Author Topic: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?  (Read 845 times)

mickael28 (OP)

Hi guys,

I've been watching quite a few youtube videos of people trying different games and yes, the GPD Win can run most games, however, I think quite a lot of them run quite slow (maybe at 30FPS) for what I could see, so I am thinking that it might be playing a game like in slow motion in a way?

I've got a similar problem with a racing game in my Android PPSSPP emulator and playing the game at 30FPS in the emulator, or at 60FPS in a real console... makes a huge difference, so huge, that I've stopped playing it in the emulator because basically it is unplayable. Yes, you can use it, but there's not sense of speed and everything happens just so slow...

Have you guys felt this problem in real when you're using the device? as in... is it playable (even though a lot of times is slow) because it's better than nothing, or is it really good when playing and you barely notice slow downs (as long as you put the settings low)?

DiegoSLTS

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Re: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2017, 01:55:11 am »
A PC game running on any PC should play at the same speed, regardless of the FPS. FPS means how many times the state of the game is rendered in a second, so lower FPS means you see less updates, not that the game plays in slowmotion. If the game renderes as soon as it can, you can get a high FPS like 90, but the game shouldn't play like fast forwarding. When it uses VSync, the game tries to render when the screen is being updated, so it runs at 60 FPS (for 60 Hz screens) or 30, or 20, or 15. If it can't render as often as the screen, it renders one out of two frames (or one out of three, and so on).

Now, emulators are another story. Emulators usually have a frameskipping option. You can enable or disable frameskipping, and when you enable you can set it to automatic or a fixed value. The emulator will always render all frames for the game, and if frameskipping is disabled, the game will run slower than intended (if it manages to simulate 30 frames in one second, the game will run at half speed). Sometimes frameskipping is not enough, so the game runs too slow even when enabling it.

So, no, a pc game playing at constant 30 FPS on the GPD Win should play the same as it running at 60 FPS on better hardware. Emulators might run slower, but you can probably improve it changing some options.

Alien Grey

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Re: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2017, 09:06:59 am »
It all depends on what you want to run and play with it. I bought it to play PSX, ScummVM, DOSBox and MAME.

I've got Sony PSP with Pro CFW 6.61 and it plays most PSX games just fine but some games just don't work and these games do run fine on the GPD Win. I don't care for PPSSPP on the GPD Win because I've got the real hardware.

MAME runs great on it. I wanted it to run the Atari arcade game S.T.U.N.Runner at full speed and that's possible with the GPD Win.

I'm playing Alien Virus with DOSBox and that game runs just fine on the GPD Win.

ScummVM is a different story. The latest stable and development builds don't run without issues on the GPD Win. Some games with ScummVM make Windows 10 on the GPD Win trigger the Program isn't responding. I wanted to play Return to Ringworld but it's impossible because of this issue. I don't know if it's just a problem With Windows 10 or if it's a problem with Windows 10 on the GPD Win with the latest stable and development builds. I'm currently using ScummVM 1.7.0 build on the GPD Win and that seems to be fixing this issue.
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Pintek

Re: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2017, 04:10:38 pm »
I've found emulation wise the win has been a pleasant little surprise what it can all handle.

Heck psp wise emulation the wipe out series it almost full speed with a single frame skip. Now granturismo portable will definitely NOT run pleasantly at all even with frame skip (60fps game)

I been enjoying the metroid series games in pal version 50hz in game cube and even when it comes to certain pc games its still a nice experience.

But if its a pc racing game honestly as long as the games fps isn't tied to the games clock it should still feel quick.
Heck up till this last week I was bottlenecking my gpu in my desktop so bad I was usually playing a locked 30fps no matter what game!

Maniac

Re: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2017, 09:47:07 am »
There are a few games (poor console ports) that slow down when the framerate drops (DoA5, for example), but for the most part most games play at the same speed. Also, many games run well... just don't expect AAA games from 2012+ to run super on this device.

nex86

Re: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2017, 06:08:07 pm »
you will always experience slowmotion speed with emulators when the framerate drops below the designated framerate.
25/50fps for PAL and 30/60fps for NTSC games.

Some PC games that have that issue as well, mostly console ports but there are not many

mickael28 (OP)

Re: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2017, 08:38:44 pm »
Thanks for the info guys. A few doubts:

A PC game running on any PC should play at the same speed, regardless of the FPS.
Thanks for the explanation, I didn't know that, good to know. One thing, but... is then any difference for the human eye to play a game at 60FPS or at 30FPS, ie, would we notice the difference? and what would we notice if anything?


Heck up till this last week I was bottlenecking my gpu in my desktop so bad I was usually playing a locked 30fps no matter what game!
Can you pls let me know what that means? ie, how did you find out you were bottlenecking it? and how did you fix it (in case I have the same problem)?

DiegoSLTS

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Re: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 11:21:37 pm »
Thanks for the explanation, I didn't know that, good to know. One thing, but... is then any difference for the human eye to play a game at 60FPS or at 30FPS, ie, would we notice the difference? and what would we notice if anything?
There are lots of youtube videos and gifs online comparing different framerates with different things... games,real life recordings and custom animations. There's also a lot of info online about human eye, screens refresh rate and technical details. The short answer: yes, some people detect the difference. Anyway, the biggest issue with framerate to me is not how low or high it is, but how constant it is. It's better to see something at a constant 20 fps than the same thing going from 15 to 25 randomly. Your brain will adapt to lower framerate quickly.

Maniac

Re: GPD Win owners: do you feel that games play slow in that device?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2017, 09:53:50 am »
Thanks for the info guys. A few doubts:

A PC game running on any PC should play at the same speed, regardless of the FPS.
Thanks for the explanation, I didn't know that, good to know. One thing, but... is then any difference for the human eye to play a game at 60FPS or at 30FPS, ie, would we notice the difference? and what would we notice if anything?


People can even see the difference between 60 and 120 FPS.

Heck up till this last week I was bottlenecking my gpu in my desktop so bad I was usually playing a locked 30fps no matter what game!
Can you pls let me know what that means? ie, how did you find out you were bottlenecking it? and how did you fix it (in case I have the same problem)?

It means his CPU was at 100% but his GPU was only being utilized at some lower amount, lets say 50%. The full power of the GPU couldn't be utilized because the CPU was too slow. The only way to fix it is to upgrade the CPU. He's talking about his desktop PC.

 

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