Author Topic: Dear GPD Team, Please talk to the community about GPDwin 2 so we can contribute.  (Read 4653 times)

AVahne

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Would be great if they can somehow figure out how to put in a better performing chip, but if they do end up using Apollo Lake's version of the Atom, hopefully they'll use the best version like how they used the best of the Cherry Trails for the Win. I wouldn't mind it being a bit thicker if that means they use clickable  sticks. It would probably help them to build a better cooling system and add a bigger battery as well.
Though, for now they need to focus on the Pocket and finish up the XD2.
But yeah, they really do need to include us in the process from day one. They've proven that they simply can't make the best choices in terms of hardware design on their own. We don't need another shitty keyboard GPD.
We also don't need you scrambling to shove in much requested features soooo late in development which ends with you releasing a device that somewhat feels like it's been slapped together last minute (I am loving my Win, especially since I've been lucky enough to get a unit that has been working so far, but it should be obvious to anyone  and not just us on the boards that it wasn't well planned out).

Willburn

To be honest, this thread seems a bit pointless to me.
GPD is never going to listen to user input because there is no commonly agreed on set of features that everyone wants to see in the unit. Some users want a bigger unit, some don't - some want the keyboard gone, a lot don't - some want to be able to turn the unit into a tablet by bending the screen back or whatever, some don't.

They sure as hell will never comb through all of the messages on here, Reddit and pyra forums just to come to the conclusion that everyone wants something else from the device.

It would be a lot more efficient if we could come up with a set of features which are "must have" for a majority of the users here and then transmit that to GPD in a simple message.

nmkd

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Core M is impossible.

It's expensive and will kill the battery life.


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nmkd

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Oh yes! Second GPD Win version!!!
Take all my money GPD!

For the love of god, this time around please have a centered keyboard and a good quality SD card reader which does not fall asleep every 30 seconds.

If possible a backlit keyboard would be amazing as well.

And 8 gigs or RAM is a must!

Phawx, maybe it would make sense for you to compile a wanted features list in the top post?
Why would you need 8GB of RAM?

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Saber

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Given everything quirky about the Win, I'd be alright with this general layout for Win2:



Note it's not to scale and that the sticks have been moved a little lower.

Willburn


Why would you need 8GB of RAM?

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Multitasking

Willburn

Given everything quirky about the Win, I'd be alright with this general layout for Win2:



Note it's not to scale and that the sticks have been moved a little lower.

Looks pretty good.
The red button in the top right would be the power button, correct?
One button I'm missing is the prntscreen/insert button.

Other than that it looks pretty much perfect.

AVahne

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Given everything quirky about the Win, I'd be alright with this general layout for Win2:



Note it's not to scale and that the sticks have been moved a little lower.

Hmm, since most people are right handed, wouldn't a better layout for the very top row be:
[Vol+] [Vol-] [Power]   MODE  [Guide] [Select] [Start]

I think putting power on the inside of the array would lead to less accidental presses and I think having Start on the right side would work better for many people's muscle memory.

Phawx (OP)

The Teclast X5 Pro uses a 7watt core M with a 5000mAh battery and gets 4 hours.

Apollo Lake N4200 is a shit upgrade from Atom 8700.  It's like 10-20% faster and quick sync.  I certainly wouldn't pay $350 all over again for such a marginal upgrade.

Again, Intel Kaby Lake Core M3-7Y30 is 7w.  It's also very configurable with Intel XTU.  The *only* problem with M3-7Y30 is that it's expensive, so GPDwin2 would be in the $500-600 range.

Going to Apollo Lake N4200 is so small of an upgrade that honestly the case redesign where one would hope they improve the heatsink and if they had working L3/R3 is going to be a bigger deal.

Hell put the SoC and heatsink behind the LCD and leave the gamepad portion to house a huge battery for the M3-7Y30.

If GPD already said N4200 it's probably already considered. 

leafar

The Teclast X5 Pro uses a 7watt core M with a 5000mAh battery and gets 4 hours.

Apollo Lake N4200 is a shit upgrade .

Again, Intel Kaby Lake Core M3-7Y30 is 7w.  It's also very configurable with Intel XTU.  The *only* problem with M3-7Y30 is that it's expensive.
So what, for the time its going to be a little less.

Hell put the SoC and heatsink behind the LCD and leave the gamepad portion to house a huge battery for the M3-7Y30.

Yeah i am wandering why they don't do that.

If GPD already said N4200 it's probably already considered.  no buy to me

Saber

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Given everything quirky about the Win, I'd be alright with this general layout for Win2:

http://i.imgur.com/HpS3jlK.png

Note it's not to scale and that the sticks have been moved a little lower.

Looks pretty good.
The red button in the top right would be the power button, correct?
One button I'm missing is the prntscreen/insert button.

Other than that it looks pretty much perfect.
Power button is as you surmised the red button. For a dedicated Print Screen/Insert key, Delete could be moved to Fn-Backspace. Pause/Break and Scroll Lock could also be applied under Fn somewhere too.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2017, 11:16:16 pm by Saber »

Saber

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Given everything quirky about the Win, I'd be alright with this general layout for Win2:

http://i.imgur.com/HpS3jlK.png

Note it's not to scale and that the sticks have been moved a little lower.

Hmm, since most people are right handed, wouldn't a better layout for the very top row be:
[Vol+] [Vol-] [Power]   MODE  [Guide] [Select] [Start]

I think putting power on the inside of the array would lead to less accidental presses and I think having Start on the right side would work better for many people's muscle memory.
I put Volume on the upper right because Fn is on the lower left. Makes it easier to adjust brightness if they're on the opposite side. A way around it would be to put brightness as Fn with Select and Start but then you lose the theme of gaming buttons on the upper left and hardware adjusters on the upper right. Another reason Start and Select are on the left is that they may alternatively become mouse button 1 and 2 in mouse mode. 

Gin2168

The Teclast X5 Pro uses a 7watt core M with a 5000mAh battery and gets 4 hours.

Apollo Lake N4200 is a shit upgrade from Atom 8700.  It's like 10-20% faster and quick sync.  I certainly wouldn't pay $350 all over again for such a marginal upgrade.

Again, Intel Kaby Lake Core M3-7Y30 is 7w.  It's also very configurable with Intel XTU.  The *only* problem with M3-7Y30 is that it's expensive, so GPDwin2 would be in the $500-600 range.

Going to Apollo Lake N4200 is so small of an upgrade that honestly the case redesign where one would hope they improve the heatsink and if they had working L3/R3 is going to be a bigger deal.

Hell put the SoC and heatsink behind the LCD and leave the gamepad portion to house a huge battery for the M3-7Y30.

If GPD already said N4200 it's probably already considered.

I agree with all of this. If I buy another GPD device at this point it needs to be a major upgrade in capabilities. A small upgrade such as the N4200 certainly won't have me considering it a priority and will make me wait for the "Win3." So CoreM or nothing (Edit: Or depending on Zen Benchmarks, maybe Zen). If they're worried about people buying it at $500-600 they can just do a kickstarter and have it funded for them all over again =\. But at the $500-600 range I'm going to need that CoreM, MicroSD (Stating what seems like the obvious due to the Pocket not having one), nice big battery and from there I would like to see more storage and ram.

I think most can agree on all of that, as well as a revised keyboard. From there it's just the Screen Resolution and size that seems to be polarizing everybody. I personally won't mind a bigger screen or resolution if that's what GPD offers. But, I'd prefer the same size screen at the same resolution, merely for battery life and performance. If it has to be a 1080p screen and bigger at the sacrifice of battery life, so be it.

« Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 04:11:42 am by Gin2168 »

baka-neko

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I've created a poll asking if you prefer performance (CoreM) or price (N4200) for the GPD Win2.

Please take the time to vote!
http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-windows-devices/gpd-win2-would-you-pay-more-for-a-corem/

monstercameron

my ideal win 2 is:
bar shape (not clamshell)
ipad mini 2 display
8GB ddr4 2133
m.2 ssd accessible 64GB installed
msata accessible for wifi/4g
2x sd uhs slots
3 usb c
large battery ~45WHr or more
it'll be a little heavy but it'll have a 3-ish hour battery at max load cTDP
active cooling
$399 price tag


id like this soc
http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/APU/AMD-A-Series-Processors/AMD-A6-Series-APU-for-Laptops/7th-Gen-A6-9210-APU-with-Radeon%E2%84%A2-R4-Graphics/199
 keep the cpu clocks at 2GHz and lower the gpu freq, with the right component mix that could draw ~15W