Author Topic: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!  (Read 59441 times)

ddragoonss

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #150 on: April 23, 2010, 05:01:20 pm »
So they use the same server to host there website and this proves what they are located in the same area?

Just because McDonalds and Wedy's are on the same block and same town and sell similar products does not make them linked or the same owner.

Gemei sells some of it's technology out all the time OEM or otherwise so once again just because they are on the same server does not make them associated or the same company.


http://dingoo888.cn/about.asp?id=6
Code: [Select]
Address 1: Futian District, Shenzhen Tian An Cyber Times Tower A, Block 1912 Zip: 518041
Tel: 0755 - 83890235 24-hour Sales Hotline: 15817488332 (Zheng Jingli)
Fax: 0755 - 83890236

Address 2: Dongcheng District, Dongguan City, Niushan start a new industrial zone of tin side of the U.S. Digital Technology Co., Ltd. Song
Zip Code: 523128
Tel :0769-22691108

http://www.gemeitech.com/
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Address: Dongcheng District, Dongguan City, the new tin side Niushan Industrial Zone, Dongguan City, Cape Venture U.S. Digital Technology Co., Ltd. Zip: 523128 Tel :0769-22691108



Same server, same hardware, same embedded-OS, same address, same phone number and you really think they aren't related?



PS: why "HK" serial-number for a shenzen hosted company? this don't make sense, Guangdong is near hong-Kong, but it's not Hong-Kong.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2010, 05:12:09 pm by ddragoonss »

kswildside

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #151 on: April 23, 2010, 05:38:19 pm »
Yes I agree Shenzen Dingoo Digital and Gemei are in Gungdong district in Shenzen city and they seem to be in the same technology centers.

Every company leases space in those centers for there offices and more then likely they use the same server for there websites.

None of this is unsual in the least in china or most other countries in the tech field there are technology centers all over china with sometimes twenty companies in the same buildings using the same web servers supplied by the landlord of the tech center. It's also no far fetched that they use the same embedded OS with differences because they were all approached by the same vendors of the OS.

The HK model just didn't fall out of the sky this week or last week the Dingoo with HK in the serial number has been around since Late September 2009 and in March 2010 a guy claiming to be the real Dingoo comes out of the wood work claiming that the HK is fake 7 months after the fact?

As explained the man is a former associate of Shenzen Dingoo Digital and worked with them to distance themselves from his rumors and lies and such they moved and changed domain name and company name to Dingoo Technology and the domain to Dingoo.HK. What is so far fetched to believe about any of the statements?

Also why would Gemei a huge manufacturer and innovator in PMP all of a sudden out of the blue ohhh lets make a new Company name Shenzen Dingoo Digital and sell one of PMP's through that name...

 It would be a waste of time and money as they already have a huge name in the industry. Below is more whois information on both companies. Lets just let the rest of the community make up there minds...

Information taken from: http://www.whois.net/whois/dingoo888.cn

Original:
WHOIS information for dingoo888.cn :
[Querying whois.cnnic.net.cn]
[whois.cnnic.net.cn]
Domain Name: dingoo888.cn
ROID: 20091013s10001s61778085-cn
Domain Status: ok
Registrant Organization: 李给武
Registrant Name: 张友军
Administrative Email: yjzhang@chinachip.cn
Sponsoring Registrar: 北京万网志成科技有限公司
Name Server:dns21.hichina.com
Name Server:dns22.hichina.com
Registration Date: 2009-10-13 21:30
Expiration Date: 2010-10-13 21:30

Translated:
WHOIS information for dingoo888.cn :
[Querying whois.cnnic.net.cn]
[whois.cnnic.net.cn]
Domain Name: dingoo888.cn
ROID: 20091013s10001s61778085-cn
Domain Status: ok
Registrant Organization: To Wu Li
Registrant Name: Jun Zhang
Administrative Email: yjzhang@chinachip.cn
Sponsoring Registrar: Beijing million net Zhicheng Technology Co., Ltd.
Name Server:dns21.hichina.com
Name Server:dns22.hichina.com
Registration Date: 2009-10-13 21:30
Expiration Date: 2010-10-13 21:30



This information was taken from:

http://whois.domaintools.com/gemeitech.com

Registrant: Digital Tech. Ltd Co., Gemei
DongGuang
DongGuang, Guangdong 523128
CN

Domain Name: GEMEITECH.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: admin@gemeitech.com

Digital Tech. Ltd Co., Gemei 
DongGuang
DongGuang, Guangdong 523128
CN
0769-22691108 fax: 0769-22691108

Record expires on 07-Jul-2014.
Record created on 07-Jul-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.CNOLNIC.COM 218.5.79.33
NS2.CNOLNIC.COM 59.151.23.102


« Last Edit: April 23, 2010, 07:07:40 pm by dingoo-digital-usa »

bobby

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #152 on: April 24, 2010, 02:46:35 pm »
OK here is what I believe happened. All speculations of course but to me it makes sense.

I believe dingoo.hk's are fake. I mean why would you set up a new company because of an ex-employee ? I think the dingoo.hk guys are ex-employees of Shenzhen Dingoo Digital Product Co., Ltd.(dingoo888.cn). They thought hey we can produce our own dingoo, all the know-how is here so lets just steal it and start our own company. Then they stole some blueprints and dingoo.hk was born. I mean come on it's china thats happens all the fucking time, that's why it is so hard to do business in china. Of course they are telling you dingoo-digital-usa that they are genuine because they want to sell you their product. I bet they also offer a better deal.

check out dingoo.hk's product page:

- They produce fake GBA SP's...... makes me wonder if the dingoos are fake too????
- At the specifications for the dingoo they only mention GBA and 3D


Like ddragoonss I also think that dingoo888.cn and gemei are somehow connected or maybe were. Before the dingoo came out I remember it was announced as gemei A320. The dingoo is the X760+ in a new shell with more buttons right ? Also gemei announced the A330 a while ago which doesn't look anything like the A330 dingoo.hk announced. (dingoo.hk's A330 looks like a psp knockoff)

Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #153 on: April 24, 2010, 03:09:26 pm »
Post removed by moderator.


Do not harass other members.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2010, 05:16:27 pm by omgmog »

10basetom

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #154 on: April 24, 2010, 03:52:58 pm »
LOL "Dingoo Identity" seems to be a never-ending classic homebrew game. It should be ported to the Dingoo ;).

darfgarf

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #155 on: April 24, 2010, 05:28:49 pm »
LOL "Dingoo Identity" seems to be a never-ending classic homebrew game. It should be ported to the Dingoo ;).

like a detective game, go round finidng out the clues and following the suspects, stalking all the members of the forum with spy robots and finally discovering the shocking truth: dingoo-digital don't exist, and are actually team rocket  :o

Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #156 on: April 24, 2010, 05:30:46 pm »
Sorry about the "idiot" thing. It's just that talk rubs me the wrong way. And it's kind of insulting to D-D-USA, don't you think? Unless he's just joking around. In which case, sorry for being super serious. I'll be more constructive with my posts.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2010, 05:40:09 pm by Jesse »

kswildside

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #157 on: April 24, 2010, 08:04:03 pm »
1. Whats so hard to believe a company splits up all the time people go there merry way and usually thats the end of it all. But ask yourself one big question if they are fake and all the crap and misinformation that has been spread all of a sudden since March is true why the heck did it all of a sudden surface.

I mean come on it's been seven months since the HK appeared if it was fake and this guy really knew this all this why wait so long to bring it all up. If all this is true he should have came forward with all this way back in October when the first HK serial numbered A320 appeared.

2. There is alot more to the story but being at liberty to discuss it with the community is something I can't and won't do. I pay the same price I have always paid for the A320 the more I buy the lower the price becomes to a point but that is like an reseller buying from the supplier that is the case.

3. The HK is not a fake model as speculated at all I deal with all the people I have dealt with at Dingoo Tech that I dealt with when it was Shenzen Dingoo Digital. It's not just one or two people who decided to leave the company and start a new company it was almost 99.9% of Shenzen Dingoo Digital that became Dingoo Tech.

I'm not an idiot nor am I a fool like most of you have tried to label me. I have connections and friends all over and in China. Also why is Shoptemp and Dingoo.CO.UK and Deal Extreme and all the others buying there goods from Dingoo Tech?

If any of this had a ring of truth to it I as a business owner would be busting my butt to contact all my resellers to let them know hey your ordering from the wrong people and explain what happen and make sure I wasn't loosing my resellers.

I wouldn't wait 7 months later and make a small little post calling the items fake and saying hey I'm the real guy.... If he really was the owner and really had all the information he would have contacted all of his authorized resellers and explained himself that never happened and still has not happened.

4. If I'm not in contact with the real people please explain how I have come up with the latest firmwares and documents we have needed for the A320 and Dingux along with taking time to figure out a patch for the HK issue. I guess they and I just pulled it out of our asses or a friggin magical hat.

5. The whole GBA thing the A360 whats so far fetched about that device it has been out since October 2009 and Deal Extreme carries the darn thing I choose not too because it was limited to what it could do and not truly a PMP/Gaming console. So because they make a cheaper one kind of gaming console that equals they are fake come on?

6. Gemei is a huge company and innovator in the PMP field in China they do research and development and release some of their own products to the public as Gemei. Others they do OEM or sell the rights to another company out right.

It's just like NEC actually makes the Dell Monitors but doesn't label them NEC they label them as a Dell product. In other cases they sell completely out and the person buying the tech builds it themselves.

The building Gemei is in is about a half a city block from the office building Shenzen Dingoo Digital is in they are in the same Tech Ceneter with about maybe 150 other tech businesses all doing something different.

You are all thinking in either European or American or another countries mind set what might be black and white in our perspective countries is not Black and White in China. There are Tech centers all over China with about 50 to 150 businesses in each tech center.

7. Do I think the A320 is based in part or whole on a Gemei design and just tweaked and modified by Dingoo Digital and then Dingoo Tech yes I do. But I have no belief that Shenzen Dingoo and Digital and Gemei are one in the same hell no if that was turthfully the case they would have never let the split happen and would have come forward alot soonier then 7 months after the fact.

Once again I leave it all up to you with the facts as I know them I have dealt with this group of people for over a year now and I would think I would know more then the average person being a reseller.

kswildside

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #158 on: April 24, 2010, 08:10:18 pm »
OK here is what I believe happened. All speculations of course but to me it makes sense.

I believe dingoo.hk's are fake. I mean why would you set up a new company because of an ex-employee ? I think the dingoo.hk guys are ex-employees of Shenzhen Dingoo Digital Product Co., Ltd.(dingoo888.cn). They thought hey we can produce our own dingoo, all the know-how is here so lets just steal it and start our own company. Then they stole some blueprints and dingoo.hk was born. I mean come on it's china thats happens all the fucking time, that's why it is so hard to do business in china. Of course they are telling you dingoo-digital-usa that they are genuine because they want to sell you their product. I bet they also offer a better deal.


Also if they stole the blue prints why do they also have the source code to the os and are they still able to change the firmware.

If they are fake why spend the time to come up with the fix for the Y & B buttons as that firmware came well after the split.

Why would you take time to come up with fixes and answer questions etc. Also like I said before how come nobody from Shenzen Dingoo Digital  in the last 7 months never went barn busting mad and said anything or tried to get their resellers back they would have lost a hell of a lot of money in the last 7 months. As for me money talks and bullshit walks....

None of the story Shenzen Dingoo Digital  told makes sense I think some of the HK serialed numbers that came out had flaws and imperfections becasue there are several people that have stated they have HK serialed models with no issues at all with native or community based apps/games/emus. That being said if they are fake why do some many work with no issue at all and why do non hk models work with no issue at all?
« Last Edit: April 24, 2010, 08:16:33 pm by dingoo-digital-usa »

bobby

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #159 on: April 24, 2010, 09:55:11 pm »
I already have my original dingoo from back then when it came out. At the end of the day it doesn't matter who produces your dingoo as long as it does everything you expect it to do. So yeah as a consumer I wouldn't mind getting an illegitimately produced one as long as it is same quality. In terms of quality, I heard the fake GBA actually runs some GBA games better than the original nintendo gba. Display is also supposed to be way better. So yeah "fake" dingoos are not really fake dingoos but unlicensed clones.

But those are just my ethical standards. All I wanted to point out is that there is something fishy about dingoo.hk.  Producing fake GBA SPs is illegal and definitely an intellectual property infringement. And yes you are right it does happen that a company splits up due to a merger/acquisition or a corporate spin-off.  That is not what happened here from what I see, people have decided to leave the company and start their own company. That is perfectly legal but you can't produce the exact same thing under the same name because that is in most cases a violation of intellectual property too. Unfortunately that is what happens all the time in the PRC. That's why I would never produce my new innovative patented product in china. Because it is just a matter of time until some employees at the production plant figure out how everything works and then they set up their own company and do the exact same thing. I won't be able to do anything about it because lets face it you cant really enforce your intellectual property rights in the PRC. Around 20% of all the consumer products on the Chinese market are fake. Not just foreign stuff is being faked it also domestic products it is basically everything that sells.

check this out:

http://www.dingoo-digital.com/forums/i-need-help/got-a-wierd-2gb-dingoo-and-i-bricked-it-unauthorized

Looks like this guy unfortunately got a fake one that doesn't perform too well. Let's look at what he says
"I got my new Dingoo A320, from focalprice.com (listed as "dingguo" XD)."

Whois of dingoo.hk reveals...

Organization name(English):   DING GUO DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.
Surprise surprise!!!

On their website they say they are Dingoo Digital Product Co., Ltd. though.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2010, 12:35:10 am by bobby »

kswildside

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #160 on: April 25, 2010, 02:35:22 am »
Why is the A360 fishy and you speak of legalities about a machine that does emulation of  just the GBA? I mean the A320 does a hell of alot more then just emulate one system?

My point from jump street is if they are the true Dingoo  that being Shenzen Dingoo Digital why would you lay low for 7 months let another company take your glory and you customers from you and then appear and say ohhhh the HK serial numbered Dingoo A320 is fake.

If anything sounds fishy or weird I would say not saying anything for seven months to the resellers or customers is fishy. So with that said my explaination makes alot more sense and warrants alot more merit.

The spelling in chinese that translates dingoo = ding guo take a look at dingoo888.cn direct marketing page translated it says ding guo.

Once the page comes up click on the direct marketing link it will take you to the website they are selling there dingoo on dingoo888.cn that is

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.dingoo888.cn/news.asp%3Fid%3D22&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.dingoo888.cn%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjinRWcC30RtkSeocgkU888-kYNIA
« Last Edit: April 25, 2010, 02:57:08 am by dingoo-digital-usa »

kswildside

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Re: The different type of Dingoos - Trying to clear up the confusion!
« Reply #161 on: April 25, 2010, 03:41:36 am »
My final thought on the matter:

Yes Mr. Zheng has possesion of the Shenzen Dingoo Digital Office in Gungdong Shenzen City China and yes he has control over the website dingoo888.cn

But we resellers all buy and have bought our stock from the same people and same group since day one when they were with Shenzen Dingoo Digital and now that they have started the new Company after the split Dingoo Tech.

All Mr. Zheng intended to do was spread panic and make everyone freak out about the HK which we know is not fake because if it was why didn't he make a fuss about it 7 months ago when they first appeared.

Why wait seven months to all of a sudden revamp your website you address and everything and all of a sudden start spreading rumors about a fake dingoo. When if that was the case you should have been doing it from day one to protect your company and the money you make from it.

Two as I stated above why would you let someone make gobs and gobs of money for 7 months and take all your resellers and customers away from you?

Welp final thought ended and I will leave the rest of you to have your thoughts and views on the matter as you may as I have stated my share of truthful facts and now leave it up to you to make a judgment on your on.


 

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