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Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2016, 11:58:31 am »
I won't buy it if it's z8550, not only is the GPU much weaker then even what is used in rk3288 let alone 3399, but also a TON of android games/apps are not compiled for x86! That would be trash ...

which games are not compatibles? (i'm curious)

It varies, depending on how GPD does it. Intel has a library for running Android ARM apps on Intel x86 chips. Intel did an astounding job of this and most ARM code runs at native speed on x86. Because of this, if it's used in x86 devices, compatibility is very high, but not quite perfect as there are still issues with it. Overall, having x86 is more than worth it.

yes, i know this, but on every post about android running on x86 there are some guys that mention this, but i really donīt know which games really canīt run on x86
maybe there are some, but i'm sure the most popular games and apps currently are running without problems on x86 android versions, then i donīt get the point on complain about x86 soc usage. i think, better is asking for these rare cases of apps that cannot run on x86 device, to their programmers to fix them.

really, i canīt see the problem. for now, i can play any game i want to play on x86 versions without issues, and for this reason i'm asking about these games that "cannot run" on x86 platform.

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2016, 03:01:51 am »
Any possibility of GPD XD2 having tegra k1/X1 SOC or it is not possible as JXD will launch its handheld with NVIDA SOC?

cybermat

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2016, 12:32:23 pm »
RK3399 would be a nice improvement and let me say Android is good for some emulators but for Mame is a nightmare.
RK3399 + WIN is the way (imho)







Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2016, 01:30:58 pm »
RK3399 + WIN is the way (imho)

this cannot be done...

device must be ARM (RK3399) or intel (for windows)

cybermat

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2016, 10:35:31 am »
I heard about an agreement with Microsoft ....it was not concluded ?

Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2016, 11:24:04 am »
ein?

what do you mean?

this is not about agreements or not. simply is different architecture. Windows (standard version, not phone/mobile) CANNOT run on ARM devices.

you may confuse with Continuum, that  (as i readed) will include mobile versions to become a "standard" version, but this mean there are need of translator ARM-x86, but this is away to be useful for gaming, but this is another story.

shinkamui

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2016, 04:19:38 pm »
I think the bigger issue is not whether windows 10's common core will run on arm (it does), but more the complete lack of software compiled for arm.  The universal app ecosystem would be the only saving grace, but, there isn't a single emulator for windows 10 built as a universal app that im aware of.  and the game list on the windows 10 store that are universal is pretty near non existant.  Unless you want to buy a gaming handheld with physical controls to play candy crush style mobile titles, this would be a terrible investment.  The only reason to run windows here is to run x86 binaries, so intel/amd+win or arm+android are your only realistic options for a gaming device like this.   While i would love to see a linux handheld, if GPD handles the uefi properly on the GPD win, it will be optional there (android/windows/linux handheld options?  IM IN!)
« Last Edit: March 11, 2016, 04:22:12 pm by shinkamui »

cybermat

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2016, 04:29:29 pm »
ein?

what do you mean?

this is not about agreements or not. simply is different architecture. Windows (standard version, not phone/mobile) CANNOT run on ARM devices.

you may confuse with Continuum, that  (as i readed) will include mobile versions to become a "standard" version, but this mean there are need of translator ARM-x86, but this is away to be useful for gaming, but this is another story.

Thanks for clarification. So at today...X86 is the big deal .


LordDavon

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2016, 05:11:15 pm »
You may be thinking about Windows RT, which is Windows for ARM.  I don't think Microsoft is supporting it any longer, since it was a closed system, didn't sell well, and Intel Atom processors are coming into their own, making it no longer needed.

D1PTAR

Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2016, 07:43:28 pm »
If the XD2 doesn't run dual boot I guess I'd just go for the GPD Win instead. The bigger screen and extra stick look great however. It'd be a bit of shame because I love this design but couldn't really justify buying when I already have an XD1 if it's android only. It would be nice to know for certain before the Indiegogo campaign ends.

vcoleiro1 (OP)

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2016, 09:41:32 pm »
I think I saw that their current thinking is for the XD2 to be Android only.

When you think about it, if both the WIN and XD2 were dual boot, then why would you have two products, they would eventually be one product.  At this stage I think they want to keep them separate.  They did write a thread(on the chinese forum) about the XD and WIN being separate products

Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2016, 10:22:40 pm »
well, i think is a very good idea on releasing two products that share hardware.

i mean, my bet was that GPD-XD2 was the same hardware than GPD-WIN, but with other features such 6" screen, 360š screen rotation and NO keyboard.
GPD-WIN will offer a keyboard that become as standard UMPC (micro-notebook)

if both of them share the same hardware, then GPD can release 3 flavors of operating systems that can be flashed on both devices:
Windows pure firmware
Android pure firmware
DualOS (Android & Windows)

this way, users can choice which device prefer depends on their needs, and which operating system want to install on it.

for GPD, this is a very easy way to update software. If they want to release a firmware with Android 6.0, users can install on any of the devices (Win or XD2).

for me, this is the best way to improve their current GPD-XD device

now,GPD will keep using ARM on their GPD-XD2. ok, nice, but what you get with this improved hardware? (assuming is the RK3399)
Better preformance, ok.
Better GPU, ok.

is there any software (except the NVidia specific apps) that you cannot run on RK3288 (GPD-XD as example)?
is there any software that RK3288 power is not enough, but RK3399 can run now?

I really donīt see a real improvement on using RK3399 on the new device. The design is a good improvement, ok, but the power will be wasted really.

the new SoC is an octacore? great!, but for emulation, most of emulators only uses 2 cores... (and there are some of them that are mono-core)
Donīt misundestand to me. Of course, everyone want better devices, better speed, etc. but currently android gaming evolution is stopped from a while, and there is no new releases that requires a better machine for running.

For all these reasons, i think a x86 SoC such the X8550 of GPD-Win is a very good implementation, because you get the same and enough power for running almost any android game or program, and you get the possibility to run another OS such Windows, or Linux Distro, etc. something that RK3399 cannot offer (almost for now)

eragon2890

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2016, 10:27:05 pm »
well, i think is a very good idea on releasing two products that share hardware.

i mean, my bet was that GPD-XD2 was the same hardware than GPD-WIN, but with other features such 6" screen, 360š screen rotation and NO keyboard.
GPD-WIN will offer a keyboard that become as standard UMPC (micro-notebook)

if both of them share the same hardware, then GPD can release 3 flavors of operating systems that can be flashed on both devices:
Windows pure firmware
Android pure firmware
DualOS (Android & Windows)

this way, users can choice which device prefer depends on their needs, and which operating system want to install on it.

for GPD, this is a very easy way to update software. If they want to release a firmware with Android 6.0, users can install on any of the devices (Win or XD2).

for me, this is the best way to improve their current GPD-XD device

now,GPD will keep using ARM on their GPD-XD2. ok, nice, but what you get with this improved hardware? (assuming is the RK3399)
Better preformance, ok.
Better GPU, ok.

is there any software (except the NVidia specific apps) that you cannot run on RK3288 (GPD-XD as example)?
is there any software that RK3288 power is not enough, but RK3399 can run now?

I really donīt see a real improvement on using RK3399 on the new device. The design is a good improvement, ok, but the power will be wasted really.

the new SoC is an octacore? great!, but for emulation, most of emulators only uses 2 cores... (and there are some of them that are mono-core)
Donīt misundestand to me. Of course, everyone want better devices, better speed, etc. but currently android gaming evolution is stopped from a while, and there is no new releases that requires a better machine for running.

For all these reasons, i think a x86 SoC such the X8550 of GPD-Win is a very good implementation, because you get the same and enough power for running almost any android game or program, and you get the possibility to run another OS such Windows, or Linux Distro, etc. something that RK3399 cannot offer (almost for now)

Better GPU is important, and epsxe in high res can use 4 cores (and will need that for speed) so 8 faster cores (4 for emu, 4 to do system tasks) would probably be a huge  improvement for that. And not counting that some (like ppsspp) have options to run certain parts (like io or what have you) on a separate thread...

Deen0X

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2016, 10:42:07 pm »
ok, understand your point.
my point of view is some more... i donīt know. simple.
i know that emulators may need more power for adding filters, etc. PSX you mention need more power and cores for Hi-Res.
ok.
but, this really is something that make to you to buy another new device, only for better look of the games that you can play currently on other devices?

i mean, for some (or many?) users, this may be enough for go to buy this new device with better hardware, but for most of users, that only want to wimply play, i think they really donīt care about these things.
if people can play PSX in normal mode (without enhanced graphics, etc) they will play in any case. I think advanced users that requires better hardware for running their games with better resolution, better filters, etc, are not so much people (or almost, i think this)

This is a simple iteration of harware of their product. is not a real step for running other kind of sofware that the previous version can do.
Another thing may be if this hardware can run Dolphin (Wii and Gamecube). this may be a good implementation of the hardware and may be a good reason for buying the new device, but as i know, Dolphin will not run on RK3399 (almost, for now)... but you can play Gamecube if you run Windows (using cherrytrail).
I mean, using cherrytrail there is a big and notorious difference than only updating from RK3288 to RK3399...

eragon2890

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Re: GPD XD2
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2016, 10:44:34 pm »
ok, understand your point.
my point of view is some more... i donīt know. simple.
i know that emulators may need more power for adding filters, etc. PSX you mention need more power and cores for Hi-Res.
ok.
but, this really is something that make to you to buy another new device, only for better look of the games that you can play currently on other devices?

i mean, for some (or many?) users, this may be enough for go to buy this new device with better hardware, but for most of users, that only want to wimply play, i think they really donīt care about these things.
if people can play PSX in normal mode (without enhanced graphics, etc) they will play in any case. I think advanced users that requires better hardware for running their games with better resolution, better filters, etc, are not so much people (or almost, i think this)

This is a simple iteration of harware of their product. is not a real step for running other kind of sofware that the previous version can do.
Another thing may be if this hardware can run Dolphin (Wii and Gamecube). this may be a good implementation of the hardware and may be a good reason for buying the new device, but as i know, Dolphin will not run on RK3399 (almost, for now)... but you can play Gamecube if you run Windows (using cherrytrail).
I mean, using cherrytrail there is a big and notorious difference than only updating from RK3288 to RK3399...

No no I agree, I just meant to say that for this new device (it's still niche product, most people don't know these exist, so a lot of potential buyers are still out there) it's not "overkill" of them to go wtih a 3399 instead of a 3288. Not that people who have an xd might buy this for that, but it's not like it's overkill ie so  powerfull that it's not sensible anymore...

I mean most buyers would probably be people who have never heard of gpd before given how niche they are...

 

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