Author Topic: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!  (Read 55922 times)

leafar

Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2016, 02:23:32 pm »
Good work Vic
Getting two player one keyboard and the other one with second screen, So we can choose,definitely I will wait for this one,looks perfect to me and upgradeable options is far better,crossing my fingers on this.
So Denoox doesn't said nothing yet about this device,lets see.

Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2016, 03:39:21 pm »
If it does to fruition , I'd say they will increase the price.
The real question here is by much. I think we can all agree that the GPD Win is overpriced at $300 compared to what it offers, and the only way they can get away with that price is by it being the only device in the market.
So is this worth $300? $350? Raising the price by $50 can alter drastically the quality of both the device and its components. It might be possible they'll sell it at $250, the same price of very powerful Android phones which also have superfluous features (fingerprint scanner, extremely high quality cameras, IR, custom ROM, etc.).

I'd also like to state that they've acknowledged the existence of the Pandora, Pyra and the GPD Win but haven't made any direct comparisons to them. Again, this is supporting the hypothesis that this isn't a scam - most scams present a better device (via direct comparisons, rather than just standalone data) at the same price range.

bamboori

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2016, 06:50:48 pm »
as a multi screen user, i do quite like the idea of two screens. i could do the same kind of multitasking what i am doing on my tower pc that way


edit: by the way, did you see and mention of rumble? would be great for a lot of games.
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vcoleiro1

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2016, 12:14:57 am »

I'd also like to state that they've acknowledged the existence of the Pandora, Pyra and the GPD Win but haven't made any direct comparisons to them. Again, this is supporting the hypothesis that this isn't a scam - most scams present a better device (via direct comparisons, rather than just standalone data) at the same price range.

Well they did make this interesting comparison with the GPD WIN

"Although GPD WIN their first device on Windows, we have no doubt in their success. But unfortunately, in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory. We wish them luck and hope that they will reconsider their choice about 8500."

siegel17701

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2016, 12:23:58 am »
When is this supposed to be released?

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2016, 01:00:06 am »
Well they did make this interesting comparison with the GPD WIN

"Although GPD WIN their first device on Windows, we have no doubt in their success. But unfortunately, in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory. We wish them luck and hope that they will reconsider their choice about 8500."
True, but it was only because you asked specifically about those devices. They don't show this in any marketing material, which was my original intention.

Also, Intel's high-end chips tend to be miles ahead of their mid-end chips (which are closer to the lower end). While I don't have specific data because the -trail CPUs are foreign to me, it hits all the right notes.

vcoleiro1

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2016, 04:48:05 am »
I thought their comment was more about the difference dual channel memory makes.  Actually , I was hoping someone who knew more on the topic would comment on their claim about it

Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2016, 10:26:04 am »
Dual channel memory dictates memory access rates. If you're running an algorithm that takes 50 KBs of storage (for example), the dual-channel RAM won't make a difference - but as most current day applications (such as games, or internet browsing) are memory intensive, the faster you can get access to all the data the better you are.

But I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to the fact that i3 (low end) generally only has Hyper Threading, meaning it can run 2 threads on the same core simultaneously. i5 only has Turbo Boost, which is a sort of temporary OC. i7 has both, and can therefore utilize the faster RAM access far better than other processors in the series.

I don't know how much of it applies to the Atom chipset, but assuming it's the same their data doesn't raise any conflicts.

ARKX

Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2016, 11:23:17 am »
In their youtube channel, they said:
We going to release at 2016Q4. 230-260$ (Lite-Hardcore)

vcoleiro1

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2016, 11:35:47 am »
If everyone holds true, the later half of this year is going to be very busy.

ie the GPD WIN, Pyra and PGS all would come out very close to each other.

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2016, 01:48:49 pm »
in real-world gaming tests with a single-channel memory z8500 almost twice slower than z8750 with dual-channel memory.
Also, Intel's high-end chips tend to be miles ahead of their mid-end chips (which are closer to the lower end). While I don't have specific data because the -trail CPUs are foreign to me, it hits all the right notes.

They're not wrong about dual-channel memory providing a noticeable speed increase, but they are forgetting that the win will use a dual channel configuration - at least according to their KS campaign.

The CPU cores in the X7 are more or less identical to the X5, but run at a slightly higher speed.  The real improvement in the X7 series is the GPU.  Again, the cores are identical, but the X7 gets 16 EUs compared to 12 EUs in the X5.

There isn't an enormous difference between the X5 and X7.  You might see a 10% FPS bump on some games.  Then again, you might see a net decrease in FPS when using both screens, as the PGS has to drive two displays while the win only needs to drive one.  You won't be able to play anything even remotely recent at the native QHD resolution on the hardcore.  720p is pretty much the max that any cherry trail chip will game at.  Honestly, that panel is a mistake.  It's more power hungry, and between the small size of the screen and the limitations of the SoC, you'll never be able to take advantage of it.
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vcoleiro1

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2016, 01:55:14 pm »
That was going to be my next question, ie does the GPD WIN actually have single or is dual channel memory. 

So yeah, it seems they got that wrong also, Chip is right, the Indiegogo campaign does say dual channel

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2016, 03:12:47 pm »
hi Guys!

i did not realize on this thread.

for people who wants info in spanish, can check here:
http://manguiro.blogspot.com/2016/04/anuncio-pgs-portable-game-system-daulos.html

i gather some extra info:

Current version, there is no GUIDE button.
- The device is XInput enabled (only). the team will check on how to implement a way to swap between XInput and DInput
- L3 and R3 are on the bottom border, near to L1/L2 and R1/R2 buttons
- The second screen is a standard output, and windows will use as standard output. There is possible to use within a on screen keyboard/touchpad, but depends on the games you launch if this is supported or not (take note that many games will minimize or freeze when lost the focus on windows desktop environment)
- The second display correspond to the second output from the SoC. When you plug an external display through HDMI port, the second display will turn off, because video signal will pass through HDMI port.
- The device include a 3G/LTE module, then in Android you will be able to use as fully funcitional smartphone. In windows, there is no software dedicated to this tasks (yet), then the manufacturer will provide tools for basic support for calling and SMS. If you plan to use the device as smartphone, better choice is Android for this.
- Currently the team is working on few prototypes, but they are not in condition for present to public (basically, there are many components and wires, a very "frankenstein" version that is not a good way to introduce the device right now)
- Soon will get a functional prototype similar to the renders. When they get this, will announce on forums, webs and press.

I'll try to get more info about the device.

Deen0X

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2016, 03:58:24 pm »
about the Z8500-8550

as i understand, this SoC is dual-Channel memory
http://ark.intel.com/products/85474/Intel-Atom-x5-Z8500-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-2_24-GHz

Z8300 is single channel...

chip

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Re: PGS portable gaming system on windows 10!!!
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2016, 04:10:26 pm »
Yes, both the X5 and X7 series SoCs support dual channel memory, while the X3 series only supports single channel.  However, just because a chip supports dual channel, doesn't mean a device necessarily uses both channels.  It is entirely possible to create a device with an X5 or X7 chip that accesses all its memory across a single channel, though that would be pretty dumb.

Luckily, both GPD and PGS plan to use dual channel configurations in their devices.

 

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