many cores has Mali-t760 in the W3D (mp2-mp16)?/
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 30, 2015, 03:51:53 pm
There's plenty of info online about it.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: TeNoR on September 30, 2015, 04:48:20 pm
nothing about GPU
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on September 30, 2015, 04:55:14 pm
http://www.snail.com/en/news/2015/0612/9632.html

Quote
Powered by the MT6595 2.0GHz octa-core processor and a Power VR Series 6 G6200 Rogue GPU, the W3D has more than enough power to smoothly run even the most demanding games.

Normally, an octa-core processor would require so much energy to support, the battery life of the device would be extremely short. However, the MT6595 is embedded with MediaTek CorePilot technology, which activates each of the 8 cores individually based on the load currently put on the phone. Paired with the W3D?s high-capacity 4000mAh battery, the W3D?s battery can last a full day while idle, and for over 7 hours of continuous gaming.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: TeNoR on October 01, 2015, 12:06:05 am
Thanks, Amazon and Snail say PowerVR G6200, but Ali - Mali-t760, it's strange...

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Snail-W3D-4G-FDD-LTE-3D-Game-Mobile-Phone-MTK6592-Octa-Core-Android-4-4/32275921397.html
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 01, 2015, 12:36:20 am
There are still 2 models, I think? 5" and 5.5".
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: AVahne on October 03, 2015, 02:59:22 am
Only mention about two models I've ever seen is from Deen0x. AFAIK Snail has never mentioned a 5" 3D-less version in official news, at least not for Snail USA.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 03, 2015, 03:55:50 am
They definitely have the prototypes for them both though.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: simonwjackson on October 03, 2015, 08:50:27 am
I found a seller on AliExpress who has this in sock, so i placed an order :D

so excited!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 03, 2015, 09:13:47 am
Wait! Can you ask the seller if they physically have it in stock?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on October 06, 2015, 02:17:42 am
I found a seller on AliExpress who has this in sock, so i placed an order :D

so excited!

let us know if it ever arrives in your hands  :)

we have been told no one has stock yet because of screen issues
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 06, 2015, 04:42:57 am
Don't AliExpress take forever to ship?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on October 06, 2015, 07:24:46 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/SnailMobileUSA/status/649341166429716480/photo/1

Has anyone seen this? After I saw the delay, I decided to delay preordering to use some of the money for something. Guess I'll need to pre-order asap to get some information. Looking at the date, I'm a little late though.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on October 07, 2015, 01:43:51 pm
strange, if those who pre-ordered are just getting delay updates why couldn't snail just release an official statement regarding the device, with regular status updates?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 07, 2015, 01:57:09 pm
I hope I can get this for Christmas.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: wermy on October 07, 2015, 02:17:15 pm
I'm really happy to see at least someone working on a gaming phone with physical controls...  But man, having the sticks/buttons exposed all the time kills it for me.  :\  It seems like for something like this to really take off it would *have* to be either a slider or clamshell design.  I just couldn't bring myself to use it as my every day phone, there's no way I could pull out that phone during a meeting or something lol.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 07, 2015, 02:40:31 pm
There's no other way to design it unless you had nubs or stick that could be unscrewed on and off.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: wermy on October 07, 2015, 02:49:25 pm
There's no other way to design it unless you had nubs or stick that could be unscrewed on and off.

Yeah, it would have to be nubs.  I'd be ok with that if it could close and look like a semi-normal phone, though.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on October 08, 2015, 04:51:53 am
The only other way I see they can do it is by making a phone first, then making a case around the phone that adds the buttons through the mini USB adapter. A case that doesn't need to be removed and will allow the phone to act as a normal phone. Using the mini USB, the controller case can be charged. Kinda like how the Logitech Powershell does for the Iphone 5.

That way the controller is removable and the phone can be used in work. Personally, I just tell them the controller buttons do more than play games, which is why I have it, lol!

The biggest issue is that the sliding controller is the best model, yet Sony has the patent. Unless they make the case retractable, and make a lock switch so it doesn't accidentally get snapped behind the phone.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 08, 2015, 04:52:52 am
These companies don't care about patents, mate.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on October 08, 2015, 03:35:19 pm
personally i think the solution for a gaming phone is a detachable controller which can also fold for portability, google search flippypad for something close to what im describing
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 08, 2015, 03:51:51 pm
lol, flippypad looks like a modular design lime Project Ara :D
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on October 09, 2015, 12:06:36 am
Flippy Pad has a nice concept, but Project Ara itself seems a little iffy to me. Like a lego phone, which would be cool, but I don't know. Development seems years in the making at the moment.

Now the Flippypad design, which is clamshell, can work with a dual screen system, whereas there is a screen inside and out. Combined with screen tech that can mirror the front screen display to the inner screen when the clam shell is opened, and vice versa, that could work. It would also hide the fact that it's a gaming phone for the business inclined person. May be a little thicker than most phones, but worth it.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 09, 2015, 01:45:07 am
The squareness of it will be uncomfortable and painful. :S
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on October 09, 2015, 06:09:34 pm
Project ara is pretty much complete, the only problem they have is keeping the modules in place if the phone is dropped, they kept saying magnets would do the trick but apparently it wasn't good enough, your ideas for a flippypad design are interesting but ara would allow for pretty much and idea to come to life, its a shame its taking so long to launch

as for the comfort and pain due to squareness, if people can handle a 3DS or even a GPD XD, they can handle this too but even saying that makes no difference because the flippypad is concept art only
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 10, 2015, 12:34:47 am
I thought Project Ara was still in the concept stage?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on October 10, 2015, 02:57:34 pm
I'm sure if they added some curve to the edges, similar to the DS design, it would be more comfortable. Of course, there's only so much that can be done ergonomically because it has to also be a cell phone. The Xperia Play, and Snail W1 went with curved backs which would be good for the controller bottom. While not good for placing down on the table, as stated in Deen0x review for Snail W1, but for gaming, the curved back would give better handling.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on October 11, 2015, 01:53:08 am
Project ara is real and Google have even showed a working prototype, you can see it on YouTube, the only reason it still isn't available is because of the issues I already mentioned

For us game phone fans we need ara to be real and successful, phoned like the w3d will always be few but with ara the possibilities would be potentially huge
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: on October 11, 2015, 02:22:38 am
That isn't the only problem, I recon.

Had it were, it would've been solved easily - a back cover with slots to stabilize the modules, with two screws to apply constant pressure against them. These screws will go all the way through the device, and into holes in the backs of the two front modules. Issue solved, and it doesn't take any clever engineering to figure it out.

I think there was some kind of beta test in Puerto Rico? I'm not sure, I haven't heard a single thing about it since it was announced.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 11, 2015, 02:44:38 am
Am I the only one here who is ultra excited about W3D?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on October 11, 2015, 02:09:20 pm
Am I the only one here who is ultra excited about W3D?

Nope, but I assume most of us are but with the release in the air at the moment, excitement just makes the wait longer. I have the Snail W1 to tide me over, so I can wait a little bit. Not too long, but enough for them to get everything straight. The W1 has some issues that I hope are overcome with the W3D.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on October 11, 2015, 07:25:38 pm
Your solution is viable but still a departure from what Google wants, I think they would rather delay then compromise

As for my excitement for the w3d, yeah I still am but it's hard to stay that way when no guaranted release to this day exist.

Just think back to what the last device you were excited for and how long it took to arrive. It feels like a full year has passed since it's announcement, snail are living up to their name sadly
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 11, 2015, 08:56:20 pm
(http://www.fleckvalves.com/images/gifs/SnailAnimation.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: AVahne on October 12, 2015, 06:01:20 am
I'm still somewhat excited, but after some thinking I think I would want to wait and see if they bring that W One to market. $400 is too much for the W3D considering the specs aren't that great at all, especially when compared to devices of similar price like the OnePlus Two. I blame the 3D.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 12, 2015, 06:18:47 am
Yeah, the 3D isn't necessary, imo.
Even Nintendo agrees that the 3D capabilities in the 3DS wasn't the big hit that they thought it would be.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on October 12, 2015, 09:07:49 pm
Yeah, announcing 3D is like announcing that your phone can play HD-DVD's. Nifty feature, but limited and somewhat useless in most applications. It would be nice if developers could easily add native 3D compatibility to their apps, if it's possible, but I doubt that happening with such a small adaptation pool. You have a better chance with the 3D touch from Apple.

However, I'm optimistic for the device since they seem to be putting some thought into it. Despite its lack of use, the 3D seems to be a well thought out feature that no one else is doing, kinda like what the gaming phone represents at the moment. Basically fusing two of the rarest features into a phone. I guess all it needs now is a projector like that older LG phone so you can play your games on a wall. That would be cool, and a nifty showoff.

 
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 13, 2015, 08:20:54 am
Wonder if they'll release a white W3D like they did with the W1.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: diablotinbouky on October 14, 2015, 05:18:43 pm
Some pictures from a Chinese Review...

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12036710.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/534)

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12088510.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/535)

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12096010.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/536)

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12107910.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/537)

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12112210.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/538)

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12119010.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/539)

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12079610.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/540)

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12122510.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/541)

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/41/36/33/12122511.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/17413633/542)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 14, 2015, 08:18:52 pm
Whoooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, thank @diablotinbouky

So awesome! But could you please give us the link to the review?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on October 14, 2015, 11:35:23 pm
finally some actual news.

okay since this is a chinese review it might be safe to assume the W3D might be in sellers possession or at the very least snail are done with their display issues and are ready to give out review units   
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 14, 2015, 11:58:43 pm
Maybe they reviewed a prototype?
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on October 15, 2015, 05:44:28 am
Nice! Thanks DB! This helps with the waiting. Kinda good to see some light after being in the dark.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: diablotinbouky on October 15, 2015, 06:47:57 am
finally some actual news.

okay since this is a chinese review it might be safe to assume the W3D might be in sellers possession or at the very least snail are done with their display issues and are ready to give out review units

No, not for seller....
They have some  devices, for show presentation, review...My old contact ( ireadygo developer ) had one, but must give back when leave society...
No news about the mass production problem.....

http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzAwODEwMDg2NA==&mid=210429786&idx=1&sn=3fe6085e5d02658d8dea579e1970b088&scene=0#rd





Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 19, 2015, 01:53:23 am
Posting a couple of old random images of the W3D because I'm so excited :D

(http://cdn1.tabletowo.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/snail-games-w-3d-2.jpg)

(http://androidphonehub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/obox-android-console-ces-2015.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: montie1965 on October 19, 2015, 02:41:10 pm
Here's some more JUST FOR YOU SONY.

http://bbs.snail.com/thread-31487-1-1.html

and one more.

http://bbs.snail.com/thread-32134-1-1.html

enjoy...
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on October 21, 2015, 01:23:19 pm
Thank you very much, montie~ I'm very happy now :)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3b/00/9d/3b009d49bb58f4cfed9d6da42f590202.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: okayvin on November 29, 2015, 02:59:43 am
Amazon says "This item will be released on December 28, 2015. "
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: AVahne on November 29, 2015, 02:13:23 pm
Placeholder date.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: okayvin on November 30, 2015, 12:19:01 am
dammit D:<

if the GPD XD had phone features I woulda bought that one by now
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: robman2122 on December 03, 2015, 04:11:15 pm
Amazon lists the phone as being currently unavailable as of this morning. Was still up for preorder yesterday though. I've been poking the bear by asking questions on most of their social media outlets as well as on the Amazon page as to what a confirmed release date/window is and then they pulled the availability (and deleted my question on the Amazon page as well).
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on December 03, 2015, 11:19:59 pm
Well, that's disappointing! Hopefully it is because they are updating the listing.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: robman2122 on December 04, 2015, 12:24:08 am
I'd almost think it has something to do with their legal battles over all the panda nonsense. Maybe their finances are tied up doing all that and they put the phone on hold until further notice. Either way a notice from them would be nice. Especially for anyone who's preordered it.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on December 04, 2015, 05:28:23 am
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Finally got through actually catching up on this thread.  No point in posting the original content.  God this is depressing.  I literally watched a month of excitement and passion die with the realization that you've fallen for vaporware :p

Seriously i hope this phone drops.  If any decent reviews spec it as at least T4 performance, Im buying it. I NEED gundam vs gundam next plus in my damn pocket!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: robman2122 on December 04, 2015, 12:20:51 pm
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Finally got through actually catching up on this thread.  No point in posting the original content.  God this is depressing.  I literally watched a month of excitement and passion die with the realization that you've fallen for vaporware

Seriously i hope this phone drops.  If any decent reviews spec it as at least T4 performance, Im buying it. I NEED gundam vs gundam next plus in my damn pocket!
I wouldn't exactly call it vapor ware. It exists. People have touched it and been able to pick it up and play around. I think the proper term is broken promises and empty dreams.

I've kicked myself ever since I got rid of my Xperia play. I was looking forward to this phone but after some hard thinking, I don't think buying a phone from a Chinese company that has gone completely silent for almost 3 months on any matters regarding said phone is a good idea. If I break it and need a part or warranty work I highly doubt I'll get any timely service from snail seeing how they've been. I'm kind of in that boat already with the OnePlus one. It's broken and slowly dying but should be covered under warranty still. Only downside is I'll have to pay shipping to and from China to send my phone back in and provided they don't find anything that's my fault, warranty will cover it, otherwise I'll have to pay the repair as well. Once I factor all the money for everything plus the fact I'll be without a phone while it's there, it's just not worth it.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: robman2122 on December 04, 2015, 10:23:12 pm
Now if you search for the W3D on amazon it doesn't appear anymore. Although you can still get to the page from snail's website. Looks like it might be a goner.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on December 05, 2015, 12:56:07 am
Well, finally got an update, of course not the one I was looking for. But I'm optimistic. It could be they are deleting the old listing and updating with a new one, with it being close to the tentative release date listed. I highly doubt it releases on the 28th, but maybe they are finally making some moves.

I really don't want this to be cancelled.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: fofo33 on December 06, 2015, 06:15:52 pm
A perfect chain of deceptions.

- Expensive.


- Low specifications.


-Delays.


- Better products in the competence.


-Regular software.


- Small company.


And while... products with better price and features are releasing.

http://techtablets.com/teclast-x98-pro/

Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Mountainmohawk on December 06, 2015, 08:03:12 pm
A perfect chain of deceptions.

- Expensive.


- Low specifications.


-Delays.


- Better products in the competence.


-Regular software.


- Small company.


And while... products with better price and features are releasing.

http://techtablets.com/teclast-x98-pro/

I'm not sure how that could be considered a better product. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on December 06, 2015, 10:51:49 pm
Yeah, this is more in competition with a Shield tablet. The only thing that can compare is another gaming phone hybrid. We need a device that takes the place of our portable gaming system, and our Smart Phone.

Snail has really been letting me down with the way things are being handled. The worst part is, is that it's all we have for another gaming phone.

Sure, there are blue-tooth controllers, gaming tablets, and some with wifi which would allows phone calling abilities. but nothing beats the Xperia Play, or Much devices, or JXD 5800, all of which had both features tied together nicely.

I guess this is what happens when you enter a market with virtually no competition.

Honestly, GPD has a great design, all they need to do now is make it a phone, and add a second outside screen that mirror each other. closed when using as a phone, open when using as a game system.

I wish I had the capital to fund it, lol!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: robman2122 on December 06, 2015, 10:59:09 pm
Yeah, this is more in competition with a Shield tablet. The only thing that can compare is another gaming phone hybrid. We need a device that takes the place of our portable gaming system, and our Smart Phone.

Snail has really been letting me down with the way things are being handled. The worst part is, is that it's all we have for another gaming phone.

Sure, there are blue-tooth controllers, gaming tablets, and some with wifi which would allows phone calling abilities. but nothing beats the Xperia Play, or Much devices, or JXD 5800, all of which had both features tied together nicely.

I guess this is what happens when you enter a market with virtually no competition.

Honestly, GPD has a great design, all they need to do now is make it a phone, and add a second outside screen that mirror each other. closed when using as a phone, open when using as a game system.

I wish I had the capital to fund it, lol!
Only other alternative is to make your own in one way shape or form. I'm in the process right now of designing a 3d printable case for my galaxy note 5 to basically turn it into a bigger Xperia play.

I've got a rough case down and have printed a couple prototypes and tweaked the design inbetween, still researching what controller to disassemble and build into the case though.

It will be awhile before it's perfect, but in the end, I think it will be exactly what I've been looking for all these years.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on December 06, 2015, 11:16:28 pm
Yeah, this is more in competition with a Shield tablet. The only thing that can compare is another gaming phone hybrid. We need a device that takes the place of our portable gaming system, and our Smart Phone.

Snail has really been letting me down with the way things are being handled. The worst part is, is that it's all we have for another gaming phone.

Sure, there are blue-tooth controllers, gaming tablets, and some with wifi which would allows phone calling abilities. but nothing beats the Xperia Play, or Much devices, or JXD 5800, all of which had both features tied together nicely.

I guess this is what happens when you enter a market with virtually no competition.

Honestly, GPD has a great design, all they need to do now is make it a phone, and add a second outside screen that mirror each other. closed when using as a phone, open when using as a game system.

I wish I had the capital to fund it, lol!
Only other alternative is to make your own in one way shape or form. I'm in the process right now of designing a 3d printable case for my galaxy note 5 to basically turn it into a bigger Xperia play.

I've got a rough case down and have printed a couple prototypes and tweaked the design inbetween, still researching what controller to disassemble and build into the case though.

It will be awhile before it's perfect, but in the end, I think it will be exactly what I've been looking for all these years.

Nice! I wish Bladepad would have open sourced their designs. The case would have to fit uniform around the phone, and maybe a USB connection instead of bluetooth so the buttons wouldn't have to be powered, or you can use headphones. Or the battery of the buttons wired to the main battery. So many options.

If the gaming phone future gets any darker, then I may have to go that way myself and tinker a mod together, or see how much Ben Heck charges, lol!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: AVahne on December 07, 2015, 12:07:19 am
Yeah, this is more in competition with a Shield tablet. The only thing that can compare is another gaming phone hybrid. We need a device that takes the place of our portable gaming system, and our Smart Phone.

Snail has really been letting me down with the way things are being handled. The worst part is, is that it's all we have for another gaming phone.

Sure, there are blue-tooth controllers, gaming tablets, and some with wifi which would allows phone calling abilities. but nothing beats the Xperia Play, or Much devices, or JXD 5800, all of which had both features tied together nicely.

I guess this is what happens when you enter a market with virtually no competition.

Honestly, GPD has a great design, all they need to do now is make it a phone, and add a second outside screen that mirror each other. closed when using as a phone, open when using as a game system.

I wish I had the capital to fund it, lol!

Funny thing is, this is likely from the iReadyGo team which Snail bought a while back, so this is a Much phone in all but name. I guess aside from phone development, they have no influence over the release and advertising for it :(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: SONY on December 07, 2015, 12:58:15 am
:(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Pleng on December 10, 2015, 12:01:21 pm
I actually hope this doesn't come to market now, not in it's present state.

Don't get me wrong - I love the 3D in my 3DS and would love an android gaming device which can also do 3D. But the specs and OS on this device are so outdated that the chance of this device being even remotely successful are pretty, well, remote! And if this device isn't successful then that's probably the last chance for 3D on an Android device for a while.

Put a better SOC in it, and upgrade it to Lollipop or Marshmallow (I'm not worried about the phone feature) and then we're talking! And of course make the 3D SDK available and easy to find for developers so they can create content.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: robman2122 on December 16, 2015, 01:43:00 pm
Somebody posted on the public area of their W3D Facebook page and gave out the PR person's email address of [email protected]

Supposedly when they asked people to send in a screenshot of their preorder confirmations, they were asking a select few if they wanted to test the device ahead of the market, but never followed through on that idea. After emailing the PR person, someone had mentioned he actually responded back to them saying they hope to make some sort of announcement in the coming weeks and blamed the lack of communication on the company being from China.

Someone else commented on that post and had mentioned they would be receiving an refund on their preorder via snail mail (pun surely intended). Not sure if that is from a cancelled preorder or a cancelled device though.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on December 19, 2015, 12:12:05 am
Thanks for the update Rob! Seems like it will be a while before we hear anything new. Unless another company tries an Android based gaming phone, nothing else to really do but wait, or make your own gaming case for the Note 5 using a 3D printer. ;)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: robman2122 on December 19, 2015, 12:19:44 am
Thanks for the update Rob! Seems like it will be a while before we hear anything new. Unless another company tries an Android based gaming phone, nothing else to really do but wait, or make your own gaming case for the Note 5 using a 3D printer. ;)
No problem. The case is coming along quite nicely! The hurdle right now is money at Christmas time to blow on a decent controller to canabilize. I saw someone else say somewhere that they still intend on releasing the phone in Q1 2016 but I'm doubtful. The further it gets from its initial release date, the less appealing it looks to most. I wanted to believe in the W3D so badly and even waited a year for its release only to be left disappointed. Even if the phone were to come out anytime soon and completely overhauled I don't think I'd be a buyer any more
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on December 19, 2015, 11:53:05 pm
From what I read a couple days ago, it seems to be a problem with the materials they are using for the screen. I'm thinking something to do with the glasses free 3D, which is a nifty feature, but also the most hated since it can really bring nothing to gaming since it's rarely supported.

If there is a non-3D model, they should have released that one first, to satisfy the market, then release the 3D model later if the 3D model is the one causing the issue. I'm pretty sure a 100 price drop for a non 3D model would be better than what's happening right now.

Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on January 01, 2016, 11:16:42 pm
Short of them flat out lying about the glasses free 3d, they indicated during several press events that its using an IR camera to track the angle of the eye from the center of the screen to provide the effect, similar to the Nintendo wiimote project, or more commercially, Amazon's failed firephone.  Anyone who saw the firephones 3d effect knows it provides a very solid 3d effect.  The screen literally wouldn't have anything to do with that, unless they're doing something completely new thats undisclosed.  If there's a problem with the 3d, it would likely be software related.  Hard to imagine they sourced bad IR cameras this late in the production run.   

FYI, its January, guess that end of december date was also a lie.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: fofo33 on January 03, 2016, 02:21:44 am
This device is dead with the apparition of JXD S192. Only for 50 dollars I'll buy one. RIP.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on January 11, 2016, 03:08:02 pm
i'll agree this device is probably dead but the JXD S192 is not a real replacement for this, the JXD is a powerful 7 inch tablet with controls, the w3d is a gamephone that i can actually put in my pocket and make calls with
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on January 12, 2016, 01:38:16 pm
I agree silvacrest, the JXD looks nice, but it's no replacement. JXD has made a gaming phone in the past with the JXD 5800. I wish they would try their hands at it again.

As for Snail, I'm not sure what to say at this point. They haven't officially announced anything. No word, even after a lengthy port about the phone on their facebook page. The Chinese website doesn't have anything new either.

Speculation on the Chinese website seems that they are waiting since they re-released the 78P01 in white. The 78P01 (Snail W1) was released in August 2014, so that phone is almost a year and a half old. Either way, if they were gonna wait, they should have waited before releasing news of a new phone, and planning release dates.

I guess this is what happens when an area has no competition. It's saddening really. Most companies are trying to compete with home consoles and PC gaming with Android gaming. I think they have a better chance with portable since Android is already thought of as portable, and all they have to compete is the dying Vita, and unique Nintendo DS.

Only time will tell. If it comes out, I'll still get it, but the excitement is over.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on January 12, 2016, 06:40:42 pm
I agree that i will still get it (if it ever comes out) but it is becoming even harder to justify the purchase.

The specs were old before launch, if it launches with nothing updated i will really have to ignore the old processor, small-ish ram and no finger print reader (everyone including chinese manufacturers are adding this so it will be an omission from snail). i'll also have to ignore 3D (who asked for this??)

and if it still launches at the same prices....they have done them selves no favours with this delay, this device lived and died on hype
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Pleng on January 15, 2016, 12:32:41 pm
Short of them flat out lying about the glasses free 3d, they indicated during several press events that its using an IR camera to track the angle of the eye from the center of the screen to provide the effect, similar to the Nintendo wiimote project, or more commercially, Amazon's failed firephone.  Anyone who saw the firephones 3d effect knows it provides a very solid 3d effect.  The screen literally wouldn't have anything to do with that, unless they're doing something completely new thats undisclosed. 

I'd imagine that both the firephone and the W3D only make use of the IR camera to make sure the 3D effect is *stable*, like the Nintendo 3DS does. You still need to be using a special 3D screen, the camera just calibrates the offset of the left-side and right-side portions of the screen.

If they are able to create a 3D effect on a standard screen with nothing but an IR camera, I guess they've probably sold the technology on for an insane amount of money and are living on a tropical island somewhere now :)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on January 16, 2016, 07:23:51 am
Short of them flat out lying about the glasses free 3d, they indicated during several press events that its using an IR camera to track the angle of the eye from the center of the screen to provide the effect, similar to the Nintendo wiimote project, or more commercially, Amazon's failed firephone.  Anyone who saw the firephones 3d effect knows it provides a very solid 3d effect.  The screen literally wouldn't have anything to do with that, unless they're doing something completely new thats undisclosed. 

I'd imagine that both the firephone and the W3D only make use of the IR camera to make sure the 3D effect is *stable*, like the Nintendo 3DS does. You still need to be using a special 3D screen, the camera just calibrates the offset of the left-side and right-side portions of the screen.

If they are able to create a 3D effect on a standard screen with nothing but an IR camera, I guess they've probably sold the technology on for an insane amount of money and are living on a tropical island somewhere now :)

Again, Im basing my assessment of the w3d on the show floor demo and "explanation" where it was stated that an IR camera tracks your eye position, and with some other clever sensor work determines the angle at which you're viewing the screen, to rotate the the FOV accordingly, creating a flat but convincing 3d image.  Its basically just an optical illusion with very little gpu cost.  Amazon's fire phone utilizes the same technology, but has 4 cameras to ensure it can track the user no matter how they hold the phone.  The Fire phones screen is a simple LTPS LCD (nothing special or fancy), and numerous teardowns have shown that there is nothing special about the phone beyond its 4 IR camera array.  IIRC the 3ds uses 2 stacked LCDs to produce a "true" stereoscopic image.  The bottom lcd provides the image rendering, and the top lcd crystals can be adjusted in placement and width to channel light to each eye individually.  Its pretty interesting stuff I used to care about when glasses free 3d started getting popular.  Seems like really expensive R&D for a chinese company to invest with little chance of return.  On the contrary, a quick formula, cheap camera sensors with no ir filter lens, and an easy to use api feel more like par for the course.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Pleng on January 16, 2016, 01:07:20 pm
Well if they're not doing proper 3D, then my interest level drops even further.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: diablotinbouky on January 16, 2016, 08:46:49 pm
I try to have informations... But nothing...no answer... :o :-X :'(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on January 17, 2016, 06:26:15 am
Well if they're not doing proper 3D, then my interest level drops even further.

Lol, what exactly do you think makes any 3d "proper"?  If you look at a display, and your brain interprets depth, how does that differ from any other "hardware" that also makes your brain interpret depth?  Is it not 3d because you feel you didn't pay enough for the effect?  ALL flat screens that fake depth are optical illusions.  This is simply a cellphone friendly version that does quite well under some circumstances. 
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Pleng on January 17, 2016, 07:34:37 am
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Lol, what exactly do you think makes any 3d "proper"?

Something better than a "cellphone friendly version that does quite well under some circumstances"

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This is simply a cellphone friendly version that does quite well under some circumstances. 

Also...
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Is it not 3d because you feel you didn't pay enough for the effect?
The RRP for this device is significantly higher than the 3DS. So that argument isn't really valid (and it's why I thought they were using some kind of special display technology to give the effect...)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on January 17, 2016, 07:45:53 am
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Lol, what exactly do you think makes any 3d "proper"?

Something better than a "cellphone friendly version that does quite well under some circumstances"

This statement is valid for all 3D.  Not every "experience" works with every technology.  Also, its a cellphone.  So expecting an oculus style experience when the OR recommends a top end PC and powerful GPU is crazy, especially for a paltry 400$.

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This is simply a cellphone friendly version that does quite well under some circumstances. 

Also...
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Is it not 3d because you feel you didn't pay enough for the effect?
The RRP for this device is significantly higher than the 3DS. So that argument isn't really valid (and it's why I thought they were using some kind of special display technology to give the effect...)

It didn't quote your line, but it is still quite valid considering the msrp is based on the hardware cost and their interpretation of THAT market (point in time).  Implementing additional hardware would have shot that price way up from 399 to 600 easily.  Lets also not forget, that its a cellphone.  Comparing a standalone tablet device to a mobile device that needs additonal r&d, hardware/firmware + certification for pricing seems unrealistic.  If they dropped the cellular connection, the device would likely have been priced around 250.   All speculation on all our parts, but at the time of its development and announcement, that mediatek chip was the newest and most powerful chip out of the big 3 chinese arm developers.  One of the worst things a company can do is delay top end hardware in an ever improving market. 

Perhaps that question was more facetious than conversational, its just that i can't quite make the connection of your disappointment with the technology you're looking at, meaning, its a cellphone, that has game controls, and a selective optional glasses free 3d component while sporting what is now middling hardware.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Pleng on January 17, 2016, 11:30:31 am
Well I wasn't interested in it for the mobile phone feature. It was the 3D bit that interested me. And considering that the latest Mediatek chipsets have support for driving genuine 3D panels, I was assuming the device would have been using a special 3D panel.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on January 18, 2016, 04:14:26 am
Well I wasn't interested in it for the mobile phone feature. It was the 3D bit that interested me. And considering that the latest Mediatek chipsets have support for driving genuine 3D panels, I was assuming the device would have been using a special 3D panel.

Dont get me wrong, I was also pretty disappointed when the big reveal came, was really hoping for the pop out parallax view, instead of a seemingly under the screen popin effect.  Still, with no product on the horizon, it only continues to devalue as time goes on.  At this point, a spec change would be advisable with a late 2016 release window if they want to salvage this thing. 
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Pleng on January 18, 2016, 05:22:39 am
I'm not interested in pop-out effects. Life doesn't pop-out at you... you're looking into life.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: robman2122 on January 18, 2016, 06:20:46 am



Dont get me wrong, I was also pretty disappointed when the big reveal came, was really hoping for the pop out parallax view, instead of a seemingly under the screen popin effect.  Still, with no product on the horizon, it only continues to devalue as time goes on.  At this point, a spec change would be advisable with a late 2016 release window if they want to salvage this thing.

Or, and this probably probably would make 0 financial sense for them, release it at an extreme discount. I purchased another phone instead of waiting for this train wreck, but might give it a second chance if it came out at $250 or less (preferably without the 3d screen at that point, which would save them money in production costs). $400 was a bit much to swallow for its original release date back in September. Moving forward at that price without a serious overhaul hardware wise will just ensure a shortened lifespan of the product (at least outside of China)
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on January 18, 2016, 02:33:11 pm
Pleng, then you should avoid 3d in general. 
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Pleng on January 20, 2016, 07:20:55 am
shinkamui not sure if you've ever used a 3DS?? All the sensible games use the 'looking into a box' format for 3D.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: AVahne on February 08, 2016, 05:48:05 am
Seems like Snail USA will be showing their faces at GDC this year showing off software and hardware. Let's hope they've revamped the W3D hardware and will offer a 3D-less version at a much better price.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on February 09, 2016, 10:51:25 pm
Here's hoping they are still interested in doing a gaming phone.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DrROBschiz on February 16, 2016, 05:15:25 pm
I sure hope they are. Snail is the only company that seems to be attempting one and I desperately want a phone with built in controls

Looking forward to GDC and hopefully they did a serious hardware revision. 3D screen and the massive length of the thing was overkill

Focus on specs and comfortable design!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: AVahne on March 17, 2016, 12:19:22 am
Snail USA said they'll be at GDC showing something.
Anyone know if they really are there? Or did they die off?

EDIT:
Oh, this is all they're doing...
"Snail Games
The creators of the new mobile kung-fu games Age of Wushu Dynasty and Taichi Panda bring you the latest updates running on ARM Mali to kick thngs up a gear!"

I'm guessing at this point we can definitely say the W3D is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DrROBschiz on March 17, 2016, 12:33:26 pm
Certainly seems that way

With zero info out of GDC.... the last true gaming phone is dead...

I suppose my only hope now would be an LG G5 module or something out of Googles Project ARA (longshot)

Really really disappointed
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on May 27, 2016, 06:55:55 am
dead.  Probably better at this point, the SoC is no longer relevant now, not at the current price point.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DrROBschiz on May 27, 2016, 05:43:34 pm
Damn shame

There is literally NOTHING left in the Gamephone space
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on May 27, 2016, 06:50:38 pm
Damn shame

There is literally NOTHING left in the Gamephone space

There is one item left...The PGS Pro edition, if it also doesn't become vaporware.  If it launches with its spec sheet and at the 260$ pricepoint, its going to be teh gamephone to beat all gamephones. 
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DrROBschiz on May 31, 2016, 04:14:57 pm
Damn shame

There is literally NOTHING left in the Gamephone space

There is one item left...The PGS Pro edition, if it also doesn't become vaporware.  If it launches with its spec sheet and at the 260$ pricepoint, its going to be teh gamephone to beat all gamephones.

Whoa any other info? I can find a single thing about this device online
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on June 01, 2016, 11:12:04 pm
Found it. Here's the website.

http://pgslab.com/

I'm feeling kind of burned though, so I'm not getting my hopes up. Bladepad, Razor Junglecat, and W3D all have websites and promises. I'll need more to go on, but I'll keep an eye on it.

However, I really hope it's real, and it releases.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shdowhunt60 on June 07, 2016, 10:35:45 pm
Found it. Here's the website.

http://pgslab.com/

I'm feeling kind of burned though, so I'm not getting my hopes up. Bladepad, Razor Junglecat, and W3D all have websites and promises. I'll need more to go on, but I'll keep an eye on it.

However, I really hope it's real, and it releases.

Saw this before. Definitely sounds FAR too good to be true, especially for the price-tag. Also the position of those thumbsticks is just horrid.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on June 08, 2016, 03:03:13 pm
Yeah, I read up more on the page. That seems so far fetched it's like an April Fools joke, lol! Desperate, but not gullible.

Now, if they can pull it off, shut up and take my money. But that's a little too good to be true.

Seriously, why are the companies making it seem so difficult. Just start with your basic run-of-the-mill phone. Something competitive spec wise. Nvidia Shield is a good comparison. The Much W1 is a good build size to match. It comes with a complete set of buttons. Dimpled analogs like the GPD, or 3DS. Button mapping software. They can either make their own, or lease out Tincore.

But basically, a good competitive phone, then add buttons with mapping software.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DrROBschiz on June 09, 2016, 01:17:11 pm
Well

Its not a phone, its too big.

Analog sticks are in an awkward place too. Are they gonna sell this with a grip? How are you supposed to even use this?

Fuck man..... If SNAIL could have just made a smaller, cheaper and more reasonable gaming phone..... DAMNIT


ALSO

Legit good article.  http://www.phonedog.com/2016/05/08/its-time-bring-back-xperia-play
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on June 09, 2016, 09:15:00 pm
The PSG looks like a device that was created from the hopes and dreams of game phone fans, far to good to be true, and the price even for the lite version looks like a bad troll joke, $230??

but lets put things into perspective, the much W3D was a FAR less ambitious device yet it turned out to be literally nothing even though they had a working prototype to show off, because of this like the rest of you i will keep my hype levels low, but if this thing is real? wow, just take my money 
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on June 10, 2016, 10:35:29 pm
Well

Its not a phone, its too big.

Analog sticks are in an awkward place too. Are they gonna sell this with a grip? How are you supposed to even use this?

Fuck man..... If SNAIL could have just made a smaller, cheaper and more reasonable gaming phone..... DAMNIT


ALSO

Legit good article.  http://www.phonedog.com/2016/05/08/its-time-bring-back-xperia-play

Yeah, a new Xperia Play is LONG overdue. It basically set the standard of what a gaming pone should be. It had a huge backing with 3rd party software. Sony should really re-visit it. Their regular phones are sub par at best anyway. The only Xperia phone worth something IMO was the Xperia Play. Everything else was a rehash of what was already out there.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: silvacrest on June 11, 2016, 04:05:54 am
I agree to an extent, sony phones have been so bad for a while now im surprised they have not sold that division yet, literally all their phones are over priced with no innovation, why pay the sony tax for an average phone?

the xperia play was the only truly unique phone but it came to early, now would be great for a squeal, plenty of games to take advantage of physical controls, also, might as well add vita games since the vita is nearly dead anyway, and finally easy use of PS4 remote play.

sony have everything they need to make a xperia play 2 compelling yet we keep getting mediocre phones that no one buys, so annoying  :'(
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on June 14, 2016, 05:41:02 pm
I agree to an extent, sony phones have been so bad for a while now im surprised they have not sold that division yet, literally all their phones are over priced with no innovation, why pay the sony tax for an average phone?

the xperia play was the only truly unique phone but it came to early, now would be great for a squeal, plenty of games to take advantage of physical controls, also, might as well add vita games since the vita is nearly dead anyway, and finally easy use of PS4 remote play.

sony have everything they need to make a xperia play 2 compelling yet we keep getting mediocre phones that no one buys, so annoying  :'(

Exactly! Their phones haven't been making them anymore than what a Xplay 2 would do on its own. If they are worried about the Vita, then make it a Vita phone built using Xplay architecture. Slide out 5 inch screen with the quad core same as the Vita, running android heavily skinned with Vita style GUI, like Touchwiz does for Samsung. They already have the know how to make a quality system. With that, they have 3 potential markets, Android gamers, smartphone, and Vita gamers. Throw in 4G PS4 connectivity through remote play and you just made a portable PS4, or PS3 with PSNOW compatibility

Honestly, an XPlay 2 is a cash cow for Sony, but oh well.

Hopefully Apple mentions something about gaming on the iPhone again. I bet that'll spark a fire under them!
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: Miles Wolf on June 16, 2016, 12:21:56 pm

Exactly! Their phones haven't been making them anymore than what a Xplay 2 would do on its own. If they are worried about the Vita, then make it a Vita phone built using Xplay architecture. Slide out 5 inch screen with the quad core same as the Vita, running android heavily skinned with Vita style GUI, like Touchwiz does for Samsung. They already have the know how to make a quality system. With that, they have 3 potential markets, Android gamers, smartphone, and Vita gamers. Throw in 4G PS4 connectivity through remote play and you just made a portable PS4, or PS3 with PSNOW compatibility

Honestly, an XPlay 2 is a cash cow for Sony, but oh well.

Hopefully Apple mentions something about gaming on the iPhone again. I bet that'll spark a fire under them!

A cash cow? Lol. If it was true, we would had seen the XPeria Play 2 already.

3 markets you say?

- Android gamers: this is the group that aimed the Xperia Play, and it's what made it a failure.
- Smartphone users: if you want a normal smartphone you will not buy a gaming phone.
- Vita players: yes, the same that made the Vita a complete "success".
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on June 16, 2016, 02:11:07 pm

Exactly! Their phones haven't been making them anymore than what a Xplay 2 would do on its own. If they are worried about the Vita, then make it a Vita phone built using Xplay architecture. Slide out 5 inch screen with the quad core same as the Vita, running android heavily skinned with Vita style GUI, like Touchwiz does for Samsung. They already have the know how to make a quality system. With that, they have 3 potential markets, Android gamers, smartphone, and Vita gamers. Throw in 4G PS4 connectivity through remote play and you just made a portable PS4, or PS3 with PSNOW compatibility

Honestly, an XPlay 2 is a cash cow for Sony, but oh well.

Hopefully Apple mentions something about gaming on the iPhone again. I bet that'll spark a fire under them!

A cash cow? Lol. If it was true, we would had seen the XPeria Play 2 already.

3 markets you say?

- Android gamers: this is the group that aimed the Xperia Play, and it's what made it a failure.
- Smartphone users: if you want a normal smartphone you will not buy a gaming phone.
- Vita players: yes, the same that made the Vita a complete "success".

True, the android gaming phone market is a pit that many have fallen, from N-Gage down to W3D.
For Xperia Play, it was already lacking support due to the Vita. However, Xplay had some excellent 3rd party support from devs making Xplay compatible games. Between the Vita, and the break up of Sony and Ericsson, I think the Xplay became the bastard step child of Sony. While there are many details, including the hack of the Sony built emulator for PS1 games, I feel even though the Xplay was deemed a failure, it showed the potential for the market.

As for regular smartphone users, they haven't lived until they have used analog controls on a game like slither.io, lol! But while most won't buy a gaming phone for their normal smartphone, the market is where younger buyers are concerned. Most kids have a smartphone they play games on, so this can be an alternative for them. Albeit most kids nowadays are privy to the touch screen and really don't need physical controls, some android games, mostly console quality titles, require, or highly recommend controls. So while the potential is small, there is some there.

Here is where Sony comes in, since the Vita is their system, they can easily make a slide out Vita slim, but with a port to play Vita games, so they maintain the Vita crowd. Since it's a Sony phone, they maintain a remnant of the Sony phone crowd, all while pushing the brand to probably otherwise uninterested people. Now, if running Android, unless they did something similar as they did with the PS3 for PS2 playback, they would have to have a emulator built, which would probably be hacked in the same way the Xplay was due to the open system architecture of Android. So that would be the hurdle to overcome. I haven't thought of anything yet.

I guess from my want of a gaming phone, naming the market a Cash cow for Sony is a bit of an overstatement. However, they have the backing to make it one if they were to actually try it out. With just the small Xplay push, there was over 1000 games Xplay compatible, and Xplay specially made games.

It seems like the best way to make money from a gaming phone is hardware sales, but that would mean releasing with dated hardware, in which, like the W3D, would be hated by the community due to the device being under powered.

At this moment, I'd take that! LOL! Underpowered, but as long as everything works on it, that'll be good. It is a niche device after all, perfection is not expected.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: siegel17701 on June 20, 2016, 12:49:17 am
Sony failed big time not making the Vita a phone. It takes a sim card. You can use Skype on it. The should have bit the pride bullet and at least let you use Google Hangouts.

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Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: shinkamui on June 23, 2016, 06:18:21 am
Sony completely abandoned the vita.  It wouldn't make a lot of sense ot make a vita phone today if they're not pumping games out.  During the xperia play days, they could easily have written a psp emulator that ran downloadable titles, but its a bad move on a platform you can't fully control from the perspective of protecting IP.  The playstation one emulator was basically a dead platform that they could collect some nastalgia dollars off of and look at how quickly it was repurposed to run anything you wanted once the play was rooted.  Putting any of their current markets in that kind of danger wouldn't be a smart long term financial decision, so its pretty obvious why they aren't making a crossover platform for fans.  If they made a completely proprietary vita phone that ran a sony grown OS and they could secure their signing keys and chain of trust from the top to bottom, they would be pushing into a worse situation than microsoft and their phone market.  No one would develop apps for the market because its not worth the investment based on the total userbase, and no one would buy it because there are no apps.  A handful of you would buy it, but probably quickly realize its not sufficient as your daily phone platform as it lacks EVERYTHING you're used to.  This is probably why we still have only dedicated handhelds for gaming coming from these companies.
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DrROBschiz on June 23, 2016, 02:12:33 pm
Sony completely abandoned the vita.  It wouldn't make a lot of sense ot make a vita phone today if they're not pumping games out.  During the xperia play days, they could easily have written a psp emulator that ran downloadable titles, but its a bad move on a platform you can't fully control from the perspective of protecting IP.  The playstation one emulator was basically a dead platform that they could collect some nastalgia dollars off of and look at how quickly it was repurposed to run anything you wanted once the play was rooted.  Putting any of their current markets in that kind of danger wouldn't be a smart long term financial decision, so its pretty obvious why they aren't making a crossover platform for fans.  If they made a completely proprietary vita phone that ran a sony grown OS and they could secure their signing keys and chain of trust from the top to bottom, they would be pushing into a worse situation than microsoft and their phone market.  No one would develop apps for the market because its not worth the investment based on the total userbase, and no one would buy it because there are no apps.  A handful of you would buy it, but probably quickly realize its not sufficient as your daily phone platform as it lacks EVERYTHING you're used to.  This is probably why we still have only dedicated handhelds for gaming coming from these companies.

Yup this is pretty much the reality of the situation

So really our only hope is that some company picks up the torch on Android that doesnt give a flying fuck about emulation and such on Android

Snail.... you were close
Title: Re: Anyone else excited for the w3D?
Post by: DroidX2 on June 25, 2016, 06:54:19 pm
It seems the only way would be to make money from hardware alone, which I'm sure is not a risk any business is willing to take. They would have to make the device using pre-2014 hardware at best, similar to Snail. But then there's still promotions, updates, and probably plenty of tech support for people not knowing how to set up the buttons on non-controller compatible games. Plus, depending on the look of the device, it will narrow down the market. Whereas a person of business could get away with an Xperia play, but not a W3D.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough about a gaming phone that can entice investors. Unless we get a gamer billionaire to fund the development because he or she wants one personally and decides to spread the joy.