Author Topic: Is the Dodo going the way of the Dingoo...?  (Read 4342 times)

Trevor Belomont

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Is the Dodo going the way of the Dingoo...?
« on: August 21, 2012, 07:52:49 am »
(this could be in a more fitting location, and if so, mods, feel free to relocate it...)

I've noticed that amongst many gamers, of all ages, both the open-sourced and flashcard familiar variety, that gamers (and even some developers) seem to be losing interest in the Dingoo family of handhelds.
(perhaps even other earlier generation, open-sourced handhelds (circa 2009, around the time of the A320's advent).

This i'm sure is due to many reasons, wich i will refrain from going into in-depth at this time, as that could easily fill a paperback novel i'm sure (and why aren't there more books out there about interesting subjects like these anyway?), but, and i could be wrong, it seems to me, as is even evident in the slowly diminishing posts on this site even, the mighty Dingoonity, wich helped breathe new life into something once wonderful, unique and new, but has since seemingly become, so much more over time...

I guess what i would like to know, from other Dingoo fans, is do you feel the same way, or do you disagree and why or why not...?
« Last Edit: September 27, 2012, 08:25:55 am by Turkish »

fosamax

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Re: Is the Dingoo going the way of the dodo...?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 09:22:08 am »
I have the same exact feeling. My dingoo is still not dead and i really think that it was pretty good purchase 2 or 3 years ago but the original dingoo's scene is probably dying now.

I've seen with a lot of interest the arrival of the dingoo emulator packs (by lion_rsm), which brought us something that i really like for any gaming system : unity.
It's great to have a solid gui with the same look and feel over the different emulators.
It's quite sure now that lion_srm has gone and that we should not hold our breathe, waiting for an hypothetical dingoopce.sim.
The source code has gone also and it makes me sad.

What I would have liked to happen (and that will probably never come) :
- improved gba emu for native (with a nice gui and more vibrant colors)
- fba for native (could replace cps1, cps2, neogeo and mame emu); it may come for opendingux.
- cd support for megadrive/genesis emu (native or opendingux)
- new pce emu for native (with cd support)

In fact, i was really waiting for opendingux and i was a bit disapointed. Maybe the wait was too long or i was expecting too much.
The fact is i was hoping to get something really slick and polished and that's not the case.
There's a lot of graphics glitch in gmenu2x.
You can't edit easily sections.
And there's no unity at all betweem applications and emu.
Opendingux could probably be something great but it needs an active scene. Maybe the GCW Zero will make better use of it.

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Re: Is the Dingoo going the way of the dodo...?
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2012, 07:10:48 am »
I've seen with a lot of interest the arrival of the dingoo emulator packs (by lion_rsm), which brought us something that i really like for any gaming system : unity.
It's great to have a solid gui with the same look and feel over the different emulators.

A big +1 to the above.

The Dingoo died a long time ago, but my A320 is still ticking along and receiving daily use. I got lucky and scored it brand new for $50 from a shop that was closing down and clearing stock, BEST $50 I've ever spent.

I don't think I will bother getting another device, as the A320 still serves my needs well and the current range of Android devices aren't really doing it for me.

The GCW is the next best contender but I'm not comfortable with having to pre-order one, so will wait for an official release. Would also like to see the OS and emulators in more depth, as if it's not streamlined than I probably won't bother with it.

Trevor Belomont

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Re: Is the Dingoo going the way of the dodo...?
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2012, 09:07:10 am »
I feel the same way about my Dingoo A320(s).

I just wish that Dingoo Tech, Gemei, or whoever is producing them now, would release an actual, higher quality build, or maybe even take the software build of the A320, and just add to it, so that it could run more powerful emulators, such as PSX/N64, or just improve performance of the emulators that are already available ...

I daydream about those guys at least just releasing improved, higher quality, shell casings that would fit the old A320 motherboard and innards. Something an A320 owner could remove their old shell casing and easily replace with the newly produced one.

I imagine this new shell casing could be something along the quality of around say, the Gameboy Advance.

Just a little side tangent prattling...


Trevor Belomont

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Re: Is the Dingoo going the way of the dodo...?
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2012, 06:19:12 am »
The following is a post by "Dantheman1119", from the dingoo unnofficial english support site.
Not trying to throw anyone under the bus, just thought it would make for some interesting reading to share with the remaining Dingoo crowd here. Take a gander:
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Dantheman1119:
Well, Dingoo was never really...big, was it? At least, not to me it wasn't. I'll always suggest it to my friends, but they have no clue what I'm talking about.

Some reasons it's declining (IMO)

1. Price. You can get one as "cheap" as 70, where other sites, it's more around the 100 mark.

2. Emulators. Yes, I know, it has great NES, SNES, GBA, GB and GBC emulators, and a bunch more (I just don't feel like writing them all) but if people can get that on the computer anyway, plus GameCube, N64 and DS, then why bother with the Dingoo?

3. It's rare. The only place I can think that you can get it that is relatively known is ThinkGeek. And it's usually never in stock. They had, at one point, a lot of them, and that (along with Ashens's review of it (look it up if you haven't seen it yet.)) was one of the many reasons why I got one, but since they don't have it...

4. People have no clue what an emulator is. They look at a product description and it says something like, "play all of your favorite classic games with emulation!" then they fall into three types of people: 1. They scratch their head and wonder what emulation is. 2. They "know" that emulation is illegal. and 3. They say, "wow! that's amazing, where can I get one?" A lot of Dingoo-users probably fell into Category 3. A lot of my friends who don't know squat about stuff like this fall into Category 1 and everyone else is 2.

Those are my reasons for Dingoo's declining popularity. I really don't want to to become Super Ultra Mega Rare 64. (wait, what?)
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ME:
I have to agree with you on some of those aspects, but i feel the reason it was never "big", as in part of the popular, videogaming mainstream, is mostly due to it being "illegal" (and all things like that, are basically illegal (c'mon, no one owns 4+gb of game cartridges, at least not enough people to justify the marketing of such devices legally).

Let's face it, we will never see anything near this f-ing cool on store shelves...why? Money, marketing, big profits (and "legalities", China doesn't follow the rules. i like China... :)

The mainstream is structured on selling to customers a videogaming console (or handheld console in these cases), that they know will generate tons more income through their game sales and third party licenses, per individual game cartridge, card, disc, whatever the medium.

As far as technological knowledge, you're right on that, there are so many people that see clicking and dragging media files as technological wizardry, or "hacking". Yes, it takes some work sometimes on consoles such as the Dingoo A320, but despite that, it's basically just a souped up MP3 player that specializes in retro-videogame emulation. Problem is, most people nowadays don't know how (or are to lazy or uninterested in) to do very much for themselves, sadly, its the way we are brought up in society, for the most part... Nowadays, we have specialists for everything from washing our cars to telling us what's wrong with us when we get "sick", i feel it's a dependancy issue.

I don't mean to come off so much as preaching philosophy, but think about it, only the really smart people nowadys know how to do more than go to work, pay our bills, hygiene, get the kids off to school and then hit the reset button to get ready for another day.

But yeah man, i think the Dingoo family, well the A320 at least, is actualy VERY popular (or was at least) online, as Dingoonity and other Dingoo dedicated sites are proof of. In 2009, THE open-sourced handheld to own was the Dingoo A320, and depending on your hardcore, retro emulation needs, hobbies, interests and emulation standards, it still may be, depending on who you ask.

Like most open-sourced/hacked/flash card enabled systems out there, software development seems to rise, level off and then die off as something(s) new emerge to take the limelight. In this case, it looks like there are so many more than just one or two new kinds of emulating wonders, with the Android devices, smart phones, other open-sourced handhelds, the DS system flashcards, even the PS Vita has been getting some attention. It actually says alot about a chinese handhels like the Dingoo A320, to still be getting ANY attention anymore, in the face of so many adversities.

I will always have one by my side though, and i still troubleshoot, upgrade and re-sell them in my town just for kicks, because let's face it, there's just too much fun you can pack into these little bastards. Haha!

I could write a book on these kinds of subjects, as i find them highly interesting, but i will stop for now...unless someone wants me to write one... :D

Now THAT, would be a fun little read... "Dingoo A320: The rise, prosperity and decline of the littlest handheld that could..."
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Re: Is the Dingoo going the way of the dodo...?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 01:45:05 pm »
Unfortunately, one could say, there is progress. I donīt know how this looks from a developerīs point of view, but progress offers more possibilities, and people tend to look and discuss out the possibilities of new things, so they naturally gather around announced new things, and constructively argue less about the past.
That said, the Dingoo for me is the handheld I have with me most of my journeys, which I found is most versatile, affordable, reliable, and where Iīve had most fun in setting everything up (Dingux etc). In fact, for me it paved the way to Linux emulation gaming.
Before the A320 I only had a DS lite for handheld emulation. The Dingoo made me explore the GP2X and Pandora. I would never have thought of them if the A320 had not been there as a great affordable and easy on-the-go emulation beginnerīs handheld. Dingoo is number 1 choice still for my daily commuting, mainly for its size, battery life and variety it offers. That said from someone who has no smartphone.
I hope they are going to market and produce it a few more years. As a gamer I wonīt abandon it until it goes to pieces.

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Re: Is the Dingoo going the way of the dodo...?
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 01:18:32 am »
For me I think the Dingoo(outside some minor tweaks) has done all it can do. The next step has to be more powerful hardware. Both sides of the Dingoo/Gemei Companies have released their version of a successor. However neither were really a step up from the A320 or gained acceptance. I'd love a true Dingoo successor but it seems unlikely. The closest thing seems to be the GCW Zero. Whilst it seems the horsepower has been improved enough to take the next step for emulation(Psx and N64), the hardware controls are always going to be limiting.

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Re: Is the Dodo going the way of the Dingoo...?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2014, 08:08:51 pm »
I love A320 but I sold mine recently.
It's a great system to carry on but I'm looking for more now.
I never liked A320 screen but it had a great battery and i used mostly for mp3 or playing Megadrive (Sega Genesis).
As I can do it in other devices like my smartphone, tablet or ipad there's no need to keep it anymore.

 

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