Author Topic: SMACH Z Official Post  (Read 12007 times)

AVahne

  • *
  • Posts: 487
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2016, 04:15:28 am »

Hi AVahne!

You'll be able to connect an external keyboard through micro USB (or USB with an adapter) or bluetooth! Also, as i said above, we're working on an external kick stand that will contain more connections.

We think of SMACH Z as a handheld console. For us, a keyboard means going backwards on that portable design. So the accessories attached to the device depends on the player.

Thanks for you support!

Ah, well I admire you for sticking to your guns. Considering your project may actually be coming along and becoming a reality, unlike the PGS, I sincerely wish you the best of luck!
 
I won't be buying one though.

jono.brain

  • *
  • Posts: 25
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2016, 08:36:42 am »
Just backed it, can't wait.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


SONY

  • ***
  • Posts: 1352
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2016, 11:41:08 am »
Spanish :(
SONY PS3
SONY PS4 Slim
SONY PS4 Pro

GPD XD

csweldon

Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2016, 03:04:26 pm »
I hope Smach releases AMD Zen APU and DDR4-3400mhz RAM modules when they become available.  The performance gains would be pretty big!

SONY

  • ***
  • Posts: 1352
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2016, 03:34:12 pm »
@SMACHER

Have you read the below?

I would be a lot happier if they had gone with a Stoney Ridge APU. This only has 2 cores, 192 shaders, and a single DDR4 channel- much more capable of fitting into a handheld device.

For context, I own a Dell Venue 11 Pro tablet with a Haswell APU in it. This is a 22nm part (more efficient than AMD's 28nm parts), and even with active cooling it still throttles like crazy as soon as I start playing games on it.

my thoughts exactly, sent them this email...
Quote
I have been studying APUs for a while now and I feel I can conclude
that the current choice of APU might be a bad move.
The RX-421BD is the embedded version of the FX-8800P and even though
it is a powerful APU, it'll be severely TDP limited in a handheld
formfactor. From my testing with a larger laptop with active cooling,
the same APU constantly throttles to ~1.1GHz (CPU) in
multithreaded/GPU heavy workloads.
I am not an engineer but even I must point out the fact that even
Nvidia's Shield Handheld console had active cooling with a TDP
probably half of the RX-421BD.
This isn't to say that you guys are mistaken in making this product,
as a matter of fact, I truly hope you guys succeed! However it has to
be more right than wrong the first time around. Thus I propose this
APU:
http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/APU/AMD-A-Series-Processors/AMD-A6-Series-APU-for-Laptops/7th-Gen-A6-9210-APU/199

The reason this APU is more suitable in my opinion is due to it's dual
cores. Most games currently and the ones most likely to be played
smoothly on a 15W APU are still predominantly single threaded. So
having an APU with with more TDP headroom dedicated to higher CPU
frequency as opposed to more CPU cores might make a difference in
experience.

I would love to know why the top spec APU was chosen and how you guys
will gonna deal with the heat. I did read the kickstarter but I just
can't believe that passive cooling will suffice.

I'm a big apu fan and I try to blog about all things APU,
APUsilicon.com. I know it doesn't say much but I hope it shows that I
am sincerely hopeful about this product. Don't let me down.

Your sincerely,
Earl Cameron (monstercameron)
APUsilicon.com
« Last Edit: November 12, 2016, 03:35:55 pm by SONY »
SONY PS3
SONY PS4 Slim
SONY PS4 Pro

GPD XD

leafar

Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2016, 05:28:24 pm »
@SMACHER

Have you read the below?

I would be a lot happier if they had gone with a Stoney Ridge APU. This only has 2 cores, 192 shaders, and a single DDR4 channel- much more capable of fitting into a handheld device.

For context, I own a Dell Venue 11 Pro tablet with a Haswell APU in it. This is a 22nm part (more efficient than AMD's 28nm parts), and even with active cooling it still throttles like crazy as soon as I start playing games on it.

my thoughts exactly, sent them this email...
Quote
I have been studying APUs for a while now and I feel I can conclude
that the current choice of APU might be a bad move.
The RX-421BD is the embedded version of the FX-8800P and even though
it is a powerful APU, it'll be severely TDP limited in a handheld
formfactor. From my testing with a larger laptop with active cooling,
the same APU constantly throttles to ~1.1GHz (CPU) in
multithreaded/GPU heavy workloads.
I am not an engineer but even I must point out the fact that even
Nvidia's Shield Handheld console had active cooling with a TDP
probably half of the RX-421BD.
This isn't to say that you guys are mistaken in making this product,
as a matter of fact, I truly hope you guys succeed! However it has to
be more right than wrong the first time around. Thus I propose this
APU:
http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/APU/AMD-A-Series-Processors/AMD-A6-Series-APU-for-Laptops/7th-Gen-A6-9210-APU/199

The reason this APU is more suitable in my opinion is due to it's dual
cores. Most games currently and the ones most likely to be played
smoothly on a 15W APU are still predominantly single threaded. So
having an APU with with more TDP headroom dedicated to higher CPU
frequency as opposed to more CPU cores might make a difference in
experience.

I would love to know why the top spec APU was chosen and how you guys
will gonna deal with the heat. I did read the kickstarter but I just
can't believe that passive cooling will suffice.

I'm a big apu fan and I try to blog about all things APU,
APUsilicon.com. I know it doesn't say much but I hope it shows that I
am sincerely hopeful about this product. Don't let me down.

Your sincerely,
Earl Cameron (monstercameron)
APUsilicon.com
Spanish
For the next device, i think is to soon to talk about it. OEM dont have the examples,will see

csweldon

Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2016, 01:28:59 pm »
@SMACHER If heat is an issue, SmachTeam has stated that they'll add a fan to the design to reduce temps further.  We can also disable 2 of the cores to further reduce heat and power consumption, while still having the benefit of a better GPU.  You obviously have more knowledge on the subject than I do, so I'll defer to your expertise.  Would these solutions be of any merit?

SMACHER (OP)

  • *
  • Posts: 11
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2016, 01:16:16 am »
@SMACHER

Have you read the below?

I would be a lot happier if they had gone with a Stoney Ridge APU. This only has 2 cores, 192 shaders, and a single DDR4 channel- much more capable of fitting into a handheld device.

For context, I own a Dell Venue 11 Pro tablet with a Haswell APU in it. This is a 22nm part (more efficient than AMD's 28nm parts), and even with active cooling it still throttles like crazy as soon as I start playing games on it.

my thoughts exactly, sent them this email...
Quote
I have been studying APUs for a while now and I feel I can conclude
that the current choice of APU might be a bad move.
The RX-421BD is the embedded version of the FX-8800P and even though
it is a powerful APU, it'll be severely TDP limited in a handheld
formfactor. From my testing with a larger laptop with active cooling,
the same APU constantly throttles to ~1.1GHz (CPU) in
multithreaded/GPU heavy workloads.
I am not an engineer but even I must point out the fact that even
Nvidia's Shield Handheld console had active cooling with a TDP
probably half of the RX-421BD.
This isn't to say that you guys are mistaken in making this product,
as a matter of fact, I truly hope you guys succeed! However it has to
be more right than wrong the first time around. Thus I propose this
APU:
http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/APU/AMD-A-Series-Processors/AMD-A6-Series-APU-for-Laptops/7th-Gen-A6-9210-APU/199

The reason this APU is more suitable in my opinion is due to it's dual
cores. Most games currently and the ones most likely to be played
smoothly on a 15W APU are still predominantly single threaded. So
having an APU with with more TDP headroom dedicated to higher CPU
frequency as opposed to more CPU cores might make a difference in
experience.

I would love to know why the top spec APU was chosen and how you guys
will gonna deal with the heat. I did read the kickstarter but I just
can't believe that passive cooling will suffice.

I'm a big apu fan and I try to blog about all things APU,
APUsilicon.com. I know it doesn't say much but I hope it shows that I
am sincerely hopeful about this product. Don't let me down.

Your sincerely,
Earl Cameron (monstercameron)
APUsilicon.com
Spanish
For the next device, i think is to soon to talk about it. OEM dont have the examples,will see

Hi!

After studying and analyzing the decision with the group of engineers, that was our best initial option to meet the expectations of the product. There are plenty of chips availables, and the technology that offered AMD seems balanced and adequate. In anyway and thanks to the clickarm technology, we are not closed to try other chips options in the short term, that's one of the big pros of this product.

Thanks for your feedback, we take note and learn a lot through it.

SMACHER (OP)

  • *
  • Posts: 11
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2016, 01:31:30 am »
@SMACHER If heat is an issue, SmachTeam has stated that they'll add a fan to the design to reduce temps further.  We can also disable 2 of the cores to further reduce heat and power consumption, while still having the benefit of a better GPU.  You obviously have more knowledge on the subject than I do, so I'll defer to your expertise.  Would these solutions be of any merit?

Hello!

The temperature will not be a problem. SMACH Team is more than aware of that (they're receiving a lot of feedback from backers asking about it), and thay said that if the device need an internal fan or several vents, the design allows to do it.

They're going to test it more time, and then decide about that issue (if it is an issue). So, one way or another, they'll fix it if they need to, so don't worry about that, they've plenty of options (all valid) to do so.

Thanks for your support.

NTMBK

Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2016, 10:09:59 am »
Hello!

The temperature will not be a problem. SMACH Team is more than aware of that (they're receiving a lot of feedback from backers asking about it), and thay said that if the device need an internal fan or several vents, the design allows to do it.

They're going to test it more time, and then decide about that issue (if it is an issue). So, one way or another, they'll fix it if they need to, so don't worry about that, they've plenty of options (all valid) to do so.

Thanks for your support.

It's a 15W part. You're going to need vents and probably a fan, there's no way around it.

monstercameron

Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2016, 02:04:55 pm »
Hello!

The temperature will not be a problem. SMACH Team is more than aware of that (they're receiving a lot of feedback from backers asking about it), and thay said that if the device need an internal fan or several vents, the design allows to do it.

They're going to test it more time, and then decide about that issue (if it is an issue). So, one way or another, they'll fix it if they need to, so don't worry about that, they've plenty of options (all valid) to do so.

Thanks for your support.

It's a 15W part. You're going to need vents and probably a fan, there's no way around it.
Exactly, I don't mean to be confrontational but this is from a laptop with a lower end BR APu even after TDP throttling it is still drinking 25-30W

https://youtu.be/dJANwwHfQN4

Now imagine 2 more compute units and you can see that it'll need :
Active cooling
Large 40+Whr battery
Lower end but decent APU

SONY

  • ***
  • Posts: 1352
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2016, 07:32:41 pm »
SMACH Z > GPD Win
SONY PS3
SONY PS4 Slim
SONY PS4 Pro

GPD XD

SONY

  • ***
  • Posts: 1352
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2016, 05:49:17 am »
Approximately 10 hours to go...

So far, almost half a million US dollars (about $490,000) has been pledged :)
« Last Edit: November 19, 2016, 05:51:10 am by SONY »
SONY PS3
SONY PS4 Slim
SONY PS4 Pro

GPD XD

leafar

Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2016, 06:30:57 pm »
just only the begining, i want you the Samachteam keep us up to date,les rolling.

SONY

  • ***
  • Posts: 1352
Re: SMACH Z Official Post
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2016, 10:46:18 pm »
It's all over now!!
Over half a million dollars was pledged...US $502, 456 to exact, which equals 474, 530 :)
SONY PS3
SONY PS4 Slim
SONY PS4 Pro

GPD XD

 

Post a new topic