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jmthomas87

Re: The Newest GPD Pocket with Z8750 CPU Windows 10 System
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2017, 11:01:37 pm »
A newer Celeron CPU would have been a better choice. Better performance, less heat, more USB/PCI ports available with the chipsets. The Atoms are 2+ year old tech. 

4Gb of RAM is fair, but 6Gb or 8GB would have been a better baseline. 

Is the 128Gb storage a EMMC or an actual SSD?  Hopefully a SSD, a m.2-2242 drive would be the right size to make this a good little business traveler.

I like the port layout as is, though another USB-C port on the other side would be useful.  4G-LTE would be nice, even just having an access port on the back to a half-sized PCI slot would be a plus, then a person could add whatever LTE card works in their country.  Would just need to be able to add the antenna by opening up the back or have an antenna pre-installed with a standard connector.

Like the screen and keyboard layout.  Just the price is a bit up there for what you are getting as far as hardware compared to even a one-year old 11.5" laptop.

so, im sorry but you have absolutely no fucking clue what you are talking about, 6w cpu does not fucking run cooler than a 3-4w cpu, in fact, it runs fucking hotter, not to mention that cheapest mobile celeron costs 3 times as this atom

Acutally, 1) you don't know what you are talking about and 2) You need your mouth washed out with soap.

The N3450 has a TDP of 6W, but a SDP of 4W.  If you don't know what those two parameters are, I suggest you learn or keep quiet.

As far as cost, yes, the Atom is $37 per unit while the N3450 is $107, but for what you are getting as far as improved battery life due to a lower base frequency, better graphics (HD 500 vs HD 405) higher graphics burst frequency (700 MHZ vs 600 Mhz), more PCI configurations available, so it is worth it.  It also can run a higher frequency memory bus.

Yes, it is a bigger chip physically, so will run about 15 degrees warmer, but that is a full bore all cores maxed out situation, but it should run a bit longer before thermal throttling engages if cooled properly due to the increased surface area for air to move across. 

Is it perfect?  Maybe, maybe not, but it will still beat the Atom in real world operations that this device is designed for, which is NOT FOR GAMING, but for a small, handy business/travel focused UMPC.
atom has an sdp of 2w btw, and just by mentioning sdp you show how clueless you are since that is intels bullshit number

I work with engineers every day.  I will take their word as far as design parameters and specs over some know-it-all on the internet. 

If the engineers at Intel are willing to publish that as a design spec, I would design work within that parameter.

GrimyHR

Re: The Newest GPD Pocket with Z8750 CPU Windows 10 System
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2017, 11:11:04 pm »
A newer Celeron CPU would have been a better choice. Better performance, less heat, more USB/PCI ports available with the chipsets. The Atoms are 2+ year old tech. 

4Gb of RAM is fair, but 6Gb or 8GB would have been a better baseline. 

Is the 128Gb storage a EMMC or an actual SSD?  Hopefully a SSD, a m.2-2242 drive would be the right size to make this a good little business traveler.

I like the port layout as is, though another USB-C port on the other side would be useful.  4G-LTE would be nice, even just having an access port on the back to a half-sized PCI slot would be a plus, then a person could add whatever LTE card works in their country.  Would just need to be able to add the antenna by opening up the back or have an antenna pre-installed with a standard connector.

Like the screen and keyboard layout.  Just the price is a bit up there for what you are getting as far as hardware compared to even a one-year old 11.5" laptop.

so, im sorry but you have absolutely no fucking clue what you are talking about, 6w cpu does not fucking run cooler than a 3-4w cpu, in fact, it runs fucking hotter, not to mention that cheapest mobile celeron costs 3 times as this atom

Acutally, 1) you don't know what you are talking about and 2) You need your mouth washed out with soap.

The N3450 has a TDP of 6W, but a SDP of 4W.  If you don't know what those two parameters are, I suggest you learn or keep quiet.

As far as cost, yes, the Atom is $37 per unit while the N3450 is $107, but for what you are getting as far as improved battery life due to a lower base frequency, better graphics (HD 500 vs HD 405) higher graphics burst frequency (700 MHZ vs 600 Mhz), more PCI configurations available, so it is worth it.  It also can run a higher frequency memory bus.

Yes, it is a bigger chip physically, so will run about 15 degrees warmer, but that is a full bore all cores maxed out situation, but it should run a bit longer before thermal throttling engages if cooled properly due to the increased surface area for air to move across. 

Is it perfect?  Maybe, maybe not, but it will still beat the Atom in real world operations that this device is designed for, which is NOT FOR GAMING, but for a small, handy business/travel focused UMPC.
atom has an sdp of 2w btw, and just by mentioning sdp you show how clueless you are since that is intels bullshit number

I work with engineers every day.  I will take their word as far as design parameters and specs over some know-it-all on the internet. 

If the engineers at Intel are willing to publish that as a design spec, I would design work within that parameter.
dude, intels low powered cpus are known for going well over their intel published tdp when on full load, and sdp is a number that means nothing, it is based on some intels arbitrary decided "average" usage

puting anything stronger than an atom in this device would mean that you would have to undervolt and underclock the cpu to get anything more than an hour out of it

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Re: The Newest GPD Pocket with Z8750 CPU Windows 10 System
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 06:11:56 am »
Where's @monstercameron when you need him?
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CampGareth

Re: The Newest GPD Pocket with Z8750 CPU Windows 10 System
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2017, 09:40:09 am »
A newer Celeron CPU would have been a better choice. Better performance, less heat, more USB/PCI ports available with the chipsets. The Atoms are 2+ year old tech. 

4Gb of RAM is fair, but 6Gb or 8GB would have been a better baseline. 

Is the 128Gb storage a EMMC or an actual SSD?  Hopefully a SSD, a m.2-2242 drive would be the right size to make this a good little business traveler.

I like the port layout as is, though another USB-C port on the other side would be useful.  4G-LTE would be nice, even just having an access port on the back to a half-sized PCI slot would be a plus, then a person could add whatever LTE card works in their country.  Would just need to be able to add the antenna by opening up the back or have an antenna pre-installed with a standard connector.

Like the screen and keyboard layout.  Just the price is a bit up there for what you are getting as far as hardware compared to even a one-year old 11.5" laptop.

so, im sorry but you have absolutely no fucking clue what you are talking about, 6w cpu does not fucking run cooler than a 3-4w cpu, in fact, it runs fucking hotter, not to mention that cheapest mobile celeron costs 3 times as this atom

Acutally, 1) you don't know what you are talking about and 2) You need your mouth washed out with soap.

The N3450 has a TDP of 6W, but a SDP of 4W.  If you don't know what those two parameters are, I suggest you learn or keep quiet.

As far as cost, yes, the Atom is $37 per unit while the N3450 is $107, but for what you are getting as far as improved battery life due to a lower base frequency, better graphics (HD 500 vs HD 405) higher graphics burst frequency (700 MHZ vs 600 Mhz), more PCI configurations available, so it is worth it.  It also can run a higher frequency memory bus.

Yes, it is a bigger chip physically, so will run about 15 degrees warmer, but that is a full bore all cores maxed out situation, but it should run a bit longer before thermal throttling engages if cooled properly due to the increased surface area for air to move across. 

Is it perfect?  Maybe, maybe not, but it will still beat the Atom in real world operations that this device is designed for, which is NOT FOR GAMING, but for a small, handy business/travel focused UMPC.
atom has an sdp of 2w btw, and just by mentioning sdp you show how clueless you are since that is intels bullshit number

I work with engineers every day.  I will take their word as far as design parameters and specs over some know-it-all on the internet. 

If the engineers at Intel are willing to publish that as a design spec, I would design work within that parameter.

How's about trusting their devices then? I'm sat here with a GPD Win watching the package draw with hwinfo64, running prime95 to stress the CPU.

CPU package power: 5.885W
IA (CPU) cores power: 2.359W
GT (GPU) cores power: 3.649W

Not sure why the GPU's spun up, but yaaay we're hitting their 6W TDP with a purely CPU based load. Sorry but the SDP numbers are rubbish, TDP is at least vaguely accurate for sustained loads.

On the topic of Intel being trustworthy I've learnt that they're not but usually in small ways that are verifiable yourself. Got a laptop with an Intel HD 4000? That GPU supports HDMI 1.4 so can drive a 4K display at 30Hz, so say the specs. Great! Now actually try it. Oh it doesn't work? That's because it doesn't actually support HDMI 1.4's clock speed, just all the frilly bits. It actually only has HDMI 1.2's clock speed so will only drive a 1080p display, any higher (2560x1440 @ 60hz say) and it can't push a signal fast enough. That sucked hard and I would have known to wait a generation if Intel were more forthcoming with that info.

jmthomas87

Re: The Newest GPD Pocket with Z8750 CPU Windows 10 System
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2017, 12:40:52 pm »
OK, fine guys, points made, you win.

I am out of here.

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speculatrix

Re: The Newest GPD Pocket with Z8750 CPU Windows 10 System
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2017, 01:21:12 pm »
One reason I would really like them to adopt an Apollo Lake CPU is because it will likely run linux much better with its Goldmont Core instead of Silvermont.

However, yes, the Apollo Lake SoCs are substantially more expensive than the well established X7 units being used in the GPD win.

You need to to the N4200 for similar performance if you trust cpubenchmark

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2506&cmp%5B%5D=2886&cmp%5B%5D=2907

http://ark.intel.com/compare/95596,95592,93362
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 01:22:46 pm by speculatrix »

 

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