Author Topic: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter  (Read 17137 times)

leafar

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2016, 11:34:14 pm »
thanks

MOFO

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Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2016, 07:15:59 am »
more info about the cpu : "We are not using Polaris or Zen. SMACH Z will use AMD Merlin Falcon and AMD Prairie Falcon families. Since they have been already announced by AMD, this time we will be able to share benchmark and more details in the next Kickstarter campaign"

I know nothing about these APU'S so in your opinion which one is a good fit and what kind of performance can we expect?
Do you guys think it would perform better than the X7 8750?

chip

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Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2016, 09:50:33 pm »
Those are 6-15W chips.  So at best, they're going to eat through batteries 3x faster than a cherry trail SoC.  They would have to be insane to stick such a power-hungry chip in a handheld device.

golgolt

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2016, 06:38:58 pm »
more news from their facebook :
https://www.facebook.com/SMACHZ

Hi Smachers,

Thanks for the good vibes and feedback after our return announcement. Many of you have sent us questions about the project and we’d like to update you on the most important information:

- We’ll offer Windows 10 support as a low stretch goal in the next campaign.
- During the Kickstarter campaign we will show benchmarks of the final SOC. We will use the AMD Falcon SOC family.
- We’re also considering adding phone capabilities to the PRO version, but it’d be a very high stretch goal since it’s not easy nor the main focus of the device.
- Ditto for Android support; it’s an extra that we will consider as a high stretch goal, but it’s not a priority.
- The price and the rest of the specs will remain the same as the previous campaign.
- We’re working to expedite production to deliver it to backers earlier than expected (February-March 2017), but we can’t confirm it yet.
- The prototype will be black, as you can see in the image below. It won’t be white like the previous WIP photo.
- The prototype is not the same as the final console, just a first demo version; It’s bigger (with a 6” screen), it's not the final device form (we are going to refine it for the best possible experience), and it doesn’t have the final SoC (so it’s less powerful). Nevertheless, it gives a good idea of what the SMACH Z will be.

We hope this clarifies your main concerns. Please feel free to send new questions and proposals to our Facebook or Kickstarter page.

Thank you!
SMACH Team

Faust

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Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2016, 06:40:12 pm »
20.000maH battery?

golgolt

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2016, 06:57:10 pm »
20.000maH battery?

i just asked them the battery capacity, if they answer i will post it!

Faust

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Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2016, 07:04:54 pm »
20.000maH battery?

i just asked them the battery capacity, if they answer i will post it!
It was a bad joke, sorry

golgolt

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2016, 07:19:21 pm »
20.000maH battery?

i just asked them the battery capacity, if they answer i will post it!
It was a bad joke, sorry

i knew but for the SOC i hoped they'll put a really good battery between 6000 and 10000 maH will be great!

PS: sorry for my poor english :D

golgolt

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2016, 07:44:32 pm »
I was looking for more infos about the SOC "AMD Falcon SOC family" on the web, it seem to have R5, R6 or R7 integrated graphics, so do you think we will have something like that :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVVWgv0rMJU doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUNgdSMiClE metro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-fZ0c2MtM metro last light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvUu-MHZxMg witcher 3

it not really powerfull but not too bad

MOFO

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Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2016, 08:59:14 pm »
Unless we learn exactly what APU they use its hard to tell but I doubt it will be the R7.
So far it looks a good, it should outperform the z8700 in the GPD Win, I think.

maarten12100

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2016, 03:03:19 am »
Is there any benchmark of this AMD SoC? Wondering if it can handle Dolphin and PS2 emulation but I doubt.
It's Temash/Kabini so I can say for sure that PS2 emulation will only run for a few titles. And Dolphin will only run a few GC titles in DX12 mode (though I'm not sure GCN 1.0 gpu even supports it)

The should honestly change the SoC hell they could use Carrizo if they wanted to go AMD so badly. Using Kabini is just being cheap this is a SoC that is from 2012-2013 time frame. Why not use Beema instead...?

I fear this is too early they should've waited for a Zen SoC or gone with a Intel SoC perhaps.

Those are 6-15W chips.  So at best, they're going to eat through batteries 3x faster than a cherry trail SoC.  They would have to be insane to stick such a power-hungry chip in a handheld device.
Actually AMD (actually prototypes are outsourced) made prototypes with similar chips in tablets. Cherry trail is far more efficient however since this piece of 2012 tech is just that. (flippin old)

This SoC is the successor to Bobcat based designs it is going to be pretty awful by today's standards. And yes they have the same jaguar cores as the PS4 and Xbone. (do you think that is a good thing?!)

The lack of efficiency and performance is going to be made up by other things such as good input drivers, controls, screen, battery (just a big one) and ergonomics. I think they won't succeed if they start out with parts that are so bad.
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NTMBK

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2016, 08:34:16 am »
The Falcon SoC is not a Kabini derivative. It has 2 AMD Excavator cores (derived from Bulldozer), DDR4, and 128-256 GPU cores. More details at http://www.anandtech.com/show/10083/amd-expands-g-series-embedded-socs-with-excavator-microarchitecture They probably will use the 128 shader part with single channel memory, to fit it into a handheld.

Could be an interesting part- better single thread performance than Atom, though worse multithread performance. Kind of like an x86 version of the Tegra K1.

maarten12100

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2016, 03:07:40 pm »
The Falcon SoC is not a Kabini derivative. It has 2 AMD Excavator cores (derived from Bulldozer), DDR4, and 128-256 GPU cores. More details at http://www.anandtech.com/show/10083/amd-expands-g-series-embedded-socs-with-excavator-microarchitecture They probably will use the 128 shader part with single channel memory, to fit it into a handheld.

Could be an interesting part- better single thread performance than Atom, though worse multithread performance. Kind of like an x86 version of the Tegra K1.
It says Steppe eagle and Jaguar cores on their Kickstarter page. How great would kaby lake core M (or the 4,5W i5 and i7) be in this device!
Nothing on their site about it being anything than Steppe Eagle as far as I can see.
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NTMBK

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2016, 03:15:40 pm »
The Falcon SoC is not a Kabini derivative. It has 2 AMD Excavator cores (derived from Bulldozer), DDR4, and 128-256 GPU cores. More details at http://www.anandtech.com/show/10083/amd-expands-g-series-embedded-socs-with-excavator-microarchitecture They probably will use the 128 shader part with single channel memory, to fit it into a handheld.

Could be an interesting part- better single thread performance than Atom, though worse multithread performance. Kind of like an x86 version of the Tegra K1.
It says Steppe eagle and Jaguar cores on their Kickstarter page. How great would kaby lake core M (or the 4,5W i5 and i7) be in this device!

That was the old prototype. Remember how during the original campaign they alluded to a "future AMD SoC" they weren't allowed to talk about? This is it.

A Kabylake/Skylake chip could be cool- I would like to see a part with a single Skylake core, to give more headroom for the GPU. I suspect costs would be too high though.

maarten12100

Re: SMACH Z (first steam handheld machine) is on Kickstarter
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2016, 04:39:23 pm »
That was the old prototype. Remember how during the original campaign they alluded to a "future AMD SoC" they weren't allowed to talk about? This is it.

A Kabylake/Skylake chip could be cool- I would like to see a part with a single Skylake core, to give more headroom for the GPU. I suspect costs would be too high though.
I sure hope some Excavator part or even a Zen part makes it into the final device.
I think a big core Intel solution is possible if they can move a big volume of them. The Intel core M compute sticks for example start at 250-300 euros and laptops with core M start at 600 euros.
A 400-500 euro portable on high volume doesn't sound impossible since things like a 720P/1080P 5 inch screen are not expensive nor is a 4G modem, battery and injection molded case.

But it's just a dream of mine. A single Skylake core that can boost very high as you suggested may be very good for emulation though it may give some problems with games. Apparently some games no longer run on dual core chips already. (those are too heavy to play on these mobile chips usually so it doesn't matter that much)

 

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