Author Topic: Dear GPD Team, Please talk to the community about GPDwin 2 so we can contribute.  (Read 5610 times)

vcoleiro1

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The ALPS sticks GPD use on the GPD WIN (and I think on the XD) are low profile sticks.  They don't have center click because of this.  To use center click sticks there are two options

1) They can use the ALPS center click sticks , but they are a much deeper part.  Therefore the WIN would need to be made deeper ie thicker, maybe 5-7mm thicker.   

2)  They can use a low profile clickable nub, like those planned for the Pyra.


Mind you, if they do make it thicker, it would also open the door for a bigger battery. Or perhaps even a case that included a battery door for battery quick change over.

mickael28

I didn't see the mention of support for Thunderbolt 3 speed on the USB-C port. We could connect a bunch of powerful devices to the little gadget.

Maniac

- 1366x768 or 1080p screen. Likely same size or up to an inch bigger with less bezel.
1080p is too high of a resolution, games won't run well, so it's pretty pointless. 960x540 is non-standard and would look poor.

Better battery = bigger size = more space. Same goes for the stereo speaker etc.

First question is, would you guys like the same formfactor as the current GPD Win or should it be the same size as the Pocket?

I think stereo speakers should be doable without changing the form factor. They couldn't do it in the first round because they'd have to re-engineer the whole device due to the last minute fan. The same form factor is preferred... a "portable" gaming system you can't easily fit into your pocket isn't portable. That's the problem with my nvidia Shield.

mickael28

1080p is too high of a resolution, games won't run well, so it's pretty pointless.

Not pointless at all, ie, some of us won't use the device just for gaming, in fact, some might buy it mainly to have a small device with such a resolution and Windows running (myself included). I've not bought it yet, because of the poor resolution, for non-gaming tasks and low RAM.

Faust

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1080p is too high of a resolution, games won't run well, so it's pretty pointless.

Not pointless at all, ie, some of us won't use the device just for gaming, in fact, some might buy it mainly to have a small device with such a resolution and Windows running (myself included). I've not bought it yet, because of the poor resolution, for non-gaming tasks and low RAM.
Then buy the Pocket.

I don't see why GPD should kill a gaming device with such useless spec, the processor is too weak.

The Win is made to play games and for the gamers, if you want a Umpc not for gaming, then buy the Pocket.

Don't try to change the product with features that no one wants, for which one you aren't the target, to make something that suits your own taste.
We want to get the best performances, nothing else.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2017, 03:03:57 pm by Faust »

MOFO

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Everything others mentioned and a bigger screen, you could easily add a bigger screen by reducing the borders around the screen without making it much bigger in size.
Stereo speakers is a must, good quality that are decently loud and clear.
Ability for more fan control and just better overall build quality.

mickael28

Then buy the Pocket.

I don't see why GPD should kill a gaming device with such useless spec, the processor is too weak.

The Win is made to play games and for the gamers, if you want a Umpc not for gaming, then buy the Pocket.

Don't try to change the product with features that no one wants, for which one you aren't the target, to make something that suits your own taste.
We want to get the best performances, nothing else.

Mr, the device is not JUST for gamers. It is mainly for gamers but one can use it for other purposes if they've got the right specs.

I don't want to buy 2 devices, one for general Windows tasks and another for gaming. So yeah, I'll have to see what is the best compromise, but that's why other companies create the same device with different configurations. If you don't want to have a Full HD screen, fine, don't buy it. But if they offer one, some people would buy that one.

shinkamui

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1080p is too high of a resolution, games won't run well, so it's pretty pointless.

Not pointless at all, ie, some of us won't use the device just for gaming, in fact, some might buy it mainly to have a small device with such a resolution and Windows running (myself included). I've not bought it yet, because of the poor resolution, for non-gaming tasks and low RAM.
Then buy the Pocket.

I don't see why GPD should kill a gaming device with such useless spec, the processor is too weak.

The Win is made to play games and for the gamers, if you want a Umpc not for gaming, then buy the Pocket.

Don't try to change the product with features that no one wants, for which one you aren't the target, to make something that suits your own taste.
We want to get the best performances, nothing else.

Not sure I agree.  It would make little sense for GPD to build a 2nd generation device with identical specs to the unit out today.  We have no idea what SoC will be chosen for the next generation device, but we should assume it will be more capable than the atom X7.  Someone tossed out the current Core M3, which is more than capable of running the same games we run on the win at 1080p with similar or better settings.  While I doubt an M3 would operate in this form factor, I think its reasonable to expect a jump in performance on par with that proc or better.  Use cases aside, GPD has always pushed the Win as a super portable laptop with gaming controls, in almost all of their marketing.  If you peruse the threads, there are LOTS of people who use the win for more than just gaming (why i dont know) but its their perogative to do so, and to advocate for their own needs.  I see no harm in a native 1080p display, since today most of us downsample the resolution to custom resolutions in the same aspect ratio to achieve better framerates.  I see no reason this practice would stop, especially when the overall benefits outweigh the negatives.  It seems contradictory to be a graphics whore (oh noes aliased edges in my downsample!) on the lowest of low end hardware ;p. 

Saber

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The ALPS sticks GPD use on the GPD WIN (and I think on the XD) are low profile sticks.  They don't have center click because of this.  To use center click sticks there are two options

1) They can use the ALPS center click sticks , but they are a much deeper part.  Therefore the WIN would need to be made deeper ie thicker, maybe 5-7mm thicker.   

2)  They can use a low profile clickable nub, like those planned for the Pyra.


Mind you, if they do make it thicker, it would also open the door for a bigger battery. Or perhaps even a case that included a battery door for battery quick change over.
I'd be okay with a slightly thicker device which as you said allows for a bigger battery and extra internal room to work with. A couple millimeters or so more than the Win1 should suffice without turning the Win2 into a brick shape.

skelton

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According to gpd, preliminary specs for gpd win 2 would be apollo lake 4200 and 6 inch screen. The inclusión of Core m3 is much more expensive and would need a bigger device to control Heat and a bigger battery. that's what they say, maybe there are changes in the future, who knows...
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Willburn

According to gpd, preliminary specs for gpd win 2 would be apollo lake 4200 and 6 inch screen. The inclusión of Core m3 is much more expensive and would need a bigger device to control Heat and a bigger battery. that's what they say, maybe there are changes in the future, who knows...

That's interesting.
They must be really confident about their cooling solution, the 4200 has triple the TDP as the 8750...

skelton

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According to gpd, preliminary specs for gpd win 2 would be apollo lake 4200 and 6 inch screen. The inclusión of Core m3 is much more expensive and would need a bigger device to control Heat and a bigger battery. that's what they say, maybe there are changes in the future, who knows...

That's interesting.
They must be really confident about their cooling solution, the 4200 has triple the TDP as the 8750...
Yep, I just thought the same. Certainly there aren't many choice with a moderate power consumption.
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baka-neko

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According to gpd, preliminary specs for gpd win 2 would be apollo lake 4200 and 6 inch screen. The inclusión of Core m3 is much more expensive and would need a bigger device to control Heat and a bigger battery. that's what they say, maybe there are changes in the future, who knows...

That would be disappointing. According to this website, the performance is really similar to the z8700, while a lastest gen Core M would be a huge boost. I'll probably keep my Win 1 if they go for this chip.

As said earlier, they really should make 2 editions for the Win 2: One premium using a Core M, and one with a same price as the current Win 1.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2017, 06:42:07 pm by baka-neko »

skelton

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According to gpd, preliminary specs for gpd win 2 would be apollo lake 4200 and 6 inch screen. The inclusión of Core m3 is much more expensive and would need a bigger device to control Heat and a bigger battery. that's what they say, maybe there are changes in the future, who knows...

That would be disappointing. According to this website, the performance is really similar to the x8700, while a last gen Core M would be a huge boost. I'll probably keep my Win 1 if they go for this chip.

As said earlier, they really should make 2 editions for the Win 2: One premium using a Core M, and one with a same price as the current Win.

they told me they couldn't use core M due to Power consumption being too high for a handheld (maybe a in a 12 inch tablet or laptop has more sense). But no idea, maybe they change their minds. They read the forum so all feedback is good to make them change it I guess. It's too soon to see what they will do. I agree with your idea of a normal and premium devices.
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Pintek

One could hope that somehow a ryzen/vega based apu will have a option with a low enough TDP for a mobile device like the win but in all honesty the 720p screen I feel is plenty.

Move the L3/R3 start select buttons to be actually close to the sticks

rework the cooling to utilize a blower style fan as blowers generally have a better static pressure for instances where airflow is heavily restricted.

full usb C to spec and usb 3.0

samsung finfet based emmc storage

metal hinge system

thats all I could think of that make the win a better bang for the form factor. now price wise i'm sure it be way more though maybe not if a lower end AMD ryzen chip is a hell of a lot cheaper to use over a intel.

 

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